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Topic: Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC? (Read 7098 times) previous topic - next topic
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Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

I want to rip my hole music collection (about 350 CDs) to single Flac files. Because i want to have an exact copy of the original CD on my hard drive i need to use cue sheets. I started ripping my collection with Foobar aus flac Images, but i dislike that Foobar doesnt create a log file with the information about the rip.
EAC got this setting, but i dont like the configuration of eac and i had some problems with it earlier. I really like the dbPoweramp CD-ripper, but it's missing cue sheet support.
Then i thought about how it would be if I rip my collection into flac with dbPoweramp and then create a cue sheet with EAC with the "Action | Create CUE Sheet | Multiple WAV Files With Gaps (Noncompliant)" option.
Would this work as good as i rip only with eac or would there be a compatibility problem?

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #1 –
AFAIK, EAC will not let you import a flac file..IOW the 'Action' tab selection(s) will be greyed out..It needs an audio CD or wav(s) to process..Do correct me if I'm wrong, anyone..

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #2 –
I wasn't aware of this limitation of dBpoweramp before, though I don't use it, just admire it from afar  .

It seems CUE sheets and disc images are scheduled for a later version.

How about this for a test:

1. Put CD in drive.

2. Use EAC to extract CUE sheet from the actual CD (you may need to modify it later to point to the correct file(s)). If you can set up EAC, you could even rip to Image+CUE to compare with other methods.

3. Then use dBpa to rip the CD (which must be to individual tracks, I think). If HTOA is detected, rip that too, otherwise the EAC Cue sheet won't match the tracks you have.

4. Use CUEtools to join the tracks into a disc image if required, or simply to generate the CUE sheet with separate tracks. It seems to support all EAC's CUEsheet types and more besides.

Now compare the two CUE sheets and track lengths and gap information to check whether both match. CUEtools is partly aimed at being able to reconstruct a CD from CUE sheets and lossless backup files (whether disc-image or track-per-file), and being able to verify the lossless files against the AccurateRip database.

By this comparison, you might determine that say dBpa followed by CUEtools->generateCUE is enough, or that you need to create a CUE direct from the CD with EAC before ripping with dBpa, or that neither method preserves all the info you feel you require.

If you become convinced that dBpa and CUEtools can generate all the information you require, you can dispense with EAC. I suspect there might be some tracks (some Live Albums?) with Index 0 and Index 1 that wouldn't quite work this way to reproduce the exact same CD index points unless you rip the CUEsheet from the CD using EAC or a later version of dBpa that supports CUE.

If this is too much effort to do for every disc, you could choose to:
• accept it (dBpa should still capture all the audio on the disc securely, only losing some subtle index points and possibly silent lead-in or lead-out). How perfect does any restored image need to be, so long as the sound is identical quality? Couldn't you live with occasionally imperfect index points and duration of lead-in silence?
• use EAC+AccurateRip to rip (one-time effort to set up, probably adequate in Burst Mode if AccurateRip verifies for all tracks). You could even just rip to FLAC image + CUE then let foobar2000 or CUEtools split it to individual tracks afterwards if you prefer. PerfectMeta isn't avilable for EAC, but at least AccurateRip is. HTOA might be more difficult in EAC than dBpa - something I have no experience of.
• wait for CUE support in dBpa then use that.
Dynamic – the artist formerly known as DickD

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #3 –
It's possible - there's a thread about it on HA.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=73696

linking to

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=13551


It's a bit painful though. Considering how easy dBpa is when you're using it as designed, this is just torture.

I have to admit, I gave up.

(btw, you know dBpa does have cuesheet support now with a plug-in? But not with correct pre-gap information).

Cheers,
David.

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #5 –
Quote from: Eli on
Spoon has said this will be part of R14, so hopefully it will be much easier in the near future.


He also announced it for previous versions, it never showed up.  I would think this is holding back quite a few peeps from buying the product, so I am unsure why this is treated with such low priority... . 

Any update, Spoon?

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #6 –
I would agree that he has over promised and under-delivered on this one. However, he does have both cue sheets and image ripping in R13, as previously promised. However there is no gap detection or cue sheets for individually ripped tracks.

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #7 –
Quote from: Eli on
However there is no gap detection or cue sheets for individually ripped tracks.
Which is a shame, as that's exactly how I choose to use EAC! Nice convenient individual files, with the possibility of burning a bit-perfect copy - specifically, as far as AccurateRip and 'CDDB' are concerned, it's the original disc.

Cheers,
David.

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #8 –
Quote from: Eli on
Spoon has said this will be part of R14, so hopefully it will be much easier in the near future.

Spoon should create his own Audio CD layout format. One that really focuses on the disc layout itself and leave the song and album metadata to the tags. It should have mandatory checksums, pre-gap and all that stuff. Purpose being to make a more or less 1:1 copy (in the way that is possible with a ODD reader and writer), and verifying the rips audio integrity.

Rip CDs with dbPoweramp and create Cue-Sheets with EAC?

Reply #9 –
Quote from: Fandango on
Spoon should create his own Audio CD layout format.

He better create his own software (player, burner, virtual image) as well to lead the way in allowing people so actually use these new cue sheets.  We've already seen plenty of incompatibility associated with EAC's noncompliant variety of Golden Hawk's format.