Skip to main content

Notice

Please note that most of the software linked on this forum is likely to be safe to use. If you are unsure, feel free to ask in the relevant topics, or send a private message to an administrator or moderator. To help curb the problems of false positives, or in the event that you do find actual malware, you can contribute through the article linked here.
Topic: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother? (Read 5231 times) previous topic - next topic
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

So my computer is feeding a Logitech Z623 2.1 set which is a few years old. I don't find them offensive speakers, given their modest price, but I don't get the clarity of individual instruments/voices that I do with my headphones (an old pair of AKG K240's, nothing special). I mostly listen to jazz and classical, though I've got a bit of everything in my library. I do a little gaming on the PC or on a PS3 on the same monitor, but I play more strategy games and RPG's, not shooters with big explosions and sound effects. I don't watch movies on the PC at all. So I'm thinking that losing the Z623's subwoofer in exchange for hopefully better audio quality from a pair of Audioengine A2+'s would be a worthwhile tradeoff. If I were choosing a new purchase now, I'd just go with the A2+'s, but I'm not sure it's worth decommissioning my perfectly functional Z623's, which I might get $50 for on eBay after fees if I'm lucky.

There are plenty of comparisons online, but... I trust people here a lot more. Do you think the A2+'s are worth the upgrade at $250? Any other desktop speakers you'd recommend instead? Though gaming sound is not a priority for me, it is important that I can at least feed a PS3/PS4 output direct to the speakers, as I don't really want to invest in a separate amp to manage inputs. I know the A2+'s can do that, but I don't know if that's a common feature or not in other powered speaker sets.

Thanks for any advice you can provide.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #1
I should also mention that I've grown accustomed to sitting in a butterfly chair at my desk. This puts my ears at about 8 inches above the surface of my desk instead of the usual 24 inches or so. It's not great for writing with pen and paper, but I do almost all my work on the computer and I find it much easier on my back. So speakers with built-in stands/ramps to angle their sound upwards will not be ideal for me.

Also, I do have somewhat limited desk space due to various electronics and other bits in the vicinity. The A2+'s look to have a slightly larger footprint than the Z623's, and that's fine. But I don't think I'd want to get much bigger than those. The A5's, for example, look like they'd be hard to fit in my available space. But apart from space constraints, I don't care about stylistic concerns - my office is pretty much a man-cave that few dare to enter.


Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #3
I'd recommend Swan or Yamaha. And if you have the budget, Aktimates or Adam Audio. I'd stay clear off JBL, Focal, Klipsch, Genelec, Logitechs, Audioengines, Bose, Creative etc.

My order of preference would probably be:

Adam > Yamaha / Aktimates > Swan
AVI ADM 9RS | HD 650 | HD 598 | Asus Essence One Muses Edition DAC & HA | Garage1217.com Project Ember HA | Asus STX DAC & HA | Fiio E12 | iDevices

To get added to my Whatsapp Audiophilia group, PM me!

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #4
A studio monitor setup is certainly tempting, though the prices get huge fast. But if I were to go that way, what else would I need in terms of amps, DAC's, etc. to handle inputs? As I said, I want to at least be able to hook up a game console to the system. And I would very, very much like to have a physical, front-facing volume knob. Is there a desktop-sized unit that's appropriate for that, or would I be looking at a full-size amp?

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #5
I'd stay clear off JBL, Focal, Klipsch, Genelec, Logitechs, Audioengines, Bose, Creative etc.

Why? Apart from Logitech, Bose and Creative, all of those brands make great speakers.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #6
All of them are known to be overly bright and fatiguing. And neither of those hold a candle to the speakers I recommended over them.
AVI ADM 9RS | HD 650 | HD 598 | Asus Essence One Muses Edition DAC & HA | Garage1217.com Project Ember HA | Asus STX DAC & HA | Fiio E12 | iDevices

To get added to my Whatsapp Audiophilia group, PM me!

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #7
All of them are known to be overly bright and fatiguing. And neither of those hold a candle to the speakers I recommended over them.

AE isn't bright. But AE is over priced and muddy compared to Swan/Aktimates.
AVI ADM 9RS | HD 650 | HD 598 | Asus Essence One Muses Edition DAC & HA | Garage1217.com Project Ember HA | Asus STX DAC & HA | Fiio E12 | iDevices

To get added to my Whatsapp Audiophilia group, PM me!

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #8
All of them are known to be overly bright and fatiguing. And neither of those hold a candle to the speakers I recommended over them.

"Known" to be overly bright and fatiguing? Known by whom?

Have you actually listened to them? I'm sure a good handful of members on this site can tell you just how wrong you are about speakers like the JBL LSR305s.

