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Question: Where do you get your music from (primary)?
Option 1: CD - new, bought online or in local stores votes: 118
Option 2: CD - used, bought online or in local stores votes: 80
Option 3: CD - used, borrowed or rented votes: 35
Option 4: DVD or SACD - new, bought online or in local stores votes: 11
Option 5: DVD or SACD - used, bought online or in local stores votes: 9
Option 6: DVD or SACD - used, borrowed or rented votes: 4
Option 7: iTunes votes: 25
Option 8: Other online store (e.g. Google Play, Amazon, etc.) votes: 74
Option 9: I use Spotify, Deezer or other streaming services votes: 44
Option 10: Other (e.g. Vinyl) votes: 56
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Sebastian Mares on 2015-01-19 00:08:17
Just wondering where people get their music from.

Until last year, I purchased all my music from iTunes or in case of albums, I bought the CDs online on Amazon. In the meanwhile, no longer being an Apple product owner, I download MP3s from Amazon or Google Play.

Edit: To clear up things, I am referring to your "primary" source, so if you randomly get your hands on a friends's CD once per year, but your other 100 albums per year are bought on iTunes, I wouldn't count "CD - used, borrowed or rented" here.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: 2tec on 2015-01-19 00:18:40
I try to buy local whenever possible as I try support small merchants and new bands. I avoid buying mass market stuff new since I don't like supporting the unethical corporate music industry. I often borrow CDs from the library. I also buy used stuff from sellers on Discogs since I find I can trust the grading.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: ExUser on 2015-01-19 00:19:11
Most of my music purchases are through Bandcamp these days. My tastes run independent, and Bandcamp is a huge hub.

Bandcamp provides many formats. I choose FLAC.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: JabbaThePrawn on 2015-01-19 00:33:27
I get CDs and the occasional MP3 via Amazon, but often from marketplace sellers instead of Amazon themselves.

For second-hand, I make irregular pilgrimages to Alan's Records: http://www.alansrecords.com/ (http://www.alansrecords.com/)
Good bloke, Alan. Decent shop, too.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: andrew_berge on 2015-01-19 01:50:47
I get used CDs from amazon mostly, but also occasionally from discogs or ebay. Bandcamp is my primary digital store.
Oh, and i have quite a collection from ocremix.org as well.

In all cases i get lossless.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: lothario15 on 2015-01-19 10:28:30
Although streaming appears to be the future, I try to support an artist by buying FLAC downloads at Bandcamp.  The artist receives the lion's share of your money, just as it should be.

I do my best to avoid giving any money to the record industry however if an artist produces quality work that I enjoy, and they have no presence on Bandcamp, I will begrudgingly buy a CD on Amazon.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: ktf on 2015-01-19 12:07:26
I buy about 30% of my CDs new via Amazon, 50% used via Amazon and 20% in local stores.

The artist receives the lion's share of your money, just as it should be. [...] I do my best to avoid giving any money to the record industry

Yeah, because obviously it is cheap and risk-free to invest in an artist, like providing a studio, pressing CDs, financing a music video and promoting them.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: 2tec on 2015-01-19 14:09:45
Yeah, because obviously it is cheap and risk-free to invest in an artist, like providing a studio, pressing CDs, financing a music video and promoting them.

From what I've seen, and despite the costs and the risks, major media concerns like the big stars, big bands and the suits at the top do way too well and get all the revenue and attention. Most artists don't receive any support until after they've demonstrated sales potential. Furthermore, I tire of seeing a few people live like gazillionaires off the backs of the rest of us. Most retail music and concerts are way over-priced. Artists rarely receive a fair share, mainstream music distribution is monopolistic and exploitative. Really, do musicians, or anyone else, deserve more than their fair share? The whole music industry seems to be about greed not music. Just saying.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Hotsoup on 2015-01-19 14:16:39
I buy CDs and most other flavors of optical discs new and used from Amazon, eBay, Discogs and Steve Hoffman's Classifieds. Every weekend I browse the new (used) arrivals at my local record store. Beyond that, I use streaming services to sample new music (Spotify, Amazon Prime Music, Youtube) and Pandora for background music at times.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2015-01-19 14:23:53
The artist receives the lion's share of your money, just as it should be. [...] I do my best to avoid giving any money to the record industry


If an act I have interest in will do a tour, I hope they sell the CD at the gig. Putting the money in the hands of the artist. (And in those cases where they have to buy their own CDs, then they do in the very least make the record store's profit.)

