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M-Audio Profire 610

I'm wondering if anyone has had a chance to use this sound card?

I'm interested in it solely for it's playback features.

In my computer set-up, I cannot use a PCI card or the like.  I need to use an external sound card with at least 8 channels of output.  An optical out is a bonus, as are the mic connections as well.  A volume control on the unit is a bonus as I'd most likely be able to remote mount it for this project.

Anyone have any experience with this unit or something similar in terms of quality of construction and feature set?

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #1 –
Quote from: Jan B on
I'm wondering if anyone has had a chance to use this sound card?
First of all, that's not a sound card, its a firewire audio system. There is a big difference between that thing and standard sound cards / usb audio devices. Basically, unless you know what it does & how, you don't want to buy it.

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I'm interested in it solely for it's playback features.
Then a $500 professional multitrack recording device is the definition of overkill. It is not meant for playback of music / movies / whatever in surround sound; it is meant for software controlled multi-tracking. Each of those 8 line-outs is an independent stereo output.

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In my computer set-up, I cannot use a PCI card or the like.  I need to use an external sound card with at least 8 channels of output.  An optical out is a bonus, as are the mic connections as well.  A volume control on the unit is a bonus as I'd most likely be able to remote mount it for this project.
8 channels of output as in a 7.1 multichannel speaker setup? Because the thing you're looking at probably doesn't do that. Or something else? Can you tell us any details about this project?

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #2 –
Quote from: Klyith on
Each of those 8 line-outs is an independent stereo output.


Actually, you'll find that each of those line outs is an independent mono output. And, depending on the software, those outputs can be assigned to whatever you want. As far as the OS is concerned it'll be just another 8 channel sound card.
Dan

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #3 –
Quote from: Klyith on
First of all, that's not a sound card, its a firewire audio system. There is a big difference between that thing and standard sound cards / usb audio devices. Basically, unless you know what it does & how, you don't want to buy it.


Thanks for treating me like that.  I really appreciate it. 

I understand that it's intended use is for musicians and music creation/recording.  I understand that.  However, what my needs are dictate a high end solution, which cannot be found in a typical sound card solution.

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Then a $500 professional multitrack recording device is the definition of overkill. It is not meant for playback of music / movies / whatever in surround sound; it is meant for software controlled multi-tracking. Each of those 8 line-outs is an independent stereo output.


Thanks again.  I'm happy to know that you're able to tell what's worth the money or not for me and my project.  again.

I don't care about surround sound in the least, not in this application.  This is a stereo set-up with a 3-way front and a sub.  But again, thanks for jumping to conclusions...

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8 channels of output as in a 7.1 multichannel speaker setup? Because the thing you're looking at probably doesn't do that. Or something else? Can you tell us any details about this project?


Nope - not for surround sound, but for a 3-way front stage with a sub all for stereo playback.


So far you've only told me that I'm basically an idiot and that I'm not looking at the right solution, however, you failed to provide an alternative that meets my needs.

Thanks!

Quote from: danbee on
As far as the OS is concerned it'll be just another 8 channel sound card.


Bingo!

Thanks...

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #4 –
Why do you need 8 channels, if all of them are going to contain the same signal anyway? You know that you have to setup ASIO to make it work that way, right? Maybe a splitter cable would be just as easy, or maybe the car-amp could even be bridged to do the same.

I agree that anything above a normal soundcard is overkill. Better look at the DAC as mentioned in another thread. It's really the only thing you seem to need

Less is more...
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #5 –
Quote from: odyssey on
Why do you need 8 channels, if all of them are going to contain the same signal anyway? You know that you have to setup ASIO to make it work that way, right? Maybe a splitter cable would be just as easy, or maybe the car-amp could even be bridged to do the same.

I agree that anything above a normal soundcard is overkill. Better look at the DAC as mentioned in another thread. It's really the only thing you seem to need 

Less is more...


Yes, they ARE!  But guess what?  Again...my use for this ISN'T the same as the Blu-Ray player! It's NOT the intended purpose!  Imagine that!!  Woah.

I'm looking at doing all of my tuning on the computer, XO points, individual channel 31-band EQ, time alignment, phase, etc.

No one here seems to be able to think outside of their little boxes to even comprehend that there MIGHT just MIGHT be another use for a product out there than it's intended purpose.  Why is that concept so hard to grasp!

I'm not interested in having a NUMBER of DACs wired up in the car.  I can go analog out of this thing direct INTO the amps, after ALL tuning has been acomplished ON the computer.

Again, I'm back at square one....I just asked a SIMPLE question...anyone have any experience with this device.

I didn't ask for people to tell me to use something else, I didn't ask for anyone to scrutinize my plan.  Yet, for some reason, people around here feel that's the first step they need to take, why?  WHY?!

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Reply #6 –
You've wandered into someone's home. You do not like / understand the style / type of responses you get.

Why persist on knocking on the same door. Big ol' world out there

terry

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Reply #7 –
Quote from: tpijag on
You've wandered into someone's home. You do not like / understand the style / type of responses you get.

