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Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #25 –
I just have some lossless albums on my notebooks, encoded with 3.98 at -c2000 (= normal). A fresh encoding with 3.99F shows slight improvements in bitrate. Here are the results for three discs :

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3.98 : 293 Mo (308 005 231 octets)
3.99 : 292 Mo (306 521 639 octets)

3.98 : 222 Mo (233 703 319 octets)
3.99 : 221 Mo (232 513 063 octets)

3.98 : 214 Mo (224 505 884 octets)
3.99 : 213 Mo (224 184 296 octets)


Note that all these discs are classical music (Vivaldi & Haydn Concertos and contempory chamber music for the last one), and average bitrate is generally more friendly than with other kind of music (~41% on average - tested on > 300 CD).

Seems to be worth to upgrade, though I didn't test encoding and decoding speed.
Wavpack Hybrid: one encoder for all scenarios
WavPack -c4.5hx6 (44100Hz & 48000Hz) ≈ 390 kbps + correction file
WavPack -c4hx6 (96000Hz) ≈ 768 kbps + correction file
WavPack -h (SACD & DSD) ≈ 2400 kbps at 2.8224 MHz

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #26 –
I have tested 7 files with maximum compression.

1: 10 CC - The wall street shuffle.wav
2: 10,000 Maniacs - Noahs dove.wav
3: 3 Doors down - When I'm gone.wav
4: Abba - Dancing queen.wav
5: Air - Cherry blossom girl.wav
6: Bob Marley - Is this love.wav
7: DJ Food - Strange taste.wav



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        APE 3.97              APE 3.99     
WAV    time      Kbit/s      time      Kbit/s
------------------------------------------------
1       0:20      795         0:21     789
2       0:23      919         0:24     914
3       0:22      921         0:24     916
4       0:20      937         0:21     932
5       0:19      909         0:21     901
6       0:20      855         0:23     855
7       0:09      754         0:10     749
------------------------------------------------
100%   62.50%                62.13%

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Reply #27 –
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WavPack 4.0 stable would be nice too, say, tomorrow? 

Or maybe a Release Candidate the day after tomorrow..

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #28 –
Heh, I gave the new version a quick test on ~25 random tunes:

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3.97 -extra high 57.81% - 481.1s to decode
3.99 -extra high 57.43% - 540.9s to decode
3.99 -insane 57.42% . . . 1 week to decode


So that's about 6mb saved for each gb of ape's by moving to the new extra high, but is that worth the 12% higher decode time?

It'd be interesting to know what -insane does at the moment.  I know it's experimental still, but it saved about 300kb in a gig of waves and adds 3s to seek times
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Reply #29 –
Has anybody else tried playing 3.97 files with the 3.99 Winamp plugin?  I get a noticable skip between tracks which is fixed by reinstalling 3.97 and it's version of the Winamp plugin..

Just to clarify, this is playing 3.97 -extra high files, not the new insane files which suffer megalag..  hmmz.. 
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Reply #30 –
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Thanks Case! Good to have you back. 

   
It's My Life,
It's Now Or Never,
I Ain't Gonna Live Forever,
I Just Want To Live While I'm Alive.

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #31 –
I frequently get checksum errors when seeking quickly through ape files at normal compression and above.  Fast compression doesn't seem to have this problem though.

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ERROR (foo_ape) : invalid checksum


Is this a known problem?

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #32 –
Still no pipe support for mac.exe, pitty.

edit:
oh one more thing, why is the decoding so terribly slow ?
Dimitris

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Reply #33 –
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Available here: http://www.monkeysaudio.com/download.html

Version 3.99 (April 29, 2004)

1. Changed: Decoding engine better at handling corrupt streams / loss of internet connection while playing.
2. Changed: Simplified assembly code building for 3rd party developers.
3. NEW: Improved entropy coder for increased compression.
4. Changed: Removed RKAU support. (since it is no longer commonly used)

hmm.... i coundn't get it work, it just says "i/o error" everytime i try to start the compression...

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Reply #34 –
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Is Monkey's Audio open source now?  I saw this on the homepage.

