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New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #25
Truly missing samples are truly missing.  If a sector is partially unrecoverable, the only thing you can do is software filtering after the fact.  There are software filters that do a good job (I designed some of them), and I do plan to add one to cdparanoia in the future.  Now that some drives report real C2 flags (as opposed to 2001-ish when many drives supported the feature by handing back bogus information that 'appoximated' the real data), there will be a more reliable way to do this than had originally been in Paranoia II, which I never added to Paranoia III because it just didn't work that well.

However, that will still be, in a sense, manufactured information.  I'm not really sure why you think you'd get 100% rip reproducability out of a disc with literal holes in the media!  The original pupose of cdparanoia is to make the drive behave, including getting a stable read (one that doesn't skip, even if it can't completely repair the damage) around media inconsistencies.  Even good drives will often skip on minor scratches that simple retry/compare fixes nicely. I haven't implemented the magic flag to make all heavy damage go away yet. I'm not actually being sarcastic here, some of the reconstruction filters are really damned good, if I can get reliable information from the read about which samples are suspect.

Oh, and FWIW, there are no magic FUA commands on modern IDE/SATA ATAPI/MMC drives.  There are commands in the command set (such as SET READAHEAD, 0xA7) that mandate specific cache side effects that *look* like they will be useful, but I've not found a drive yet that actually obeys the spec.  I didn't even bother adding the commands to 10.2 (although A7 was in SVN for testing for a little while).  Of my 10 main testing drives, 8 accepted the command.  7 then performed none of mandated cache side effects.  The eighth did.. something kinda random (flushed cache depending on how the request intersected, then completely spun down, or just ignored the command entirely).  I had one report from a beta tester that said the A7 command worked properly on his drive, but reduced its performance to around 2x before any of the retry/compare operations.  So... not acceptable.

Similarly, the various cache extents options avilable through MODE SET 10/12 nearly always only apply to data discs.  The requests are either rejected, or accepted but ignored for redbook discs.  I'm not sure how any other ripper thinks it's actually disabling the drive cache by flipping a switch.  Sure, the drives accept the commands, but if you actually check what the drive is doing, the commands *don't actually work on audio discs*.

So, cdparanoia 10,2 times every operation and compares the drive behavior to the cache model.  If a seek should have happened, but a read comes back in only 2ms, it knows that something went wrong.  No, this is not used a primary defense-- it's merely an additional safeguard on top of the new cache model (because the -A analysis is far too heavyweight to run before every rip and drive behaviors change from exact medium to exact medium.  A cyanine CDR may not be read the same way as an aluminum commercial pressing, etc...).

Monty
xiph.org


Thanks for the response ---- and software --- which I somewhat much understand in a non-programers kinda way.

The disk was certainly an extreme case - the only one I have in my collection that I didn't (couldn't) repair.
And I know that there's a lot of missing data there, and any rip will have that filled in with a guess of some sort. I've ripped the disk before with XLD with very good, no real audible problem results.
So far the new version froze up my computer on two different attempts - one with caching off, and one on. Just my results so far with this particular disk on one particular drive.
I'll be heading to the library to find some more "normal" damage disks to try.

I actually got extremely good results before with the Paranoia II paired with a couple of good caching drives. It definitely improved their performance on problem disks. I'm looking forward to trying out P III some more.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #26
Hey,

When you say the computer 'froze up', do you mean:

1) The computer really froze.  You couldn't type, use other programs, etc...

2) The drive seemed to freeze; this is known to be a problem with Plextors, which since late 2000 have tried to implement their own paranoia-like features in hardware, but are doing it with 1/1,000,000 the resources, so the drives will literally go nonresponsive for minutes at a time.  The freaks the kernel right out.

3) The drive and ripper kept running but made no progress.

Possibility 3 is the result of a limitation in cdparanoia's current voting algorithm.  It only accepts perfect entropy matches before proceeding, rather than allowing 'merely good matches' and then filling in missing data later (mainly because it can't actually fill in missing data later, not yet).  This is the primary difference between Paranoia II and Paranoia III. 

Correcting case 3 above is imperative to making cdparanoia and the multirippers that use it (like rubyripper) work better.  Rubyripper is mighty unhappy if cdparanoia freezes up, but is also mighty unhappy if the only thing it can do is turn off the verification, than have to deal with rip after rip that just don't match.

