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TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #25
Beta 2 released

You can download it from the first post.

  Thomas

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #26
I still would like to receive more feedback regarding the new tagging functionality.
I'm sorry for late feedback.
As to the new tagging function, 3 differences between TAKC and WAPET are felt to be inconvenient. 
  • Tagging multibyte characters

    TAKC adds unnecessary values.

    • Tested:
      Drag&drop a wav to a batch file like this:
      (Perhaps "chcp 932" or something is needed.)
      Code: [Select]
      path %path%;C:\Program Files\Tak\
      path %path%;C:\Program Files\wapet\
      cd /d "%~dp1"
      rem Copy^&Paste from [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China[/url]
      Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Title=中" "%~1" "%~n1-takc-c1.tak"
      Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Title=中國" "%~1" "%~n1-takc-c2.tak"
      wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet-c1.tak" -t "Title=中" Takc.exe -e "%~1" "%~n1-wapet-c1.tak"
      wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet-c2.tak" -t "Title=中國" Takc.exe -e "%~1" "%~n1-wapet-c2.tak"
      rem Copy^&Paste from [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan[/url]
      Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Title=日" "%~1" "%~n1-takc-j1.tak"
      Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Title=日本" "%~1" "%~n1-takc-j2.tak"
      wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet-j1.tak" -t "Title=日" Takc.exe -e "%~1" "%~n1-wapet-j1.tak"
      wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet-j2.tak" -t "Title=日本" Takc.exe -e "%~1" "%~n1-wapet-j2.tak"
      rem Copy^&Paste from [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea[/url]
      Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Title=한" "%~1" "%~n1-takc-k1.tak"
      Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Title=한국" "%~1" "%~n1-takc-k2.tak"
      wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet-k1.tak" -t "Title=한" Takc.exe -e "%~1" "%~n1-wapet-k1.tak"
      wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet-k2.tak" -t "Title=한국" Takc.exe -e "%~1" "%~n1-wapet-k2.tak"
      Takc.exe -fi "%~n1-takc-j2.tak">"%~n1-takc-j2.txt"
      pause
    • Result:
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      === test-takc-j2.tak ==========================================

        File size:                    32.77 MB
        Header size:                  0.11 KB
          Unused:                      0.00 KB
        Compression:                  72.32 %
        Samples per channel:      11879952
        File duration:              269.39 sec
        Frame duration:                125 ms
        Seek table:              Not available
        Audio format:            PCM, 44100 Hz, 16 Bits, 2 Channels
        Encoder:                V 1.1.2, -p2
        Wave file meta data:    Header 44, Footer 0 Bytes
        MD5:                    Not available
        APEv2-Tag:              Yes / 1 Items / 0.08 KB
        Status:                  Ok
      Though TAKC says test-takc-j2.tak is OK, Winamp shows its title to be "日本;;" and foobar2000 does as "日本; ". Mp3tag says it has 2 "TITLE" keys.

      [a href=\"http://img31.imageshack.us/i/takcjk.png/\" target=\"_blank\"]
  • Embedding a cuesheet

    Foobar2000 Properties dialogue is empty and says no embedded cuesheet is present, but this latter probably has something to do with the tak foobar component.
    Same here. TAKC adds unnecessary values.

    • Tested:
      Drag&drop a wav or a cue to a batch file like this:
      Code: [Select]
      path %path%;C:\Program Files\Tak\
      path %path%;C:\Program Files\wapet\
      cd /d "%~dp1"
      Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Cuesheet=@%~n1.cue" "%~n1.wav" "%~n1-takc.tak"
      wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet.tak" -f "cuesheet=%~n1.cue" Takc.exe -e "%~n1.wav" "%~n1-wapet.tak"
      Takc.exe -fi "%~n1-takc.tak">"%~n1-takc.txt"
      pause
    • Result:
      Code: [Select]
      === WHAM! - LAST CHRISTMAS-takc.tak ===========================

        File size:                    66.51 MB
        Header size:                  0.11 KB
          Unused:                      0.00 KB
        Compression:                  58.93 %
        Samples per channel:      29582280
        File duration:              670.80 sec
        Frame duration:                125 ms
        Seek table:              Not available
        Audio format:            PCM, 44100 Hz, 16 Bits, 2 Channels
        Encoder:                V 1.1.2, -p2
        Wave file meta data:    Header 44, Footer 0 Bytes
        MD5:                    Not available
        APEv2-Tag:              Yes / 1 Items / 0.64 KB
        Status:                  Ok
      Though TAKC says this TAK image is OK, foobar2000 says "Embedded Cuesheet : no". Mp3tag says it has 2 "CUESHEET" keys.

