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Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-07 05:21:58
This thread will be used to gather an accurate list of DAE drive features. Just post your drive(s) features in this thread & I will add them to my database.

The lists main purpose is to provide sample offsets for users who don't have one of EAC's key CD's & help people decide which is an optimal drive for use with EAC & which is a suitable drive for accurate results with CD Paranoia.

I will not add any incomplete records into the database so you must provide all the required fields.

Required Fields:Example:

Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - SAMSUNG
Type - CD-ROM
Model - SH-152A
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +12
Firmware - C504


Results so far:

(http://users.tpg.com.au/chirano/driveFeatures.gif)

Database file (xls):

10-04-2005 (http://users.tpg.com.au/chirano/driveFeatures_xls/10-04-2005.zip)
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: unfortunateson on 2005-03-07 05:43:28
Code: [Select]
Type - MICRO ADVANTAGE DVD-RW
Model - IDE1008
Accurate Stream - YES
Disable Cache - YES
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread I/O - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +12


Code: [Select]
Type - STARLOGIC DVD-ROM
Model - DVD-16X6S
Accurate Stream - YES
Disable Cache - NO
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread I/O - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +12


cd drive offsets can also be found at accuraterip. 

http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm (http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm)
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-07 20:31:18
Heh, not so long time ago AgentMil started the same topic and you (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=30336&view=findpost&p=262595) were the first person who suggested that it doesn't make much sense 
Well, IMO it still doesn't make sense as there already are at least 3 web-sites with all these data. Of course it won't hurt to have another one here on HA, but lets make it the way it should be then - first of all providing firmware version of the drive for which someone submits the data is a must. Secondly, "Disable Cache" is confusing, you should change it to "Drive caches audio". Also, in the table there always should be a "+" or "-" sign before Sample Offset value (which in fact is an Offset Correction value). And since the table is supposed to help people choose a good drive, other EAC-related data wouldn't hurt (like CD-TEXT/UPC/ISRC read/write capability, gap/index retrieval method and accuracy, read command, write offset if it's a burner, etc).
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-07 23:58:02
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but lets make it the way it should be then - first of all providing firmware version of the drive for which someone submits the data is a must.

OK

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Secondly, "Disable Cache" is confusing, you should change it to "Drive caches audio".

OK

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Also, in the table there always should be a "+" or "-" sign before Sample Offset value (which in fact is an Offset Correction value).

Negative values will have a "-" minus sign.


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And since the table is supposed to help people choose a good drive, other EAC-related data wouldn't hurt (like CD-TEXT/UPC/ISRC read/write capability, gap/index retrieval method and accuracy, read command, write offset if it's a burner, etc).

I think I have the most improtant DAE related drive data.

I will also release a .xls file  if/when the database starts to really populate, that file can then be used to import the data I have gathered into the Offset Base, Accuraterip, SatCP, & any other web site or program that wants to have a drive feature database.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Eli on 2005-03-08 01:11:35
can you get a log output from Nero CD Speed?

If so you should ask for log submissions from neros Advanced DAE, this would be more reliable then peoples reporting. Better yet, quite a few people here work at nero, maybe they could suggest nero add a drive feature set upload to a database for others to access.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-08 01:42:27
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Negative values will have a "-" minus sign.

For sake of readibility positive values should have a "+" plus sign too. Red background for drives which overread capabilities don't match their offset (for example overread into lead-in and positive offset), and yellow (or green?) background for the ones which do match (for example overread into lead-in and negative offset) would be nice too.

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can you get a log output from Nero CD Speed?

If so you should ask for log submissions from neros Advanced DAE, this would be more reliable then peoples reporting.
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Nero CD Speed reports combined read/write offset which alone is rather useless, not to mention that Advenced DAE Quality Test is a drive-killer (harmonica test  ).
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-08 20:27:00
Type: SONY DVD-ROM
Model: DDU1621
Firmware: S2.9
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Lead-In
Offset: +12

Type: HL-DT-STDVDRAM (it's LG)
Model: GSA-4120B
Firmware: A111
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Lead-In
Offset: +667
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2005-03-08 22:35:36
Code: [Select]
Type: JLMS (Liteon) DVD-ROM
Model: XJ-HD166S
Firmware: DS1E
Caching: YES
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Lead-In
Offset: +12

Type: PIONEER  DVD-RW
Model: DVR-106D
Firmware: 1.08
Caching: YES
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: NO
Overread: Lead-Out
Offset: +48

Type: RICOH CD-RW
Model: MP7520A
Firmware: 1.25
Caching: NO
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Lead-Out
Offset: +97


Could you change the format that the results list is in, it looks like it's a jpg (blurry) i think a png would be easier to read.

I also think putting + or - infront of the offset value is a good idea
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Eli on 2005-03-09 02:22:38
Hmm, the SAMSUNG - SH-152A looks pretty good. $15 shipped and +offset correction with lead out over reading. Can anyone confirm these features? This would result  in perfect rips correct?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: unfortunateson on 2005-03-09 02:24:26
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Code: [Select]
Type - MICRO ADVANTAGE DVD-RW
Model - IDE1008
Accurate Stream - YES
Disable Cache - YES
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread I/O - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +12


Code: [Select]
Type - STARLOGIC DVD-ROM
Model - DVD-16X6S
Accurate Stream - YES
Disable Cache - NO
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread I/O - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +12


cd drive offsets can also be found at accuraterip.  

http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm (http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm)
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IDE1008 Firmware:  0059
DVD-16X6S Firmware: DSG2

Its also interesting if I use EAC to configure my offsets instead of Accuraterip, it gives me +2009 on both drives with no Overread on either. 
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2005-03-09 07:02:04
I wonder if this thread could be stickied by a mod.

