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Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

I have a growing number of DTS WAV albums that I store as FLAC for better tagging. Initially I was listening to these in Winamp with kernel streaming, with the sound card outputting HDMI to a Denon 2808 for decoding.

As I have a number of vintage quad. receivers I want to decode on the PC and use the analogue outs on my sound card to send 4 channels to the receivers. So far I am using AC3Filter with Windows Media Player and Media Player Classic but both give a burst of static between tracks.

(I have only used foobar a little but it errors on Vista 32 with "Failed to load DLL: foo_input_dts.dll
Reason: This component is not compatible with this version of Windows and needs to be recompiled with a newer version of the foobar2000 SDK".)

Is there a better way of playing these?

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Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #1 –
This may be of no help to you whatsoever, but have you tried the Media Player Classic - Homecinema branch of Media Player Classic? Grab it HERE if you fancy having a play.

Cheers. Slipstreem. 

Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Slipstreem on
...have you tried the Media Player Classic - Homecinema branch of Media Player Classic?


Thanks for the tip - I wasn't aware of that version. Unfortunately it behaves the same as far as DTS audio is concerned.

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Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #3 –
AC3Filter with Windows Media Player and Media Player Classic

be careful,
youw ant to play/decode DTS !

I cannot imagine, that ac3filter is able of DTS. As the name says, ac3, which is DD, dolby digital, not DTS.

I could think, that foobar 2000 with dts dll could decode to 5.1 or 4.0 , you would have to select the setup of your speakers in foobar component, dunno, if they are that far in foobar dev.
Maybe foobars dts can only decoide 5.2 DTS to 2.0, i don#t know.

Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #4 –
Quote from: QuadMusic on
(I have only used foobar a little but it errors on Vista 32 with "Failed to load DLL: foo_input_dts.dll
Reason: This component is not compatible with this version of Windows and needs to be recompiled with a newer version of the foobar2000 SDK".)

Look for a more up-to-date version of either foo_dts or foo_input_dts, the newer versions work with 0.9.6.X on Vista.

@user: You cannot tell by the name what a program can do, it supports ac3 and a52
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.

Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #6 –
Quote from: dodog on
Perahaps you could try foo_dsp_fusrround


Thanks. That looks interesting and would do for SQ or QS sources that I have, but it doesn't decode the DTS signal i.e. I only get static.

Surely what I'm trying to do is fairly simple?

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Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #7 –
Quote from: QuadMusic on
Quote from: dodog on

Perahaps you could try foo_dsp_fusrround


Thanks. That looks interesting and would do for SQ or QS sources that I have, but it doesn't decode the DTS signal i.e. I only get static.

Surely what I'm trying to do is fairly simple?

PC



As GeSomeone pointed out, you'll need, at least, foo_dts.  I tried his link and couldn't find the download but this will work:

http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/plugins/show.php?id=177

I've never had problems decoding dts with foo_dts.

Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #8 –
I made  a how-to years ago for this topic,
now I updated it a bit:


HOW-TO: DTS 5.1 How To Play or Burn, security backup

written by user

- Copy your original 5.1/6.1 DTS CD (6.1 ES like Sheryl Crow - Globe Sessions)  eg. by EAC following the Lossless tutorial http://www.angelfire.com/magic2/hq-audio/tut-lossless.htm of http://www.High-Quality.ch.vu to a Lossless format.

- FLAC is preferred, 2nd Wavpack, or monkey's ape, Optimfrog. Shorten shn as format is way too outdated. FLAC is the only format to have industrial commercial support and usage already nowadays in hardware devcies, be it portables (even ipod plays FLAC by Rockbox firmware) or HiFi for listening & living room, eg. media-stations, streaming in the house, even wireless from PC/HD to HiFi.
See FLAC Homepage on sourceforge.

- Storage of these Lossless FLAC albums: eg. on HD, or on DVD+R, both ways are very priceworthy these days. Quality optical media could be even more reliable than HD (longest HD warranty is 5 years by Seagate), quality DVD+R should last at least 10 years or longer.
Examples: DVD+R made by Verbatim (preferred made in Japan or Taiwan, forget about India unfortunately) or directly by Tayo Yuden, Japan. Plextor DVD+R are also made by Tayo Yuden/Japan, also the rare Verbatim Made in Japan.



Example:

dts_song.flac or dts_song.wav

- If you have got your dts.flac, then decode=decompress=convert the Lossless *.flac files to *.wav files  with foobar2000 eg., or winamp or other decoder.
 
Due to the digital character of multichannel-dts-compressed-waves, Lossless FLAC files save about 12% of space compared to dts-waves in the PCM format (16 bit 44,1 kHz stereo container, wav is only a container format). So copying times are reduced by 12%, too.
Another advantage of Lossless files compared to raw wav:  Lossless FLAC files can and should have tags about artist, year, album, track number, song name etc.

- PREPARE CD TO LISTEN
  After getting the ".wav"-files, burn the waves
  on a regular CD (! , CD-R or CD-RW) as CD-AUDIO (CDDA).
  - CD-Extra like in Nero is possible also, advantage: you could add eg. jpg files with the
    scanned artwork, viewable on PC as data track of the CD.
  - Enabling CD-Text in Nero is also a good thing.
 

- PLAY THE CD WITH YOUR SURROUND-EQUIPMENT
  You can use either:

  1) DVD PLAYER (eg. with DTS DIGITAL OUT LOGO, but that is not necessary, if DVD-player plays regular CD-Audio !):
    Connected digitally to your DTS capable surround amplifier.

  2) DVD PLAYER (with build in DTS decoder):
    Connected with 6 analog lines to your surround amplifier.
    ATTENTION: in rare cases, "mixed" CD's (DTS surround AND stereo tracks) do not switch      the  DTS encoder correctly. In this case, just hook up your DVD player digitally to      your amp.

  3) CD PLAYER (yes, good ol' CD !!):
    Using the digital output (optical or coax/RCA) connected digitally to your DTS      surround  equipment.


4) WITHOUT CD- or DVD-player: 

  PC digitally connected to 5.1 amp/receiver with DTS decoder:

Play dts_wav or even better directly the Lossless FLAC files from your PC, eg. from HD or DVD+R :

You need a digital out at PC and digital connection to dts capable amplifier.
Eg. soundcard Terratec EWX 24/96 works.
Configure output as wave_SPDIF or kernel streaming, and try in case of pink noise different settings in WinAmp or better Foobar 2000, like Direct Sound output, wave_out Output or wave_out; don't use Microsoft's (Windows) Soundmapper (primary sound device).
The aim is: the dts_wave/or on-the-fly FLAC-to-wav-decoded must be transmitted without changes to the dts-decoder, which decodes the digital data to analogue sounds.

A soundcard, which samples internally everything to 48 kHz, will destroy the digital  dts or ac3 data.

Evil !

You need a soundcard, which can output digital streams without any changes, like read from source medium, e.g. in 44.1 kHz.
Or try to circumvent somehow the bad soundcard.


5) PC without digital connection to amp, but 5.1 analogue

Today it is also possible to use 5.1 analogue connection to a 5.1 amp.
Try eg. foobar2000 with certain dts-foo-in plugins, play the Lossless FLAC files by the software player like foobar 2000 and use your soundcard with 5.1 analogue out.
 

Best Way To Play DTS WAVs?

Reply #9 –
I believe VLC should also work. At least I use it with my DTS wavs although these are PCM not FLAC. The DTS decoder was removed for a while because of legal threats but that seems to have subsided (was added back a long time ago actually)