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How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

  Newbie here, so I'll apologize right off the bat.

I have many ape and flac files which are single full albums, I of course want to have single tracks that make up the full album, not one big one. The ones that came with cue sheets I can split in Medieval Cue. I prefer flac over ape, so all the ape albums I have I already converted into flac with Ease Audio Converter, but I still have the full apes as well.

How do I split these large single flac or ape files into separate tracks without a cue sheet? Or, how do I create a cue sheet so I can use Medieval to split the flac or ape files?

I LOVE flac, so under no circumstance do I want to change the format to an inferior one. If anyone can help me with a solution it would be greatly appreciated.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #1 –
You can create a .cue file using a text editor.
You can view a .cue file, that you already have, to know about the syntax.
At the begining of the file you will find some information about the album, for example:
Code: [Select]
REM GENRE Reggae
REM DATE 1979
REM DISCID BA0AC50E
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.99pb4"
PERFORMER "Various"
TITLE "Rockers - Original Soundtrack"
FILE "Various - Rockers - Original Soundtrack.flac" WAVE


The next "block" is for the tracks, it contains  each track number, tittle, performer and index (when the track starts). If there are two index that means a pregap.

Code: [Select]
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "We 'A' Rockers"
PERFORMER "Inner Circle"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Money Worries"
PERFORMER "Maytones"
INDEX 01 03:23:49
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Police & Thieves"
PERFORMER "Junior Murvin"
INDEX 01 06:46:00
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Books Of Rules"
PERFORMER "The Heptones"
INDEX 00 10:38:63
INDEX 01 10:38:65


However I think that to find a .cue would be easier than recreate it manually.
Other option is to use any program that splits the files when it finds a silence. I know there are this kind of programs to split mp3, but I'm not sure if there are flac versions.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #3 –
Yoy might try a website like these to generate a cue-sheet: http://www.regeert.nl/cuesheet/
Programs like Audacity allows you to split a recording
TheWellTemperedComputer.com

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #4 –
Thank You for the help. Can you explain this to me though. I created the following cue sheet which worked great in Medieval Cue Splitter

Code: [Select]
[/code]PERFORMER "Opeth"
TITLE "Blackwater Park (2001)"
FILE "Opeth - Blackwater Park (2001).flac" FLAC
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Still Day Beneath The Sun"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "The Leper Affinity"
    INDEX 01 04:34:00
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    TITLE "Bleak"
    INDEX 01 14:57:00
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    TITLE "Patterns In The Ivy II"
    INDEX 01 24:13:00
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    TITLE "Harvest"
    INDEX 01 28:25:00
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    TITLE "The Drapery Falls"
    INDEX 01 34:26:00
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    TITLE "Drige For November"
    INDEX 01 45:20:00
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    TITLE "The Funeral Portrait"
    INDEX 01 53:14:00
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    TITLE "Patterns In The Ivy"
    INDEX 01 61:59:00
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    TITLE "Blackwater Park"
    INDEX 01 63:51:00[code]


And then I created another using the same formula, and it doesn't work in Medieval, the first 6 songs are like :11-:18 seconds long and the final song is almost the entire length of the album. When I inserted either cue sheet and then the large flac file into Medieval it pops up a log window, [WARNING:Type parameter for "FILE" command is 3] The Blackwater Park split perfectly, the Still Life did not. Same text, different result. Why?

Code: [Select]
[/code]PERFORMER "Opeth"
TITLE "Still Life (1999)"
FILE "Opeth - Still Life (1999).flac" FLAC
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "The Moor"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Godheads Lament"
    INDEX 01 00:11:25
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    TITLE "Benighted"
    INDEX 01 00:21:13
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    TITLE "Moonlapse Vertigo"
    INDEX 01 00:26:13
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    TITLE "Face Of Melinda"
    INDEX 01 00:35:13
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    TITLE "Serenity Painted Death"
    INDEX 01 00:43:12
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    TITLE "White Cluster"
    INDEX 01 00:52:25[code]

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #5 –
Quote
And then I created another using the same formula, and it doesn't work in Medieval, the first 6 songs are like :11-:18 seconds long and the final song is almost the entire length of the album.

The first track is 00 min 11 sec 25 frames long = 11+25/75 sec = 11.338 sec. If you want 11min:25sec you should write
Code: [Select]
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Godheads Lament"
    INDEX 01 11:25:00


Quote
When I inserted either cue sheet and then the large flac file into Medieval it pops up a log window, [WARNING:Type parameter for "FILE" command is 3]

The 3rd line is incorrect. It should be
Code: [Select]
FILE "Opeth - Still Life (1999).flac" WAVE

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #6 –
Don't know much about CUE sheets but
    INDEX 01 00:11:25
probably says that the next track starts at 11.25 seconds, indeed the duration you reported.
looks like you genereated the wrong times
TheWellTemperedComputer.com

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #7 –
Here is a screenshot of the Medieval program and error is on top. If you zoom in you can make out the text. The error says "Type parameter for "FILE" command is empty or unknown! 'FLAC' " "Line 3" And notice the song lengths are way off.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #8 –
Use http://www.regeert.nl/cuesheet/ and you get
PERFORMER "Opeth"
TITLE "Still Life (2003)"
FILE "Opeth - Still Life (2003).mp3" MP3
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "The Moor"
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Godhead's Lament"
INDEX 01 11:51:07
TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Benighted"
INDEX 01 22:30:36
TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Moonlapse Vertigo"
INDEX 01 28:23:20
TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "Face of Melinda"
INDEX 01 37:51:03
TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "Serenity Painted Death"
INDEX 01 45:51:72
TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "White Cluster"
INDEX 01 55:32:40
TheWellTemperedComputer.com

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #9 –
 THANK YOU so much friend, it split perfectly. I was assuming [00:00:00] was [hours:minutes:seconds], not [minutes:seconds:milliseconds].