I am frankly surprised at how little I leave at Bandcamp though. The thing is, out of several thousand CD rips there are a lot I have not even heard. I don't need Bandcamp to check out "new" stuff ...



Yeah, because obviously it is cheap and risk-free to invest in an artist, like providing a studio, pressing CDs, financing a music video and promoting them.


... and engaging in the worst-ever case of illicit filesharing for resale (http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2009/12/pending-case-lawsuit/).

The record industry had already lost me then. First intentionally destroying the products I would otherwise have bought (I thoughtlessly picked up a Kraftwerk off EMI though, and an Iron Maiden promo), and not to mention when they tried to infect their paying customers with malware (... which they piratedistributed ...) Well before DBD it was the work-for-hire scandal when they bribed a congress proofreader to snatch the artists' rights, but I didn't know about the case.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: JabbaThePrawn on 2015-01-19 14:36:46
I buy about 30% of my CDs new via Amazon, 50% used via Amazon and 20% in local stores.

The artist receives the lion's share of your money, just as it should be. [...] I do my best to avoid giving any money to the record industry

Yeah, because obviously it is cheap and risk-free to invest in an artist, like providing a studio, pressing CDs, financing a music video and promoting them.

In most cases, the artist ends up paying for all that (as well as any rock star extravagance) later on, when the record label starts recouping costs from them. Many don't realise 'til it is too late and the Ferrari is being repossessed.

The artists who understand this can, however, reap the major and very real benefits of a big company financing their videos, tours and promotion, but keep a close eye on the money going out elsewhere 'til they are established and genuinely wealthy. Even better, if they can get it on the contract that the rights/master tapes eventually revert to them, they can monetise their legacy in later years. Suede, apparently, have everything - not just their albums' master tapes but all the recorded material and the rights to do what they want with it.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: kornchild2002 on 2015-01-19 14:51:09
My iPhone 5 was due for an upgrade earlier last year (June) and I switched to a Galaxy S5.  Google gave me a 30-day trial to their Music All Access service along with a price of $7.99 a month thereafter (it has since gone up to $9.99).  My music library used to consist of a lossless archive (made from buying CDs usually on Amazon and used from local stores) and lossy versions.  Now I stream all of my music using my PC and it's downloaded to my phone for offline listening both through Google Music All Access.  Quality is "limited" to 320kbps mp3 files (I think they use Lame 3.98) but I could never properly distinguish that from the source lossless version in a blind ABX test so I'm definitely good with it.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: yourlord on 2015-01-19 18:11:48
New and used CD's bought locally or through online stores. I also buy FLAC files directly online from any vendor or artist who provides them. To date this has mostly been via bandcamp.

Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2015-01-19 18:49:28
The artists who understand this can, however, reap the major and very real benefits [...] Suede, apparently, have everything - not just their albums' master tapes but all the recorded material and the rights to do what they want with it.


I guess there are some geographical variations - in particular, the RIAA has never recognized the artists' rights to their songs (bar they halfway had to after the Mitch Glazier scandal).  If OTOH you are Rolling Stones or Pink Floyd, everything is negotiable I guess - up to which car Volkswagen shall put your band name on.

This nearly twenty year old FAQ for record collectors (http://vinylville.tripod.com/faq-3.html) refers to a Washington Post article on where the street-price of $11.99 would take its way. Record labels and executives would reap a profit rate of 20 percent of their turnover - this not counting the profits from their ownership in other parties of the value chain, namely manufactoring and distribution and not counting the "other" expenses (fondly referred to as hookers and cocaine, in which case I would assume that the "label VPs" should include certain artists).

