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Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

I just attempted to burn a group of .wav files to an 80 minute Tayo Yuden CD-R with my new Samsung - CDRW /DVD SM-352B.  This device was not listed on Fuerio’s device/driver list.  Nevertheless, it appeared to successfully burn to this CD-R using the (default) generic IDE driver (Generic_Scsi3.dll -> Generic SCSI-3/ATAPI-Driver (with display of recorder-buffer)).  As further background, my Samsung drive is housed in a case which converts the IDE interface to IEEE1394 (Firewire) and plugs into my PCMCIA port.

The problem: my desk stereo plays the CD fine if I play it from the beginning.  But if I try to skip to any track other than #1, it hangs up (i.e. can’t find or play the track).  This does not happen when using my Samsung drive and Fuerio! for playback.  Whenever I skip to a track above #1, the desk stereo continues to make a spinning/seeking noise, for whatever it’s worth.  Any thing I can do in particular to fix this?

I can post the detailed Feurio! test results for my drive if that helps.

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #1 –
It seems a writing quality problem.
Try with another program, but it shouldn't make any difference.

Simply, your player can't read that disc well enough.
The proof is that it works well in the computer.

Have you tried that player with other CDRs?
You can try another brand of CDRs, changing burning speed or another burner.

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #2 –
Thanks, minix.  I'll give each of those suggestions a try.  Also, I'll try this CDR on a different playback device (like my car's CD player).  I went out of my way to get Tayo Yuden media to avoid this problem, but that didn't do the trick I guess. 

One thing of interest from the Feurio! test: my drive had problems with index markers.

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+++ Reading with index markers +++


Feurio will now try to read the index markers with the data.
Index information:
Position: 00:00:00 -> track: 1, index: 1
Position: 02:20:42 -> track: 2, index: 0
Position: 02:22:15 -> track: 2, index: 1
Position: 04:54:25 -> track: 3, index: 0
Position: 04:55:67 -> track: 3, index: 1

Please check the index information!
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I'm not sure what this means, but it sounds like more of a read problem than a writing problem.  Any ideas?

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #3 –
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One thing of interest from the Feurio! test: my drive had problems with index markers.

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+++ Reading with index markers +++


Feurio will now try to read the index markers with the data.
Index information:
Position: 00:00:00 -> track: 1, index: 1
Position: 02:20:42 -> track: 2, index: 0
Position: 02:22:15 -> track: 2, index: 1
Position: 04:54:25 -> track: 3, index: 0
Position: 04:55:67 -> track: 3, index: 1

Please check the index information!
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http://www.feurio.com/English/faq/faq_voca...ble_index.shtml

Index marks are not used, except index-0 (and index-1 obviously, which is the start of the track).
Index-0 is the zone with negative times where usually pauses are "stored". If you don't "read the indices", that silence will be the end of the previous track instead of an index-0.

Feurio says that you should check if the indexes shown are correct, because Feurio can't know it (if the drive doesn't read them well).
For instance, the second track should start at 2:22:15 and it should have almost 2 seconds of pause before. (There may be music instead of silence during index-0).


If you know CDRs that work with your player, then try them.
If it's the 1st time you try that player with CDR media, then you've just probably found that it's not very good for that.

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #4 –
That's what I was thinking- that the player is just not good at playing CDRs.  But CDR mixes I've received from friends (on media such as Memorex or TDK) seem to work fine.  I'll try other burning programs, as well, to see if that makes a difference.

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #5 –
For the record, that flawed CDR didn't work in my new car's CD player either.  But I tried burning the same .wav files onto the same media with Nero and that seems to have worked fine!  Not sure why Feurio! failed here and Nero came through.  Everywhere I've looked, it seems that Feurio! gets the nod as the best burning software.  Is this dated, or do people still feel this way?  Is there a chance I configured something improperly?

Btw- thanks everyone for your help (again)!!

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #6 –
I got a similar experience with CD Architect 4.5d. Hifi players couldn't directly acess tracks that were multiple of 4 (tracks 4, 8, 12...).
It only occured with the CD Architect Software, but was a known bug of the Yamaha 6416S burner

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #7 –
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Not sure why Feurio! failed here and Nero came through. 

Probably because your drive isn't supported by Feurio.

If it works perfectly except for the fact that it can't change track, then it's almost sure a problem with the SCSI-3/ATAPI driver you chose.

If it has bad quality, I don't know how that is possible.
I don't know how the burning program can influence quality.
Maybe that driver doesn't perform a power calibration?

Can't skip to tracks on burned CD

Reply #8 –
Another possible option is all the conversion you are doing of bus types.  Especially if your specific drive isn't listed.  While it's fine and dandy to assume the computer knows how to do all the work, the following (assuming I understood you correctly) is what you are doing:

PCMCIA -> IEEE1394 (Firewire) -> IDE/ATAPI

It's not a huge ordeal, but it doesn't leave a lot of room for error.  If the driver you have selected doesn't cope with such situations, or the application doesn't understand exactly how to send the data to your specific drive, flaws can easily come about.

Out of curiosity, what driver/setting were you using with Nero?  Nero has always done quite well for me, personally.  Glad to see it worked for someone else as well.