And on the 3rd line, why was it so important to have [FILE "Opeth - Still Life (1999).flac" WAVE] instead of FLAC at the end? And should this be the case ALL the time when splitting flac?

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #10 –
I thank you to for the help. On the times I was assuming the [00]:00:00 was hours, not minutes. And on the 3rd line I changed FLAC with WAVE and it worked.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #11 –
mm:ss:ff

The last number is in frames (1/75 of a second), not milliseconds.

As for the FILE line, I believe the proper format is [... .flac" WAVE], but all that matters is that it works.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #12 –
I'm sorry but why are you so keen to help an obvious music pirate?

In other thread 2Bdecided wrote that the TOS #9 rule "is often interpreted to mean "don't talk about illegal files", though that's not what it says.".. is it like that? If yes, doesn't this thread fall under that rule then?

Maybe it's just me, I hate music piracy and pirates, and wouldn't want to see HA as a pirate friend.. today: helping pirates with their (possibly) dodgy scene releases, tomorrow: ?

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #13 –
His full quote was, "Rule 9 is often interpreted to mean "don't talk about illegal files", though that's not what it says." (The bolding is mine)

Although I feel much the same way you do (except for the slippery slope), 2Bdecided is right.

Food for thought: who cares about scene releases?  From what I gather they're in a quick race to the bottom.  I'd love to help those guys devolve into such a pathetic form of scum that anyone with even less than half a brain could see them for what they are.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #14 –
Quote from: greynol on
His full quote was, "Rule 9 is often interpreted to mean "don't talk about illegal files", though that's not what it says." (The bolding is mine)

Didn't I quote that also completely? I doubted that to be true, never seen often interpreted (when making moderative actions *) happen before, hence asking. Thanks for answering, I know that you know what's going on in here. Maybe the rule should be amended?

Quote from: greynol on
Food for thought: who cares about scene releases?

I'm not sure if this was directed at me alone or in general. Anyways, I actually wrote that "helping pirates with scene releases", and I meant the end-users who have downloaded scene rels (or whatever pirated music), not the main yahoos who are releasing them. And I'm not so sure that the music piracy is going down anytime soon. In the end, why help and encourage end-users with their pirated music at all? You want to spend your precious time helping these "iwantallforfreeandiwantitnow" losers? I wouldn't encourage them.
/rant

* maybe the original sentence is too ambiguous, I see now that I probably misunderstood what 2Bdecided actually meant by that.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #15 –
It's not my call about amending the rule and I have to admit that I'm on the fence about it.

I have been pretty vocal with my distaste to people that have clearly come to this place for help with illegal downloads.  In a recent discussion with others on the issue I am now inclined to enforce the rule by the letter rather than attach additional meaning to it.  As a result I have personally chosen not to help these people directly and would encourage others to do the same.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #16 –
Quote from: greynol on
I am now inclined to enforce the rule by the letter rather than attach additional meaning to it.

IMHO as it should be.. though sometimes you got to see the forest for the trees. I see the problematics with that possible new rule, you mods would have to turn into detectives -> more work = not good. I just hope that piracy friendly people here are not sending a bad signal to welcome all pirates.

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #17 –
You know, cuesheets in legit music can get messed up too. The information supplied in this thread, especially for a newbie, is good stuff to know. There are other programs & players out there that can rip CD's and produce cuesheets. Some in their early stages have had some problems (mostly minor) writing cuesheets that will work in every player; such as Frames not calculated properly or not writing the time properly after 76 mins, etc.. So, it is good to know about the information supplied here in this thread. Had the OP not mentioned where his music may have come from, then helping this person would never have come into question. Just for the sake of simple cuesheet troubleshooting, this is a good, legit thread.
Surf's Up!
"Columnated Ruins Domino"

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #18 –
I'm really sorry but I've to say that so what. This topic is not an isolated case (hence this thread is not so important to keep), there's much talk about it otherwise. I say that can it, regardless of what the content may be, I wouldn't want to welcome pirates with open arms to HA. Take a firm stance and keep it. I've heard/read many BS justifications of pirates/piracy and I'm sick of it.. seen it on couple of threads here. If a noobie has similar problems like this, they can write to here, right? So there's really no need to keep accepting pirates here.. whatever new info they might bring.

I think I've said all I wanted about this issue.. sorry if this got a bit off topic, it was not my intention to hijack this thread. I honestly think that it was good to talk about this in open (haven't seen many comments about this before). Mods, please PM me a warning before kicking me if you're fed up.
 

How To Split One Large Flac Into Tracks Without Cue

Reply #19 –
Quote from: Akkurat on
I think I've said all I wanted about this issue...
Thank goodness!  Now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion.
Surf's Up!
"Columnated Ruins Domino"