Artists? A dollar and a half. It has long been a "truism" - whether correct or not - that successful rock bands would get their profits primarily from merch and booking fees.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: lothario15 on 2015-01-19 20:16:17
Yeah, because obviously it is cheap and risk-free to invest in an artist, like providing a studio, pressing CDs, financing a music video and promoting them.


Several others have already commented with the reply I was about to post.

Most of the time, the music industry is effectively a form of legal racketeering.  Unless they have significant clout or miraculous negotiation terms, the costs that you speak of are re-couped directly from the artists.  An artist's failure to make it big ultimately costs the artist, not the industry.

Fortunately, modern distribution methods (such as Bandcamp, BitTorrent bundles, personal websites, etc.) allow for an artist to trade directly with fans.  This new model will inevitably bring issues of promotion but I can assure you, I'll shed no tears for Johnny Industry Exec when the exploitation money dries up and he's forced to use ordinary toilet tissue instead of dollar bills to wipe his arse.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: RonaldDumsfeld on 2015-01-19 21:40:54
Downloads from Beatport.
MP3 format. DJ hardware doesn't support compressed lossless so it's not worth paying more if you want tags.
Vinyl from Shops.
Still quite a few left in town and it's a good day out.
CD via on-line.
If i cannot find it any other format and really, really, really want it.
Spotify.
Free version. Used for reference mostly.
Hi-Rez.
Don't bother any more. Couldn't tell the difference or not worth the extra.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: ExUser on 2015-01-19 23:58:55
Downloads from Beatport.
MP3 format. DJ hardware doesn't support compressed lossless so it's not worth paying more if you want tags.
Beatport? YOU CAD!
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Amk on 2015-01-20 09:28:49
I borrow CDs from the local library. It's free and they have a large selection so I can find all the music I want.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: vibee on 2015-01-20 12:58:39
Mainly at bandcamp
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: RonaldDumsfeld on 2015-01-20 18:09:41
Quote
Beatport‽ YOU CAD!


Sorry. Did I miss a memo or have I been too slow to see the joke?

 
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: storkeman on 2015-02-25 15:33:28
Why would anyone use anything other than Spotify these days? It's 2015, how can you use CD:s?
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: marc2003 on 2015-02-25 16:12:54
i don't think many people actually listen to CDs through a CD player. it's more about having ownership and full control over what formats you rip to, manage your files etc.

as for spotify, i don't even have proper internet at home so it's a no go for me. also, i have absolutely zero interest in internet connected mobile device/smartphones. i just use a dumb phone and a sansa clip+ for music when out and about.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: ExUser on 2015-02-25 16:34:34
Sorry. Did I miss a memo or have I been too slow to see the joke?
Beatport is ridiculously expensive, shares little of that with the artist, and generally promotes unhealthy business practices, IMO.

An artist I'm friends with wrote a frustrated rant about it here: http://re-drum.recyclednetlabel.net/ideas/...ort-likes-rant/ (http://re-drum.recyclednetlabel.net/ideas/beatport-likes-rant/)
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: cpchan on 2015-02-25 16:35:47
Why would anyone use anything other than Spotify these days? It's 2015, how can you use CD:s?


  • Physical lossless back up for the music one cares about.
  • Ability to encode to different  bitrates and codecs for different purposes.


Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2015-02-25 17:04:10
Why would anyone use anything other than Spotify these days? It's 2015, how can you use CD:s?
I buy them on-line, the company posts them to me, I rip them, I copy the files to my mp3 player, I listen to them whenever and wherever I want.

It's 2015, how can you use Spotify to listen to these artists?
http://pansentient.com/more-on-spotify/spotify-mia/ (http://pansentient.com/more-on-spotify/spotify-mia/)
Oh, sorry, you can't. Some of the most important artists ever aren't on there.

Less well publicised, but even more important to me, there are loads of record labels that don't allow any of their releases onto Spotify.

Frustratingly, even the tracks that are on Spotify can be removed without notice. Older tracks can be entirely the wrong version, edit, or remastered to sound awful.

I use Spotify quite a lot for pop music I have no interest in buying, and for casual listening, and to hear out-of-print CDs - but music I actually care about gets bought on CD. If I relied on Spotify more than I do (quite possible), then the only music I'd buy would be that which wasn't on Spotify. If enough people did this, it would create an incentive to remove things from Spotify. You want to be glad there aren't many people like me - it would create a vicious circle that would destroy Spotify in months.

