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192/32 needed for digitized vinyl to sound as analogue as possible

Upscaling MP3 to DSD make nonsense to me

I usually record vinyls in DSD 5.6 Mhz 1bit format and then I convert it with TEAC/TASCAM Hi-Res Editor to WAV 192/32bit float to have the sound as analogue as possible and to make further optimizations with Adobe Audition 3.0 (denoise, remove clicks and crackles, Bass, Mid, Treble calibration, compression, normalization,...). Then, I use this 192/32bit wav "master tape" for archiving (wavpack) and for convert it to 48/32float WAV for auditions or for smartphone HQ mp3s. These are my best results so far and listening music from my PC or phone prolong the lifetime of my vinyls and the TT cartridge.

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Quote from: BrilliantBob on
Upscaling MP3 to DSD make nonsense to me

I usually record vinyls in DSD 5.6 Mhz 1bit format and then I convert it with TEAC/TASCAM Hi-Res Editor to WAV 192/32bit float to have the sound as analogue [...] or for smartphone HQ mp3s.[...]
192/f32 and mp3... schizophrenia?

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I understand the merits of floating-point for recording to whatever, but ...
High Voltage socket-nose-avatar

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The forum software needs a popcorn icon.  In the meantime the TOS8 infraction has been noted.

Quote from: BrilliantBob on
sound as analogue as possible
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

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Waiting for samples that need 32bit for best results :)
Is troll-adiposity coming from feederism?
With 24bit music you can listen to silence much louder!

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192/32bit float to have the sound as analogue as possible...

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...and to make further optimizations with Adobe Audition 3.0 (denoise, remove clicks and crackles, Bass, Mid, Treble calibration, compression, normalization,...).
To make it less analog.   :D :D :D

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Quote from: Wombat on
Waiting for samples that need 32bit for best results :)

The samples are extracted from new and original vinyl and CD
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VINYL Barcode: 5099902988313
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Recorded with SONY Hi-Res Audio Recorder (DSD 5.6 MHz)
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CD Barcode: 5099902894423
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Submit result: n92sCGjxn.xYbNL18Fo8Zc6ziI4- has been confirmed
7  | (4414/4470) Accurately ripped, or (33/4470) differs in 61 samples @02:17:16,02:18:10

Between VINYL and CD there are some subtle differences or is just me. Finally, it's just about personal preferences.
        
    
DVDdoug you have right ;-). But I enjoy to listen music like I am seated very close to the performers.

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...and they need to be at 192/32 for best results?

No one here cares whether you can differentiate cd from vinyl or whether you prefer the vinyl version.
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

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No one here cares whether you can differentiate cd from vinyl or whether you prefer the vinyl version.

From 192/32 wav I can convert to 44/32 wav that looks interesting for me. Despite the double wav size, I can feel the differences between CD and vinyl. Perhaps more clarity, harmonics, tones and soundstage. As you said before, it's a matter of preferences. I am waiting for my Sumiko Pearl TT cartridge bought from U.S., with its great channel separation (30dB) and huge freq response (12Hz-30kHz) to get the full vinyl sound quality. I am not a "audiophile church" worshipper, but I like to listen music in high quality. And I know the analogue sound can be heard only at the concert hall or at the original master tapes, all other are digital for these new reissues or remastered items.

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Quote from: BrilliantBob on
[...] I can feel the differences between CD and vinyl [...] I am not a "audiophile church" worshipper
"bouble kill!"
Of course you can hear diff btw cd/vinyl, becouse cd-audio does not contain "garbage". But what you pass off as "quality" is not "quality" - it's just a "feeling".
Does anyone know a Studio that records and processes sound exclusively on analog equipment?

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Quote from: m14u on
Does anyone know a Studio that records and processes sound exclusively on analog equipment?
mysticvalleystudio.com for example

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Quote from: Rollin on
mysticvalleystudio.com for example
ok, let it be. but...
faq page:
"4. I’ve Never Recorded To Tape Before, How Is This Different From Digital?

In many ways, it is not that different. Tape is a storage medium, just like digital is. The main difference is the editing capabilities and the amount of storage available.[...]"
wtf?!? where about Hz, where about Db, where about lifetime... deception for profit ? or just "forgotten" ?