Possibility 2 I'm looking for a solution.  MMC gives ways of controlling this aspect of drive behavior, but in general drive manufacturers don't bother to implement alot of it, and Plextor is no exception.  Their drives are nice but the whole 'goes out to lunch for five minutes at random intervals upon hitting a fingerprint' is just *maddening*.  Really guys, we can do it better in software on the host.  Give switches for this kind of stuff plzkthx.

Possibility 1: Well, I feel for you and I'm sorry :-)

10.2 should bring cdparanoia back to its glory days when it handled just about any drive out there and did so when many other rippers fell down.  Once things settle out and it's clear that 10.2's new code succeeds at this, then it's time to finally move beyond again and rethink old Paranoia II features that were *great*--- when they worked, which wasn't often enough to take seriously.

BTW, folks, I'm very interested to see the -A results from a bunch of drives in the wild.  Testing during pre-release could only check so many.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #27
It was #1 - Pity me.

The drive slowed down, and then stalled at "The Hole". CPU use ran up to 100%, and stayed there.
On the second try, I let the rip run while I slept, and woke to a unresponsive, fan whirring, need to shut down with the power button computer.

I was using a Plextor 230, which I don't usually use with Paranoia - it works well, but has always run very slow with it for some reason.

The current version of XLD seems to not be working with my firewire drive, so I'm trying out my Matshita internal a bit. Last time I tried them, I thought the name was pretty appropriate.

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New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #28
So, cdparanoia 10,2 times every operation and compares the drive behavior to the cache model.  If a seek should have happened, but a read comes back in only 2ms, it knows that something went wrong.  No, this is not used a primary defense-- it's merely an additional safeguard on top of the new cache model (because the -A analysis is far too heavyweight to run before every rip and drive behaviors change from exact medium to exact medium.  A cyanine CDR may not be read the same way as an aluminum commercial pressing, etc...).


Thank you for clarifying all of this, Monty.

Am I misreading this, or do I take the above to mean that in order to obtain optimal performance with cdparanoia 10.2,  it is beneficial to first use the (-A) option for a drive?

More to the point: XLD does not (yet) allow for the use of the (-A) option. Will cdparanoia performance suffer if one is using XLD "straight out of the box," i.e. not having the ability to perform an initial cache analysis?

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #29
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Am I misreading this, or do I take the above to mean that in order to obtain optimal performance with cdparanoia 10.2,  it is beneficial to first use the (-A) option for a drive?


No, not at all.  it only gives more information.  It also is a way of checking to see if your drive is weirder than I planned for, but -A does not change anything about ripping.

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More to the point: XLD does not (yet) allow for the use of the (-A) option. Will cdparanoia performance suffer if one is using XLD "straight out of the box," i.e. not having the ability to perform an initial cache analysis?


Nope, stright out of the box will be fine.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #30
Thanks, Monty! And great job with 10.2. Your work is much appreciated.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #31
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Does the new release remove all concerns of using cdparanoia with a caching drive, or are there still other inherent problems? It seems like drive caching is one of the big negatives for cdparanoia based rippers.


It should be. Some people will find something else to complain about next though. 


I would go and change this in the wiki, but the only problem is the developers of other applications that use cdparanoia will take about five years to upgrade to the newest version that fixes the caching problem that includes CDex as well. 



Did they just implement a vanilla version of cdparanoia in CDex or did they have to modify it somehow to get it to work in Win32?

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #32
Did they just implement a vanilla version of cdparanoia in CDex or did they have to modify it somehow to get it to work in Win32?


They'd have had to write a new interface layer, although that's not necessarily complicated.  The reason it had always been such a big deal in the past on Linux was that you needed to support ten completely different kernel interfaces depending on the kind of drive.  These days (2.6) that's finally come down to one sane interface.  The paranoia side of things doesn't care about platform so long as it has a 'read' call and the drive is already set up to go.

