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Reply #25 –
Quote from: spoon on
No, and you cannot have one public database which is supplied from drives with different offsets and abilities and expect them all to overread. So it does the next best thing. When it comes to secure ripping there are layers of 'helpers' they are (in order of usefulness IMHO):

AccurateRip
C2 Pointers
Secure Ripping (re-reading)

With all 3 you are going to detect any and all errors with high degree of certainty. If there was a time when everyone ripped with the same drive, I could design accuraterip3 (ar2 is in progress) which would be bit perfect start to end.


Yes, but as I have pointed out for some time now, helpers 2 & 3 will not be used in dBpoweramp if there is an AR match, so it would be nice to have an OPTION to force ultrasecure ripping on the parts of the first and last track not covered by AR.

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: Eli on
it would be nice to have an OPTION to force ultrasecure ripping on the parts of the first and last track not covered by AR.

I second this
FLAC.

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Reply #27 –
Quote from: kornchild2002 on
Actually, in the U.S., the CD market is shortening.  The iTunes Store is the number one music retailer as they continue to sell more CDs (and songs) than Wal-Mart (they were #1), Best Buy (they were #2), and Amazon (they were #3 or maybe #4).  This shows that the U.S. is steadily going towards digital distribution as a viable method.



Sorry, but it seems you are not quoting correct figures. According to the 2008 IFPI report 'Recorded Music Sales', 82% of all music sales were generated by physical media that year, read CD and a couple music DVDs and even tapes and vinyl. According to the report this translated into roughly US$ 16 billion. Digital sales did grow by about 1/3, but generated 'only' US$ 2.9 billion.

Your whole post seems a bit less relying on facts than on feeling.

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Not only that but digital distribution is catching on in many European nations where a CD costs $20 (U.S.) yet they can download it for $10 (U.S.).


Where can I download my CDs for 6 Euros?  Russia is not exactly Europe when it comes to economical discussions, so these 'providers' of DRM free music won't count here. Amazon has yet to open their MP3 stores in Europe. And if you meant to talk about Itunes, then maybe first check the actual pricing of their items: a 1:1 conversion of Dollars to Euros makes it incredibly expensive to buy anything from them. (in lousy quality, if one might add)

I for one (and it seems like I'm not alone) will stick to purchasing select new CDs. And I'm pretty sure this option won't disappear in the short term.

flacflac

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Reply #28 –
Quote from: flacflac on
Sorry, but it seems you are not quoting correct figures. According to the 2008 IFPI report 'Recorded Music Sales', 82% of all music sales were generated by physical media that year, read CD and a couple music DVDs and even tapes and vinyl. According to the report this translated into roughly US$ 16 billion. Digital sales did grow by about 1/3, but generated 'only' US$ 2.9 billion.

Your whole post seems a bit less relying on facts than on feeling.


Look at Apple's website here (which took their numbers from the NPD) and you can look here for a graph.  The January 2008 music sales state that 19% of all music sold in the U.S. was through the iTunes Store making them the largest retailer (other than "other" which consists of non-classifiable methods for obtaining music).  I never said that the iTunes Store sells more than Best Buy, Amazon, and Wal-Mart combined (representing #3, #4, and #2 respectively) or that the iTunes Store was selling more music than all the other methods along with physical distribution combined.  I simply said that they sell more music than those stores.  Wal-Mart and Best Buy alone represent 28% of the music market, that is a big chunk that will take the iTunes Store a while to even get close to.  So please don't insert words into my mouth or say that my sources don't have correct figures.  I pulled those figures from Apple's website and then double-checked them with the NPD and many other websites.  Again, the iTunes Store being the number one retailer in the U.S. doesn't mean that they are selling more music than all the physical distribution methods combined.  It just means that they sell the most music, more than any other store (again, not combined).

As for the other comment, I am simply going off of a friend who lives in East Germany.  It is very possible that they are lying to me but they are a big proponent of digital downloads.  Not through the iTunes Store or anything like that but still through legal websites (ie not Russian ran sites that charge $0.05 for an illegal mp3).