Why persist on knocking on the same door. Big ol' world out there

terry


Because both this thread was started before the other.  Ody decided to come over here and post in this thread....

The answers I'm getting here are not to the questions I'm asking, they are to the questions the respondents WANT to answer.

Sorry if I assumed that basic reading comprehension was a part of intelligent people's skills set.

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Reply #8 –
Quote from: Jan B on
No one here seems to be able to think outside of their little boxes to even comprehend that there MIGHT just MIGHT be another use for a product out there than it's intended purpose.  Why is that concept so hard to grasp!

  Please don't make me laugh. You of all people should not recommend people to think outside of a little box!

Any decent soundcard today has 8 channel discrete output. Your claim is perfectly valid and it's a good thought to do all x-over settings in software, but any good soundcard today can do this, and are MADE FOR THIS. You shouldn't go searching hardware that were created for other proffesional purposes. All you get is more expensive hardware and at most you will get a card that can be configured for low latency in professional audio editors - Do you really need that? NO!

Look for good DAC's - that's what you need.

Accept peoples recommendations on this forum or suit yourself, but then don't whine about lack in responses and that our recommendations is not really what you expected.
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #9 –
Quote from: odyssey on
Any decent soundcard today has 8 channel discrete output. Your claim is perfectly valid and it's a good thought to do all x-over settings in software, but any good soundcard today can do this, and are MADE FOR THIS.


Can you show me a sound card that has the ability to set XO points up to 36db/octave per discrete channel?  I'm not aware of one.  By the way, I need a voltage out from this sound card higher than 2 volts, preferably higher than 4 volts.  I also need a mic input in XLR format with phantom power and the ability to remote mount a volume knob.

If you can point me to another 'sound card' that has all of these options AND will provide a high quality D to A conversion, I'm all ears.  Otherwise, this is the best option I've found that fits these specifications AND runs on 12v DC.

So you see, my needs don't fit most options out there.  I suppose I should have specified ALL of these needs in depth, but again, why should I have to when all I'm doing is asking if anyone has any experiences with it?


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You shouldn't go searching hardware that were created for other proffesional purposes. All you get is more expensive hardware and at most you will get a card that can be configured for low latency in professional audio editors - Do you really need that? NO!


The features listed above dictate that I DO need a card with these features.

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Look for good DAC's - that's what you need.


Again, no it's not.  They don't fit my needs.  I would need to run 4 of them for starters as I rarely see a good DAC that has multiple high quality, high voltage outputs.  They would also need to run on DC power to boot WITHOUT having to custom build a power supply for each and every one of them.  Then there's an issue with finding a location for all of them in the car as well, not to mention securing them in such a manner that they would meet our standards.

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Accept peoples recommendations on this forum or suit yourself, but then don't whine about lack in responses and that our recommendations is not really what you expected.


I accept them if they fit the initial need.  So far, your recomendations are based on the assumption that you have come up with.  I never asked for recomendations other than to say if you don't have experience with this unit, please recomend something with a SIMILAR feature set.

Yet again, I'm failing to understand why some of you fail to grasp this concept!  I asked a question about A, you decide to tell me I'm wrong and I should go with D instead, when you have no clue why I need A in the first place.  I shouldn't have to go into this detail when all I'm asking for is for people with experience with A to tell me their experiences!

M-Audio Profire 610

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Can you show me a sound card that has the ability to set XO points up to 36db/octave per discrete channel? I'm not aware of one. By the way, I need a voltage out from this sound card higher than 2 volts, preferably higher than 4 volts. I also need a mic input in XLR format with phantom power and the ability to remote mount a volume knob.


I feel to see why you need all of this expensive hi-end equipment for?  What EXACTLY are you doing that you need microphone in a CarPC? Is this for your car competition again? Can you just answer that question without "whining" that people are justifying and questioning what you are attempting to do? If you can't do that then don't bother to waste people's time on this forum.  Again is this some sort of engineering competition? You are the most vague person in the world. 

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Yet again, I'm failing to understand why some of you fail to grasp this concept! I asked a question about A, you decide to tell me I'm wrong and I should go with D instead, when you have no clue why I need A in the first place. I shouldn't have to go into this detail when all I'm asking for is for people with experience with A to tell me their experiences!


How can anybody tell you their experiences with something that you refuse to discuss?. You act like you work for the government. Stop being stubborn. Just answer the damn question. It's that SIMPLE. You must be a rocket scientist if you are using this sort of logic.
budding I.T professional

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #11 –
This thread is getting quickly derailed into flames-land. Let's keep the posts constructive and on-topic, guys. Jan B is new here, cut him a little slack.

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #12 –
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Can you show me a sound card that has the ability to set XO points up to 36db/octave per discrete channel? I'm not aware of one. By the way, I need a voltage out from this sound card higher than 2 volts, preferably higher than 4 volts. I also need a mic input in XLR format with phantom power and the ability to remote mount a volume knob.