@westgroveg
Is there any chance of getting a key which tells us what the colors mean ?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: evereux on 2005-03-09 08:52:11
Would it be possible to split the manufacturer name from the type field?

At some point I can make a MySQL database from your database file and it would be nice to design a simple web interface so we can filter out particular manufacturers. It would be much easier to do if the manufacturer had it's own field.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Martin H on 2005-03-10 04:55:19
Unfortunateson - It is because you are using a different pressing and therefore you should only rely on results you get more than once. -If EAC reports that you cant overread why have you posted otherwise ? -Martin.

Edit: When you do the EAC offset test with a different pressing disc or even a disc thats not in the database then you can still trust the overreading capability part of the test.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-12 22:29:35
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Unfortunateson - It is because you are using a different pressing and therefore you should only rely on results you get more than once. -If EAC reports that you cant overread why have you posted otherwise ? -Martin.

Edit: When you do the EAC offset test with a different pressing disc or even a disc thats not in the database then you can still trust the overreading capability part of the test.
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Yes Unfortunateson, could you clear up whether EAC reports the drives can overread lead out or not overread at all?

What I may do eventually is host a lossless copy of my EAC Test CD. People can download it, burn it to CD with their burner, then extract & compare with the original wav which will give you your drives write sample offset, then you take away that value from the read offset EAC reports with the CD you created, thus giving you an exact read sample offset.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: unfortunateson on 2005-03-13 04:39:32
sorry about the confusion... EAC reports neither the IDE1008 or DVD-16X6S overread, but it only finds one of my CDs in its database, where accuraterip finds many of them, and gives both drives an offset of +12.  And the caching of the drives are reversed in your graph.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Martin H on 2005-03-13 05:54:03
Unfortunateson - AccurateRip dosent check for overreading capability. And even if you have overreading enabled in EAC and dosent get a sync error on the end of the last track then you cannot be certain that your drive can overread. Some drives report a sync error but others dosent, and just insert null samples instead. When you do the EAC offset test, then make sure to use an original cd. It dosent matter if its in the database or not because you only check for overreading capability of your drive. -Martin.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: unfortunateson on 2005-03-13 06:08:24
ive checked, no overreading on neither
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: AndyMutz on 2005-03-13 06:44:25
Type: BenQ DVD-RW
Model: DW1620 Pro
Firmware: B7U9
Caching: NO
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: NO
Overread I/O: Only Lead In
Sample Offset: +618

Type: AOpen DVD-ROM
Model: 1648 AAP Pro
Firmware: 1.02
Caching: YES
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread I/O: Only Lead In
Sample Offset: +738

Type: LiteOn DVD-ROM
Model: XJ-HD 165H
Firmware: CH12
Caching: YES
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread I/O: None
Sample Offset: +12

Type: ASUS CD-RW
Model: CRW-5232AS
Firmware: 1.03
Caching: YES
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread I/O: Only Lead In
Sample Offset: +6

Type: TEAC CD-RW
Model: CD-W524E
Firmware: 1.0E
Caching: NO
Accurate Stream: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread I/O: Only Lead In
Sample Offset: +686

-andy-
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-13 06:47:41
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sorry about the confusion... EAC reports neither the IDE1008 or DVD-16X6S overread

OK, fixed.

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And the caching of the drives are reversed in your graph.
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Just in case anyone is wondering this confusion is due to the fact that the original required fields names where slightly confusing.

Should be correct now unfortunateson?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: unfortunateson on 2005-03-13 07:09:40
looks good.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: esa372 on 2005-03-15 15:30:13
Manufacturer - Samsung
Type - CD-RW/DVD
Model - SM-316B
Accurate Stream - Yes
Caching - No
C2 Error Info - Yes
Overread - None
Sample Offset - +120 (read); +6 (write)
Firmware - T302-COM

Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: evereux on 2005-03-17 12:14:39
Just to keep people updated:

I've now created the MySQL database with some php pages that display these drive features in a table, along with a basic search tool (not really required until the database gets alot bigger). There is also a registration and submission form so people can register and submit their own drive details. So ultimately, do please continue to submit your drives features here. But, you can wait and directly use the form at a later date.

I hope to bring the site online within the next week after some more testing has been done.

Cheers.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Deep_Elem on 2005-03-17 18:15:50
Manufacturer: Samsung
Type: CD-R/RW
Model: SW-252B
Accurate Stream: Yes
Caching: No
C2 Error Info: Yes
Overread: No
Sample Offset: +97
Firmware: R700
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-18 04:09:51
I would remove the Matching column along with blue colour (OK), and mark two columns (Overread & Sample Offset) with a good colour if overread & offset match, or with a bad colour if overread & offset don't match. Good colour should be green, and the bad/red one a bit brighter (black text isn't too readable on current one). It's also time to switch to PNG!
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: evereux on 2005-03-18 08:30:29
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I would remove the Matching column along with blue colour (OK), and mark two columns (Overread & Sample Offset) with a good colour if overread & offset match, or with a bad colour if overread & offset don't match. Good colour should be green, and the bad/red one a bit brighter (black text isn't too readable on current one).
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I'd be interested to hear what others think about this. My html table also has the Matching column, like the .xls file above. But I'm considering whether to implement your suggestion. I think it's a good idea since it removes a column. Below the table I'd need to add some text to explain what the colours mean but that need only be a sentance or two.

