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Tagging Dilemma

The album by Green Day, American Idiot, seems to have a peculiar way of naming songs. For example, track number 2, there seems to be five sub-tracks as indicated by the kind of naming scheme on the CD.

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2. Jesus of Suburbia
              I. Jesus of Suburbia
              II. City of the Damned
              III. I don't Care
              IV. Dearly Beloved
              V. Tales of Another Broken Home


The way how I decided to do the tagging was the following:

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Green Day - American Idiot - 02 - Jesus Of Suburbia- Jesus of Suburbia,City Of The Damned,I Don't Care,Dearly Beloved,Tales Of Another Broken Home.flac


Would you guys name the file like this? If not, how would you name the file?

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Reply #1 –
Hi,

I would do that:

Green Day\(Year) American Idiot\02 Jesus Of Suburbia

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Reply #2 –
Quote from: Sgt_Strider on
If not, how would you name the file?

1. Jesus of Suburbia.ext

Especially interpreters of the progressive scene, like Rush and Dream Theater, often produce single tracks which actually consist of several sub-tracks, comparable to medleys. But instead of flooding the title tag and file name with the many sub-tracks, I only go for the main title instead. The several sub-tracks' names are stored inside the comment field then, in case anyone's interested in learning them.

Example:

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Reply #3 –
Quote from: Junon on
Quote from: Sgt_Strider on
If not, how would you name the file?

1. Jesus of Suburbia.ext

Especially interpreters of the progressive scene, like Rush and Dream Theater, often produce single tracks which actually consist of several sub-tracks, comparable to medleys. But instead of flooding the title tag and file name with the many sub-tracks, I only go for the main title instead. The several sub-tracks' names are stored inside the comment field then, in case anyone's interested in learning them.

Example:




Thanks for the information and I think I want to change the way how I tag that song similar to what you did. The problem is that I don't know how to use MP3Tag to edit the tag. In the comment section, I can only enter one entry for the comment tag. How do I enter multiple lines for the comment field in MP3Tag?

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Reply #4 –
Won't work, sorry. Even in the "Advanced tags..." window MP3tag refuses adding wordwraps to the comments after hitting the enter key. Foobar2000 and Winamp properly add them.

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Reply #5 –
Quote from: Junon on
Won't work, sorry. Even in the "Advanced tags..." window MP3tag refuses adding wordwraps to the comments after hitting the enter key. Foobar2000 and Winamp properly add them.


Do you know how to use Foobar2000 to edit tags and filenames?

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Reply #7 –
Quote from: Sgt_Strider on
The album by Green Day, American Idiot, seems to have a peculiar way of naming songs. For example, track number 2, there seems to be five sub-tracks as indicated by the kind of naming scheme on the CD.

Code: [Select]
2. Jesus of Suburbia
              I. Jesus of Suburbia
              II. City of the Damned
              III. I don't Care
              IV. Dearly Beloved
              V. Tales of Another Broken Home


The way how I decided to do the tagging was the following:

Code: [Select]
Green Day - American Idiot - 02 - Jesus Of Suburbia- Jesus of Suburbia,City Of The Damned,I Don't Care,Dearly Beloved,Tales Of Another Broken Home.flac


Would you guys name the file like this? If not, how would you name the file?

I don't understand what you mean by "the kind of naming scheme on the CD".  Do you mean in the liner notes?

On the actual, physical CD how many tracks are represented by the above?  CD's don't have "sub-tracks", so is the above 1 track or 5 tracks?

It's not like this problem hasn't been solved before.    If you want 5 items to blend together you can do it with separate tracks and gapless playback.  That's how all the dance/club/house music CD's do it - they have a zillion tracks but they all seamless blend together on playback based on the way the DJ mixed them.    Likewise classical music puts each movement on a separate track. 

But if the recording artist crammed all those together on one track there's not much you can do because most  music players (e.g., Sonos, iPod/iTunes, Roku, etc) don't display multi-line tags and almsot all of them come with track-name length limits, too.

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Reply #8 –
Quote from: plnelson on
Quote from: Sgt_Strider on

The album by Green Day, American Idiot, seems to have a peculiar way of naming songs. For example, track number 2, there seems to be five sub-tracks as indicated by the kind of naming scheme on the CD.