      [a href=\"http://img208.imageshack.us/i/takcue.png/\" target=\"_blank\"]

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #27
I still would like to receive more feedback regarding the new tagging functionality.

I'm sorry for late feedback.

Thank you! 

As to the new tagging function, 3 differences between TAKC and WAPET are felt to be inconvenient. 

  • Tagging multibyte characters
    ...
    TAKC adds unnecessary values.
    ...
    Though TAKC says test-takc-j2.tak is OK, Winamp shows its title to be "??;;" and foobar2000 does as "??; ". Mp3tag says it has 2 "TITLE" keys.
    ...
    I guess you feel reluctant to support foreign languages, though...

No! i really would like to implement it!

But it (true unicode support for the command line) is not easy... And unfortunately i don't know much about localization.

But i will try to learn a bit more.

  • Embedding a cuesheet
    Foobar2000 Properties dialogue is empty and says no embedded cuesheet is present, but this latter probably has something to do with the tak foobar component.

    Same here. TAKC adds unnecessary values.

  • Tested:
    Drag&drop a wav or a cue to a batch file like this:
    Code: [Select]
    Takc.exe -e -overwrite -tt "Cuesheet=@%~n1.cue" "%~n1.wav" "%~n1-takc.tak"
    wapet.exe "%~n1-wapet.tak" -f "cuesheet=%~n1.cue" Takc.exe -e "%~n1.wav" "%~n1-wapet.tak"

    ...
    Though TAKC says this TAK image is OK, foobar2000 says "Embedded Cuesheet : no". Mp3tag says it has 2 "CUESHEET" keys.

Regarding foobar: it's indeed a plugin issue.

But i don't know what is going on with Mp3tag respectively Takc...

  • Tagging from a text file

    This is not a bug, but TAKC doesn't work if I edit the second batch file and change the cuesheet option from -tt "Cuesheet=@%~n1.cue" to -tt "Cuesheet=@%~dpn1.cue" or -tt "Cuesheet=@*.cue"

Since @ doesn't support wildcards, "Cuesheet=@*.cue" has to fail. But i don't know, why "Cuesheet=@%~dpn1.cue" does not work...

Again, thank you for your very detailed report!

  Thomas

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #28
Glad to see there is progress. foobar's TAK decoding is 6-7% faster now for p0-p1 on E2160.
Now transcoding to lossy formats  from TAK p0-p1 is only about <2% slower than from FLAC.

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #29
 How to play tak files in WMP???
~----j0hnNyplAy----~

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #30
Decode them to WAV or reencode to something else (e.g. WMA Lossless).

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #31
Well any other option than that..?

To re-encode TAK files to WAV is just like you are murdering the format!!!

Aren't the developers, developing any plugins so that simple players like WMP support them, so that the format rises, coz I like this format and it's too close to flac in encoding and decoding time, and we need something like that, and yeah I know there's a plugin for Winamp that works for Mediamonkey to, but that doesn't cut it, to widespread the format, it's codec should be developed.

I use a codec pack like K-lite Media Codec Pack and everyone says that it supports every codec but it doesn't support TAK, and it is a free codec pack so I think the developers can ask them to embed TAK codec with their pack so that it gets bigger platform and portability.
~----j0hnNyplAy----~

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #32
Up to now TAK's closed source, so unless Tom develops anything for WMP himself you're outta luck, just ditch that awful player man.

Moderation: Removed unnecessary quotation of the previous post.
WavPack 5.1.0 -b384hx6cmv / qaac 2.64 -V 100

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #33
Sounds like useless off-topic discussion. How does WMP equal "widespread" when it works only on Windows, just like the other playback solutions?

Don't even get me started on, "If it's open source..." >:(
"Something bothering you, Mister Spock?"

TAK 1.1.2 - Beta release

Reply #34
Yep, and thankfully we haven't seen the usual open source trolling (I think the previous zealots got the message last time around).

TAK 1.1.2 has been released.  Some of you seem to want to continue an off-topic discussion, so I have closed this thread.
Is 24-bit/192kHz good enough for your lo-fi vinyl, or do you need 32/384?

 
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