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Which Plextor drive would be best ?

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Does anyone know if Firmware 1.03 fpr the PX-716 managed to fix all known problems related to DVD burning?
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According to the latest c't, the PX-716A still has some problems.
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Any drive in that review has its problems with burning at high speeds ... but the 716A is better for DAE than the 712A due to higher CD error correction capabilities ... see the CDR-Info review for more info.

The only problem is that the 716A isn't fully supported by the actual EAC version ...
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Is the "Plextor Premium" you're referring to the same drive as the "Plextor PlexWriter Premium"?[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=265314"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
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Thanks, JeanLuc! 

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... but the 716A is better for DAE than the 712A due to higher CD error correction capabilities ... see the CDR-Info review for more info.
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I went throught the review and do not see how you arrived to that conclusion. Could you elaborate?

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... but the 716A is better for DAE than the 712A due to higher CD error correction capabilities ... see the CDR-Info review for more info.
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I went throught the review and do not see how you arrived to that conclusion. Could you elaborate?
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Sure ... compare these two links

[a href="http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=9346&PageId=2]PX-712A CD Error Correction Assessment (CDR-Info Review)[/url]

PX-716A CD Error Correction Assessment (CDR-Info Review)

Don't be fooled that the 716A does not support C2 ... in fact, EAC's DAE Quality program dioes not recognize the 716A correctly.
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... but the 716A is better for DAE than the 712A due to higher CD error correction capabilities ... see the CDR-Info review for more info.
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I went throught the review and do not see how you arrived to that conclusion. Could you elaborate?
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Sure ... compare these two links

[a href="http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=9346&PageId=2]PX-712A CD Error Correction Assessment (CDR-Info Review)[/url]

PX-716A CD Error Correction Assessment (CDR-Info Review)

Don't be fooled that the 716A does not support C2 ... in fact, EAC's DAE Quality program dioes not recognize the 716A correctly.
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The plots obtained with the 712 are obviously wrong and therefore
meaningless. Anyone with a clue about testing would immediately
see it and restart his test, but not these guys (why am I not surprised?).

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... but the 716A is better for DAE than the 712A due to higher CD error correction capabilities ... see the CDR-Info review for more info.
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I went throught the review and do not see how you arrived to that conclusion. Could you elaborate?
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Sure ... compare these two links

[a href="http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=9346&PageId=2]PX-712A CD Error Correction Assessment (CDR-Info Review)[/url]

PX-716A CD Error Correction Assessment (CDR-Info Review)

Don't be fooled that the 716A does not support C2 ... in fact, EAC's DAE Quality program dioes not recognize the 716A correctly.
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The plots obtained with the 712 are obviously wrong and therefore
meaningless. Anyone with a clue about testing would immediately
see it and restart his test, but not these guys (why am I not surprised?).
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I also find it hard to believe that the PX-716A scored 100% (zero errors) on the Abex TCD-726.

If the PX-716A doesn’t support C2 error pointers then it wouldn’t be compatible with PlexTools error detection/recovery & this would also have me question if it’s a true Plextor & not just a rebagged Pioneer.

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If the PX-716A doesn’t support C2 error pointers then it wouldn’t be compatible with PlexTools error detection/recovery & this would also have me question if it’s a true Plextor & not just a rebagged Pioneer.
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This is slowly getting annoying - people don't seem to care reading before posting. It's something I discover on more and more forums...

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Don't be fooled that the 716A does not support C2 ... in fact, EAC's DAE Quality program dioes not recognize the 716A correctly.

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The plots obtained with the 712 are obviously wrong and therefore
meaningless. Anyone with a clue about testing would immediately
see it and restart his test, but not these guys (why am I not surprised?).
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I see what you mean ... the ABEX 721R does not contain damaged areas during the first 100 MB

Nevertheless, the 716A managed to score a better error correction (compared to its predecessor) during the latest 'ct review as well so the 716A would definitely be my choice over the 712A.

As an owner of a 712A, I can additionally state that the Premium does a much better job of error correction than the 712A (when using Plextools Pro)
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I see what you mean ... the ABEX 721R does not contain damaged areas during the first 100 MB

Correctomundo ! The end of the disc is clean too, as you can
clearly see from their highly professional test... 

Can you give more details about C't tests of the 716 ? 
Did their testing methods/results look convincing ?

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Reply #34 –
I recently got my hands on a Plextor PX-W4012A and I am quite pleased with it.  My Lite-On drive does better with scratched discs, but the plextor supports overreading and the things needed to make nice cd backups.  Also it only cost me about $30, so for the price I'd recommend it as a great drive for backing up cd's if you can find one.

EDIT: Also I don't use plextools, I use EAC with it.

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Can you give more details about C't tests of the 716 ? 
Did their testing methods/results look convincing ?
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They did send the written discs to Audiodev for measurements and the results weren't that promising (at the highest possible speed, that is).

Positive:

Good (first place in the review on that point) quality with DVD+R DL from Verbatim (MKM001) and Ricoh (RICOHJPND00 Inverse-Stack type) at 4x

Good overall (first place again) CD/DVD reader with high speed and good error correction scores of 86% (CD), 88% (DVD/R) and 79% (DVD-9)

2nd place in access times and first place in noise

Reads every audio protection

Negative:

No DVD could be written at 16x with acceptable quality (actually, no DVD writer in the review could do so). They did test with FW 1.02 ... 1.03 might have lead to better results.

Their conclusion is that DVD writing at 16x is still more of a gamble and far from being reliable.

My opinion is that the 716A (it is small-sized, too) is the most versatile drive that has been tested in this particular review ... if you want to install only one drive and can wait some extra minutes to burn your DVD's at 4x or 6x CLV (maybe 8x P-CAV too) instead of 12/16x, the 716A is a great piece of (twice as expensive, though) hardware.

I will get one once the price for the retail version is below 100€ in my country.
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Nevertheless, the 716A managed to score a better error correction (compared to its predecessor) during the latest 'ct review as well so the 716A would definitely be my choice over the 712A.

The second opinion certainly lends more weight to cdrinfo's findings. Esp. as c't must run  more than two tests, right?

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As an owner of a 712A, I can additionally state that the Premium does a much better job of error correction than the 712A (when using Plextools Pro)
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My experience is the opposite: the 712A does better on more CDs in my collection than the Premium. But there were a couple that the Premium did better with, so overall it is nice to have both :).

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