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Need help creating my first audio CD-r with CD-text in years

So I'm trying to burn an audio cd-r that will be released as an actual album for sale in small quantities. My aim is to create a CD that closely resembles a pressed CD and will work in almost all CD players (so no loose mp3 files laying around on a random disc), so I'm using a single WAV file and a cue sheet to create the 6 tracks. I have manually created the cue sheet because I could not find the perfect tool for making CUE sheets for single files (although CD Wave Editor did help me a little).

Everything looked good in ImgBurn when I loaded the cue sheet, except that ImgBurn added a 2 second pre-gap that I could not remove, but that wasn't a big problem for me. I burned it using my Optiarc DVD RW AD-5260S on Verbatim Super AZ0 Crystal CD-r's (I'm saving my Verbatim "music" cd-r's for when I get the perfect disc setup). The CD-r burned fine, but when I loaded it EAC or other problems can not read the CD-text, but I did however see 6 separate tracks with the correct lengths.

Would anybody be able to help me do this perfectly? Any idea why the CD-text did not work? Is it the software, the cue sheet, my burner or the CD-r type? Am I doing the correct choice going for single-file cue sheets?

FYI the perfect "master" CD-r will be sent to a duplication plant for duplication and graphical print on the discs.

Here's my cue sheet:

Code: [Select]
PERFORMER "ASDF"
SONGWRITER "Random Songwriter"
TITLE "Random Album 1"
FILE "J:\Master file.wav" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Test 1"
    PERFORMER "ASDF"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Test 2"
    PERFORMER "ASDF"
    INDEX 01 02:09:51
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    TITLE "Test 3"
    PERFORMER "ASDF"
    INDEX 01 07:45:66
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    TITLE "Test 4"
    PERFORMER "ASDF"
    INDEX 01 11:53:54
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    TITLE "Test 5"
    PERFORMER "ASDF"
    INDEX 01 21:29:71
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    TITLE "Test 6"
    PERFORMER "ASDF"
    INDEX 01 25:57:57


EDIT: If possible I would also like to add ISRC/UPC and all that good stuff, but EAC keeps crashing when it doing the test to see if my burner supports this.

Re: Need help creating my first audio CD-r with CD-text in years

Reply #1 –
Nothing wrong with the cue sheet (assuming the .wav is longer than 25:57:57).

Drives vary in their ability to read and write CD-TEXT. Try a different drive.

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Reply #2 –
Is there an utility I can use to check if my drive can write CD-text?

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Reply #3 –
I just noticed that Nero can actually read the titles of the tracks, but most other programs could not, so that still mean that the original failed, but somewhere on that burned CD, the info still retained.

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Reply #4 –
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I just noticed that Nero can actually read the titles of the tracks, but most other programs could not
Most player software doesn't read CD text.   It takes a "fingerprint" of the CD and downloads the information from an online database.  (Then it may keep a local database for CDs you've played.)   Of course, your homemade CDs are not in the online database.

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Reply #5 –
Ah. That is actually kinda critical information, I need to test this is in an actual CD player then. But this does however mean that to make a CD-r that closely resembles a professional pressed CD, I will lose offline "id3" tags?

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Reply #6 –
It is sounding more and more like you are trying to match a particular pressed CD in every possible way, something you really have no legitimate reason to do. While people here do have the technical knowledge to help you get closer to that goal, IMO it is sounding too much like you are asking for help with a bootlegging operation, and this thread should be closed for straying too close to a TOS#9 violation.

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Reply #7 –
I run a record label, and we suddenly have a band that wants a small number of CD-r's (50) as well (which we haven't done before), so I'm trying to do the burning myself to save money. We have cases, booklets (with an unique EAN barcode), professional graphic print on the cd-r's, ISRC codes and a digital master file. The vinyl is about 4 weeks in the making and I have been licensed the rights to the music by the band.

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Reply #8 –
Tags in the files are useless; they do not go on the CD. The only things you can put on the CD are things that can go in the cue sheet. ISRCs can go in the cue sheet; they are commonly included on pressed discs. CD-TEXT is actually rarely found on pressed CDs; the only time I've ever seen it, it was all caps and incomplete, not as good as the external databases. Pre-populating the free external metadata databases like freedb, CTDB, MusicBrainz, etc. and the commercial databases like Gracenote is something you can try to do by ripping the CD with rippers which allow you to manually enter the track info and submit it to those databases. I think you can use iTunes to submit to Gracenote.

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Reply #9 –
Thanks, this is of great help! It seems like I've been going at it wrongly then. I'm a metadata nerd, so I'll happily add the information to those databases.

I think that the way to go is just to create a CD-r behaving like a CD-r. The artwork already has "CDr" written behind the catalog number, so it's not like we were trying to fool anybody, it was just my mission to make a CD-r that would work on all players, even older ones.

As far as I can tell, it does not really matter if I use a single file cue sheet or just separate wave files with multiple file cue sheets. It's more convenient for me to use multiple files, so I think I'll go ahead and do that instead. Without the CD-text to really think about, I'm pretty much set to go.

Oh and by the way, I do use my 16bit masters, and not my 24bit masters for CD(-r), right?

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Reply #10 –
I needed to burn a few CDs last Christmas, which was the first time in years. My CD burner of choice years ago was Burrrn, but as you can see the website has expired now. You can still view it via the Internet Archive.

You can also still download it from the Internet Archive (at the time of posting), but I also added it here for when it is no longer available.

I managed to get it to work on my laptop running Win 7 64-bit SP1. Others report it doesn't work for Win 7+. It supports CD-Text and is super easy to use, so worth a try.

I have also used cdrtfe, which is still actively updated. Another option for you.

Good luck.

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Reply #11 –
CD audio is 16-bit, 44.1 kHz. If your audio is in any other format, your burning software will either reject it or will do its own conversion to the right format, and you probably don't want to rely on it to do that.

Changing bit depth from 24 to 16 is not a big deal, but any change in sample rate is risky; you need to use software which will not add audible artifacts in the process. Let us know if your 16-bit masters are not 44100 Hz.

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Reply #12 –
They're 16bit, 44.1KHz, thanks!

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Reply #13 –
Quote from: jaybeee on
I needed to burn a few CDs last Christmas, which was the first time in years. My CD burner of choice years ago was Burrrn, but as you can see the website has expired now. You can still view it via the Internet Archive.

You can also still download it from the Internet Archive (at the time of posting), but I also added it here for when it is no longer available.

I managed to get it to work on my laptop running Win 7 64-bit SP1. Others report it doesn't work for Win 7+. It supports CD-Text and is super easy to use, so worth a try.

I have also used cdrtfe, which is still actively updated. Another option for you.

Good luck.

I can't get Burrrn to accept my WAV files, it will only take mp3s for me.

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Reply #14 –
Anyway, I was able to create a good CD-r. Foobar2000 can actually read the CD-text, but it could not see any ISRC anywhere, so my burner might not support this. Nero did the job.

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Reply #15 –
Nero can't correct for your drive's write offset if it has one; neither can burrrn.  EAC can. It may even get you your ISRC data.

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Reply #16 –
I wasn't able to get the offset with EAC last month, but I'll try again just in case, haven't sent the cd-r for duplication yet.

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Reply #17 –
Both "create offset test cd" and "detect write features" will just stay with a full "done" bar and 0:00 seconds remaining forever. I have to end the process to make the program work again, but I do at least know that the read offset is +48 on my drive..

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Reply #18 –
yeahh
 

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Reply #19 –
ImgBurn can create and burn audio CDs with CD Text.  My car can read CD Text so I know it works.  Try to find a ~10 year old car as a test reader.