And seeing as I own a pair of Adam A5Xs that I am very satisfied with, you recommend them while chastising other whole speaker brands for being too bright, which is a bit disingenuous. Firstly because you can't just tar all of a brands' speaker models with one brush, and secondly because the Adams have quite 'forward' treble. Not overly so, but definitely more than the JBL LSRs, for instance.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #9
Heard bad stuff about JBL. And had some bad experiences with JBL. Only heard good stuff about the brands I suggested. Haven't heard the Adams, but have heard many others from the suggested/not suggested list.
AVI ADM 9RS | HD 650 | HD 598 | Asus Essence One Muses Edition DAC & HA | Garage1217.com Project Ember HA | Asus STX DAC & HA | Fiio E12 | iDevices

To get added to my Whatsapp Audiophilia group, PM me!

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #10
But if I were to go that way, what else would I need in terms of amps, DAC's, etc. to handle inputs?
Actually, I guess I'm OK with the SMSL I've already got. I forgot that it had RCA outputs for speakers. And the SMSL has a pushbutton input selector between Optical and Coax audio. And a front volume knob. So... I could just run the PC's optical to the SMSL, convert the PS3/4's optical to coax, run that to the other SMSL input, and then connect the SMSL RCA outputs to monitors. That all basically works, right? (I'm new to this.)

edit: Forgot that I didn't mention the SMSL in the OP. It's this unit.

I'm sure there are slightly better and much fancier units out there than the SMSL, but I've yet to read any negative comments about it from people that have actually compared it directly to higher end gear. I'd be limited to two audio sources with this solution, but I can cross that bridge later if I need to. And not having to buy a new amp/dac/whatever would definitely make a studio monitor solution more approachable.

I'm not sure where techboy is reading, but I seem to read a lot of great things about the JBL LSR305's considering their price. I'm not ready to spend $1000 for a pair of Adam Audio A5X's or similar at this point. Maybe in the future I'd think about it, if I had a slightly better system in place that I could audition them against. Are there other studio monitors coming in at less than $500/pair that are worth considering over the JBL's? Maybe the KRK Rokit 5's or 6's, or the Yamaha HS5? Everything I read suggests the JBL's are unmatched in their price class. How much more would an extra $100 buy me over them?

Between the A2+'s and the JBL's (or some comparable monitor), is it correct to say that the only real advantage of the A2's is the small form factor, the integrated DAC, and aesthetics? I could just squeeze the JBL's into my desk, it looks like I've got my inputs sorted out, and I don't care what they look like. So would a monitor solution likely be better for me?

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #11
Heard bad stuff about JBL. And had some bad experiences with JBL. Only heard good stuff about the brands I suggested. Haven't heard the Adams, but have heard many others from the suggested/not suggested list.

So you recommend the Adams despite not actually having heard them yourself? So what is the basis of your recommendation?

And you dismiss all JBL products because of a few bad experiences with their products? I'm guessing you've had the "pleasure" of some of their consumer junk, but the JBL Pro products (including the LSR monitors) are a completely different kettle of fish and there is no direct connection between the two, other than the name.

I'm not sure where techboy is reading, but I seem to read a lot of great things about the JBL LSR305's considering their price. I'm not ready to spend $1000 for a pair of Adam Audio A5X's or similar at this point. Maybe in the future I'd think about it, if I had a slightly better system in place that I could audition them against. Are there other studio monitors coming in at less than $500/pair that are worth considering over the JBL's? Maybe the KRK Rokit 5's or 6's, or the Yamaha HS5? Everything I read suggests the JBL's are unmatched in their price class. How much more would an extra $100 buy me over them?

Between the A2+'s and the JBL's (or some comparable monitor), is it correct to say that the only real advantage of the A2's is the small form factor, the integrated DAC, and aesthetics? I could just squeeze the JBL's into my desk, it looks like I've got my inputs sorted out, and I don't care what they look like. So would a monitor solution likely be better for me?

Let me put it like this: I own a pair of Adam A5Xs, they're my main speakers, and I absolutely love them. The sound quality is astounding and the amount of solid well-defined bass Adam has managed to extract from such small speakers is nothing short of amazing. They're the best speakers I've ever owned.

But if I had to buy a pair of studio monitors today, I wouldn't buy the Adams. I paid ~$700 for the pair, and for that money I could buy four LSR305s and still have money left over, or two LSR308s and quite a lot of money left over. The LSRs are amazing bargains for the sound quality you get. Granted, the build quality doesn't feel quite as high-class as the Adams, the woofer is made from slightly more mundane materials (no carbon fiber etc.), and the tweeter is a normal softdome unit rather than a high-tech folded ribbon. But none of that matters, because the LSRs still sound amazing, so who cares how fancy the materials are?

