What commandline do you use with MPC? Reply #25 – 2002-08-09 12:24:17 QuoteOriginally posted by Continuum I don't know. I think the quoted statement is more honest than stating that --standard is completely insufficient without providing evidence of this. It doesn't say anything is wrong with the codec and thus is not leading people to stay away from certain settings without good reasonI don't read German, so I wouldn't know.From a crude Babelfish translation I get the impression that there's the statement in there that the inclusion of the other settings must mean that they are somehow useful/necessary.Well, first of all, Buschel, the original MPC author, has stated many times that --standard is supposed to be transparent. Beyond that I've never seen a clear reason for the existance of xtreme, and insane has always been unnecessary and is just a mode useful for comparing graphs in cool edit.This is really pretty much similar to the --alt-presets in LAME. --alt-preset standard is what you're supposed to do. --alt-preset extreme offers no clear benefits, and insane is totally unnecessary. Almost any sample which screws up standard is also going to screw up insane, just maybe to a tiny degree less.Back to the original point, if someone says they can hear a difference at such a level, and at a point to where it goes beyond what the majority of this board have found to be the case, then I expect some sort of proof of this. I'm not looking to say that everyone is wrong, I'm looking to find the truth of the matter. I'm tired of people jumping to stupid conclusions based on false information. There's enough of that out there on other sites, we don't need it on HA as well. I'm a little more agitated about this kind of thing than normal given some of the comments made in regards to ff123's test on other sites. It's clear that most people don't give a damn about objectivity or proper testing at all. Well, as the founder/owner/admin of HA, I've stated many times that this is not what the forums here are about. Instead, the idea is to create progress through assembling a knowledge base founded upon reason, verifiable data, and tendency towards objectivity. I don't want to see these continue to be dilluted by the current trendy nonsense which has been popping up around MPC (ie, the need to encode with --braindead because --standard just isn't good enough, etc, without performing any listening tests or providing any test data).Quote("standard can't be enough, because it's only standard").This assertion has not a single shred of correlation to actual measured audio quality. It's simply a misunderstanding of terms. Perhaps --transparent would be a better name than --standard and then everything above could be named --bitwastelevel1...level2... etc. It really doesn't matter what you call it though.Everyone should feel free to use what they want to encode. I'm not so pretentious as to tell people what they can and can't do. However, if you plan on recommending settings to other people (or even implying that they are necessary) on this forum and you make an outrageous statement, be prepared to back it up.