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Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #175 – 2006-10-22 20:16:49

New update:

EAC v.09 beta 4 (using that because it's whats recommended by ubernet.org, among other reasons)

EAC vs dBpowerAMP with a significantly damaged CD (comparing two different drives to illustrate what I believe indicates a need to further refine, tweak, optimize the error correction algorithm/mechanisms with dBpowerAMP.

This info is an extension to my previous post above this one.

-usefua is used here by the way, that is why the drive cache is disabled in EAC, C2 is disabled because this version of EAC does not recognize the 716A as having C2.

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EAC extraction logfile from 22. October 2006, 11:05 for CD
Bass Quake / Bass After Shock

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-716A   Adapter: 2  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : No
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Installed external ASPI interface


Track  1
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass Quake.wav

   Peak level 84.4 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 78AC349D
   Copy CRC 78AC349D
   Copy OK

Track  2
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Quad's Up.wav

   Peak level 88.5 %
   Track quality 99.9 %
   Test CRC DAFD681B
   Copy CRC DAFD681B
   Copy OK

Track  3
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\30 Below.wav

   Peak level 85.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 83207619
   Copy CRC 83207619
   Copy OK

Track  4
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass 2 Bass.wav

   Peak level 95.9 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 4C7EE209
   Copy CRC 4C7EE209
   Copy OK

Track  5
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass Supply.wav

   Peak level 80.6 %
   Track quality 99.9 %
   Test CRC C10F3211
   Copy CRC C10F3211
   Copy OK

Track  6
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Richter Scales.wav

   Peak level 87.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 65630459
   Copy CRC 65630459
   Copy OK

Track  7
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Boom Boom Boom.wav

   Peak level 68.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC A99E7D0B
   Copy CRC A99E7D0B
   Copy OK

Track  8
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Underground Bass.wav

   Peak level 77.0 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 37285062
   Copy CRC 37285062
   Copy OK

Track  9
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Fool 4 Da Bass.wav

   Peak level 72.7 %
   Track quality 99.8 %
[b]Test CRC 00322FB1
   Copy CRC 39878FCE[/b]
   Copy OK

Track 10
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Sub Sonix.wav

   Peak level 71.5 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC A949A424
   Copy CRC A949A424
   Copy OK

Track 11
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Liquid Bass.wav

   Peak level 72.7 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 8DC2D683
   Copy CRC 8DC2D683
   Copy OK

Track 12
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Tremors.wav

   Peak level 67.9 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 846E1A57
   Copy CRC 846E1A57
   Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

If you look closely and notice, all the CRC's match exactly as extracted from EAC with the internal Plextor drive as they do with the LITE-ON drive with dBpowerAMP, EXCEPT FOR ONE --the most heavily damaged track --track 9. Note these differences:

Track 9
Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Fool 4 Da Bass.wav

Peak level 72.7 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Test CRC 00322FB1
Copy CRC 39878FCE

Notice even here EAC FAILS to produce a copy CRC that MATCHES the TEST CRC

Now track 9 from the LITE-ON with dBpowerAMP:

Track 9: Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:12. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 00322FB1

Copy OK

Notice something VERY interesting here, dBpowerAMP with the Lite-On drive produced the exact same CRC as the TEST CRC of the same track with the Plextor extracted with EAC (the full settings are indicated in the previous post for each drive).

Upon comparing the WAV files within EAC here are the results:

Lite-On extraction of track 9 with dBpowerAMP R12 A7 with c2 and Plextools (PX-716) extraction of the same damaged disc
(using level 5 error correction)

ALL SAMPLES ARE THE SAME, NO DIFFERENCE
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EAC Extraction vs. PX-716 Plextools Extraction Track 9
error type Position (repeated again on right side in EAC)
different samples 0:00:37.816 - 0:00:37.823

EAC Extraction vs. Lite-On extraction (dBpowerAMP R12 A7 C2) Track 9
error type Position (repeated again on right side in EAC)
different samples 0:00:37.816 - 0:00:37.823

[This leads me to believe that dBpowerAMP with the Lite-On drive with C2 is working perfectly, as it matches every file (with comparing wavs) with PX-716 extracted with Plextools. Also, this is reinforced by the fact that the Lite-On dBpowerAMP extraction, as well as the Plextools PX-716 extraction, both DIFFER AND SHOW THE EXACT SAME ERROR IN SAMPLES POSITION RELATIVE TO THE EAC EXTRACTION.