Cheers,
David.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: ktf on 2015-02-25 17:29:49
Why would anyone use anything other than Spotify these days? It's 2015, how can you use CD:s?

For the same reason people still buy Vinyl: I like the artwork, I like to have a booklet, as to have some physical evidence of 'ownership', for bragging rights, and additionally, for being lossless?
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Hotsoup on 2015-02-25 17:55:18
Stating Current Year Still Leading Argument For Social Reform (http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-stating-current-year-still-leading-argument,35288/)

But seriously, I buy CD's multiple times a week online and at my local record store. Streaming services are great though. I just can't give up physical formats..
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: nastea on 2015-02-26 02:54:01
Why would anyone use anything other than Spotify these days? It's 2015, how can you use CD:s?


Because it's good and simple.

1. Put CD in CD-player
2. Press play
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: joey_m on 2015-02-26 10:54:46
I've been in a sort of "discovery mode" for the past few years, my only music purchases have been the "drops" offered by Soundsupply (http://www.soundsupp.ly). Quite pleased with my purchases so far, and they also offer FLAC downloads.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Muggestutz on 2015-02-26 23:50:49
I still buy CD's, even though I mainly listen them them ripped commuting and at work. Buy my main listening experience, at home, is CD's in the good ole CD-player. I love going through the stacks and having the cover in my hands.

Where I buy them? http://play.com (http://play.com) (quite cheap online retailer), http://www.velvetmusic.nl (http://www.velvetmusic.nl), https://www.konkurrent.nl (https://www.konkurrent.nl) (two nice Dutch webshops) and Plato in Utrecht. And I pick-up a CD now and again at gigs that I visit.

Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: apastuszak on 2015-02-27 02:16:48
Why would anyone use anything other than Spotify these days? It's 2015, how can you use CD:s?


Cause I refuse to rent my music.  I enjoy music too much to ever be in a situation where I can't listen to my music collection because my credit card was declined.

I want lossless, so I am not locked into a format.  So I still get CDs.  I buy from iTunes if there are bonus tracks that aren't offered anywhere else.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: punkrockdude on 2015-02-27 07:18:21
Why would anyone use anything other than Spotify these days? It's 2015, how can you use CD:s?
Cause I refuse to rent my music.  I enjoy music too much to ever be in a situation where I can't listen to my music collection because my credit card was declined.

I want lossless, so I am not locked into a format.  So I still get CDs.  I buy from iTunes if there are bonus tracks that aren't offered anywhere else.
Amen!
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: zoomorph on 2015-03-18 08:10:50
Piracy. 
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: IgorC on 2015-03-18 14:10:32
What? Nobody? Never?

(finally somebody has figured out the absence of so obvious option.)
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-03-18 20:42:34
Since this forum doesn't support piracy, it shouldn't be a surprise when it is not included as an option on polls.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Shostakovich on 2015-06-25 20:23:45
What's the point of asking if you don't want to hear the answer?
I use "you know what"
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: GeSomeone on 2015-06-26 21:27:08
It's 2015, how can you use Spotify to listen to these artists?
http://pansentient.com/more-on-spotify/spotify-mia/ (http://pansentient.com/more-on-spotify/spotify-mia/)
Oh, sorry, you can't. Some of the most important artists ever aren't on there.

David.

I know it is a couple of months ago since this was posted, but that list is from some 4 years ago.

To name a few: Oasis, Eagles, Metallica, Pink Floyd, Rammstein and Led Zeppelin are now all on Spotify. I'm not saying everything will be, but a lot of those in the list mentioned are there.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2015-06-29 11:54:40
I don't know what the current "not on Spotify" list is, but I think it still contains The Beatles and Taylor Swift.


Isn't there a whole generations that "gets" its music from YouTube? Plenty of Beatles and Taylor Swift on there

Cheers,
David.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: includemeout on 2015-06-29 23:20:10
However passé or just plain weird it may sound, I still have a hoot at buying and ripping CDs, then converting them into some quality lossless(ssy) format.