Whatever the old layer CDEx was using before will still work, they'll simply need to wrap the read requests in a monotonic timer, and I'd be pretty surprised if Win32 doesn't offer that out of the box.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #33
I seem to be having bad luck with Paranoia III so far. These are two rips of the same mildly scratched CD with the internal drive in a MacBook:

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XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-15 15:49:26 -0400

Various Artists / Whatever - The 90's Pop & Culture Box

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R  UJ-857E (revision ZF1E)

Use cdparanoia mode    : NO
Disable audio cache    : NO
Read offset correction : 48
Max retry count        : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
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        3  | 08:05:40 | 03:41:13 |    36415    |    53002 
        4  | 11:46:53 | 03:15:55 |    53003    |    67682 
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        7  | 22:02:51 | 04:28:32 |    99201    |  119332 
        8  | 26:31:08 | 04:46:14 |    119333    |  140796 
        9  | 31:17:22 | 04:33:28 |    140797    |  161299 
      10  | 35:50:50 | 02:53:26 |    161300    |  174300 
      11  | 38:44:01 | 03:25:15 |    174301    |  189690 
      12  | 42:09:16 | 03:58:16 |    189691    |  207556 
      13  | 46:07:32 | 04:06:47 |    207557    |  226053 
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      16  | 59:16:31 | 03:27:29 |    266731    |  282284 
      17  | 62:43:60 | 03:59:04 |    282285    |  300213 
      18  | 66:42:64 | 05:03:44 |    300214    |  322982 
      19  | 71:46:33 | 04:13:20 |    322983    |  341977 

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    ------------------------------------------
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Track 01
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/01 Various Artists - Itszoweezee (Hot).aiff

    CRC32 hash            : FB1407A9
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : FA76B8BF
    AccurateRip signature  : F65F6BC7
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 02
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/02 Various Artists - Lovefool.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : D9F4A118
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 1204805B
    AccurateRip signature  : FD24178F
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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Track 03
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/03 Various Artists - Radiation Vibe.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 5910D9CE
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A7C7E4B3
    AccurateRip signature  : 2A610332
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 04
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/04 Various Artists - The Impression That I Get.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 9461432F
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 974BC3E6
    AccurateRip signature  : 815932F8
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 05
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/05 Various Artists - Turn It On.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 4400BEBA
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A676F301
    AccurateRip signature  : 36D13166
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 06
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/06 Various Artists - Bitch.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 17E3D638
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E1E54103
    AccurateRip signature  : 6058930B
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 07
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/07 Various Artists - Mmmbop.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 48EA5663
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 0C69E29D
    AccurateRip signature  : 4411DFDE
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 08
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/08 Various Artists - Brian Wilson.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : B6A08419
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 8648178C
    AccurateRip signature  : 9286C262
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 09
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/09 Various Artists - Brick.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : ED428075
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 2019BBDD
    AccurateRip signature  : 28D64736
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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Track 10
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/10 Various Artists - Sex And Candy.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 42FFB0E2
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 4C630465
    AccurateRip signature  : 46F7B6BC
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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Track 11
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/11 Various Artists - Walkin' On The Sun.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 8BB8EFEE
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 26C12E7C
    AccurateRip signature  : 2EC9181C
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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Track 12
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/12 Various Artists - Tubthumping.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 2D8609D2
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 31E49FF7
    AccurateRip signature  : F52A197D
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 13
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/13 Various Artists - 6 Underground.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 70D89F7B
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E62270C8
    AccurateRip signature  : 33322F79
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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Track 14
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/14 Various Artists - Lullaby.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : EF94D9A3
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 390CD1EB
    AccurateRip signature  : E7361AE7
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 15
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/15 Various Artists - Slide.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 1601A8EC
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 7061D271
    AccurateRip signature  : 04D9DB7F
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 16
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/16 Various Artists - Kiss Me.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : F20980F6
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 75B48000
    AccurateRip signature  : 3E4922D5
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 17
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/17 Various Artists - Steal My Sunshine.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : B72354FA
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 67624197
    AccurateRip signature  : 373933C8
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 18
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/18 Various Artists - What It's Like.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 90E7EADD
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 1A70DDB4
    AccurateRip signature  : ECDC8F41
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 19
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/19 Various Artists - Natural Blues.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 7CDF011B
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 7906D60C
    AccurateRip signature  : 8BCFC798
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

End of status report
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X Lossless Decoder version 20080916 (91.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-15 15:17:24 -0400

Various Artists / Whatever - The 90's Pop & Culture Box

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R  UJ-857E (revision ZF1E)