Note again: all other CRC's of the tracks of this purposely damaged disc match between programs, and the Plextools extraction wav's all show no differences in samples whatsoever with the dBpowerAMP extraction with the Lite-ON

This reveals two things to me: 1) It illustrates that dBpowerAMP definitely HAS potential to be 100% accurate with some research into heavily analyzing and testing it further as it develops.

2) It illustrates that Plextools is also well designed and is capable of allowing a Plextor drive to read extremely heavily scratched CD's and still get the data extracted without errors in the files.

3) It illustrates that there is a relatively high degree of agreement between all three programs, and this kind of comparative analysis should be helpful in finding out what can be done to optimize dBpowerAMP so that it is always deadly accurate, with any good, capable drive.

Yes Ideally I should have used a disc that was in the AR database, but I wasn't willing to sacrifice something that I actually listen to that is popular for the purposes of these tests.

Plextor PX-716 extraction of track 9 using dBpowerAMP with C2 result = Fail outright, massive errors

PX-716 Track 9 dBpowerAMP C2

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Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
  CRC32: 00322FB1
    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 165)
    Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 38)
    Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 131)
    Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 27)
    Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 263)
    Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 54)
    Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 8)
    Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 35)
    Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 28)
    Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 103)
    Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14  (c2 dropped 50)
    Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 62)
    Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 11)
    Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 44)
    Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 14)
    Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 19)
    Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 24)
    Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 45)
    Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 280)
    Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 3)
    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 25)
    Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 111)
    Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 267)
    Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 60)
    Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 252)
    Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 15)
    Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 76)
    Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 22)
    Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 191)
    Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11

--This track errored out in dBpowerAMP, and resulted in only a 44Kb file being written to the drive (should have been many MB in size. NOTICE however, that the same CRC was generated as with the Lite-ON, as well as from the EAC TEST extraction (not the EAC Copy extraction, oddly enough), even though the track failed to extract.

All correctly extracted tracks played back fine without any noticeable distortion, clicks, pops, skips of any kind whatsoever, including the successful extractions of track 9 where applicable.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #176 – 2006-10-22 20:28:37

@TrueAudio

Looking at the logs quickly, these frames stand out, external plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]

Internal Plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 331)

External Plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 165)

Internal Plextor:

Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)

I would run a test on the same cd with FUA not used, just try the correct cache amount set, to be sure. The Lite-on seems to outperform both Plextor 716s by a huge margine (not a single frame required to be re-ripeed)...

@ David Lytham

Looking at your log, no errors were detected so there is no reporting, find yourself a very scratched cd and you will seem a full log

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #177 – 2006-10-23 03:57:45

Quote

I would run a test on the same cd with FUA not used, just try the correct cache amount set, to be sure. The Lite-on seems to outperform both Plextor 716s by a huge margine (not a single frame required to be re-ripeed)...

You were correct, I didn't have the cache detected (I didn't think it mattered since I had the FUA option enabled, but apparently it does. Here is the Bass Quake extraction log of the PX-716UF with the cache detected as well as FUA disabled Also, oddly enough I noticed that the cache detection is THE ONLY thing that is important (to be used *before* testing for FUA compatability). You can have the actual cache detected properly, and then turn on the use FUA option if it shows that the drive supports it, and it will still work just fine.

