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Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

Sorry if this has already been explained, but I have searched the FAQ's and the forums to the best of my ability without finding an answer... 

In the past to duplicate a beat up CD I would rip using EAC to separate WAV files and then burn the WAV files back to a CD-R using Nero.

Was just wondering if there is an easier way. 

I see the EAC create image w/cue and write image w/cue buttons and have always wondered what the intended purpose of these is.

Would these make the process simpler in the case where I want all tracks on the original CD to end up on the new CD in the same order etc.?

Thanks in advance,

Paul
Foobar 9.6.9, FLAC 1.2.1b, EAC 0.99 pb 5
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Would these make the process simpler in the case where I want all tracks on the original CD to end up on the new CD in the same order etc.?


Somewhat simpler, yes.

When you hit the IMG button it rips the disc to one large *.wav with a *.cue file.  The cue file lists the start time (with gap info) of every track.

Then hit the WRI button.. File -> Load CUE Sheet, and burn.

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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The purpose for using the cue sheet and large wav files is to mount the cue sheet with dameon tools. Then you open an audio program like iTunes it appears just like a you've inserted a cd-rom drive.  This allows you to use a codec like QuickTime AAC but retain the quality rip that EAC achieve.

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Is there a good reason for not doing a straight cd copy with Nero?

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Nero does not take into account offset correction.
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Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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The purpose for using the cue sheet and large wav files is to mount the cue sheet with dameon tools. Then you open an audio program like iTunes it appears just like a you've inserted a cd-rom drive.  This allows you to use a codec like QuickTime AAC but retain the quality rip that EAC achieve.
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I'm not so sure about that..

There are several reasons where disc replication of audio discs using Nero is less than optimal.

tec

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Would these make the process simpler in the case where I want all tracks on the original CD to end up on the new CD in the same order etc.?

Yes, i'd say so. And you can be certain that the copy will be gapless, and EAC will detect index 0 markers. EAC doesn't support my CD writer (i think), so i can't burn the image in EAC. But that is not a problem, CUE is a common image format and supported by for example Nero, CDRWIN and Alcohol 120% (it does NOT matter which program you use to burn the image).

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The purpose for using the cue sheet and large wav files is to mount the cue sheet with dameon tools. Then you open an audio program like iTunes it appears just like a you've inserted a cd-rom drive. This allows you to use a codec like QuickTime AAC but retain the quality rip that EAC achieve.

No.  The purpose is to create an image. And the most common use of a CD image would be to burn the image. The CUE image format is well known, and it is supported by software like Alcohol 120% and Daemon Tools that can mount images in virtual drives. But i truly doubt that is the main reason of the "create image" option in EAC.

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Nero does not take into account offset correction.

To hell with offsets (i think you have to configure EAC to do offset correction anyway). But there is a GOOD reason for not doing a copy in Nero. Nero will read the disc in burst mode (i think). At least i am certain that it does not read it securely like EAC does. I used to copy audio CDs in Nero earlier, and i remember that 2 or 3 times i got copies with audible errors.

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Yes Nero must be a rubbish ripper. A friend of mine just ripped one CD with it and I had to tell him that it was full of skips. Lots and lost of them. I identified at least 10 for them.  with exact position. I am 99% sure that my drive reads his CDR-s correctly because historically it reads all sort of rubbish CDR besides I tested that CD on 3 drives. and that these skips were not introduced during writing. If you have buffer underruns CD writers usually stop. And I am sure Nero can write CDs. So the skips must come from ripping.

I just taught him to use EAC.

Triza

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Nero does not take into account offset correction.


Offset correction is not that important as the correction is really small (we are talking about dimensions of samples), at least IMO negligible.

EAC is still a well matured product for extracting the audio-data of CDs, just that easy. You've got a lot of functions and possibilities with up-to-date technique (for instance error-correction).
It's a program for a special purpose, not a burning software with an basic, somewhat rudimentary audio-ripping implementation (yes I know, it's quite fine and does all you need and ..maybe it has not deserved such a statement  ).
While jumping through the forum you'll see EAC is named very often, it has still its reasons.

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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paulgj,
while you're becoming an audio technician and your wishes are growing, you may desire to create really perfect audio CDR copies. Then I suggest you read this thread, where I explain much about writing audio CDs using EAC.
Regarding your original question, I highly recommend you using "copy image and create cue sheet" and then writing the audio CD with EAC. In EAC's writing window select "load cue sheet". This has the advantage that you don't have to create the cuesheet by yourself (vice versa with single tracks)  and can indeed create the most exact copy of an audio CD on earth. While the image contains all of the audio data, the cue sheet contains all of the TOC data, even (if enabled) CD text, UPC, ISRC, gaps, etc.
After all, it's much more easy than to create a new cue sheet from single tracks in EAC's writing window, and  also more easy than dealing with single tracks in Nero etc.
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Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Regarding your original question, I highly recommend you using "copy image and create cue sheet" and then writing the audio CD with EAC. In EAC's writing window select "load cue sheet".


Is loading the cue sheet accomplished by clicking the "write with cue sheet button" or do I have to separately tell it to load the cuesheet?


Thanks again for all the great information and advice in this thread.

Paul
Foobar 9.6.9, FLAC 1.2.1b, EAC 0.99 pb 5
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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If you can burn a CD with EAC at all (Andre supports only a limited number of burner models), the fastest way to copy the CD is Tools|Copy CD on the menu bar. There's a modest wizard to help you get going, but basically EAC rips the disc to a generic CDImage.wav file, generates a corresponding CDImage.cue file, burns the disc for you, and erases the files (if that's the option you've chosen).

Fast and fool-proof.


Jim K.

Duplicating an audio CD using EAC

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Regarding your original question, I highly recommend you using "copy image and create cue sheet" and then writing the audio CD with EAC. In EAC's writing window select "load cue sheet".


Is loading the cue sheet accomplished by clicking the "write with cue sheet button" or do I have to separately tell it to load the cuesheet?

I don't remember a "write with cue sheet" button, sorry. Perhaps because I've disabled the "disable all advanced options" option.
-select "copy image and create cue sheet" in the "action" menu. EAC saves a "CDimage.wav" and a "CDimage.cue" in the same directory.
-select tools/write CDR
-select file/load cue sheet and load the created cue sheet; this automatically also loads the wav file. EAC needs them both; only both together contain the neccessary information for the CD.
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