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It's also time to switch to PNG!
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Yup.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-20 06:54:47
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I would remove the Matching column along with blue colour (OK), and mark two columns (Overread & Sample Offset) with a good colour if overread & offset match, or with a bad colour if overread & offset don't match.
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A drive with a 10 sample offset isn’t the same as a drive with 1000 sample offset.

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It's also time to switch to PNG!

I tried but I get something like "dynamic links not allowed"
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-20 07:47:31
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I would remove the Matching column along with blue colour (OK), and mark two columns (Overread & Sample Offset) with a good colour if overread & offset match, or with a bad colour if overread & offset don't match.
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A drive with a 10 sample offset isn’t the same as a drive with 1000 sample offset.

I'm not sure what you mean here. If overread & offset match then it doesn't matter how big the offset is. And you don't seem to colour the Sample Offset column anyway.
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It's also time to switch to PNG!

I tried but I get something like "dynamic links not allowed"
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Strange, for me it works. Can you email me the XLS? I'll PM you my address.

Thanks, here's a quick view of how it would look like if my suggestions were applied:
I removed the picture
PNG works here, maybe try to upload to HA's Upload forum and link from there?
I'll remove this picture soon...
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-20 11:59:10
What I mean is that if we have a drive with an offset of say 10 samples that can't overread it's not the same as a drive with an offset of 1000 samples that can't overread yet both drives would have the Sample Offset field marked red.

We would need to agree upon a color rating based upon how long the offset is & if the drive can overread.

Also can overreading into a non matching value be useful at all? if not then I agree a drive that can't overread into the corresponding value should be marked red

How did you get the positive symbols to appear in Excel?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-20 13:23:43
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What I mean is that if we have a drive with an offset of say 10 samples that can't overread it's not the same as a drive with an offset of 1000 samples that can't overread yet both drives would have the Sample Offset field marked red.

We would need to agree upon a color rating based upon how long the offset is & if the drive can overread.

Also can overreading into a non matching value be useful at all? if not then I agree a drive that can't overread into the corresponding value should be marked red

In DAE, overreading into a non matching value is completly useless I think. Anyway, I have an idea of giving scores, so colour marking could stay simple as I suggest, and there wouldn't be a subjective limit where the non-matching offset becomes too bad.
The scoring could be like that:
1. If Accurate Stream is available then score = 1000, otherwise score = 0
2. If drive doesn't cache then score = score + 1000, otherwise score = score + 0
3. If C2 is available then score = score + 1000, otherwise score = score + 0
4. If overread & offset match then score = score + 1000, if they don't match then score = score - |offset|
So, score of Pioneer DVD-ROM DVD-106 would be 1000 + 0 + 0 - 102 = 898 rutra80 marks 
And score of Plextor CD-ROM PX-40TS would be 1000 + 1000 + 1000 + 1000 = 4000 (full scale)
That way even the website that evereux prepares could have a "Sort by score" option to view the best drive for DAE.
Of course weight of Accurate Stream, Caching, C2, or overreading & offset can be higher or lower than 1000.
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How did you get the positive symbols to appear in Excel?
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You must format the cells as text and add a space before the positive symbol.

I noticed that you removed the Firmware column, why?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Richard_Hsi on 2005-03-20 16:54:00
Code: [Select]
Type - SONY DVD-ROM
Model - DDU1621( FIRMWARE: s4.2 )
Accurate Stream - YES
Disable Cache - NO
C2 Error Info - YES ( But I suggest to set it No in EAC )
Overread I/O - NO
Sample Offset - +12


Code: [Select]
Type - SONY CD-RW
Model - CRX220E1 ( FIRMWARE: 6YS1 )
Accurate Stream - YES
Disable Cache - YES
C2 Error Info - YES( But I suggest to set it No in EAC )
Overread I/O - Only Lead IN
Sample Offset - +6
Writing Function Supported by EAC: NO



Besides, who can tell me whether  the writing function of Pioneer DVD+/-RW Type 109 could be supported by EAC? and what is its read offset and writing offset? Thanks.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: AndyMutz on 2005-03-20 18:45:20
rutra80, there is a slight misstake in your table: the TEAC CD-W524E (result submitted by me) had firmware 1.0E, not 1.03E.

-andy-
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: A_Man_Eating_Duck on 2005-03-20 22:04:55
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Code: [Select]
SNIP


Besides, who can tell me whether  the writing function of Pioneer DVD+/-RW Type 109 could be supported by EAC? and what is its read offset and writing offset? Thanks.
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EAC doesn't support my Pioneer 106 DVD-RW for writing either.

make a EAC offset cd on a drive that has it correct write offset set and use that CD and EAC will find the offset for you.

Another way is

*Note - Gap detection|detection accuracy needs to be set to Secure on both drives first

Put a audio CD in to a drive that has the correct read offset set, press F4 to detect any gaps, then select a track and copy it to WAV format, it is also a good idea to rename the resulting WAV file to the name of the drive that you copied it off.

Put the same cd into the drive you want to find the read offset, press F4 to detect any gaps again, copy the same track that you copied orginally to WAV format and rename the WAV file to the name of the drive it was copied from.

Compare the two files and there is your read offset value (repeated samples will put a + in front of the value, missing samples will put a - in front of the value)
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-20 22:25:17
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The scoring could be like that:
1. If Accurate Stream is available then score = 1000, otherwise score = 0
2. If drive doesn't cache then score = score + 1000, otherwise score = score + 0
3. If C2 is available then score = score + 1000, otherwise score = score + 0
4. If overread & offset match then score = score + 1000, if they don't match then score = score - |offset|
So, score of Pioneer DVD-ROM DVD-106 would be 1000 + 0 + 0 - 102 = 898 rutra80 marks

Sounds OK to me, anyone have any suggestions?