Use cdparanoia mode    : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache    : NO
Read offset correction : 48
Max retry count        : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
    Track |  Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  | 00:00:00 | 04:49:58 |        0    |    21732 
        2  | 04:49:58 | 03:15:57 |    21733    |    36414 
        3  | 08:05:40 | 03:41:13 |    36415    |    53002 
        4  | 11:46:53 | 03:15:55 |    53003    |    67682 
        5  | 15:02:33 | 02:47:24 |    67683    |    80231 
        6  | 17:49:57 | 04:12:69 |    80232    |    99200 
        7  | 22:02:51 | 04:28:32 |    99201    |  119332 
        8  | 26:31:08 | 04:46:14 |    119333    |  140796 
        9  | 31:17:22 | 04:33:28 |    140797    |  161299 
      10  | 35:50:50 | 02:53:26 |    161300    |  174300 
      11  | 38:44:01 | 03:25:15 |    174301    |  189690 
      12  | 42:09:16 | 03:58:16 |    189691    |  207556 
      13  | 46:07:32 | 04:06:47 |    207557    |  226053 
      14  | 50:14:04 | 05:28:58 |    226054    |  250711 
      15  | 55:42:62 | 03:33:44 |    250712    |  266730 
      16  | 59:16:31 | 03:27:29 |    266731    |  282284 
      17  | 62:43:60 | 03:59:04 |    282285    |  300213 
      18  | 66:42:64 | 05:03:44 |    300214    |  322982 
      19  | 71:46:33 | 04:13:20 |    322983    |  341977 

List of suggested offset correction values
        #  | Absolute | Relative | Confidence
    ------------------------------------------
        1  |    102  |    54  |      6   

Track 01
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/01 Various Artists - Itszoweezee (Hot).aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/01 Various Artists - Itszoweezee (Hot).m4a
    CRC32 hash            : FB1407A9
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : FA76B8BF
    AccurateRip signature  : F65F6BC7
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
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        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 1
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 02
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/02 Various Artists - Lovefool.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/02 Various Artists - Lovefool.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : D9F4A118
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 1204805B
    AccurateRip signature  : FD24178F
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 03
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/03 Various Artists - Radiation Vibe.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/03 Various Artists - Radiation Vibe.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 5910D9CE
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A7C7E4B3
    AccurateRip signature  : 2A610332
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 04
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/04 Various Artists - The Impression That I Get.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/04 Various Artists - The Impression That I Get.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 9461432F
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 974BC3E6
    AccurateRip signature  : 815932F8
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 05
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/05 Various Artists - Turn It On.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/05 Various Artists - Turn It On.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 77B4A906
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C5A7A29B
    AccurateRip signature  : 664B49C6
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 06
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/06 Various Artists - Bitch.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/06 Various Artists - Bitch.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 17E3D638
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E1E54103
    AccurateRip signature  : 6058930B
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 07
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/07 Various Artists - Mmmbop.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/07 Various Artists - Mmmbop.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 48EA5663
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 0C69E29D
    AccurateRip signature  : 4411DFDE
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 08
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/08 Various Artists - Brian Wilson.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/08 Various Artists - Brian Wilson.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : B6A08419
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 8648178C
    AccurateRip signature  : 9286C262
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 1
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 1
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 09
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/09 Various Artists - Brick.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/09 Various Artists - Brick.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : ED428075
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 2019BBDD
    AccurateRip signature  : 28D64736
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 10
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/10 Various Artists - Sex And Candy.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/10 Various Artists - Sex And Candy.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 42FFB0E2
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 4C630465
    AccurateRip signature  : 46F7B6BC
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 11
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/11 Various Artists - Walkin' On The Sun.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/11 Various Artists - Walkin' On The Sun.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 8BB8EFEE
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 26C12E7C
    AccurateRip signature  : 2EC9181C
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 1
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 12
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/12 Various Artists - Tubthumping.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/12 Various Artists - Tubthumping.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 2D8609D2
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 31E49FF7
    AccurateRip signature  : F52A197D
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 13
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/13 Various Artists - 6 Underground.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/13 Various Artists - 6 Underground.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 70D89F7B
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E62270C8
    AccurateRip signature  : 33322F79
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 14
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/14 Various Artists - Lullaby.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/14 Various Artists - Lullaby.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : EF94D9A3
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 390CD1EB
    AccurateRip signature  : E7361AE7
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 15
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/15 Various Artists - Slide.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/15 Various Artists - Slide.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 1601A8EC
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 7061D271
    AccurateRip signature  : 04D9DB7F
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 16
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/16 Various Artists - Kiss Me.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/16 Various Artists - Kiss Me.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : F20980F6
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 75B48000
    AccurateRip signature  : 3E4922D5
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 17
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/17 Various Artists - Steal My Sunshine.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/17 Various Artists - Steal My Sunshine.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : B72354FA
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 67624197
    AccurateRip signature  : 373933C8
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 3
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 2
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 1
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 18
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/18 Various Artists - What It's Like.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/18 Various Artists - What It's Like.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 90E7EADD
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 1A70DDB4
    AccurateRip signature  : ECDC8F41
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