I feel to see why you need all of this expensive hi-end equipment for?  What EXACTLY are you doing that you need microphone in a CarPC? Is this for your car competition again? Can you just answer that question without "whining" that people are justifying and questioning what you are attempting to do? If you can't do that then don't bother to waste people's time on this forum.  Again is this some sort of engineering competition? You are the most vague person in the world. 


TrueRTA - in the car

I'm still failing to understand how my application changes someone else's experiences with a product.  I'm asking about other people's experiences with a product.  I'm not asking if it will fit my needs.

We are running a Focal Be front stage with STEG amplifiers.  We have 6 world titles, 2 best of shows and have been featured in a national magazine all in a matter of 4 years.  We take this VERY serious.  We don't play around as those we compete against don't either.  My husband and I have dedicated over 600 hours building this car to be at this level.  We have sponsors in France and in Italy that both count on our dedication and our success to help them sell product.  I'm not about to slap a piece of equipment in this set-up all based off of "because I said so". I have been involved in the CarpC industry for over 5 years.  I'm the first person in the world to win a title with a CarPC as my only source unit, let alone 6.  I've worked in the CarPC industry for 2 years, helping to advance it.

I research things and I don't go off of a simple answer.  I want to know WHY & HOW.  I want to fully understand WHY this was the best option for my project and I want to understand HOW I came about picking that option.  I want to know what other options are out there so that I can know I made the right choice.

This isn't a game to us, this isn't some kids playing around with their cars.

It seems to me that since I've come along, straying from the status quo, I've really upset the 'balance' here.  I'm not sure why that is, I've only asked some questions, and I've wantedanswers to those questions, not people treating me like a preschooler for asking those questions.  For instance, the guy saying the Blu-Ray thread was stupid because of the fact that there's two lasers.  I did not know that, so how was it a stupid question if you don't know?  It would have been EXTREMELY simple for someone to just say that up front or give me something other than the idea that it's the "belief" simply because it's the "belief".  Reading someone's postings on a forum shouldn't be ANYONE's only research method.

We all know that there is a ton of wrong information out there on forums.  I asked for proof of these claims and it's like I said the sky was falling.  So yeah, I still fail to understand this place and it's members attitude towards someone coming in and asking questions.

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We all know that there is a ton of wrong information out there on forums.


That is exactly what you're running into here, our internal anti-disinformation self-protection mechanisms. Your request is not making sense to some and they're responding in kind. I'm trying to keep it friendly but that isn't desired by some (apparently). My apologies for that. If I had more knowledge in this area (or maybe just had the time to get myself into your shoes right now) I'd try to help out myself.

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #14 –
Quote from: Klyith on
First of all, that's not a sound card, its a firewire audio system. There is a big difference between that thing and standard sound cards / usb audio devices. Basically, unless you know what it does & how, you don't want to buy it.
I fail to comprehend this distinction. Either it represents itself as an 8-channel audio device in Windows or it does not.

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #15 –
I'm not sure of your playback needs, but i.e. foobar2000 has a component that allows you to do the x-over and possibly fasing too all in software.

Another thing that came to my mind, is that you might check if the desired soundcard does internal resampling*. You can check this with the udial test sample (search these forums for "udial") - Beware it might damage speakers, so test with non-important equipment - If you read the thread you will find all required information.

*Although chances are that a highend device like the one you are looking at does it...
Can't wait for a HD-AAC encoder :P

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #16 –
Quote from: odyssey on
I'm not sure of your playback needs, but i.e. foobar2000 has a component that allows you to do the x-over and possibly fasing too all in software.


Yes.  I've been playing around with the idea of using Foobar some.  From this thread (project) on Mp3Car, a few of us have found the software that will allow us to do everything we need (I'm RedGTiVR6).

http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/high-end-s...ons-tuning.html

Currently, I'm using Centrafuse software, as it's who I worked for for a while and the interface lends its self well to use in the car.

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Another thing that came to my mind, is that you might check if the desired soundcard does internal resampling*. You can check this with the udial test sample (search these forums for "udial") - Beware it might damage speakers, so test with non-important equipment - If you read the thread you will find all required information.

*Although chances are that a highend device like the one you are looking at does it...


Thanks for the heads up.  I will add this to my list of things to check on.  It is appreciated.
 

M-Audio Profire 610

Reply #17 –
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We all know that there is a ton of wrong information out there on forums. I asked for proof of these claims and it's like I said the sky was falling. So yeah, I still fail to understand this place and it's members attitude towards someone coming in and asking questions.


What wrong information? I am sorry to say it, but difference and opinions aside it's probably one of the best audio forums on the internet. People agree to disagree on these forums, but if you disagree with somebody it doesn't necessarily mean that they are wrong.  You just need to ask the right questions and answer specific information. We do you continue to post here if you aren't finding the information that you are looking for? I am sure there are car audio forums out there. 


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TrueRTA - in the car


Thank you that's all I wanted to know. 
budding I.T professional