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How to convince people to stop MP3 myths

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See, the problem you're having is that you are a rational person.  As such, you expect people to respond to rational reasoning.  These people have superior brains that are capable of many kinds of thinking that you can't even comprehend.  Their minds are actually capable of constructing arguments that affirm their preconceptions completely circumventing any inconvienient facts.  They can produce a thought arc that goes around and "short-circuts" any argument you could produce.  You are unable to percieve this arc because it lies outside the realm of the rational.  Indeed, it may well reside in some sort of alternate universe that these lucky individuals have tapped into.

So, feel not frustration or pity, and instead fell shame and envy; your brain just isn't as good.
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That's good. 
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Reply #51 –
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Rather like this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jfe1205/LAME/...XPd2-3.97a7.zip? A proposed version of lamedropXPd for the next releases of LAME.
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OK, I've changed a few options, recompiled and uploaded again (on the same link). Can someone who had a problem before tell me if this is any different, please? TIA.

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Reply #52 –
I've just tried on Win2K and can't see anything I'm afraid.

The Ini has been created and the process lamedropXPd.exe is running.
I'm on a horse.

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Reply #53 –
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I've just tried on Win2K and can't see anything I'm afraid.

The Ini has been created and the process lamedropXPd.exe is running.
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Thanks for trying. How very odd!! Back to the drawing board, I guess.

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Can someone who had a problem before tell me if this is any different, please?

I can see the interface, but only under XP.
Regarding the configuration UI, I like it.

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Can someone who had a problem before tell me if this is any different, please?

I can see the interface, but only under XP.
Regarding the configuration UI, I like it.
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Thanks, Gabriel. I'll try to figure out why it's invisible other than in XP!!!

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Reply #56 –
Yep, still nothing on my win2k.

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Reply #57 –
It's kinda comforting to see that so many people here are prefering 2k over XP. Not everything is lost yet, it seems ;-)

- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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Is there any reason we would ever really need simple stereo since Lame JS doesn't destroy stereo?[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


Hrm... multilanguage content?
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Sorry, I don't understand.
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Sometimes another language of a program is put in the other channel.

[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']Discussion about Joint Stereo quality split [a href="http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=31963]here[/url].
- the moderation[/span]
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Possible solution:
- rename stereo to something like "dual-mono"
- rename joint-stereo to stereo (the switches as well)
- alias the dupe JS switch to stereo(which is now the same)

This would mean that instead of choosing the mp3-stereo-mode, the user chooses the signal-type of the input/output. So, its less a technical choice but more an intuitive choice. People still get their switch with the nice name "stereo" but in reality its now all JS and automatically aliased also when apps use the LAME-dll. People who want to encode two mono-signals (the multi-language example) in one stream, can still access the simple stereo mode, but via a new switch called "dual-mono"(which sounds like bad-quality for the myth-people yet still is meant exactly for what the name implies).

Advantage: the issue which applies to 99,99% of cases (misuse of simple stereo) gets solved while still keeping the simple-stereo switch available for "dual-mono"-encodings.

Disadvantage: the new "dual-mono"-switch breaks backwards-compatibility because it is a new switch. In other words: apps which want to make the simple-stereo/dual-mono switch available need to update their apps. However, this can as well be seen as a good thing: Because of the changed name authors will probably take a closer look at it and possibly re-add the swittch NOT with the label "stereo" but instead "dual-mono".

just my 2 euro-cents,
- Lyx
I am arrogant and I can afford it because I deliver.

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Reply #59 –
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I've just tried on Win2K and can't see anything I'm afraid.

The Ini has been created and the process lamedropXPd.exe is running.
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same here (2K SP4)

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Reply #60 –
@Lyx

if you have to encode bi-lingual content, Lame already has a switch for dual channel encoding: -md. This is a 2 mono chanel at once mode, but unfortunately many players play it as if it were stereo.

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I can in some cds detect differences between 320 and original, and i used to believe 128 was cd quality.
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sure    what encoder and setting did you use?
--alt-presets are there for a reason! These other switches DO NOT work better than it, trust me on this.
LAME + Joint Stereo doesn't destroy 'Stereo'

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I can in some cds detect differences between 320 and original, and i used to believe 128 was cd quality.
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sure 
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It's actually possible. What if he has a Fatboy Slim CD with Kalifornia?

But then again, qualityequalizer has already been exposed as a [a href="http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=31981&hl=]potential troll[/url], so I would indeed take his claims with lots of salt.

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I once read that exposure to low quality lossy encodings can cause cumulative hearing loss and tinnitus. While I can not say if that is true, I prefer to err or the side of caution.
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Don't exist scientific evidence that supports this.. (or at least credible).