So, physical collection in hand, I couldn't honestly care less whether some kick-ass streaming service keeps artist X or Y on their monthly I.O.U. list.

Though the merits of something like Bandcamp, or the plain brilliant idea behind murfie.com (https://www.murfie.com/), are really something to be shouted about.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: The Mighty Favog on 2015-06-30 02:54:16
Several of above.

I'll buy CD's, SACD's, Blu-rays and, on rare occasion DVD's when a Blu-ray isn't available.

I'll buy them in order of preference, used (either from stores or Amazon) or new, either from the artist themselves, a local store (if the price is reasonable), Amazon or some specialty music store.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: ChrisMini on 2015-07-15 06:08:32
I go to the local public library. It is linked with 20 other libraries and I can almost always get any title I want. Rip 'em to ALAC or AIFF and turn them back in.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Engelsstaub on 2015-07-15 21:28:06
I've been buying a lot of Japanese SACDs lately. DSD sounds wonderful!

...but seriously: lots of cool (to me) classic titles being released on the silly format. I'm exceedingly happy with the latest SHM-SACD master of T. Rex's "Electric Warrior" and am really enjoying Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow on SACD as well.

I consume music from multiple sources though. Usually CD, sometimes vinyl, direct digital downloads (I limit unauthorized ones to OOP titles,) subscription-based streaming, etc.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2015-07-16 10:38:40
These days I mostly buy LPs of albums from my favorite bands, and/or buy+download from Bandcamp. A surprising number of artists use BC these days, and the mobile app is a joy to use. A lot of LPs come with download codes, too.

I prefer LPs because I like the whole tactile nature of the playback, and because it encourages me to not skip or shuffle tracks. The big artwork and fancy colored LPs is a huge bonus as well.

I only buy CDs if the album is not available on LP or as a lossless download.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: slks on 2015-07-22 18:29:47
Where does my music come from? The stork brings it, wrapped up in a handkerchief.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: DigitalDictator on 2015-07-23 14:53:30
So people actually pay for a whole CD just to look at the artwork? I just can't believe that is true. You can look at it online if needed. Besides, where are you going to store all your CD's? Eventually you end up with a dumpster full of CD's, and you'll never ever find the CD you are looking for when you feel like listening to it. I don't even have a CD player anymore. Spotify or YouTube for me, thanx. Oh, yeah that's right, I used to be an audio freak back in the day, but now I'm "free" from that burden and I no longer have the audio paranoia that is pretty common around here. 
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Hotsoup on 2015-07-23 15:26:19
(http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/files/2015/07/AlbumsUs2015.jpg)
Apparently some people still buy CDs. Who are those freaks?
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2015-07-23 19:56:18
Apparently some people still buy CDs. Who are those freaks?


Me, if there's no download available for purchase and the LP doesn't come with a download code and I can't find it through "other sources".
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: SIY on 2015-08-19 20:00:36
My preferred method isn't listed. Purchase CD directly from the artist.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2015-08-19 20:26:56
My preferred method isn't listed. Purchase CD directly from the artist.


That's a good point. I recently bought a couple of albums directly from the artists after a concert. I feel it's the best way to support them directly, since you also get a chance to properly express your appreciation for their music.
Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: SIY on 2015-08-19 20:32:21
That's a good point. I recently bought a couple of albums directly from the artists after a concert. I feel it's the best way to support them directly, since you also get a chance to properly express your appreciation for their music.


We also fund albums through Kickstarter. One of those ended up with Peter Mulvey dropping by our house and putting on an impromptu show for my wife and me. The others all got us autographed albums, in advance of release, and a nice excuse to talk to the artists after shows. We just got our advance download of Jeffrey Foucault's new album and a nice note. We host house concerts now and then, and lots of CDs get sold that way as well.


Title: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2015-08-19 22:52:26
Where does my music come from? The stork brings it, wrapped up in a handkerchief.


Just miraculously showing up Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: MRDA 1981 on 2017-10-20 23:42:22
Mostly old/used CDs I pick up dirt-cheap from Amazon, E-Bay, and Discogs. Occasionally, I'll get something brand new, but that's increasingly rare these days.