I'm not sure if enabling FUA does anything with the cache having a number other than 0 in it?. I also did a separate rip with FUA enabled of this entire disc, it resulted in exactly the same results with no re-reads needed at all.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 78AC349D

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:50. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: DAFD681B

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:35. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 83207619

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:31. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: C10F3211

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:37. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 65630459

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 37285062

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A949A424

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:24. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 846E1A57

--------------

12 Tracks Ripped Securely

Here is some new info, including another interesting twist, this time with the Lite-On drive [NOTE -different disc this time with a problematic last track]:

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:20 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 670 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 33859 (7:31) in 0:22. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 01 - Star Wars And The Revenge Of The Sith.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: B46E4BA2

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 33859 to 55310 (4:46) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 02 - Anakin's Dream.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: A7CB1AEB

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 55310 to 71987 (3:42) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 03 - Battle Of The Heroes.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: C7A58552

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 71987 to 90262 (4:03) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 04 - Anakin's Betrayal.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F21D73C4

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 90262 to 108788 (4:07) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 05 - General Grievous.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 77C88324

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 108788 to 133166 (5:25) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 06 - Palpatine's Teachings.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6B841453

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 133166 to 148734 (3:27) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 07 - Grievous And The Droids.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 2D4B8BEC

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 148734 to 163494 (3:16) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 08 - Padme's Ruminations.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 3DDD17C0

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 163494 to 181285 (3:57) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 09 - Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 4169D22E

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 181285 to 199669 (4:05) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 10 - Anakin's Dark Deeds.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 5301D9F4

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 199669 to 218752 (4:14) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 11 - Enter Lord Vader.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 1876BF73

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 218752 to 230886 (2:41) in 0:03. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 12 - The Immolation Scene.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 16)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 5E3C6FA2

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 230886 to 243591 (2:49) in 0:03. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 13 - Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 13641D81

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 243591 to 259879 (3:37) in 0:04. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 14 - The Birth Of The Twins And Padme's Destiny.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 28D4F543

Track 15:  Ripped LBA 259879 to 318813 (13:05) in 2:01. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 15 - A New Hope And End Credits.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15)     [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 234 Frames]
  CRC32: B8406495
    Re-rip Frame: 289206 (00:06:31.026) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 289352 (00:06:32.973) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289394 (00:06:33.533) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289415 (00:06:33.813) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289435 (00:06:34.080) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289436 (00:06:34.093) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289456 (00:06:34.360) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289457 (00:06:34.373) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289477 (00:06:34.640) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289519 (00:06:35.200) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289540 (00:06:35.480) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289561 (00:06:35.760) matched 10 / 11
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15 Tracks Ripped Accurately

Observe the last track extracted with the Plextor this time (with cache detected but yet also, FUA enabled --it didn't even have to do an ultra pass here. By the way, this last track showed c2 errors and even a red, bad block of data when scanned by Nero CD speed with the Lite-On drive --notice the CRC's

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:30 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 15:  Ripped LBA 259879 to 318813 (13:05) in 1:38. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 15 - A New Hope And End Credits.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: B8406495

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1 Tracks Ripped Accurately

More cross-verification showing that something must be being done right.

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EAC extraction logfile from 22. October 2006, 15:52 for CD
John Williams / Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack]

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-716A   Adapter: 2  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : No
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Installed external ASPI interface


Track 15
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams_EAC_TRACK_15_NOC2\A New Hope and End Credits.wav

   Peak level 90.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC B8406495
   Copy CRC B8406495
   Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

By the way Spoon, question:

How could track 15 from the Lite-On log match the Accuraterip database as well as the CRC's from EAC and from the flawless rip of the Plextor when it had these two lines of code in the log?:

Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #178 – 2006-10-23 06:58:17

any chance of a linux port?

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #179 – 2006-10-23 08:23:29

>Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
>Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)

Two possibilities - the c2 is reporting an error which is not there (very possible), or the frame might be silence audio, which it just happened to return (not overly likely).

If I have things right, enablng FUA on your 716 makes it rip with lots of c2 errors, disabling it and it rips ok? (the cache value is not used with FUA, so 0 should be ok).

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #180 – 2006-10-23 09:00:17

This makes me wonder... do you mark frames as bad which reported c2 (probably corrected) or cu (uncorrected)?