Track 19
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/19 Various Artists - Natural Blues.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/19 Various Artists - Natural Blues.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 7CDF011B
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 7906D60C
    AccurateRip signature  : 8BCFC798
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report

Problems showing up in the Paranoia III rip that weren't there in the basic rip.

Is this just happening to me?

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #34
I seem to be having bad luck with Paranoia III so far. These are two rips of the same mildly scratched CD with the internal drive in a MacBook:

Problems showing up in the Paranoia III rip that weren't there in the basic rip.

Is this just happening to me?


I don't see any problems... two rips of a mildly scratched disk differ.  Every scratch destroys bits.  Each and every one.  The drive (or software) has to make up bits to fill in the missing areas, and that process is going to differ each time because those missing bits of 'groove' read like digital static, shredded ribbons flapping in the wind.  The edges are usually not going to read exactly the same way. so the reconstruction is set up slightly differently each time.  That will be true even once cdparanoia is able to read and report the C2 flags and do the software reconstruction itself.  The differece is only that it will tell you exactly where this happened.

It is amusing to see folks so obsessed with perfect rip reproduction, but using damaged media to do it :-)  'Repair' is not a word that means 'conjure missing bits back from the void'. In this context it means 'the result still sounds good, and you'd never notice the difference without a direct comparison'.

Of course, on a flawless disc, the result should be exactly the same every time.

Monty

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #35
I seem to be having bad luck with Paranoia III so far. These are two rips of the same mildly scratched CD with the internal drive in a MacBook:

Code: [Select]
X Lossless Decoder version 20080916 (91.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-15 15:49:26 -0400

Various Artists / Whatever - The 90's Pop & Culture Box

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R  UJ-857E (revision ZF1E)

Use cdparanoia mode    : NO
Disable audio cache    : NO
Read offset correction : 48
Max retry count        : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
    Track |  Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  | 00:00:00 | 04:49:58 |        0    |    21732 
        2  | 04:49:58 | 03:15:57 |    21733    |    36414 
        3  | 08:05:40 | 03:41:13 |    36415    |    53002 
        4  | 11:46:53 | 03:15:55 |    53003    |    67682 
        5  | 15:02:33 | 02:47:24 |    67683    |    80231 
        6  | 17:49:57 | 04:12:69 |    80232    |    99200 
        7  | 22:02:51 | 04:28:32 |    99201    |  119332 
        8  | 26:31:08 | 04:46:14 |    119333    |  140796 
        9  | 31:17:22 | 04:33:28 |    140797    |  161299 
      10  | 35:50:50 | 02:53:26 |    161300    |  174300 
      11  | 38:44:01 | 03:25:15 |    174301    |  189690 
      12  | 42:09:16 | 03:58:16 |    189691    |  207556 
      13  | 46:07:32 | 04:06:47 |    207557    |  226053 
      14  | 50:14:04 | 05:28:58 |    226054    |  250711 
      15  | 55:42:62 | 03:33:44 |    250712    |  266730 
      16  | 59:16:31 | 03:27:29 |    266731    |  282284 
      17  | 62:43:60 | 03:59:04 |    282285    |  300213 
      18  | 66:42:64 | 05:03:44 |    300214    |  322982 
      19  | 71:46:33 | 04:13:20 |    322983    |  341977 

List of suggested offset correction values
        #  | Absolute | Relative | Confidence
    ------------------------------------------
        1  |    102  |    54  |      6   

Track 01
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/01 Various Artists - Itszoweezee (Hot).aiff