That and the sound quality of the iTunes Store is subjective.  I, and apparently many others, find the quality suitable and even past ABX tests ran here on Hydrogenaudio show that the iTunes AAC encoder at the 128kbps VBR setting can perform just fine.  It is no FLAC but still...

Edit: It seems that I am getting off-topic now though.  I will leave it at that.

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: kornchild2002 on
So please don't insert words into my mouth or say that my sources don't have correct figures.  I pulled those figures from Apple's website and then double-checked them with the NPD and many other websites.  Again, the iTunes Store being the number one retailer in the U.S. doesn't mean that they are selling more music than all the physical distribution methods combined.  It just means that they sell the most music, more than any other store (again, not combined).


Apologies if I misunderstood you. The numbers by Apple might be a bit funky as the reaction to the Ars Technica post showed. But you are right, it does state that as a single store they sell the most music. Still yet, it should be kept in mind that physical media still generates by far more revenue, so it might well be more 5-10 years until the CD is really down. Dead it will probably never be (phsyical media, that is).

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As for the other comment, I am simply going off of a friend who lives in East Germany.  It is very possible that they are lying to me but they are a big proponent of digital downloads.  Not through the iTunes Store or anything like that but still through legal websites (ie not Russian ran sites that charge $0.05 for an illegal mp3).


Hmmm, East Germany does not exist as a country, but living in Germany for quite some time, I can tell you that the DRM-download market is pretty much the only existant one for legal downloads (Itunes, Musicload, MP3.de), offering only lossy quality at pretty steep prices: The current Kid "barf" Rock single goes for a sweet 1.49 Euros, equaling rougly USD 2.40. Hardly a steal... .

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That and the sound quality of the iTunes Store is subjective.  I, and apparently many others, find the quality suitable and even past ABX tests ran here on Hydrogenaudio show that the iTunes AAC encoder at the 128kbps VBR setting can perform just fine.  It is no FLAC but still...


Well, I don't claim to have ears to hear a difference between 192 and 224 kbit/s, but to me having things in a lossless format is always much more desirable. That is mostly due to the fact that I like to be able to make a lossless copy of my music for my car, or a lossy version if need be. And even if I saved 2 Dollars by going the download route, it would really not be worth it to me. That's why I try to keep the CD alive... .  (at least until we get direct master 24bits, as you promised me    )

So, again, apologies if I came across too rudely earlier. You should still try to become a lossless advocate though... .

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Reply #30 –
Quote from: flacflac on
Apologies if I misunderstood you. The numbers by Apple might be a bit funky as the reaction to the Ars Technica post showed. But you are right, it does state that as a single store they sell the most music. Still yet, it should be kept in mind that physical media still generates by far more revenue, so it might well be more 5-10 years until the CD is really down. Dead it will probably never be (phsyical media, that is).


It is OK.  I too used to question Apple's numbers especially since they were in trouble not too long ago (I want to say around 2005 or 2006) for their iTunes catalog size.  I think they said that they had over 8 millions songs that were available for download, then that actual number turned out to be 6 million, and then Apple later said 5 million.  So they have been know to falsify their numbers.  I trust them now though as Apple waits for official NPD releases, they no longer use their own estimates when it comes to iTunes Store sales.  I don't think that CDs will ever be dead.  iTunes' sales numbers just show that the U.S. doesn't mind downloading.  I still prefer to purchase the CD as I like to have a lossless backup of my music that I can encode to any lossy format at any bitrate setting that I like.

Quote from: flacflac on
Hmmm, East Germany does not exist as a country, but living in Germany for quite some time, I can tell you that the DRM-download market is pretty much the only existant one for legal downloads (Itunes, Musicload, MP3.de), offering only lossy quality at pretty steep prices: The current Kid "barf" Rock single goes for a sweet 1.49 Euros, equaling rougly USD 2.40. Hardly a steal... .


I think I am going to have to get more information from them.  Although the division between East Germany and West Germany has been dissolved for quite a bit of time, he still likes to refer to his place of residence as East Germany.  I don't know why though.  Maybe his parents still hold some grudge or maybe that is how the people are over there.  I live in the U.S. so I can by no means judge a person from a different country (unlike other Americans but that is a different story).  It could also be similar to the U.S. in that the Civil War was oh so long ago yet people from southern states still like to refer to them as The South.

