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are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

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are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #26 –
Quote from: Axon on
I will say that, at least with what Bourne's examples sound like, the moderation seems somewhat capricious. What I mean by that is that there are many posts that slide by nowadays that would be moderated out if given the same treatment. (I've had my fair share of inane and meaningless posts, and so far I've managed to avoid the Recycle Bin entirely, amazingly enough.)

Still, I enjoy the moderation style. The signal-to-noise ratio of posts here is far higher than on other forums, and in large part, that's because people here seem to shut their stupid mouths if they don't have anything useful to contribute. Compare that to Head-Fi and SH.tv, where it seems like a dozen people wish to make their presence known on a regular basis.



If Bourne were to complain like this on stevehoffman.tv, about its moderation policies, I guarantee that he'd have been banned within hours, and the thread would have gone down the memory hole.

From what I've seen of Bourne's posts here, and recall of them, he struck me as perhaps a borderline troll, but I thought it was really a language issue.  Now I'm not so sure.

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

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Reply #28 –
Since I started posting here I got warned twice.

The first one was a harsh thing because of something pretty innocent that was understood like a strong TOS violation (of course in my opinion). The second one was a deserved warning, I admit.

At the time I got offended and posted publicly in the forum about the warnings and the thread was deleted (not even moved to the recycle bin) almost immediatly.

I contacted the moderation both times I was warned and I never got a "polite fuck off and obey me" attitude. Actually moderation was very polite and explained perfectly clearly the reasons for the warnings and I really appreciated that.

After that I was able to properly analyze what happened and realized that moderation acted in the best interest of the forum community, so I am satisfied with the way things were handled in my case.

That taught me something: think before posting. Now I just post if I have something useful to add.

Bourne, I don't know what happened in your case but I can tell you something: moderation is responsible for keeping things sane in this forum and I personally think that they do a very good job.

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #29 –
yeah, in the end, I agree wholeheartedly with what Jens, krab, and beto have said. No moderation is perfect, but this forum is easily the best administered audio forum I've ever had the pleasure of taking part in.

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #30 –
I don't know what the big deal is. This is a knowledge based forum. If you have nothing useful/factual to add to the discussion, then don't type a response. If you don't like the moderators, leave.

Also don't be too quick to assume that we cannot speak your language.
OP can't edit initial post when a solution is determined  :'-(

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

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are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #32 –
I'll edit mine, too.

You know Bourne, besides that creepy cat avatar, you often had good suggestions. They weren't always on topic or complete, but usually the replies were short enough and to the point---got the idea across.

This place does not limit information, regulates the presentation of the information. Otherwise we get far too many people posting the same questions over and over... like "how do I split an APE with a CUE?"

The comment about the avatar stays. :-P
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Reply #33 –
Quote from: Bourne on
right now... I wished I could have a "Cancel Account" button...

Hey Bourne. Calm down man! You may end up being banned!
I kind of like your postings but... you are not perfect. The moderators are not perfect. So once in a while some "discrepancies" will occur. At this time the best is to cool down, walk away and practice some tolerance.
I was warned once (for offending innocent audiophiles.      ) But overall I find that HA mods are quite tolerant.

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

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Reply #35 –
I will apologize, my recent comment was nothing more than an attack. But you've since edited your comments directed towards me. In turn, I have edited mine.

If you have valued information, present it. Again, I find this forum to be about accessing information efficiently. Not knowing the actual problem here, all I gather is that you have said something impolite, too far off topic, or bashed something---I don't know.

I am pretty sure I have had plenty of my threads washed down memory lane (maybe not deleted or recycled).  It did not bother me in the least; either no one knew, no one cared, or no one figured it was practical. I made other solutions from other sections of the site.

What kind of door out should there be? To leave... just don't log in. Why should there be a "you can never log in again" button? Besides, all your posts would stay regardless because they contain beneficial information to the topic. I really do not understand how there is a problem with this site. The rules are in place to ensure the efficient discussion of audio technology and information.

And the comment about the cat stays. :-P

-Hain
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are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #36 –
Quote from: Bourne on
right now... I wished I could have a "Cancel Account" button.


