Now I’m not going to waste your time talking technical. You can put whatever research you want in front of me, all the measurements in the world aren’t going to stop me from having the opinion that all digital cables do not sound the same. There, I said it.


I don’t know why they sound different – speak to a few of the big cable manufacturers and heck, they’ll tell you that even they don’t know. They have theories, but that’s all. Does this lack of scientific proof mean that there aren’t differences? I don’t think so, but it’s this lack of knowledge that makes life difficult for us and the industry as a whole.

it’s this lack of knowledge that makes life difficult for us and the industry as a whole.

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it’s this lack of knowledge that makes life difficult for us and the industry as a whole.

Indeed.

The fact we can’t scientifically prove beyond a shadow of a doubt why we can hear and see differences is seen as an “in” to start throwing accusations around.

You can put whatever research you want in front of me, all the measurements in the world aren’t going to stop me from having the opinion that all digital cables do not sound the same. There, I said it.


I don’t know why they sound different – speak to a few of the big cable manufacturers and heck, they’ll tell you that even they don’t know.

Both business models rely on the consumer being willing to delegate their belief system to a higher authority. (Come to think of it, we have a contemporary equivalent in Scientology).

I said it before and will say it again: IMO, these are sad, desperate people [cough!] middle-aged men with serious self esteem issues, mostly [cough!] who think of themselves as superior to us the heathen, who'd rather trust good olde scientifical evidence instead of some unexplainable voodoo or hocus pocus concocted by (mostly) opportunistic charlatans.

Both business models rely on the consumer being willing to delegate their belief system to a higher authority. (Come to think of it, we have a contemporary equivalent in Scientology).

Quote from: cliveb on 2014-03-27 06:40:39

Both business models rely on the consumer being willing to delegate their belief system to a higher authority. (Come to think of it, we have a contemporary equivalent in Scientology).

You don't need to limit it to Scientology. Every religion that has ever existed (or ever will) relies on the subject to accept their "teachings" on faith.

Maybe try a social psychologist?

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Maybe try a social psychologist?

People will, literally and figuratively, buy (into) anything they believe/know will gain membership in or confer some type of superior status within their desired social groupings.

But as a social psychologist, I'm more interested in a thread like this one. It's often not what another believes that motivates someone to post, but the fact that someone has different beliefs or an opinion (at least seemingly) opposite to the poster.

Wow, this thread has gone on quite a while without a theist coming in and objecting. I think along the same lines as you but I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war. I don't really understand why cable myths exist though. Sure, it's harder to ABX compared to FLAC vs MP3, but with a good enough testing scheme you could eventually ABX cables. It being inconvenient to do so doesn't mean it's not possible and not doing the test means making an article and claiming things as facts without proper testing. People that go on and on about these audio stuff based on faith, paying tons for cables, they give audio-lovers a bad name.

Wow, this thread has gone on quite a while without a theist coming in and objecting. I think along the same lines as you but I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war.

I don't really understand why cable myths exist though. Sure, it's harder to ABX compared to FLAC vs MP3, but with a good enough testing scheme you could eventually ABX cables. It being inconvenient to do so doesn't mean it's not possible and not doing the test means making an article and claiming things as facts without proper testing.

Quote from: Dark_wizzie on 2014-03-27 20:10:07

Wow, this thread has gone on quite a while without a theist coming in and objecting. I think along the same lines as you but I hope this doesn't turn into a flame war.

It won't, because the vast majority either don't care what you think or they think you're misguided. This certainly isn't the first time someone got their panties in a bunch over an audio press article or opinion. One would have to think it's somewhat futile when every issue of every audio publication has multiple articles displaying the exact same viewpoint. If it's a "crisis" then it's one that has been ongoing for quite some time and one against which the naysayers have made absolutely no impact.

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I don't really understand why cable myths exist though. Sure, it's harder to ABX compared to FLAC vs MP3, but with a good enough testing scheme you could eventually ABX cables. It being inconvenient to do so doesn't mean it's not possible and not doing the test means making an article and claiming things as facts without proper testing.

The most widely held opinion (in fact, it's pretty much universal) is that ABX testing is substantially flawed and very close to useless. So your idea is one that only really makes good sense to those who already believe ABX is the be all and end all. That debate has been held hundreds, if not thousands, of times in other forums, and I'm not attempting to debate the point at all. I'm just suggesting to you why what you think is so obvious is anything but obvious.

Quote from: cliveb on 2014-03-27 06:40:39

Both business models rely on the consumer being willing to delegate their belief system to a higher authority. (Come to think of it, we have a contemporary equivalent in Scientology).

You don't need to limit it to Scientology. Every religion that has ever existed (or ever will) relies on the subject to accept their "teachings" on faith.

Quote from: danc6433 on 2014-03-27 16:14:51

Quote from: cliveb on 2014-03-27 06:40:39

Both business models rely on the consumer being willing to delegate their belief system to a higher authority. (Come to think of it, we have a contemporary equivalent in Scientology).

You don't need to limit it to Scientology. Every religion that has ever existed (or ever will) relies on the subject to accept their "teachings" on faith.

Stop changing the subject. You getting offended?

(snip post that verges on trolling in the context of HA)