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Burning 7+ hours of (lossless?) 2ch audio to DVD

Hey, guys, longtime listener, first-time caller.

How can I fit 10 or so hours of CD audio onto a DVD? I can't find any burning software that will make MLP files, or can I convert to MLP and just import those into the burning program? Since DTS and MP2 aren't supported by all NTSC players, is my only option to convert to 48 kHz and use the lossy AC-3?

Burning 7+ hours of (lossless?) 2ch audio to DVD

Reply #1
I believe you can do it with a dual-layer DVD-R (~8.5GB).

48kHz x 2-channels x 16-bits = 1536kbps.  There are 8 bits in a byte and 60 secondds in a minute, so that works out to ~11.5 MB per minute or ~691MB per hour.

Most DVD players don't support MLP either.  And, you'll have to upsample to 48kHz for DVD. 

And, if you want to make a standard DVD that plays on all DVD players, you'll need DVD authoring software to make an audio-only "video" DVD or a "slideshow DVD" with a menu, a VIDEO_TS folder, and VOB files.


Burning 7+ hours of (lossless?) 2ch audio to DVD

Reply #2
Most DVD players don't support MLP either.  And, you'll have to upsample to 48kHz for DVD. 

And, if you want to make a standard DVD that plays on all DVD players, you'll need DVD authoring software to make an audio-only "video" DVD or a "slideshow DVD" with a menu, a VIDEO_TS folder, and VOB files.


Yes, I'm aware - sorry, I'd trimmed down my original posting since I figured no one cared about my backstory but should have mentioned I do have a DVD-Audio player; the reason I'd mentioned MLP is it's part of the standard. And DVD-Audio supports 44.1 kHz. My thinking was that an MLP / PPCM compressed disc would be perfect and play in my player, but if I have to burn a DVD-Video instead, I might as well make it playable in all players, not just mine. if that makes sense.

I know DTS wasn't part of the original standard and MP2 streams needn't be supported by NTSC players... but how likely are newer players to support DTS and Audio Layer II?

Will all burners do dual-layer discs? That's a good suggestion actually, but I really don't want to have to go out + buy more DVDs.

Another question that just occured to me - if I have more than 99 tracks am I going to run into problems?

Burning 7+ hours of (lossless?) 2ch audio to DVD

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I know DTS wasn't part of the original standard and MP2 streams needn't be supported by NTSC players... but how likely are newer players to support DTS
A DVD is non-compliant if it doesn't have a Dolby AC3 or LPCM track.  It's still hit-and-miss, but DTS is a requirement for Blu-Ray players.    And if you have a digital connection to your receiver, the receiver needs a DTS decoder.    You do know that DTS is lossy, right?    (There is a lossless DTS version for Blu-Ray.)  If you have the software, you can make a compliant DVD with both AC3 and DTS.

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and Audio Layer II?
Is that DVD-Audio?  DVD-Audio support is very rare...  As I'm sure you know the format pretty much failed in the marketplace.

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Will all burners do dual-layer discs?
  Some older burners can't burn dual-layer DVDs, but I think any burner manufactured today can.    Some DVD players have trouble with  "burned" dual-layer discs.  (Most commercial DVDs are dual-layer and all DVD players can play pressed/stamped DVDs.)

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Another question that just occured to me - if I have more than 99 tracks am I going to run into problems?
Maybe...  You can have 99 titles with 99 tracks each (actually, there may be another limit somewhere).  If there are breaks between songs, that shouldn't be an issue but there will be a pause between titles.

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and Audio Layer II?
Is that DVD-Audio?

MP2 = MPEG-1 Audio Layer II (sorry, I was trying to reduce ambiguity!)

DVD-Audio can be LPCM or PPCM (Meridian Lossless), while the DVD-Video standard supports PCM or, on NTSC players, Dolby Digital, on PAL players, MP2, with optionally, DTS. It does appear as though some (many? most?) newer NTSC players will play back MP2 as well; I'll have to test.

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You do know that DTS is lossy, right?

Yes, but less lossy than Dolby Digital, from what I understand. And still significantly reducing the size of the file.

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DTS is a requirement for Blu-Ray players.

So a Blu-Ray player would likely play DTS off a DVD?

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A DVD is non-compliant if it doesn't have a Dolby AC3 or LPCM track.

Does "non-compliant" mean "won't play," or does it just mean "non-compliant?"

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Some DVD players have trouble with  "burned" dual-layer discs.

And probably depending on which particular brand of DVD±R. Which, then, would bring me back to my original problem.

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Another question that just occured to me - if I have more than 99 tracks am I going to run into problems?
Maybe...  You can have 99 titles with 99 tracks each (actually, there may be another limit somewhere).  If there are breaks between songs, that shouldn't be an issue but there will be a pause between titles.

Perfect for multiple albums, it seems... Thank you!

 
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