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #181 – 2006-10-23 09:26:36

From the MMC3 specs:

01b C2 error block data

The C2 error, Pointer bits (2 352 bits or 294 bytes) is included in the data stream. There is one bit for each byte in error in the sector (2 352 total). The bit ordering is from the most significant bit to the least significant bit in each byte. The first bytes in the sector are the first
bits/bytes in the data stream.

c2 has two ways of failling, by missing an error completely, or to flag an error which is not there.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #182 – 2006-10-23 09:44:30

Quote from: spoon on 2006-10-23 09:26:36

From the MMC3 specs:

01b C2 error block data

The C2 error, Pointer bits (2 352 bits or 294 bytes) is included in the data stream. There is one bit for each byte in error in the sector (2 352 total). The bit ordering is from the most significant bit to the least significant bit in each byte. The first bytes in the sector are the first
bits/bytes in the data stream.

c2 has two ways of failling, by missing an error completely, or to flag an error which is not there.

I guess these include "probably corrected" c2 errors then... Sorry, I don't know much about how the drive sends its data to the PC, but I know how the error correction works. I think TrueAudio's drive was able to correct the errors at the c2 stage, but still flagged them every time because a c2 correction was necessary.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #183 – 2006-10-23 12:13:18

spath might jump in here, it might be implemented differently between drives (heck c2 is far from uniform across drives, I am getting reports from some drives that readcd with LBA will not work with c2, where as readcd MSF with c2 does work), I would have thought correctable ones would not be flagged.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #184 – 2006-10-23 18:39:21

Quote from: VCSkier on 2006-10-23 06:58:17

any chance of a linux port?

Works great with Wine on Ubuntu 6.06 (The Dapper Drake) for me.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #185 – 2006-10-23 18:41:37

Quote from: spies on 2006-10-23 18:39:21

Quote from: VCSkier on 2006-10-23 06:58:17

any chance of a linux port?
Works great with Wine on Ubuntu 6.06 (The Dapper Drake) for me.

I'll second that

worked fine in Ubuntu 6.10 last time I tried

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #186 – 2006-10-23 18:56:39

Thats good news! Now if only foobar did! gooooosh.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #187 – 2006-10-23 20:11:31

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If I have things right, enablng FUA on your 716 makes it rip with lots of c2 errors, disabling it and it rips ok? (the cache value is not used with FUA, so 0 should be ok).

Not entirely correct. Here is the exact breakdown:

I. If you have FUA support enabled BEFORE you have done the cache detection (i.e. cache says NONE; this is the exact scenario that causes the drive to have to re-read, and results in it completely FAILING to extract in some cases as seen here again --note, even though it calculates the correct CRC, the resulting extracted file is **unplayable** (i.e. unrecognizable by both EAC "process WAV", as well as Foobar 2000) and is only 44 KILOBYTES in size) it also is marked with a red 'X' with the word "fail" (NOT "i" secure) next to that track in dBpowerAMP.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 8:24 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF 1.10  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
  CRC32: 00322FB1
    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 165)
    Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 38)
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    Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 263)
    Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 54)
    Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 8)
    Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 35)
    Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 28)
    Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 103)
    Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14  (c2 dropped 50)
    Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 62)
    Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 11)
    Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 44)
    Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 14)
    Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 19)
    Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 24)
    Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 45)
    Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 280)
    Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 3)
    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 25)
    Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 111)
    Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 267)
    Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 60)
    Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 252)
    Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 15)
    Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 76)
    Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 22)
    Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 191)
    Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11

II. If cache detection is done BEFORE FUA is checked (enabled), and the resulting cache size of the PX-716 is detected, it will then extract perfectly with NO re-reads, and matching CRC's, also as long as the cache was detected beforehand, it then subsequently does not matter to the drive in terms of whether FUA is enabled or disabled, either way it will properly extract, ***IT IS ONLY WHEN THE CACHE WAS NOT TESTED FOR, THAT FUA WILL CAUSE THE DRIVE TO FREAK OUT ON CERTAIN TRACKS***. Proof is provided by the following 2 logs: note FUA enabled in 1 and disabled in the other --makes no difference, as long as the cache is detected and displayed. This is why I was asking you if FUA still WORKED when the cache displays a number other than zero. Because if it does, then why the hell would it error out if you never detected the cache in the first place and left it at "NONE", when FUA invalidates the cache anyways? It makes absolutely no sense to me other than to suggest that the software is bugged in some manner when interacting with the PX-716 drives (It does this with all of them, not just 1, so it isn't a drive issue).