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Freely available source code, simple SDK and non-restrictive licensing - other developers can easily use Monkey's Audio in their own programs -- and there are no evil restrictive licensing agreements

Short answer: no

The following was moved to off-topic the last time this came up:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....=17&t=17485&st=

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Reply #35 –
Offhand comments:

It seems a bit strange to call this a point release (point .02 actually) when the new encoder breaks the old decoder.

Thank you Case for those quick foobar updates.  Perhaps you have not completely lost interest, or you just like Monkey's a bunch.

It would be nice if the mac dll could be obtained without downloading and installing the entire 3 mb package.

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #37 –
Update on my website, including Monkey's 3.99, see the www link below.
Using Monkey's interface for now, because the 3.99 mac.exe is still missing.

Apple and Real lossless still to do.

Please comment on missing/broken links, errors, or whatever I may have overlooked!

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #38 –
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Update on my website, including Monkey's 3.99, see the www link below.

for all those who don't see a link below      ...
look here.

comments:
you might want to define what the %-values on the y-axis stand for (though it's pretty obious, but still...)
Nothing but a Heartache - Since I found my Baby ;)

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #39 –
Done, added that X/Y-axis talk on the main page. Not in the graphs, don't want to waste space over there!
Also Apple lossless has just been added, and indeed its compression is close to FLAC.
I ditched BONK for that, but under "ALL (old)" the previous graphs are kept for comparison.

Edit: BTW, yet again there is a link below  But seriously, is there a chance Digga can't see the PM/email/www buttons? Mods?

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Reply #40 –
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Edit: BTW, yet again there is a link below   But seriously, is there a chance Digga can't see the PM/email/www buttons? Mods?

hrm. it seems that a certain person... *someone in the audiece asks: 'is it Digga?', but is booed down immediately by the crowd* ...has indeed the ability to NOT see special types of buttons, which are deeply hidden in the board structure... 
I'm just realy used to hyperlinks and didn't look at these little buttons... my bad.

[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']edit: typos[/span]
Nothing but a Heartache - Since I found my Baby ;)

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Reply #41 –
my result

original:
49,575,980 bytes (100 %)
2,116 kbps

3.99 extra high:
31,090,936 bytes (62.713 %)
1,328 kbps
comp. time (about): 10.5 sec.

3.99 insaine:
31,931,644 bytes (64.409 %)
1,363 kbps
comp. time (about): 35 sec.

why dose "insane" make bigger file than "extra high" ?
<name>madoka</name>

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Reply #42 –
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why dose "insane" make bigger file than "extra high" ?

Please keep in mind insane is an experimental mode.

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Reply #43 –
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Please keep in mind insane is an experimental mode.


OK. i'll keep in mind. thanks.

add result at same sample (TOM WAITS in the neiborhood).

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3.99 extra high:
31,090,936 bytes (62.713 %)
1,328 kbps
comp. time (about): 10.5 sec.


3.98 extra high:
31,168,364 bytes (62.869 %)
1,331 kbps
comp. time (about): 10.1 sec.

in this sample, 3.98 faster than 3.99, but 3.99 smaller than 3.98.

i wll use new 3.99 CUI version. many thanks for Case.
<name>madoka</name>

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Reply #44 –
Matt has updated 3.99 

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Monkey's Audio 3.99 Update 1

Just updated the MAC 3.99 download.

It should have the new MAC.exe and also a MAC.dll and MAC.exe that work under Win9x. (keep in mind that MAC now requires Unicows.dll to be in the system directory on Win9x machines)

If other components don't work properly on Win9x, please let me know.

Thanks everyone.

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #47 –
Is it OK that the foobar2000 plugin produces slightly different files than the current 3.99 encoder? They both decode to the same WAV, though.

Edit: Sorry, the WAV files are not the same. I will compress a WAV with Monkey's Audio and decode it back. Anyway, as I said, when comparing the decoded WAVs from 3.97 with the ones from 3.99, they do not match.

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #48 –
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Is it OK that the foobar2000 plugin produces slightly different files than the current 3.99 encoder? They both decode to the same WAV, though.

Tags?

Monkey's Audio 3.99 released

Reply #49 –
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Edit: Sorry, the WAV files are not the same. I will compress a WAV with Monkey's Audio and decode it back. Anyway, as I said, when comparing the decoded WAVs from 3.97 with the ones from 3.99, they do not match.

What does foobar2000's "bit compare" tell you?