The color rating for the Sample Offset could be:

If drive can Overread I/O = Yellow
If Offset & Overread match = Yellow
If Sample Offset is <1000 = Blue
If Sample Offset is >1000 samples = Red

Suggestions welcome too

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I noticed that you removed the Firmware column, why?

I didn't think it was necessary until we encountered a drive with non-matching features for different firmwares revisions.

PS: evereux's site is going to be pretty amazing, after it's finished I don't think we will need another DAE drive features DB. All drive features submitted to me will be imported into his DB & it might also contain The Coaster Factory entries too.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Eli on 2005-03-20 23:46:09
I think it would be better is there was an app to detect and submitt these features. Maybe spoon would be willing to write one to go with AccurateRip?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: evereux on 2005-03-21 09:47:40
Why is the sample offset boundary of 1000 used to determine the difference between blue and red, red I assume would mean bad? What is it about 1000 that suddenly makes the drive bad? How about we don't make that assumption at all in the table?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: spoon on 2005-03-21 11:17:53
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I think it would be better is there was an app to detect and submitt these features. Maybe spoon would be willing to write one to go with AccurateRip?
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Many of the items would be difficult to automatically detect:

Manufacturer: No problem
Type: No problem
Model: No problem
Accurate Stream: No problem
Caching: This one is hit and miss to detect,
C2 Error Info: The firmware could lie about it's implementation / implementation could be poor you would need a cd with intentional errors
Overread: You would need a specific audio cd with sound data (values not 0) right upto the lead in / out, some drives when trying to overread just return 0's, you wouldn't spot this unless you had a cd as mentioned.
Sample Offset: No problem
Firmware: Is this drive specific?

AccurateRip contained pretty much all the items that could be autodetected with any audio cd, it has the Sample Offset and Accurate Stream.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-21 12:27:26
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rutra80, there is a slight misstake in your table: the TEAC CD-W524E (result submitted by me) had firmware 1.0E, not 1.03E.
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It's not my mistake, it's westgroveg's mistake 
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The color rating for the Sample Offset could be:

If drive can Overread I/O = Yellow
If Offset & Overread match = Yellow
If Sample Offset is <1000 = Blue
If Sample Offset is >1000 samples = Red

Suggestions welcome too
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Why is the sample offset boundary of 1000 used to determine the difference between blue and red, red I assume would mean bad? What is it about 1000 that suddenly makes the drive bad? How about we don't make that assumption at all in the table?
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Yeah, that's what I'm talking all the time - if there will be scores there's no need for subjective limit where offset becomes too bad. For readibility & simplicity sake there also should be only 2 colours: green = good, red = bad, and both overread & offset columns should always have the same colour (green if they match and red if they don't match, so the Matching column can be removed). We can give more colours to scores but IMO it doesn't make sense either.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: tas on 2005-03-21 13:20:06
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This thread will be used to gather an accurate list of DAE drive features. Just post your drive(s) features in this thread & I will add them to my database.
E-mail me for the database file.
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Just have a look over there:
(update also your posts at Digital-Inn and CD-Freaks!)

[a href="http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm]http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm[/url]
http://www.forum.eac-audio.de/index.php?sh...22offset-en.php (http://www.forum.eac-audio.de/index.php?showforum=22offset-en.php)
http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eacoffsets01.htm (http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eacoffsets01.htm)
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac7.html (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac7.html)

Perhaps you can combine those or work together with "accuraterip".As they collect drives features automatically some manual verification would be excellent.

cheers.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-25 10:59:56
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This thread will be used to gather an accurate list of DAE drive features. Just post your drive(s) features in this thread & I will add them to my database.
E-mail me for the database file.
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=279964")


Just have a look over there:
(update also your posts at Digital-Inn and CD-Freaks!)

[a href="http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm]http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm[/url]
http://www.forum.eac-audio.de/index.php?sh...22offset-en.php (http://www.forum.eac-audio.de/index.php?showforum=22offset-en.php)
http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eacoffsets01.htm (http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eacoffsets01.htm)
http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac7.html (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/eac7.html)

Perhaps you can combine those or work together with "accuraterip".As they collect drives features automatically some manual verification would be excellent.

cheers.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=284160"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

All complete records from The Coaster Factory will be included in the DAE Drive Features Database evereux & I have been working on. I don't think there would be any easy way of importing the records from EAC-Audio.de & the other sources you have listed do not provide all the required fields.

First we want to get an initial version of the database up & running. After that we may explore better methods of detection & submission of DAE drive features to the database.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2005-03-26 23:15:20
Manufacturer: Philips
Type: 36x (it's a CD-ROM)
Model: PCA362CD
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: NO
Overread: NONE
Sample Offset: +686
Firmware: T6PP

Manufacturer: _NEC
Type: (it's a CD-RW)
Model: NR-7900A
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: LeadIn
Sample Offset: +685
Firmware: 1.23
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: DreamweaverN on 2005-03-28 05:01:05
Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD-ROM
Model - DVD-120
Accurate Stream - YES

Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +691
Firmware - 1.23

Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - ASUS
Type - CD-RW
Model - CRW-5224A
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +6
Firmware - 1.20


That is the info for both my drives . The offsets were found using AccurateRip and is the value that is displayed in the offset field in EAC. I hope this information helps .
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: R.A.F. on 2005-03-28 05:23:16
Code: [Select]
Manufacturer: BTC
Type: DVD+-R/RW DL Recorder
Model: DVDRW IDE 16X
Accurate Stream: Yes
Caching: No
C2 Error Info: Yes
Overread: ? (how can I detect this?)
Sample Offset: +12
Firmware: A07M

Code: [Select]
Manufacturer: AOpen
Type: DVD-ROM Drive
Model: DVD1648/AAP  (Non-Pro Version!)
Accurate Stream: Yes
Caching: Yes
C2 Error Info: Yes
Overread: ?
Sample Offset: +738
Firmware: 1.07

This AOpen drive is following to the test in a famous german computer magazine (c't) one with the most reliable read-capabilities and also fastest! Often my BTC fails on scratched CD´s, while this AOpen still gets accurate results at the same CD (with C2-Error-Info switched off).
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-03-31 04:03:50
Updates:
-Switched to Interlaced GIF
-Added positive signs for lead out offsets (hacky)
-Now showing firmware revision field


@ R.A.F.