Sometimes, bandcamp has an album not available, or extortionately available, on disc; even better, they're lossless, unlike Amazon and iTunes, which I've never taken to. I'll only spend money on either music on CDS or lossless digital; the freedom to encode anyfformat I want that a lossless source grants is of Paramount importance to me.

Streaming music? Bleh! I like things local.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Chibisteven on 2017-10-21 06:24:04
I get my music from everywhere...

  • Retailers like Best Buy, Walmart or Target
  • Record stores (preferably the Audio CD format and brand new)
  • Used off the internet from places like eBay and Amazon.
  • Brand new from reputable online retailers such as Amazon, CDJapan, etc.
  • I have an iTunes account that I buy songs from.
  • Video games.  I record from an actual console or extract the streams on a case by case basis for each game.
  • Live TV (LOL), I did this once actually.
  • Download a few MIDIs from independent artists, the ones that come with soundfonts or mention which soundfont or synthesizer to use does make life a hell lot easier, nothing stops me from trying to make a MIDI sound more pleasant to me on a favorite synthesizer if I can't find out what I'm supposed to use.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: polemon on 2017-10-22 10:28:33
To be brutally honest: I often use plain old Youtube. Not all of it, but a lot of it is just there, and it's super easy to use. Also, it works everywhere.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: EpicForever on 2017-10-22 17:08:50
From all these sources except streaming services like deezer or spotify...

It depends on various things like:
- availability (if something is available on vinyl only - then there is no alternative and I buy vinyl - used or new)
- if I like whole contents of release or not (if not - I go Beatport, Junodownload, even Google Play or itunes to get just the track that I like)
- if new items are still available (well, you can't easily buy new CD that was released 10 years ago and was never re-released)

I rather don't use SACD and DVD-A, as music released in these formats is mostly far from my music taste or lies on its edge and investment in SACD/DVD-A is exaggeration.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: kode54 on 2017-10-23 01:22:50
I've bought a few CDs, and also acquired lossless and even lossy rips either by shady means or by purchasing downloads directly, but mostly these days I listen to streaming music. I just switched from Spotify to Apple Music again last month.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: The Seeker on 2017-10-23 08:21:23
I just switched from Spotify to Apple Music again last month.

I've been tossing up between these two services; have you found one to be superior to the other?
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: kode54 on 2017-10-23 23:49:58
Not necessarily. They're both purveyors of huge amounts of music. Both have radio services that will generally oscillate between the same 40-50 tracks at random no matter how long you listen to them or "curate" with the like/dislike features. Apple Music tends to totally ignore the dislike setting if there are too few tracks on a given "station" and plays what it wants regardless. For example, a station based on Todd Terje, a Nu Disco / electronic artist, will frequently oscillate to the Spoken Word stylings of Gil Scott-Heron, even though I've marked all of his tracks as Disliked.

Spotify has the same 40-50 tracks problem with its per-user mix lists as well as its radio stations, but maybe I don't listen to enough super popular music.

Either one is super handy if you want to listen to a particular track or album on demand, at any given time, as long as it's featured in their library.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Chibisteven on 2017-10-24 00:29:36
Either one is super handy if you want to listen to a particular track or album on demand, at any given time, as long as it's featured in their library.

Or figuring out what track or album to buy for your personal music library, too.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: kode54 on 2017-10-24 01:39:17
That too.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: The Seeker on 2017-10-24 02:01:21
@kode54 Thanks for the detailed response.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Fairy on 2017-10-24 14:50:34
What about Usenet?

It's not a payed option but I think many people use it to obtain lossless copies. Even if they own the original.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: kode54 on 2017-10-25 00:35:41
It's probably a bad idea that I happened to mention shady means in the first place. It's best not to actually describe where you get your legal-gray-area or totally-illegal music, as that's against the forum rules.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: eahm on 2017-10-25 01:28:08
Found a coupon for Spotify for $40/year, tried one year, not for me. Went back to foobar2000 and my collection.