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Quote from: BrilliantBob on

From 192/32 wav I can convert to 44/32 wav that looks interesting for me. Despite the double wav size, I can feel the differences between CD and vinyl. Perhaps more clarity, harmonics, tones and soundstage. As you said before, it's a matter of preferences. I am waiting for my Sumiko Pearl TT cartridge bought from U.S., with its great channel separation (30dB) and huge freq response (12Hz-30kHz) to get the full vinyl sound quality. I am not a "audiophile church" worshipper, but I like to listen music in high quality. And I know the analogue sound can be heard only at the concert hall or at the original master tapes, all other are digital for these new reissues or remastered items.

My God you must have a extreme Sense of Hearing? :))
Anyway I am starting to think this debate is turning into another vinyl topic, which never seem to go very far.

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Quote from: BrilliantBob on
Quote from: greynol on
No one here cares whether you can differentiate cd from vinyl or whether you prefer the vinyl version.


From 192/32 wav I can convert to 44/32 wav that looks interesting for me. Despite the double wav size, I can feel the differences between CD and vinyl. Perhaps more clarity, harmonics, tones and soundstage. As you said before, it's a matter of preferences. I am waiting for my Sumiko Pearl TT cartridge bought from U.S., with its great channel separation (30dB) and huge freq response (12Hz-30kHz) to get the full vinyl sound quality. I am not a "audiophile church" worshipper, but I like to listen music in high quality. And I know the analogue sound can be heard only at the concert hall or at the original master tapes, all other are digital for these new reissues or remastered items.
Been there done that.  I have tried many high end cartridges such as Dynavector, Benz Wood and so on.  The reality is that it doesn't matter how good the cartridge is as it quickly gets to a point where the vinyl records itself is the limitation.  There is no point of a linear frequency response when vinyl is incapable of being linear or such a wide frequency response when vinyl is increasingly inaccurate outside the mid range, particularly as the play progresses towards the centre of the record.

If you have a subjective preference for the more distorted vinyl sound (albeit a ephonic distortion) that is fine.  My CDs and other digital formats sound better than my vinyl records (and that is while it is played back on a high end turntable/cart/pre-amp combo, but then I am very choosy which CDs I purchase and will only go for the vinyl if it has better mastering or source material.

However, I don't get this "analog sounding' crap.  Apart from the obvious that what comes out of a DAC is analog, just a more perfect analog, I would get mad if my high quality digital mastering sounded like it was being played from a turntable, tape deck or other ancient and imprecise analog devices.

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Quote from: old tech on
Quote from: BrilliantBob on
I don't get this "analog sounding' crap.
Neither does he.

Again, the issue isn’t the preference, but the stated need for such a high data rate in order for digitized vinyl to “sound as close to analog as possible.”

Being generous, 48/14 will be adequate.  Now it’s Bob’s job to prove me wrong.

He ducked out of his last idiotic foray over knowing better about tuning the lame encoder when asked to provide support. I’ll be damned if he gets away with it again in this topic.

If he can’t (or if he isn’t prepared to) prove me wrong then he has no business presenting such claims on this forum. He so much as agreed with this upon registering and will be held accountable for it.  In short: put up or shut up.  This doesn’t mean skulk away just to post more nonsense two months later.
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

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We need a 'Feelings' sub forum.
Is troll-adiposity coming from feederism?
With 24bit music you can listen to silence much louder!

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Quote from: Wombat on
Waiting for samples that need 32bit for best results :)
Hold my beer while I patch a 140 dB peak into your music for destroying your (g)ear.

... hmmmm, could I have done with 24?
High Voltage socket-nose-avatar

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Christmas must have come earlier this year!

What a fun ride this is going to be! :))
Listen to the music, not the media it's on.

Musepack --quality 6
Wavpack -hb4.55x5cvm

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this is a troll thread. 0/10
some ANC'd headphones + AutoEq-based impulse + Meier Crossfeed (30%)

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We should create a poll for most comical thread.

This one definitely takes the cake this year. :))
Listen to the music, not the media it's on.

Musepack --quality 6
Wavpack -hb4.55x5cvm

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Quote from: includemeout on
We should create a poll for most comical thread.

This one definitely takes the cake this year. :))
the one about radioactive rays from headphones was also raising some of the eyebrows
some ANC'd headphones + AutoEq-based impulse + Meier Crossfeed (30%)

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Somewhat telling that the OP hasn't returned to defend his position, however:

Quote from: BrilliantBob on
...to have the sound as analogue as possible...

Do you seriously believe there are degrees of analog? Digital vs analog is a clear-cut, black & white distinction. Can something be "slightly digital" or "mostly analog"? No, it either is analog or it is not analog. The only way to keep a recording "as analog as possible" is to USE an analog recording system.
 
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