Read the first post.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Duble0Syx on 2005-03-31 05:58:55
Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - PLEXTOR
Type - CD-RW
Model - PX-W4012A
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - BOTH
Sample Offset - +98
Firmware - 1.06


Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - HP
Type - DVD-RW
Model - DVD Writer 200j
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - LEAD IN
Sample Offset - +120
Firmware - 1.72


Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - LITE-ON
Type - CD-RW
Model - SOHR-5238S
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - LEAD IN
Sample Offset - +6
Firmware - 4S07
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Duble0Syx on 2005-03-31 06:09:52
Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - ASUS
Type - CD-RW
Model - CRW-4816A
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - LEAD IN
Sample Offset - +12
Firmware - 1.13
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: VCSkier on 2005-04-04 06:24:39
what happened to the chart?  i could see it last time i checked (a couple days ago i think).  now i just see "user posted image."  im using winxp w/ firefox.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-04-04 13:35:16
Quote
what happened to the chart?  i could see it last time i checked (a couple days ago i think).  now i just see "user posted image."  im using winxp w/ firefox.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=288165"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Yeah accidentally deleted it from the server. Fixed now & I also added the xls file for download (as I originally said I would) , if ever necessary the moderators can update the list & file too.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: VCSkier on 2005-04-05 03:23:43
yeah, its working fine now.  thanks
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: JuanK on 2005-04-29 16:50:49
Some days ago, I submitted a new entry but i made a mistake. I tried to email to you twice, but I got no reply. Please fix the table with these settings:
Code: [Select]
    Manufacturer: JLMS
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: XJ-HD163D
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: Yes
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +594
       Firmware: GHR8
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: westgroveg on 2005-04-30 08:42:51
Quote
Some days ago, I submitted a new entry but i made a mistake. I tried to email to you twice, but I got no reply. Please fix the table with these settings:
Code: [Select]
    Manufacturer: JLMS
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: XJ-HD163D
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: Yes
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +594
       Firmware: GHR8

[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=294121"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Will be fixed ASAP we have just been busy lately.

For corrections it will be best to contact Paul at paul@daefeatures.co.uk for now.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: evereux on 2005-04-30 12:42:28
Quote
Some days ago, I submitted a new entry but i made a mistake. I tried to email to you twice, but I got no reply. Please fix the table with these settings:
Code: [Select]
    Manufacturer: JLMS
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: XJ-HD163D
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: Yes
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +594
       Firmware: GHR8

[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=294121"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

I see you added the drive features again? I've deleted the original entry.

If ever there's a problem with someone's submission contact myself direct. I'll correct the issue ASAP.

Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but my PCs power supply decided to throw out some nice sparks.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Synthetic Soul on 2005-04-30 14:56:15
Quote
Quote
How did you get the positive symbols to appear in Excel?

You must format the cells as text and add a space before the positive symbol.

Or use a custom format on the cell like "+0;-0;0" - or something fancy like "[blue]+0;[red]-0;[green]0"

(right-click > Format Cells... > Number Tab > Custom Category > enter format)

You can also use conditional formatting (Format > Conditional Formatting... > ... )

Edit: in fact adding a space to turn the cell into text is really bad practise.  By doing so you are poluting your data and relinquishing any possibility to use the figures in mathematical operations.  You shouldn't corrupt your data for the sake of aesthetics - especially as XL provides various ways to solve this minor problem.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: HbG on 2005-05-14 14:54:21
Here's my contribution:
Code: [Select]
    Manufacturer: TEAC
           Type: CD-ROM
          Model: CD-532S
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: No
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +258
       Firmware: 3.0A


Code: [Select]
    Manufacturer: TOSHIBA
           Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: SD-M1401
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +252
       Firmware: 1008


Code: [Select]
    Manufacturer: RICOH
           Type: MP6200S
          Model:
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: No
  C2 Error Info: Yes
       Overread: None
  Sample Offset: +253
       Firmware: 2.40


The Ricoh drive is a CD-RW, and has a long history of acting weird.
The read offsets seem remarkably similar, i used Tracy Chapman to detect them.
I've not thoroughly tested the C2 feature of the Ricoh drive, it works for the Toshiba though.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: baldrick on 2005-05-30 15:17:00
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD±R/RW Recorder
Model - DVR-107D
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - 1.20



These values are identical to Pioneer DVR-106D.
The Write Offset is the same : +18
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: evereux on 2005-06-12 08:57:12
http://www.daefeatures.co.uk (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk) has now been updated to include the following features:

If a user has some drive info's that they didn't input via the site (eg they came from another list) they won't be able to edit those info's. If those users would like to register and have those drive info's associated with their login so they can edit them, let me know.

