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Childish Behaviour

Reply #25 –
Spoon,
that action was not caused by one incident but a long time concern. In fact the last time i checked (yes it is a long time ago) about 70% of your posts had the word dbpoweramp in them. If that doesn't say something about your posting habits I don't know what...
It is always nice to have developers hanging around this forum but when they mostly talk about what their product can do it does get our attention.


Edit: I seem to be unable to reproduce a search that comes up with similar result. Also the search is not easy to a make with current search tool. Also spoon's products isn't limited to dbpoweramp anymore.

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Reply #26 –
Whoa, guys.... Let's not rag on Spoon because he's proud of what he's written.  dBPowerAmp is the swiss-army knife of tools/players.  A lot of functionality available in a given package.

Besidese, IIRC, someone would ask a question on how to do a certain task, and Spoon would often chime in saying dbPowerAmp can do this or something like it.  A dbPowerAmp zealot to be sure, but no more so than the many advocates/zealots of Foobar 2000 on this board.

Childish Behaviour

Reply #27 –
Spoon:
- To prevent futher foobar2000 vs dbpoweramp wars, your developer group is restored for now.
- You can post in "Validated news" again, but please don't do so. Use "news submissions" next time, just like everyone else does.
- I understand that a lot of people here have interest in your products, but such minor updates shouldn't really go to main news page. Most of their potential users will find them anyway, if posted in appropiate forum (that is one of AAC forums for AAC/MP4-related news).
Microsoft Windows: We can't script here, this is bat country.
 

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Reply #28 –
I'd like to add something here.

It seems to be a recurring pattern that some of the more "vocal" users on this board tend to sympathize with some people who receive harsh responses to their posts, no matter what the content of the posts that prompted those responses were, or the general attitudes or ideas that the original poster is showing.

In a community like this, one cannot hope to control all aspects of the way discourse unfolds, but there are a few points that are important enough to try and uphold:

1.  Reason and rationality in discussion.
2.  Scientific aims or methods (objectivism vs subjectivism)

and, what I makes HA perhaps more valuable than other similar forums:

3.  A low tolerance of nonsense and an influence towards "best of breed" software, utilities, ideas, etc.

How these points come together in some of these cases may not be pleasant to some people.  For example, the user that was originally posting in this case was not being reasonable -- he refused answers to his questions, argued against something he asked for originally (as if he didn't ask for it), and gave totally irrelevant and nonsensical reasons for doing so.

Maybe some people (which don't have to do the administration work) feel that they are able to allow for infinite amounts of patience and benefit of the doubt, but this is not realisitc.  Given that, and the fact that this user basically worked against points 1 and 3 that I outlined above, he received harsh responses.  While it is important to "be nice" to people on these forums (this is mainly so that discussion actually continues to take place), it is more important to uphold the integrity of information, the productivity, and the overall wellbeing of this forum.

Thus, towards posters and threads like this, it is OK for them to be naturally weeded out in such a fashion.  What can happen after this is that the person initatiing the originally discussion can either choose to learn from their mistakes or leave.  If they are the type of person that would rather leave than realize the possible error of their ways, then chances are this is not the kind of person that we want around here anyway (people who are not open to harsh debate and change).

Hydrogenaudio is not a support forum.  We have no obligation to be "accomodating" or "friendly" beyond reason.  This place is meant for discussion and debate, sometimes harsh debate.  This is how it takes place in the real world, and this is how it should be reflected on HA.  Again there are good reasons for "being nice", as far as fostering discussion goes, but nobody here (especially the admins) owe anything to any of these new users who may happen to approach the community in the wrong way.

Having said this, the one problem that may be coming to the fore more often is dogmatism.  It seems that there are some users who either appear to echo the opinions of other members blindly, but without the reason behind their words (distorting them and making them irrational).  While this is not a good thing, it becomes difficult at times to affect some of these users without causing more confusion than anything else.  However, for the most part, even dogmatism which follows the current "better" view of the community is frowned upon, and most of the time either other users or admins will at least say something (privately or otherwise).

The other side to this last point is that this behavior is a somewhat natural occurance of large size forum.  HA, I think, does a better job at handling this than most do though.

At any rate, it appears that some people have a hard time realizing these and other points on how the environment of this forum works, and why it works.  Some people prefer to always view the actions of someone in charge as unfair, yet they offer no good solution themselves or they would behave differently if they were in the position they were critiquing.  Some people even just like to have a cause to rally behind even if there is no reason to their cause -- they simply like controversy, like to create problems, or like to "fight the powah!"

The bottom line here is that while perhaps the response that this original poster received was not the most eloquent, it certainly was not unfair.  There is nothing "wrong" with HA, there is no great cause for alarm.  Rather, it's business as usual.  Get used to it or not...