Quote from: flacflac on
Well, I don't claim to have ears to hear a difference between 192 and 224 kbit/s, but to me having things in a lossless format is always much more desirable. That is mostly due to the fact that I like to be able to make a lossless copy of my music for my car, or a lossy version if need be. And even if I saved 2 Dollars by going the download route, it would really not be worth it to me. That's why I try to keep the CD alive... .  (at least until we get direct master 24bits, as you promised me    )

So, again, apologies if I came across too rudely earlier. You should still try to become a lossless advocate though... .


I too prefer to have a lossless backup but the majority of people who use the iTunes Store simply don't care.  I like having a lossless backup as it means that I will never have to rip my CDs again when a newer lossy encoder comes out that can obtain transparency at much lower bitrates or just when a new encoder comes out.  I have run down a couple of optical drives simply because I continued to rip my CDs every time a new version of Lame came out.  I find that encoding the lossless files is just easier.  I would prefer DRM-free lossless stores downloads but that probably won't happen for many years to come.  It has taken the music industry about 4 years to finally start offering DRM-free lossy files.  Tack on at least another 4 years before lossless and probably another 4 years for DRM-free lossless.  You never know though.

I too am sorry if I came off as rude.  That was not my intentions at all.  I simply wanted to state that digital downloads are taking off in the U.S. as the iTunes Store has been the number one retailer for pretty much all this year.  I will sometimes purchase content on the iTunes Store but only if that is the only method of distribution.  For example, Head (the guitarist who quit Korn back in 2005) will be releasing his new single (called "Flush") only through the iTunes Store next month.  I will probably download it.  I also use the iTunes Store if the prices are insanely cheap.  I purchased Otep's "The Ascension" album off of the iTunes Store as it was encoded at 256kbps (not that I can hear a difference), was DRM-free (one of the major selling points), and came out to $5.99 for the entire album.  I would have spent $12.99 purchasing the CD at Best Buy or $16.99 buying it at Hastings (a dedicated movie, music, book, and game store).  I think that over the years, I have spent about $200 on the iTunes Store but I started purchasing content even back in 2003 when it first opened (again, only consisting of singles that were either too hard to find on CD or just weren't released on CD along with digital only releases).

Again, I am sorry if I came off as being negative and rude and I hope that we didn't go too far off-topic with this discussion.

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Reply #31 –
I think what is different these days is that, people are buying more singles than albums. It's just if it's your favourite artist or band that you blind-purchase an entire album. One thing I am noticing in my behaviour is that not even my fav bands I'm getting all songs from their albums they release. And to think of how many LPs and Cassettes I had to buy just because of 1 song. Specially here where the singles market was never existant. I think FLAC or TAK downloads are just around the corner, and it would be REALLY nice to have a large downloadable catalogue like Amazon.com does. The DRM issue might be necessary because of P2P networks, it would be the only way to stop it.
 

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Reply #32 –
Quote from: MiD30s on
One thing I am noticing in my behaviour is that not even my fav bands I'm getting all songs from their albums they release. And to think of how many LPs and Cassettes I had to buy just because of 1 song.


Well there are still SOME artists that actually produce an album that is supposed to be listened to in its entirety. Now this does not necessarily go for generic pop/r&b trash, but then again these "artists" are not necessarily worth supporting. Itunes and its buy-one-song-only mentality is what is really ruining music, and turning it into a degenerate pseudo art form, wihle less and less albums with an artistic vision are being financed.

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Specially here where the singles market was never existant.


What a pity........ not.

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The DRM issue might be necessary because of P2P networks, it would be the only way to stop it.


Haha, now that's just nonsense, sorry. DRM is not working, obviously, which is why Amazon went without it from the start. It's also why Yahoo Music is closing down and why P2P is as big as it is. Or are you suggesting P2P has really suffered from Itunes' success as DRM king?

And I'm just wondering and really not meaning anything by it when I ask: why are you following a thread on perfect rips of actual CDs if all you do is purchase single tracks from Itunes?

Anyways, like kornchild mentioned earlier: this is way off topic. Sorry, couldn't help it.