Also, you can now link to the search form to show only one particular drive manufacturer:
http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/search.php?man=PLEXTOR (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/search.php?man=PLEXTOR)

The email address paul atnospam daefeatures.co.uk hasn't been working until very recently. My apologies to those that may have sent me an email and didn't get a reply.


Any problems, please let me know.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Pop on 2005-06-12 10:08:20
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD±R/RW Recorder
Model - DVR-108
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - Lead Out
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - 1.20
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: TCM on 2005-07-17 01:06:24
Quote
Accurate Stream: No problem
Caching: This one is hit and miss to detect,
C2 Error Info: The firmware could lie about it's implementation / implementation could be poor you would need a cd with intentional errors
i cannot comment on accurate stream, but "drive caches" can always be turned ON and "c2 error info" can always be turned OFF as a fail-safe fallback. all you get is a speed decrease with added safety.

especially c2 was unreliable with my liteon ltr-24103s. the drive reports c2 but repeatedly reripping a track would yield a different checksum each time. scary. so better be safe than sorry and keep those two options at their slow-but-reliable setting. my opinion.

edit: unless you mass-rip hundreds of cds where you need the speed. but i'd very carefully verify that the drive rips correctly. usually, the slightest sign of a checksum mismatch or similar makes me run screaming from ever using that option again. but that's just me :)
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: WaldoMonster on 2005-07-17 01:31:12
Here are my two drives:

Manufacturer: Asus
Type: CD-ROM
Model: CD-S500/A
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Only lead in
Sample Offset: +1858
Firmware: 1.3D

Manufacturer: Lite-on
Type: CD-RW
Model: LTR-48125W
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Only lead in
Sample Offset: +12
Firmware: VS0D

I use the Asus manly for audio ripping.
Some times I use the Lite-on for protected cd's.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: micmac on 2005-10-30 11:22:20
Hi all,

I bought a new drive 2 weeks ago and I'm really ok with it because it's better for DAE than the drives I had before. Here we go:

Code: [Select]
 Manufacturer - _NEC
Type - DVD_RW
Model - ND-4550A
Accurate Stream - yes
Caching - no
C2 Error Info - yes
Overread - no
Sample Offset - +48
Firmware - Version 1.6




Cheers


mic
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: landy on 2005-10-30 13:04:07
Type: HL-DT-STDVDRAM (it's LG)
Model: GSA-4120B
Firmware: A111
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: NO
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: Lead-In
Offset: +667
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=280441"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
[/quote]

currently use this drive and its quite good but every time i run eacs c2 check it says it probably cant do it (using a few cds) anyone know why two people submited it saying its c2 capable? also anyone know if the LG 4167B is a good buy?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: evereux on 2005-10-30 13:40:58
I don't think it's worth posting your results in this thread anymore. The list at the beginning of this thread is no longer kept up to date.

The results from the last spreadsheet have been imported into the database at http://daefeatures.co.uk (http://daefeatures.co.uk) and that essentially is the master now. It could be wiser to register there and add your drive features that way.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: landy on 2005-10-30 15:58:53
that was supposed to be a quote of the first person to list the 4120B i removed some other details not relating to my drive and it seems to have broken the formating slightly (although the find post thing works). i simply want to know why two people claimed that the GSA-4120B is C2 capable when all my test in eac result in "probably not capable" or something like that
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: jhartmann on 2005-12-22 10:55:12
The LG/HL-DT-ST GSA-4120B as well as its relatives (e.g. GSA-4163B) does indeed report C2 errors. (You will find that if you test a newer EAC with a scratched CD.) And it does not only report those errors, it's one of very few drive families that does so very correctly.

But the LG drives (GSA-4xxxB) do also cache audio data although EAC falsely claims they would not. (They actually cache 37KB audio*.)

And yes, they are able to read hidden tracks (track 1/index 0) although EAC has problems to show them correctly.

(*) The fact that this drive (or any like it) caches 37kB is a NON-ISSUE when it comes to ripping with EAC since the smallest amount of data requested by EAC is 64kB!!!
http://www.digital-inn.de/106824-post3.html (http://www.digital-inn.de/106824-post3.html)
http://www.digital-inn.de/113449-post2.html (http://www.digital-inn.de/113449-post2.html)
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: z7x8c9 on 2006-01-17 22:26:55
What about the GSA-4082N?

It's a slim drive (it's on a laptop) and EAC reports;

AccurateRip : Yes
Caches Audio: No
C2 Error Info: Yes

Does anyone know how can I, for sure, determine if the drive caches audio data and reports correct c2 error information?

Thanks
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2006-01-18 08:52:03
AFAIK Feurio! (http://feurio.com/) has some more advanced caching-detection features than EAC, and there's a nice C2 error test in Nero CD-DVD Speed (http://www.cdspeed2000.com/) (menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test).
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Mefodiy on 2006-02-19 02:59:52
Quote
AFAIK Feurio! (http://feurio.com/) has some more advanced caching-detection features than EAC, and there's a nice C2 error test in Nero CD-DVD Speed (http://www.cdspeed2000.com/) (menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test).
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=357991"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


1. The link in the first post of this thread gives a 404

2. Will the Nero test give an accurate report on the C2 capabilities of my drive?

3. I have just googled, and can't find any -- so, do any of you know where a good guide on how to use Nero CD-DVD Speed is?  -- like what does "simulate" and "RAW" mean?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Mefodiy on 2006-02-22 04:38:46
I'd still appreciate 1,2,&3 being addressed.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2006-02-22 21:31:03
Quote
1. The link in the first post of this thread gives a 404

PM westgroveg.
Quote
2. Will the Nero test give an accurate report on the C2 capabilities of my drive?