    CRC32 hash            : FB1407A9
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : FA76B8BF
    AccurateRip signature  : F65F6BC7
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 02
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/02 Various Artists - Lovefool.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : D9F4A118
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 1204805B
    AccurateRip signature  : FD24178F
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 03
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/03 Various Artists - Radiation Vibe.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 5910D9CE
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A7C7E4B3
    AccurateRip signature  : 2A610332
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 04
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/04 Various Artists - The Impression That I Get.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 9461432F
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 974BC3E6
    AccurateRip signature  : 815932F8
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 05
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/05 Various Artists - Turn It On.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 4400BEBA
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : A676F301
    AccurateRip signature  : 36D13166
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 06
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/06 Various Artists - Bitch.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 17E3D638
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E1E54103
    AccurateRip signature  : 6058930B
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 07
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/07 Various Artists - Mmmbop.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 48EA5663
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 0C69E29D
    AccurateRip signature  : 4411DFDE
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 08
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/08 Various Artists - Brian Wilson.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : B6A08419
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 8648178C
    AccurateRip signature  : 9286C262
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 09
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/09 Various Artists - Brick.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : ED428075
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 2019BBDD
    AccurateRip signature  : 28D64736
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 10
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/10 Various Artists - Sex And Candy.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 42FFB0E2
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 4C630465
    AccurateRip signature  : 46F7B6BC
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 11
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/11 Various Artists - Walkin' On The Sun.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 8BB8EFEE
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 26C12E7C
    AccurateRip signature  : 2EC9181C
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 12
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/12 Various Artists - Tubthumping.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 2D8609D2
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 31E49FF7
    AccurateRip signature  : F52A197D
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 13
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/13 Various Artists - 6 Underground.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 70D89F7B
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : E62270C8
    AccurateRip signature  : 33322F79
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 14
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/14 Various Artists - Lullaby.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : EF94D9A3
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 390CD1EB
    AccurateRip signature  : E7361AE7
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
          (matched with the different offset correction value;
          calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 15
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/15 Various Artists - Slide.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : 1601A8EC
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 7061D271
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X Lossless Decoder version 20080916 (91.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-15 15:17:24 -0400

Various Artists / Whatever - The 90's Pop & Culture Box

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R  UJ-857E (revision ZF1E)

Use cdparanoia mode    : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache    : NO
Read offset correction : 48
Max retry count        : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
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    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/10 Various Artists - Sex And Candy.aiff
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        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/12 Various Artists - Tubthumping.aiff
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    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/16 Various Artists - Kiss Me.aiff
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        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/17 Various Artists - Steal My Sunshine.aiff
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    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/18 Various Artists - What It's Like.aiff
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        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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Track 19
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/19 Various Artists - Natural Blues.aiff
              /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/19 Various Artists - Natural Blues.m4a
    CRC32 hash            : 7CDF011B
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 7906D60C
    AccurateRip signature  : 8BCFC798
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
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No errors occurred

End of status report

Problems showing up in the Paranoia III rip that weren't there in the basic rip.

Is this just happening to me?

One thing I notice here is that you are ripping with the wrong offset. Try 102, not 48.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #36
One thing I notice here is that you are ripping with the wrong offset. Try 102, not 48.


Just being lazy and letting XLD correct for me as I switch between drives.
I shouldn’t make any difference, should it?

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #37


One thing I notice here is that you are ripping with the wrong offset. Try 102, not 48.


Just being lazy and letting XLD correct for me as I switch between drives.
I shouldn’t make any difference, should it?


If it's a scratched disc, you can get errors if you start changing offsets, depending where the scratches are. I think that's what going on.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #38
If it's a scratched disc, you can get errors if you start changing offsets, depending where the scratches are. I think that's what going on.


In this case, it's the same drive, with the same (incorrect) offset setting. It shouldn't account for differences between these tow rips, should it?

I'll try again later wit the correct offset later just to check - gotta go and actually do some work now....


Edit - The offset setting actually changes the way the drive works?
I always assumed it was just a matter of adding some blank samples in the file.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #39
The offset setting doesn't change the way the drive works, but it is going to determine where the drive starts reading.

Another suggestion: check "disable cache" and set the slider to minimum strength.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #40
Another suggestion: check "disable cache" and set the slider to minimum strength.

Done here:

Here are some excerpts from this recent post:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=588543

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XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-15 15:17:24 -0400

Various Artists / Whatever - The 90's Pop & Culture Box

Track 05
CRC32 hash : 77B4A906
AccurateRip signature : 664B49C6
->Rip may not be accurate.