And yes, the main draw of the Audioengine A2+s is the small form factor, the built-in USB DAC and the looks. However, you might as well forget about any sort of bass below ~80Hz, they can't cheat physics. They're great for what they are, but sound-quality wise, you'd definitely be better off with a larger set of speakers.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #12
Drat... it looks like the SMSL's rear RCA outputs bypass the volume knob. If I understand things correctly, I could run the SMSL's output into this Schitt unit and then out to the speakers? It's essentially just a volume knob on a box, right? And it also gives me another analog input if I want one. So I could, for example, run a PS3's analog to the Schitt and a PS4's digital to the SMSL.

edit: Thanks for the recs, Kozmo.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #13
Yes, that Schiit unit would work fine as a volume control for a set of active speakers.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #14
OK, after quite a bit more reading at various places, I'm going to go ahead and buy the JBL's. I wasn't really intending to jump in and buy anything right away. But I've rarely seen any piece of electronics gear so universally acclaimed for its value-for-dollar, and at $300 (with the Schiit and some cables) it's a price I can afford to jump at. If nothing else, it will give me a good reference point for further reading and a good baseline for auditioning even better speakers eventually, should I ever decide I want to go there.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #15
As widely acclaimed as they are, I'd still recommend that you listen to them before buying a set.

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #16
As widely acclaimed as they are, I'd still recommend that you listen to them before buying a set.
A completely reasonable suggestion that I ignored - but I do admit I *should* have done that. However, despite living in a big city, there's not an audio shop all that convenient to me or my schedule. And given how little experience I have listening to decent speakers, I feared I would walk out of an audio shop having spent money needlessly. (Especially since I would feel obligated to buy from the shop if I used their services, and thus pay considerably more compared to Amazon.) So I went ahead and bought the 305's blind (deaf?) from Amazon.

They arrived today and they're amazing. If I could have paid approximately the same for something slightly preferable from a different set, I'm fine with that... because I still vastly prefer them to the Z623's. Mainly, they have actual stereo imaging - I can point to the saxophone now! I'm not sure I can hear an enormous difference in the quality of individual instruments/voices, and certainly couldn't produce TOS8-compliant evidence to that effect. My impression is that the Z623's were actually fairly decent there. But the difference in stereo imaging is vast. And for the jazz/classical music I generally listen to, I don't mind the lack of subwoofer-powered bass at all.

I may eventually consider other, higher-end speakers. But we'll see... while I am a math/science geek, I don't want audio to become an end in itself. I could probably live with these speakers forever. At the very least, I'll want to get the speaker positioning and room setup improved and give myself plenty of time to listen to lots of music on these speakers before I consider purchasing anything else. I'm very happy with the purchase.


 

Re: Upgrade Z623's to...? A2+'s? Something else? Don't bother?

Reply #17
Heard bad stuff about JBL. And had some bad experiences with JBL. Only heard good stuff about the brands I suggested. Haven't heard the Adams, but have heard many others from the suggested/not suggested list.

So you recommend the Adams despite not actually having heard them yourself? So what is the basis of your recommendation?

And you dismiss all JBL products because of a few bad experiences with their products? I'm guessing you've had the "pleasure" of some of their consumer junk, but the JBL Pro products (including the LSR monitors) are a completely different kettle of fish and there is no direct connection between the two, other than the name.

I'm not sure where techboy is reading, but I seem to read a lot of great things about the JBL LSR305's considering their price. I'm not ready to spend $1000 for a pair of Adam Audio A5X's or similar at this point. Maybe in the future I'd think about it, if I had a slightly better system in place that I could audition them against. Are there other studio monitors coming in at less than $500/pair that are worth considering over the JBL's? Maybe the KRK Rokit 5's or 6's, or the Yamaha HS5? Everything I read suggests the JBL's are unmatched in their price class. How much more would an extra $100 buy me over them?

Between the A2+'s and the JBL's (or some comparable monitor), is it correct to say that the only real advantage of the A2's is the small form factor, the integrated DAC, and aesthetics? I could just squeeze the JBL's into my desk, it looks like I've got my inputs sorted out, and I don't care what they look like. So would a monitor solution likely be better for me?

Let me put it like this: I own a pair of Adam A5Xs, they're my main speakers, and I absolutely love them. The sound quality is astounding and the amount of solid well-defined bass Adam has managed to extract from such small speakers is nothing short of amazing. They're the best speakers I've ever owned.

But if I had to buy a pair of studio monitors today, I wouldn't buy the Adams. I paid ~$700 for the pair, and for that money I could buy four LSR305s and still have money left over, or two LSR308s and quite a lot of money left over. The LSRs are amazing bargains for the sound quality you get. Granted, the build quality doesn't feel quite as high-class as the Adams, the woofer is made from slightly more mundane materials (no carbon fiber etc.), and the tweeter is a normal softdome unit rather than a high-tech folded ribbon. But none of that matters, because the LSRs still sound amazing, so who cares how fancy the materials are?

And yes, the main draw of the Audioengine A2+s is the small form factor, the built-in USB DAC and the looks. However, you might as well forget about any sort of bass below ~80Hz, they can't cheat physics. They're great for what they are, but sound-quality wise, you'd definitely be better off with a larger set of speakers.

Lol @ JBL LSR305s are trash when they produce some of the best measurements on and off-axis for any speaker ever made, have a mic pointed at them, recorded and still sound incredibly similar to the source, and can be found at like $99 a pop.

But no, they are "too bright" because infallible subjectivity. And we know expensiver stuff couldn't possibly perform any worse right?