I use Amazon, eBay and Zia Records (store) primarily for used CDs then rip them to FLAC and resell/give/throw them away. I've also had a lot of luck with Qobuz lately for Italian albums I can't find anywhere (bought a rare one today thinking about it) other than Amazon Italy, eBay Italy etc. but I live in USA so... Qobuz is expensive but damn they have almost everything. Tip: If you subscribe to Qobuz don't insert your country or they will not let you buy/download anything, I had to make a second account because the first one I think I changed to USA, they have a USA version but it's a different library.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Fairy on 2017-10-26 10:28:41
Found a coupon for Spotify for $40/year, tried one year, not for me. Went back to foobar2000 and my collection.

I use Amazon, eBay and Zia Records (store) primarily for used CDs then rip them to FLAC and resell/give/throw them away. I've also had a lot of luck with Qobuz lately for Italian albums I can't find anywhere (bought a rare one today thinking about it) other than Amazon Italy, eBay Italy etc. but I live in USA so... Qobuz is expensive but damn they have almost everything. Tip: If you subscribe to Qobuz don't insert your country or they will not let you buy/download anything, I had to make a second account because the first one I think I changed to USA, they have a USA version but it's a different library.

Very strictly taken buying a CD, ripping to FLAC and reselling them is illegal. But I really don't mind that much. I've never seen an artist that lived in poverty.

About mentioning Usenet. That's a quite general description, not pointing towards specific tools. Guess this is fine by the laws of freedom of speech.... Part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Should not to be taken lightly. At least not in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: eahm on 2017-10-26 10:35:15
Fairy, let me clarify, I only take them back to Zia for a small fraction of the cost, they give you maybe $.50/2, I've done this with 3 or 4 since I have to drive etc. so I rather give them away or even just trash them.

I don't care if it's illegal, once it's in my house and I have my mind in peace that I bought a copy I do whatever I want with the data, save it, back it up etc. of course not share it. That's the main reason I don't like streaming services, I like owning my stuff. What's really illegal to me is sharing it, I didn't make it, I have no rights to share it.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2017-10-26 14:50:44
Very strictly taken buying a CD, ripping to FLAC and reselling them is illegal.
That is a matter of jurisdiction, obviously. In some jurisdictions, a copy you legally make is legally yours, even after it would not anymore be legal to create it. On the other extreme, the UK forbids ripping your own CDs at all (http://the1709blog.blogspot.no/2015/11/one-year-on-private-copying-exception.html). 

(But there has to be more? IANAL, but I loosely browsed the ruling, and it seems not exclusive to "ripping music".  As lyrics are copyrightable works, any Liverpool kid who handwrites down the lyrics to You'll Never Walk Alone is a criminal. Maybe isolated quotes like http://www.bartleby.com/73/1002.html are more comme-il-faut.)
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: tomstephens89 on 2017-10-27 12:02:17
Mostly I buy CD's new from Amazon after discovering something I want to listen to via Spotify. But recently I have been using Music Magpie to buy used CD's, especially if the CD was a small production run and is expensive/hard to find new.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: DaZDNKnFuZD on 2017-10-28 02:41:18
I buy new CDs online from various sources, as well as going into shops, although I tend not to do that as often as I get overwhelmed with what is on offer... I could spend ages browsing music in a proper record store.
I also buy pre-loved CDs. eBay used to be my main source, and the Amazon marketplace, but since discovering Discogs a few years ago that's where I do my shopping these days.
There's also Bandcamp for both physical and digital media.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: eahm on 2017-10-28 02:50:26
Oh yes, forgot about Bandcamp and Beatport, both great for music.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: ThaCrip on 2018-07-20 08:39:52
"Other" (i.e. FLAC online and then I use those to make my lossy rips with Foobar2000)

although I do have some CD's I had from about 18-25 years ago I still got and then ripped those to FLAC with EAC not all that long ago.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2018-07-20 09:51:08
Since the thread is resurrected, a warning about Bandcamp, who has become just another industry shark who will rip off their customers and hide behind anti-piracy provisions.