Track 08
CRC32 hash : B6A08419
AccurateRip signature : 9286C262
->Rip may not be accurate.

Track 17
CRC32 hash : B72354FA
AccurateRip signature : 373933C8
->Rip may not be accurate.

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XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-15 15:49:26 -0400

Various Artists / Whatever - The 90's Pop & Culture Box

Track 05
CRC32 hash : 4400BEBA
AccurateRip signature : 36D13166
->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
(matched with the different offset correction value;
calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 08
CRC32 hash : B6A08419
AccurateRip signature : 9286C262
->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
(matched with the different offset correction value;
calculated using an additional offset of 54)

Track 17
CRC32 hash : B72354FA
AccurateRip signature : 373933C8
->Accurately ripped! (confidence 6)
(matched with the different offset correction value;
calculated using an additional offset of 54)
These are two different rips of the same disc.  With track 5 there are two different checksums, so it would make sense that one of the rips can be verified with AR while the other can't.  On the other hand, tracks 8 and 17 appear to give identical results, though the AR reporting is not consistent.

Here's another try at this disk
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XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-17 08:10:53 -0400

Various Artists / Whatever - The 90's Pop & Culture Box

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R  UJ-857E (revision ZF1E)

Use cdparanoia mode    : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache    : YES (1/14)
Read offset correction : 754
Max retry count        : 100

Track 08
    Filename : /Users/davesprou/Desktop/XLD Rips/08 Various Artists - Brian Wilson.aiff

    CRC32 hash            : D96957AC
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : C55E478F
    AccurateRip signature  : 3420B1C6
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                          : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)          : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 1
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 1
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 1
        Inconsistency in error sectors      : 0


Track 8 being the only problem.

I also just got another problem AR free rip with CDParanoia mode not enabled.

The enabling cache thing doesn't quite cure things in this case.

Could be a nice infinite regression in this post

Edit - This is all actually pretty pointless. I'll put off any further testing until the next version of XLD.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #41
Have you tried ripping these problem tracks using "test before copy" and "verify suspicious sectors"? I just wonder what the log would report then.

I'd be particularly interested to see if the test rip will be consistent with the copy rip.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #42
Have you tried ripping these problem tracks using "test before copy" and "verify suspicious sectors"? I just wonder what the log would report then.


It's an AR recognized CD, so the test before copy was bypassed.
I've tried with and without "verify suspicious sectors" without it noticeable effect. I haven't really looked too hard at that one yet though. Don't really know anything about what it's actually supposed to be doing.

I'll just wait a while for future versions of XLD.
Time to get back to real life.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #43
Well, I'm not trying to intrude upon your 'real' life,  I'm just trying to give you the help you asked for. Furthermore, it is often necessary to look harder in order to discover the exact nature of a given problem.

FWIW, if you want to find out what is going on here, you can force a "test before copy" by turning off the "only when the track does not exist in the AccurateRip DB" option. Try ripping the track(s) again, then see if the test and copy CRCs match.

If you also have "verify suspicious sectors" checked, the log will list the location of the sector(s) at which any inconsistencies occurred. That is, if any inconsistencies are actually discovered.

XLD can do all of this right now. There's no need to wait for future updates in order to do any of that.

My experience tells me that you are getting inconsistent errors because you are attempting to rip a damaged disc. I've seen this a lot, and the method I described above is a sensible way to diagnose a disc that is too damaged to be successfully ripped. And if it transpires that your disc is truly damaged, you certainly can't blame XLD or cdparanoia for that.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #44
Well, I'm not trying to intrude upon your 'real' life,  I'm just trying to give you the help you asked for. Furthermore, it is often necessary to look harder in order to discover the exact nature of a given problem.

FWIW, if you want to find out what is going on here, you can force a "test before copy" by turning off the "only when the track does not exist in the AccurateRip DB" option. Try ripping the track(s) again, then see if the test and copy CRCs match.

If you also have "verify suspicious sectors" checked, the log will list the location of the sector(s) at which any inconsistencies occurred. That is, if any inconsistencies are actually discovered.

XLD can do all of this right now. There's no need to wait for future updates in order to do any of that.


Yikes! You're taking this the wrong way - I appreciate your help. Just need to do some other things that I've been putting off with all this fussing.

