graph shows 320 kbps LAME 'never achieves transparency'? Reply #50 – 2011-08-31 23:02:28 Quote from: MichaelW on 2011-08-31 22:56:04BTW, perceptually indistinguishable to whom, under what circumstances, always, sometimes?To quote your previous post:Quote"transparent" means that in a particular (series of) test(s), particular listener(s) were unable to tell the difference between specific lossily-coded sample(s) and their original(s).That or in the general sense: a given setting producing lossy encodes indistinguishable from their sources for most material, as hopefully represented in a subset; when listened to by most individuals, as hopefully represented by the cross-section of users participating in the sum total of listening tests previously performed on that setting.I mean, you specifically qualified both of these, so are we just nit-picking for its own sake now? All this really shows is that both listening and language are subjective. So? I would say that Hydrogenaudio and all other similarly evidence-based initiatives are doing a pretty good job despite these inherent and ineradicable limitations, if you want to call them that.