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF 1.10  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:19 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF 1.10  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

To word this another way: Why does either the combination of the Plextor PX-716 drive and dBpowerAMP *CARE* whether or not the cache was detected and displayed in the field with 1173KB in order to work properly? When it is 100% fact, and well known that these drives support Force Unit Access (as that is the underlying reason for the speed capabilities of Plextools Pro), and FUA disables the cache anyways?

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #188 – 2006-10-24 03:32:04

Fyi

I forgot to add that the C2 errors generated when FUA is enabled without having had first detected the cache only occur on problematic tracks/hard to read/scratched disks etc. Note this log here from before where the entire disc extracted fine but the cache was never set (had this disc had enough scratches it would have resulted in massive re-rip attempts, but even this would have been fixed, had it occurred, if I detected the cache beforehand --lol.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:47 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF  1.10   ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 24260 (5:23) in 0:16. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 01 - On the Bound.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 932173EE

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 24260 to 40831 (3:40) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 02 - To Your Love.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 23)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 157B81BF

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 40831 to 56667 (3:31) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 03 - Limp.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 454C730E

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 56667 to 71878 (3:22) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 04 - Love Ridden.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 18E02F5A

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 71878 to 88422 (3:40) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 05 - Paper Bag.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: E8D29123

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 88422 to 110778 (4:58) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 06 - A Mistake.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 986722EF

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 110778 to 131793 (4:40) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 07 - Fast as You Can.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 178FEE51

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 131793 to 151197 (4:18) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 08 - The Way Things Are.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: AD10091D

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 151197 to 169999 (4:10) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 09 - Get Gone.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 3080A536

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 169999 to 192160 (4:55) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 10 - I Know.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 21)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F8A6AA66

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10 Tracks Ripped Accurately


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Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #189 – 2006-10-24 09:40:13

I notice your rips are all on different days, I am thinking if you were to rip again with FUA and 0kb cache then it would be ok (the code for FUA or cache invalidation is only called if a re-read is needed), on your good rips there are no re-reads needed, hence that would never be called if the drive was working correctly. Also the code for FUA invalidation does not use a cache size, and the cache size is never used if FUA is used.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #190 – 2006-10-24 18:47:42

Quote from: greynol on 2006-10-20 22:21:39

A friend of mine is having trouble with the cache and FUA settings and his PX-760A, but this might not have anything to do with spoon's program.

As a follow-up, this problem went away once SPTD was removed from his sytem.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #191 – 2006-10-24 20:50:53

Quote from: spoon on 2006-10-23 12:13:18

spath might jump in here, it might be implemented differently between drives (heck c2 is far from uniform across drives, I am getting reports from some drives that readcd with LBA will not work with c2, where as readcd MSF with c2 does work), I would have thought correctable ones would not be flagged.

Unfortunately manufacturers have different (at least 3) meanings for their C2 flags, probably
because the MMC specs are not clear enough. The correct definition of these flags is in the
Red Book : it should be calculated based on information coming from both C1 and C2 stages
and it should mark bytes which are wrong _after_ C2 correction, so that the flags can be used
for error concealment. However, even when this calculation is correctly done by the drive,
often some correct bytes will be flagged as wrong due to the CIRC structure (much more often
than an actual error which would not be flagged).

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #192 – 2006-10-29 09:47:08

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Track 5:  Ripped LBA 73755 to 93240 (4:19) in 2:11. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 6 Frames]
  CRC32: 1648C973

What does this warning mean? The log is from a brand new UB40 CD that I have just ripped, all tracks ripped securely apart from this one. I know it means it had to re-rip 6 frames but does this mean I can still treat it as a secure rip?

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #193 – 2006-10-29 14:56:20

It was a warning that frames had to be re-ripped, having a detailed log will show the details of those frames.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #194 – 2006-10-29 18:09:14

I do have R12 set to detailed logging.

Below is the log from the CD in which the warning appeared. I can only see the log if I go into the "Extraction Logs" folder where they are saved as .txt files after ripping. A log dosen't appear after ripping even though I have the "add to information log (shown after ripping)" enabled.