Isn't the developer aware of, and working on problems related to his cache disabling scheme?
It makes sense to not spend any more time testing this version - just wait for word of some correction there and try again.

Verify suspicious sectors was checked in the last rip with the caching enabled.
I've used it on most of the rips I've tried since it was available, and have never gotten a log report on any problems there.




My experience tells me that you are getting inconsistent errors because you are attempting to rip a damaged disc. I've seen this a lot, and the method I described above is a sensible way to diagnose a disc that is too damaged to be successfully ripped. And if it transpires that your disc is truly damaged, you certainly can't blame XLD or cdparanoia for that.


You don't seem to be actually reading my posts!
The disk is mildly damaged, and rips fine on most of my drives without cdparanoia enabled.
Enabling paranoia is giving me worse results.

Do I need to be getting results you pre-approve of before posting?

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #45
1. Yes, tmkk is working on the cache disabling scheme. The problem, however, is not what you seem to think it is. Trust me on that.

2. "Verify suspicious sectors" works most effectively in tandem with "test before copy" mode. It's a fact.

3. I don't know what kind of "correction" you are expecting the XLD developer to make if you can't even verify that the problem is with the application and not with the disc itself. I have provided you with a simple method to begin troubleshooting. If you are unwilling to try it, then I don't know what information you have to convey about the problem.

I am interested in the problem you are having simply because I want to know what is causing it. And if it is an XLD or cdparanoia 10.2 bug, I want to identify and correct it. Seeing that I don't have your disc here with me to test on XLD myself, I can't help you identify the problem if you're unwilling to try the "test before copy" run I suggested.

4. "Mildly damaged" discs are damaged discs, and "mild" is a relative adjective. To put it another way, some mildly damaged discs are more mildly damaged than others. I know; I have several here I use to test with.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #46
1. Yes, tmkk is working on the cache disabling scheme. The problem, however, is not what you seem to think it is. Trust me on that.

2. "Verify suspicious sectors" works most effectively in tandem with "test before copy" mode. It's a fact.

3. I don't know what kind of "correction" you are expecting the XLD developer to make if you can't even verify that the problem is with the application and not with the disc itself. I have provided you with a simple method to begin troubleshooting. If you are unwilling to try it, then I don't know what information you have to convey about the problem.

I am interested in the problem you are having simply because I want to know what is causing it. And if it is an XLD or cdparanoia 10.2 bug, I want to identify and correct it. Seeing that I don't have your disc here with me to test on XLD myself, I can't help you identify the problem if you're unwilling to try the "test before copy" run I suggested.

4. "Mildly damaged" discs are damaged discs, and "mild" is a relative adjective. To put it another way, some mildly damaged discs are more mildly damaged than others. I know; I have several here I use to test with.


I'll try again tonight.

New version of CDParanoia III 10.2 Released

Reply #47
1. Yes, tmkk is working on the cache disabling scheme. The problem, however, is not what you seem to think it is. Trust me on that.

2. "Verify suspicious sectors" works most effectively in tandem with "test before copy" mode. It's a fact.

3. I don't know what kind of "correction" you are expecting the XLD developer to make if you can't even verify that the problem is with the application and not with the disc itself. I have provided you with a simple method to begin troubleshooting. If you are unwilling to try it, then I don't know what information you have to convey about the problem.

I am interested in the problem you are having simply because I want to know what is causing it. And if it is an XLD or cdparanoia 10.2 bug, I want to identify and correct it. Seeing that I don't have your disc here with me to test on XLD myself, I can't help you identify the problem if you're unwilling to try the "test before copy" run I suggested.

4.  "Mildly damaged" discs are damaged discs, and "mild" is a relative adjective. To put it another way, some mildly damaged discs are more mildly damaged than others. I know; I have several here I use to test with.


I'm starting to run through ripping this disk with all my drives with all combinations of ripping options - It's going to take a while.

I'll say again that by "mildly damaged" I mean not that the disk just doesn't look all that bad --- It repeatedly rips just fine on two of my drives without any extra correction settings.


I actually just got my first log with 10.2 weak cache setting, correct offset, test and copy, and verification on - The AR report shows all matches this time.  ..... a bit of a long way to go to get the same result, but the rip looks good.

I'll try a few more rips with this drive at various settings and try and see where the problems show up.
Let me know if there's any specific way you would like to see.

 
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