This is another new myth that we can add to the list. 
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That was on slashdot, the great purveyor of myths.
[a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/20/2029212]http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/20/2029212[/url]

All I could be on google was this:
http://users.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~wi...r/MP3-risk.html
Ear damage by MP3, DVD and digital television?
    -risks of neuroacoustically datareduced music

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I once read that exposure to low quality lossy encodings can cause cumulative hearing loss and tinnitus. While I can not say if that is true, I prefer to err or the side of caution.
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Don't exist scientific evidence that supports this.. (or at least credible).

This is another new myth that we can add to the list. 
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That was on slashdot, the great purveyor of myths.
[a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/20/2029212]http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/20/2029212[/url]

All I could be on google was this:
http://users.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~wi...r/MP3-risk.html
Ear damage by MP3, DVD and digital television?
    -risks of neuroacoustically datareduced music
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I hope everyone reads the replies on Slashdot too...a lot of them point out the , um 'peculiarities' of that
'neuronomy' page and its author.  Looks like the hard experimental data supporting his particular speculations and inferences re mp3, hasn't yet materialized.

Over in audiophile-cuckoo-land, there's a rather famous amp designer (Mark Levinson -- trivia buffs might be interested to know he is the recent ex-husband of  Kim 'Samantha' Cattrall) who has been claiming for some years now that listening to 16/44 digital audio will damage your neuromuscular system.  Hasn't done much for his credibility.

Anyway, hardly a week goes by that I'm not trying to correct some nonsense spouted about mp3s on Usenet or the Web, usually along the lines of 'mp3s can NEVER sound as good as CDs'.  I always end up pointing them to HA.org. 

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Reply #65 –
john33, some remarks:

When you switch between bitrate/quality there is no "encoding engine quality"/"variable bitrate mode" selected (it is blank).

What is the difference between "fast" "high" and "standard" in the bitrate mode? And are all those three necessary?

What does the "no gap" option do?

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mp3 is not transparent.
I can in some cds detect differences between 320 and original.
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..........

What encoder did you use?

mp3 can be transparent (with exception of some few samples).

This has been confirmed many many times here in several listening tests..

I recommend you to use the SEARCH function.

You have not given any proove (ABX tests) that confirm his arguments.

This makes my not take it to you seriously.

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john33, some remarks:

When you switch between bitrate/quality there is no "encoding engine quality"/"variable bitrate mode" selected (it is blank).

When using the 'quality' (VBR) mode, the 'encoding engine quality' is set within the quality presets.
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What is the difference between "fast" "high" and "standard" in the bitrate mode? And are all those three necessary?

These equate to the 'q' settings: fast = 9, high = 2 and standard = 5. (Although I just discovered an error in the code so that this is not currently set correctly!! I'll change that.)
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What does the "no gap" option do?

It's the invocation of the 'nogap' switch that's a standard option.

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Reply #69 –
(lamedropXPd2) Made a number of changes and fixed a couple of bugs, so can someone kindly tell me if it's still invisible under win2k?, TIA. It's on the same link as before: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jfe1205/LAME/...XPd2-3.97a7.zip?

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When using the 'quality' (VBR) mode, the 'encoding engine quality' is set within the quality presets.


No, that's not what I mean. Argh, I don't know how to describe it better, I'll post a screenshot when I get home.


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These equate to the 'q' settings: fast = 9, high = 2 and standard = 5. (Although I just discovered an error in the code so that this is not currently set correctly!! I'll change that.)


I'm not really sure it's a good idea to give the user those options. And at least put them in the right order (fast, standard, high). And I'm also not sure if calling q5 "standard" is a good idea, might be a bit confusing, because I get the feeling most people consider q3 the LAME quality standard. But that's more a question of the subjective perception I guess...
Oh, and you mean q3, right? Since the old q2 is now q3...


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It's the invocation of the 'nogap' switch that's a standard option.


You know that that option is pretty much useless and providing it to the user will most probably cause more harm than good.

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(lamedropXPd2) Made a number of changes and fixed a couple of bugs, so can someone kindly tell me if it's still invisible under win2k?
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Now it's working under W2k SP4 PL. However I don't know if it was or not visible earlier on my system.
Not really a Signature.

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(lamedropXPd2) Made a number of changes and fixed a couple of bugs, so can someone kindly tell me if it's still invisible under win2k?
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Now it's working under W2k SP4 PL. However I don't know if it was or not visible earlier on my system.
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Thanks!!!  Hopefully it is for others too.

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These equate to the 'q' settings: fast = 9, high = 2 and standard = 5. (Although I just discovered an error in the code so that this is not currently set correctly!! I'll change that.)


The standard quality is not 5 with 3.97.
For "standard" quality, I would advise you to simply not pass any quality level to Lame. This way, it will set up itself the default value.

Fast: I think that results should be more acceptables at 7 instead of 9.