It will tell you how many C2 errors are missed, and will give you some accuracy & quality score.
Quote
3. I have just googled, and can't find any -- so, do any of you know where a good guide on how to use Nero CD-DVD Speed is?  -- like what does "simulate" and "RAW" mean?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=365456"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

There's an outdated help file, changelog can be helpful too.
Simulate means that when testing burning speed, nothing will be written onto a disc (it will just simulate writing, with laser turned off).
RAW is a low-level method of burning which allows copying of error correction codes & subchannel data, useful in case of copy-protected discs.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Mefodiy on 2006-03-03 03:54:55
Quote
...
There's an outdated help file, changelog can be helpful too.
Simulate means that when testing burning speed, nothing will be written onto a disc (it will just simulate writing, with laser turned off).
RAW is a low-level method of burning which allows copying of error correction codes & subchannel data, useful in case of copy-protected discs.
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=366411")

Where id the "oudated help file" located.

In Nero, when I go to Help>Manual, all I get is
Quote
Dear valued customer,
this version does not contain the helpfiles and manuals. You can download the helpfiles and manuals in your language from:

[a href="http://www.nero7.com/link.php?topic_id=7078]http://www.nero7.com/link.php?topic_id=7078[/url]
... and the link doesn't lead to a manual for CD-DVD Speed -- just for the other components.


Also, how would either of "Simulate" or "RAW" have anything to do with CD-DVD Speed?  Why are they options, and what would they accomplish in CD-DVD Speed?


If I can't find the manual, does anyone know how I can use CD-DVD Speed to test the reliability of the C2 capabilities of my drive?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: DreamweaverN on 2006-03-06 02:09:42
Quote
Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD-ROM
Model - DVD-120
Accurate Stream - YES

Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +691
Firmware - 1.23

Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - ASUS
Type - CD-RW
Model - CRW-5224A
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - YES
Overread - Lead In
Sample Offset - +6
Firmware - 1.20


That is the info for both my drives . The offsets were found using AccurateRip and is the value that is displayed in the offset field in EAC. I hope this information helps .
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=286210"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


I don't know how I did it but the ASUS CRW-5224A does cache audio. Sorry for the mix up.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: rutra80 on 2006-03-06 08:15:15
Quote
Where id the "oudated help file" located.

You can find it on its download page (http://www.cdspeed2000.com/go.php3?link=download.html).
Quote
Also, how would either of "Simulate" or "RAW" have anything to do with CD-DVD Speed?  Why are they options, and what would they accomplish in CD-DVD Speed?

Well, if you simulate then after the tests the disc is still blank, if you don't simulate then it will be full of test data (so if it's not rewritable it's kinda wasted).
As for RAW, I see it only in overburning test, so it probably helps to determine if your drive can overburn in RAW & non-RAW modes.
Quote
If I can't find the manual, does anyone know how I can use CD-DVD Speed to test the reliability of the C2 capabilities of my drive?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=368680"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Just insert some slightly damaged CDDA (so you get errors), and start the test from menu Extra/Advanced DAE Quality Test/Error Test.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: pike on 2006-06-24 05:33:23
download link is broken
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Be Positive on 2006-10-14 19:25:00
Manufacturer: Plextor
          Type: DVD-ROM
          Model: PX-130a
Accurate Stream: Yes
        Caching: Yes
  C2 Error Info: Yes
Gap Detection Mode: A, Secure
      Overread: don't know
  Sample Offset: +738
      Firmware: 103
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Joshatdot on 2007-12-11 05:42:16
Code: [Select]
Manufacturer - OPTORITE
Type - DVD-RW
Model - DD1203
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - NO
C2 Error Info - NO
Overread - NO
Sample Offset - +691
Firmware - 120E
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: JoeGons on 2008-01-23 18:15:03
Acer Laptop.2480-2943

TSST Corp. CDW/DVD TS-L462D
Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Korea Corporation
with NTI CD & DVD Maker 7 Gold.
NewTech Infosystems (NTI)
EAC
Burrrn


My Acer 2480-2943

TSSTcorp CDW/DVD TS-L462D AC00 Adapter:0 ID 1

READ OFFSET:  +6  *** Does not work
WRITE OFFSET: +30  *** Does not work

Manufacturer: TSSTcorp
Type: CDW/DVD
Model:  TS-L462D
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: YES
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: ?
Sample Offset: READ +6, WRITE +30
Firmware ?

This does not work.

What works is: Read=0, Write=0.
With Test CD made on Gateway Desktop, Combined value is +36.
With Test CD made on Acer, Combined value is 0.
By compare, offset 0 works.

-----------------------------------------------

Desktop: Gateway Profile 5


The Desktop has a Hitachi-LG GCC-4241N ???
Nero 6
EAC
Burrrn

My Gateway Profile 5

HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4241N  OP34

Manufacturer: HL-DT-ST (Hitachi-LG??)
Type: RW/DVD
Model: GCC-4241N
Accurate Stream: YES
Caching: No
C2 Error Info: YES
Overread: ?
Sample Offset: READ +102, WRITE +30, Combined: +132
Firmware: ?

READ OFFSET:  +102
WRITE OFFSET:  +30

This works. (+102, +30) Compared.

Results also confirmed by Test CD made on Gateway.
However, Test CD made on Acer gives +96 combined. 