Your music - and thus your purchased right to stream and redownload - can disappear without notice. Not only when Bandcamp feels like it - also if the artist carelessly takes the album offline temporarily (for example to reupload a revision, it seems).
According to Bandcamp's TOS, they will keep the artists' promise of unlimited streaming and redownloads, but Bandcamp simply refuses to do so. (Yes they reserve the right to pull the plug on piracy, and they referred me to that provision - but it is obviously not the case for an album that was available at the time, having been re-upped by the label. For a second one, I retrieved written confirmation from the artist that there had never been any dispute over the right to distribute, so Bandcamp is just lying wholesale.)
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2018-07-20 12:53:06
So Bandcamp reserves the right to simply annul my purchases, long after the fact?

I guess I'd better make sure I have everything downloaded and backed up locally.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2018-07-28 23:17:58
So Bandcamp reserves the right to simply annul my purchases, long after the fact?

That is what they apparently do, if the publisher/label/artist/vendor takes it offline.

By their terms of service, the artist authorizes Bandcamp to provide the buyer with additional copies [blah blah blah], and, quote, A user that has a Fan Account will also be permitted to redownload any previously purchased Content from an Artist.
I claimed that from Bandcamp, and they outright refused.

Bandcamp referred to the part of the ToS that in their clarification was put there "in the event of an infringement claim".  If so, "we may be required to revoke streaming access to prior purchases." So those provisions, that are allegedly there because Bandcamp "may be required to revoke", is just their excuse for pulling the plug on what I paid for.
(To be clear, the band confirmed to me that the distribution was legit.)


I guess I'd better make sure I have everything downloaded and backed up locally.

Even Bandcamp recommends that - it looks like a "if you buy from a scammer who uploaded a pirate version, download it and look the other way when it is taken down" warning. But in reality it is "because it could be revoked for no good reason".

I haven't bought much from Bandcamp since.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: kode54 on 2018-07-29 08:34:10
I've never used Bandcamp's streaming services anyway. I always treat purchases from them as download FLAC and pretend my local copy is the only copy that I'll ever have access to.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2018-07-29 09:26:20
I've never used Bandcamp's streaming services anyway. I always treat purchases from them as download FLAC and pretend my local copy is the only copy that I'll ever have access to.

Same, in reality - and especially now. But I still hate corporates that rip me off. And especially music industry sharks who hide behind the piracy excuse in order to piss off their paying customers.
(I nearly managed to avoid EMI and BMG the years they sold mock CDs too. Nearly - it is hard when you buy people's entire collections second-hand.)
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: benenator on 2018-10-07 22:52:08
I put down the CDs, used option, but I'm roughly tied between that and downloads -- whether that be from Hyperion, Bandcamp, the Free Music Archive, artists' own websites, or even Jamendo (back when they were good and provided OGG Vorbis files and even torrents).
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2018-10-08 12:26:57
and even torrents
Archive.org does that, here is their section for netlabels (https://archive.org/details/netlabels). But torrents are not so much used, it seems - well my taste could be too narrow for anyone wanting to download the same things. But these days I rather grab the fileset marked "Original", I do not think the torrent indicates which ones that were uploaded.
(Beware some illicit uploads every now and then, of course.)
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: benenator on 2018-10-09 21:53:23
I do not think the torrent indicates which ones that were uploaded.

I use Transmission as my Bittorent client; it lets you view the list of files that will be downloaded and seeded, and even allows you to easily deselect files and folders you don't want. I believe most clients I've tried have this option?  Could be wrong about that.

Thanks for the tip about the Internet Archive!
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: Porcus on 2018-10-09 23:35:35
I meant: which files the uploader submitted, and which ones were auto-transcoded by archive.org. That's not a BT-technical thing.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: record collector on 2019-02-02 05:57:53
When I buy music I mostly buy vinyl discs OR High Resolution 24 bit 192 kHz/96 kHz FLAC.
Title: Re: Where do you get your music from?
Post by: isaccasi on 2019-03-30 11:43:28
Hello, I use Apple Music+Google Play Music+Youtube Premium but most I prefer Tidal Hi-Fi.
I read the other day that Tidal Hi-Fi version now have 150.000 tunes in Master quality(24 bit-96 KHz)
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