Artifact training 2006-09-11 18:06:08 Hey everybody,OK, I have been going through ff123's artifact training page to help me learn to hear the artifacts. Now, I had gone through this process before using my extremely crappy PC speakers and was able to pick out most of the artifacts, some easier than others. However there were a few that were either quite difficult for me, or I flat out couldn't hear the artifacts. So I switched to using headphones (certainly not high quality ones, mind you) hoping that the artifacts would become more aparent. Indeed, 8 out of the 9 samples were now utterly easy to pick out the artifacts. However, Sarah McLachlan's Wait was one that I couldn't abx before, using the crappy speakers, and for the life of me, I still can't abx it with the headphones! I believe I know what I am supposed to be listening for from the description on ff123's page, but man....I hear something like what he describes in the cymbols, but in both samples, so it must not be the artifact. I was using the psudo reference file against the Xing 128 kbit/s, and I thought maybe there is a very slim chance that I am hearing the same artifact in the -insane encoded file, so I switched to using the original .flac file for the reference. As expected, still no difference.So, I guess my question is, how would you describe what you hear as the artifact? Maybe what I think I am supposed to be listening for from ff123's description just isn't clicking with me. Anyone else have their own description that might help me to understand what to listen for?FYI, I'm using a crappy radioshack headset as my headphones (could possibly be the problem, but man...if I can hear the other artifacts so distinctly.....) and a SoundBlaster 512 PCI for a sound card.Thanks in advance!