1)  Change email address to gibberish.
2)  Change password to gibebrish.
3)  Log out.

Did you really need that explained to you?

Quote from: Bourne on
For some reason I can't find those buttons here in this damn forum, so that is why I can't just "leave".


Yes because a leave button is necessary for you to turn off your computer and go outside.

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Quote from: Mike Giacomelli on
I don't know who you are or what you're complaining about but honestly the fact that you posted this thread probably means whatever they moderated you for was justified.

That's like saying, I don't know what Gary Kasparov is complaining about, but the fact that he's on TV talking about it probably means whatever he was arrested for was justified.


Because disagreeing with someone on the internet is just like going to jail. 

This reasoning is so belittling to people like Kasparov I'm actually mildly disgusted with you as a human being.

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #37 –
Haven't been on here much in last couple years but the mod's have been generally pretty tolerant and fair from what I've seen. As far as site improvements go, how about adding ...

TOS #15: No member shall mention TOS violations by other members unless he/she has (a) been elevated to a minimum of moderator status or (b) been a member for at least 2 years

I don't know about you guys but I get tired of seeing gung ho rookies screening for TOS violations ... especially in regards to #8.
No one can be told what Ogg Vorbis is...you have to hear it for yourself
- Morpheus

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #38 –
I wouldn't generalize at all. I point out problems because the question leads to this. That doesn't mean the moderation as a whole doesn't make a good job all in all and in everyday business.

"German blockwart" - rotfl, yes, I was sometimes thinking we maybe have a german problem. Postings from people telling about rock solid principles, yes, that's likely to be from the german side. They more seldom tend to connive things. This is not always bad, but as well not always good.

The media and being a human being is a source of the problem. A forum starts from scratch, and the more time people spend on the forum, people see newbies quicker and more radical below them. We all know the tendency of HA and fb2k feeling superior. This may be a source of the highly undemocratic TOS#7: criticism in mod action not allowed, because you folks can be sure, you are not worth criticising us, who have way more experience and knowledge and wisdom. TOS#7 is a real problem because it allows e.g. to immediately close this thread. I would allow mod action criticism to go to site related discussions.

Some topics get locked too soon, because of some simple triggers. Someone asked about foo_fullscreen replacement or alternative ideas and the topic got locked because of the "banned component" trigger.
EDIT: TOO OFFTOPIC.On a OT-sidenote: Did latest fb2k beta get extra code to ban the component from the software side? It tells the component has been removed despite it's there...

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #39 –
Quote from: Xenno on
Haven't been on here much in last couple years but the mod's have been generally pretty tolerant and fair from what I've seen. As far as site improvements go, how about adding ...

TOS #15: No member shall mention TOS violations by other members unless he/she has (a) been elevated to a minimum of moderator status or (b) been a member for at least 2 years

I don't know about you guys but I get tired of seeing gung ho rookies screening for TOS violations ... especially in regards to #8.

Amen.

"How does it sound?" is by nature subjective.  Providing objective evidence for an opinion doesn't really change the fact that it's still an opinion.  I'm old and I blew out my hearing in the 60's.  Even if couched in statistics, my opinions are likely irrelevant to everyone here.  I know and accept that.

I've mentioned this once or twice before and the moderators were gracious enough not to declare me a blasphemer.  I appreciate the moderators and the work they do here.

Woody

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Bourne on
"a language issue" haha... I can speak your language


After a fashion, I suppose.


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and you cannot speak mine.


True, but I don't try to.

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you write from your pedestal too, get down from there. troll? ha... about almost anything in this whole site can be labelled a "troll". oh what's that button, - that's a troll. troll troll troll, everything here is interpreted as  trolling...


Tend much to overstatement?






Quote from: Squeller on
I wouldn't generalize at all.


OK, great.

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"German blockwart" - rotfl, yes, I was sometimes thinking we maybe have a german problem. Postings from people telling about rock solid principles, yes, that's likely to be from the german side. They more seldom tend to connive things. This is not always bad, but as well not always good.



