Skip to main content ↑ ↓

Notice

Please note that most of the software linked on this forum is likely to be safe to use. If you are unsure, feel free to ask in the relevant topics, or send a private message to an administrator or moderator. To help curb the problems of false positives, or in the event that you do find actual malware, you can contribute through the article linked here.
Topic: Trouble ripping Lateralus (Read 4978 times) previous topic - next topic
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Hi, I've just bought Lateralus by Tool (Gifted away the old one in panic), and decided to rip it once more - perfectly.
Trouble, however, arises in the very last minutes of the CD, where EAC gets some trouble reading the disk, starts error correcting, spins down, spins up again, down, up, etc.
Again, this CD is mint fresh. Completely untouched by human hands, out of the box. I've configured my drive settings in EAC correctly using AccurateRip. My drive is a rarely used Plextor PX-740a drive.
I tried ripping Ænima, and it (also completely untouched CD) rips perfectly without errors.

When ripping into individual tracks, AccurateRip reports that everything worked out perfectly:
Code: [Select]
Track    Ripping Status        [Disc ID: 00233e73-c612800d]

 1    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 8)     [bd8d378e]
 2    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [ede6f6e1]
 3    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [9297b9c0]
 4    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [8e5230ed]
 5    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [cda45379]
 6    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 6)     [8ee82a6a]
 7    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [2d39fd1e]
 8    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [db813dad]
 9    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [bf464073]
 10    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [79d55034]
 11    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 6)     [331026cf]
 12    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 7)     [58948108]
 13    Accurately Ripped    (confidence 6)     [9d9373a1]

_______________________

All Tracks Accurately Ripped.

However, the EAC log tells a different story.
Code: [Select]
EAC extraction logfile from 21. May 2006, 2:25 for CD
Tool / Lateralus

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-740A   Adapter: 1  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 618
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000


Track  1
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 01 - The Grudge.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC E031C821
     Copy OK

Track  2
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 02 - Eon Blue Apocalypse.wav

     Peak level 42.3 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Copy CRC 09AE4997
     Copy OK

Track  3
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 03 - The Patient.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC A7770112
     Copy OK

Track  4
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 04 - Mantra.wav

     Peak level 37.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 217C3515
     Copy OK

Track  5
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 05 - Schism.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC F7497C96
     Copy OK

Track  6
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 06 - Parabol.wav

     Peak level 72.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 9AD4154E
     Copy OK

Track  7
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 07 - Parabola.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 19C5F6D2
     Copy OK

Track  8
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 08 - Ticks & Leeches.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC BA384629
     Copy OK

Track  9
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 09 - Lateralus.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC BB6D8391
     Copy OK

Track 10
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 10 - Disposition.wav

     Peak level 74.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC 9548965B
     Copy OK

Track 11
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 11 - Reflection.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC B1AF10C7
     Copy OK

Track 12
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 12 - Triad.wav

     Peak level 98.8 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Copy CRC 17CA921A
     Copy OK

Track 13
     Filename D:\eac\out\Tool - 13 - Faaip de Oiad.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Copy CRC CD4F3B83
     Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

As you can see, the track quality is not 100% on all tracks. Am I being too paranoid? Am I misunderstanding what "Track Quality" means in EAC? Is there a way to fix this?
Pusk is the new Start.

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Reply #1 –
Track Quality only describes the amount of extra re-reading that was needed during the extraction. "COPY OK" means the rip is error free(in EAC's view).

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Reply #2 –
When you get 99.9%, it means that EAC had to re-read something to make sure it was correct, but if it says 'Copy OK' the rips are fine.
we was young an' full of beans

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Reply #3 –
You have perfect rips. AccurateRip does not lie, especially with a confidence of >2 (you have 6 and 7). As for your track quality, its been explained above.

Also, I see you are using a plextor drive. You most likely can over-read into the lead in/out to in theory get a more perfect rip, which you are not currently doing.

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Reply #4 –
Hi,
Thanks for the reaffirmation.

Eli - When I ask EAC to autodetect my read features, it says I can only overread into lead-out. What gives? Maybe it's because the 740a is really just a repackaged drive of some other manufacturer?
I'll go check the product specs for the drive. (edit: No, it cannot overread)

Also, could there be a way to make EAC rip perfectly in one go, without re-reads?
Pusk is the new Start.

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Reply #5 –
Re-reads are the whole point it can rip perfectly, don't worry about them. For even greater confidence, to a test and copy, and check the CRC's match for all tracks.

If however accurate rip concurs, there's not to muc point, especially when EAC also detects no errors.

The 99.9% often comes when EAC encounters a new track, it re-reads and sometimes the first line of error correction lights light up, ths is nothing to worry about though, its just doing its job

Kristian

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Reply #6 –
When AccurateRip says "Ripped accurately", you can ignore what EAC says.
 

Trouble ripping Lateralus

Reply #7 –
Quote from: skelly831 on
When you get 99.9%, it means that EAC had to re-read something to make sure it was correct, but if it says 'Copy OK' the rips are fine.

"Copy OK" can still be reported even though there was an error.

Test and Copy is the best way to go when AccurateRip has no data for a particular disc but even Test and Copy isn't 100% reliable.

Here's something to chew on, these are all rips of the same track:

Code: [Select]
Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-716A   Adapter: 3  ID: 1
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache

     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC AE99CD57
     Copy CRC AE99CD57
     Copy OK

     Track quality 99.7 %
     Test CRC 4AB5F428
     Copy CRC 4AB5F428
     Copy OK

     Track quality 99.7 %
     Test CRC 4AB5F428
     Copy CRC 727F4614
     Copy OK

Plextools gets this track right every time with the correct CRC being 4AB5F428 (verified by AccurateRip and a second copy of this disc that rips cleanly).

I have learned to take Secure T&C rips with a grain of salt.  Burst T&C has yet to give me matching CRCs for a bad rip (though this track can't be extracted accurately using Burst mode).