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 29 October 2006 9:12 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'D:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-760A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 20092 (4:27) in 2:23. Filename: K:\- Track 1.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 6AD9328F

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 20092 to 39052 (4:12) in 2:12. Filename: K:\- Track 2.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: CF7C6693

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 39052 to 58195 (4:15) in 2:10. Filename: K:\- Track 3.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: FD28A7B6

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 58195 to 73755 (3:27) in 1:45. Filename: K:\- Track 4.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 89491ACC

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 73755 to 93240 (4:19) in 2:11. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 6 Frames]
  CRC32: 1648C973

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 93240 to 110985 (3:56) in 1:56. Filename: K:\- Track 6.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 3CA1725C

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 110985 to 136465 (5:39) in 2:43. Filename: K:\- Track 7.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 7CB3F329

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 136465 to 157900 (4:45) in 2:16. Filename: K:\- Track 8.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 6842FE2A

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 157900 to 173452 (3:27) in 1:40. Filename: K:\- Track 9.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 28E278ED

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 173452 to 187950 (3:13) in 1:33. Filename: K:\- Track 10.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 7D382BA7

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 187950 to 207185 (4:16) in 2:01. Filename: K:\- Track 11.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 53D3CBBE

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 207185 to 221837 (3:15) in 1:33. Filename: K:\- Track 12.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 8D351B78

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 221837 to 248650 (5:57) in 2:45. Filename: K:\- Track 13.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: E0D2DBB5

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 248650 to 271630 (5:06) in 2:22. Filename: K:\- Track 14.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: C3BA7C88

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14 Tracks Ripped: 13 Secure, 1 Secure (Warning)

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #195 – 2006-10-29 19:05:30

Sorry I meant the 'complete' setting. Anyhow, it is just a warning because a re-rip was required, if it was an error that got through it would have got past your C2 and re-rip (4 times with ultra), so very unlikely.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #196 – 2006-10-29 20:48:09

Quote from: spoon on 2006-10-29 19:05:30

Sorry I meant the 'complete' setting. Anyhow, it is just a warning because a re-rip was required, if it was an error that got through it would have got past your C2 and re-rip (4 times with ultra), so very unlikely.

Thanks for clearing that up Spoon

I understand what you mean now. Basically the log will report if there was an un-recoverable error, in this case the audio was extracted accurately. The log was just telling me that the frame had to be re-ripped but extracted OK.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #197 – 2006-10-30 02:05:59

Q1: Hi, sorry if i'm incompetent and don't know how to configure this right or if it's really like this... but is there a way to configure offset manually? In the option panel for the sample offset, i only see (accuraterip find) and a reset to zero button. Maybe this option isn't available, but then there are users out there (i'm thinking international users) who don't have those "popular" CDs that might be in the database, we'd like to be able to use the default value of the drive, since that's given at http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm anyways.

Q2: I installed the generic CLI, ran the GenCLICreator.exe to add a commandline encoder, and added it. But then nothing changed in dbpoweramp cd ripper. Where is the encoder supposed to show up?
"The Shown Name is the title that dMC will use in its right click menu" is what's written in the tutorial, but what right click menu? I right click inside dmc cd ripper and nothing of such appear.

Q3: Will there be a standalone execute version (one that you don't have to install) like EAC has a zip file with the program all there. It'd be nice for people who cary the app on a memory stick with them and rip with whatever computer they come accross.

Thanks.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #198 – 2006-10-30 18:29:47

Only AccurateRip can configure the offset. People from all around the world contribute to the database so popular cds from any culture should be in (and you will just need 1 cd if it matches the one already in the database).

Generic CLI is for the R11.5 (from Codec Central), not compatible with R12 (where you downloaded R12 there is an CLI Encoder).

Q3, it would run from a memory stick - install it to the memory stick, but you wouldn't have offsets configured.

Secure Ripper Test (part 2 concise results)

Reply #199 – 2006-10-30 19:31:30

Spoon, is it possible not to have tag information written to wave files automatically?