But you wouldn't generalize at all. 



Quote from: woody_woodward on
"How does it sound?" is by nature subjective.  Providing objective evidence for an opinion doesn't really change the fact that it's still an opinion.


Is an opinion independently supported by facts no more compelling to you, than one that isn't?

I love this place precisely because it offers an alternative to the gush of totally subjective, sighted-comparison *opinions* that constitute 'information' and 'discussion' on most other audio sites.Which, to me, are utterly useless.

If you need that sort of input, there's plenty of other places to go  (some of which have moderation policies more draconian than here, be warned).  HA is a rarity, there's no need to make it more 'subjectivist'-friendly.

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #41 –
Quote from: krabapple on
Quote from: woody_woodward on


"How does it sound?" is by nature subjective.  Providing objective evidence for an opinion doesn't really change the fact that it's still an opinion.


Is an opinion independently supported by facts no more compelling to you, than one that isn't?

I love this place precisely because it offers an alternative to the gush of totally subjective, sighted-comparison *opinions* that constitute 'information' and 'discussion' on most other audio sites.Which, to me, are utterly useless.

If you need that sort of input, there's plenty of other places to go  (some of which have moderation policies more draconian than here, be warned).  HA is a rarity, there's no need to make it more 'subjectivist'-friendly.


Ouch !

Thanks for the warning.

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Reply #42 –
Quote from: Bourne on
> Saved warn logs: Bourne
Warned by    Notes
---    Warned on Dec 4 2007, 03:11
Added to warn level    Trolling: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=59427

Fixed the link - and yea - you should be warned for that.

So let me get this straight - you violated the rules enough to deserve a ban - they cut you some slack - and that is reason to complain?

HA is, IMHO, a model forum when it comes to rules and moderation.


Quote from: Bourne on
For one thing I know, blunt stupid moderation is for the "SS".

Perhaps TOS #15 should be Goodwin.
Creature of habit.

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Reply #43 –
Quote from: Soap on
Perhaps TOS #15 should be Goodwin.



This Goodwin rule might be good, but Godwin would work better 

are moderators too harsh and dictatorial over harmless topics?

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Bourne on
right now... I wished I could have a "Cancel Account" button. And I also wished a "Remove All Own Posts" button. For some reason I can't find those buttons here in this damn forum, so that is why I can't just "leave". As for the language, no you can't speak it.


Actually, if I recall correctly, some time ago, I remember seeing a person who claims to be a recording engineer post some false information about CDs. His position was debunked, and about a day later, all seven or so of his posts are gone, along with his account. I don't know how he did it, but I believe he really did delete his account, but I think it would entail deleting every single post you have ever made first.

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Reply #46 –
We never delete accounts. Offensive posts are usually moved to recycle bin, which is readable by the public. There's another "recycle bin" which isn't readable by the public, but nothing is every truly deleted here.

I can't tell you how that account and the posts made from it disappeared, but it isn't standard practice.

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Reply #47 –
HA is a joy.

The moderation is quite transparent and fair. Even deleted threads are there for all to see. Even threads like this one can exist.

In contrast, I find tip toe-ing around some of the moderation on doom9 quite painful. I recently apologised for inadvertently getting someone warned, explaining that I didn't think any offence was meant by them, and none was taken by me - as a result I got a warning for "questioning a moderation decision". Heaven forbid I should ever ask what the best way to do something is!

I'm very grateful for HA. Nowhere is perfect, but it's great.


I don't think people should be prevented from pointing out TOS to other members. It can get petty, and it should be done politely, but banning it altogether would be silly and unhelpful.

Cheers,
David.
 

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Reply #48 –
I got a strike for posting in a configuration thread - Wouldn't it be more appropriate just to delete the post then (the post itself was a helpful answer on another post)?
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

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Reply #49 –
Quote from: odyssey on
I got a strike for posting in a configuration thread - Wouldn't it be more appropriate just to delete the post then (the post itself was a helpful answer on another post)?

Sorry but I don't know what a "configuration thread" is. Could someone enlighten me?