Code: [Select]
2. Jesus of Suburbia
              I. Jesus of Suburbia
              II. City of the Damned
              III. I don't Care
              IV. Dearly Beloved
              V. Tales of Another Broken Home


The way how I decided to do the tagging was the following:

Code: [Select]
Green Day - American Idiot - 02 - Jesus Of Suburbia- Jesus of Suburbia,City Of The Damned,I Don't Care,Dearly Beloved,Tales Of Another Broken Home.flac


Would you guys name the file like this? If not, how would you name the file?

I don't understand what you mean by "the kind of naming scheme on the CD".  Do you mean in the liner notes?

On the actual, physical CD how many tracks are represented by the above?  CD's don't have "sub-tracks", so is the above 1 track or 5 tracks?

It's not like this problem hasn't been solved before.    If you want 5 items to blend together you can do it with separate tracks and gapless playback.  That's how all the dance/club/house music CD's do it - they have a zillion tracks but they all seamless blend together on playback based on the way the DJ mixed them.    Likewise classical music puts each movement on a separate track. 

But if the recording artist crammed all those together on one track there's not much you can do because most  music players (e.g., Sonos, iPod/iTunes, Roku, etc) don't display multi-line tags and almsot all of them come with track-name length limits, too.


This is how the CD list the tracks. For track #2, there are actually five sub-tracks listed. I just want to document it in a manner similar to the CD.

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Reply #9 –
Being a Green Day fan and somewhat an audiophile let me put it to you like this, there's a Green Day song called Jesus of Suburbia, there is no Green Day song called City of the Damned, I don't Care, Dearly Beloved or Tales of Another Broken Home. Just stick it in the comments section if you must. Same thing with Homecoming.
[span style=\'font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\']"We will restore chaos"-Bush on Iraq[/span]

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Reply #10 –
Quote from: Sgt_Strider on
Quote from: plnelson on

Quote from: Sgt_Strider on

The album by Green Day, American Idiot, seems to have a peculiar way of naming songs. For example, track number 2, there seems to be five sub-tracks as indicated by the kind of naming scheme on the CD.

Code: [Select]
2. Jesus of Suburbia
              I. Jesus of Suburbia
              II. City of the Damned
              III. I don't Care
              IV. Dearly Beloved
              V. Tales of Another Broken Home


The way how I decided to do the tagging was the following:

Code: [Select]
Green Day - American Idiot - 02 - Jesus Of Suburbia- Jesus of Suburbia,City Of The Damned,I Don't Care,Dearly Beloved,Tales Of Another Broken Home.flac


Would you guys name the file like this? If not, how would you name the file?

I don't understand what you mean by "the kind of naming scheme on the CD".  Do you mean in the liner notes?

On the actual, physical CD how many tracks are represented by the above?  CD's don't have "sub-tracks", so is the above 1 track or 5 tracks?


This is how the CD list the tracks. For track #2, there are actually five sub-tracks listed. I just want to document it in a manner similar to the CD.


Is there any way to make your answer more ambiguous?

I can't parse this:  "This is how the CD list the tracks"

I asked:
Do you mean in the liner notes?

On the actual, physical CD how many tracks are represented by the above?  CD's don't have "sub-tracks", so is the above 1 track or 5 tracks?

Can someone translate this poster's comments?

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Reply #11 –
Quote from: plnelson on

On the actual, physical CD how many tracks are represented by the above?  CD's don't have "sub-tracks", so is the above 1 track or 5 tracks?

He talks about common songs, which were put together to mere medleys instead of storing them independently from each other. That means there's only one CD track which actually consists of multiple compositions. The "sub-tracks" mentioned above are nothing but the titles of the songs found inside the medley. I prepared a small scan to make this issue more understandable:



"Dar-Kunor" and "The Mystic Prophecy of the Demonknight" are typical examples for what we're discussing about.

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Reply #12 –
Quote from: Junon on
I prepared a small scan to make this issue more understandable:



"Dar-Kunor" and "The Mystic Prophecy of the Demonknight" are typical examples for what we're discussing about.


I asked if he meant the liner notes; he coulda just said yes.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying it.

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Reply #13 –
In these cases i use the field SubTitle

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Reply #14 –
It's "Jesus of Suburbia: Jesus of Suburbia / City of the Damned / I Don't Care / Dearly Beloved / Tales of Another Broken Home" on musicbrainz.
 

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Reply #15 –
No