Very odd.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: RamonSalazar on 2008-05-01 20:23:47
Manufacturer - PIONEER
Type - DVD-RW
Model - DVR-212D
Accurate Stream - YES
Caching - YES
C2 Error Info - NO
Read Command - MMC 1
Gap Detection Mode: A, Secure
Read Offset Correction - +48
Overread - NO
HTOA - YES
Write Offset - +18
Write UPC/ISRC - YES
Write CD-Text - NO
Firmware - 1.24
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Moitah on 2008-10-10 05:01:02
Samsung SH-S223Q
Firmware: SB01
Caching: No
Accurate Stream: Yes
C2 Error Info: Yes
Read Offset Correction: +6
Gap Detection Mode: A
Overread: Don't think so, only checked for the lead-out
HTOA: Yes -- HOWEVER, EAC reports a timing problem a few seconds before track 1 index 1, and when I compared the rip to the same one I'd done with my Pioneer DVR-111D (which unfortunately doesn't want to read CDs anymore ), there were 25 frames of digital silence at that area.
Other observations:  Seems to read catalog numbers okay.  ISRCs, on the other hand, are a bit messed up.  For example, it reads "SC]QF0703807" when it should be "SEVGT0703807" -- the text part is wrong but the numbers are correct.

EDIT:  I figured out how to get a perfect copy of the HTOA with CDex, see 6 posts down.

Also, I discovered that the ISRCs can be read properly with CDRDAO (which you probably already have in your EAC folder).  Run "cdrdao scanbus" from the command prompt and copy your device number (e.g. "2,0,0").  Then run "cdrdao read-toc --device 2,0,0 mytoc.txt" (replace "2,0,0" with your device number) and it will scan the disc and write all TOC information including ISRCs to a text file.  This also works on my Lite-On SHM-165P6S which doesn't normally read ISRC's properly either.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: greynol on 2008-10-10 05:11:55
HTOA: Yes -- HOWEVER, EAC reports a timing problem a few seconds before track 1 index 1, and when I compared the rip to the same one I'd done with my Pioneer DVR-111D (which unfortunately doesn't want to read CDs anymore ), there were 25 frames of digital silence at that area.

Sounds like a "no" to me. 
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Moitah on 2008-10-10 05:17:52
Sounds like a "no" to me. 

Well, it's better than nothing.  It did manage to get the other 2 minutes bit-for-bit correct, and the only 2 CDs I have with music in the HTOA go to analog silence by 2 seconds before track 1 index 1.  But that's not good enough for perfectionists like me .
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: greynol on 2008-10-10 05:23:46
Well maybe it is a yes.  What happens when you try in Secure mode?

Also, when you mention the ability to overread, you said you only checked for the lead out.  Did you try EAC's built-in test?  It is included with the test to detect the read sample offset correction.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Moitah on 2008-10-10 05:38:03
I still get that bit of silence in secure mode, EAC shows a sync error and tries to reread.

I couldn't find a CD for EAC's offset test.  I used to have one but I'm not sure where it went, I'll look tomorrow.  I tested by using CD where I know the last track has non-zero samples up to (and past) the end, but I end up with 6 samples of silence at the end even with the overread option checked.
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: greynol on 2008-10-10 05:41:04
Any old disc should do for that test. EDIT: or new disc, pardon my figure of speech.

What happens when you try to rip the HTOA disc as an image or as a range that also includes the rest of the first track?

EDIT2: This makes me wonder your sync error is a bug with EAC.  Have you tried dBpoweramp?
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: Moitah on 2008-10-11 02:32:32
EAC's offset test says "None" for overread.

dBpoweramp reports a read error also and aborts ripping the rest of the track.

Back to EAC, I tried extracting a range that included index 1 of track 1 also, which didn't help.  I noticed that the location of the silence was slightly different (by ~10 frames) as well as the duration (25 vs 21 frames) depending on whether burst mode or secure mode was used.  It was consistent, such that any 2 burst rips would always turn out the same, for example.  Then I tried unchecking the "Drive is capable of retrieving C2 error information" box, and for the first disc this still resulted in 21 frames of silence (although again in a slightly different but consistent location).  When I tried the second disc the whole thing came out bit-identical to the rip I'd done on my Pioneer drive !

So I kind of figured that the drive was behaving differently around this area depending on which sector reading started at.  Then I thought to try CDex, which with default settings had some silence also.  I looked through the options, where I noticed that the number of sectors per read was configurable.  I changed it to 1, and sure enough it was able to read the HTOA on both discs identical to my Pioneer rips .

I'll describe what has to be done in CDex for any others with this drive since it's not quite straightforward.  First, in the drive settings, uncheck "Enable Jitter Correction" and set "Read Sectors" to 1.  Then select "Extract a section of the CD" from the Convert menu.  Make sure the Start Position and Stop Position are set to the first track.  Now, for the Start Position, it has to be set to a negative value, but CDex won't allow you to type this in normally.  However, if you type a negative number in Notepad or something, you can paste it into CDex.  Just come up with a negative number longer than the length of the HTOA, e.g. one of mine was a bit over 2 minutes, so I typed -3 in Notepad, then copy and paste that into the minutes area of the Start Position.  You can leave seconds/frames at 0.  For the Stop Position which is inclusive like EAC, you'd want it to be 0 min 0 sec -1 frames normally for the rip's length to be correct.  However, since CDex doesn't support sample granularity for offset correction, you can set the Stop Position to 0 min 0 sec 0 frames to get some extra samples.  Click OK and it should rip fine.  Then you can correct the offset by trimming 6 samples from the beginning and 582 samples from the end in an audio editor.

I wonder if Andre or spoon would be willing to add an option for the number of sectors per read...
Title: List of DAE Drive Features
Post by: ssjkakaroto on 2008-10-23 12:04:14
Hi guys, do you know if any new drive can overread into the lead out? My only drive that could do it is dead so now I'm trying to buy a new one.

Thanks in advance
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