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Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: rjamorim on 2002-08-08 15:39:53
Comments welcome.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Q! on 2002-08-08 15:53:48
Probably yes, cause I like it. Not sure though.

EDIT: Well no. Not yet. It still lacks too many features. :-/
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: guruboolez on 2002-08-08 15:56:06
I am waiting for a mpc plug-in before switching... or simply testing WA3.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ben on 2002-08-08 16:04:05
I hate the way the new playlist operates in WA3. 

I'll probably just stick with WA2 for awhile, unless I'm forced to use 3
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Sawg on 2002-08-08 16:04:28
I am waitng for Album List  Never was a big fan of the Media Library.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: dev0 on 2002-08-08 16:05:17
I'll probably stick with Winamp 2 at first. Winamp3 is really nice and I'll definetly test it, but without Shoutcast/Icecast support it's completely useless to me...

dev0
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: caligae on 2002-08-08 16:12:14
Depends on what I'm doing.

When I just want to hear some music while sitting in front of my computer I'll stick to Winamp 2.x. But if i plan to make playlists and do dedicated listening, I'll be using Winamp3.

Winamp3 is just not as resource friendly as Winamp 2.x but playlist management is much better. Though i'd like to see some more playlist/media library in the future.

(So where's the option "I'll switch over but not completely?"  )
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: KAMiKAZOW on 2002-08-08 16:14:00
Quote
Originally posted by guruboolez
I am waiting for a mpc plug-in before switching... or simply testing WA3.

http://www.blorp.com/~peter/wa3.htm (http://www.blorp.com/~peter/wa3.htm)
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: KAMiKAZOW on 2002-08-08 16:15:35
What should I vote? I already switched with RC1.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Q! on 2002-08-08 16:23:14
Quote
Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW

http://www.blorp.com/~peter/wa3.htm (http://www.blorp.com/~peter/wa3.htm)


That plugin wont play files with Mid/Side Stereo disabled.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: David Nordin on 2002-08-08 16:37:26
No, still alot that is missning for me.
What I want:
* Logarithmic Volume & Panning. (Not possible in WA3 yet)
* dB steps with Vol. & Pan. instead of % - enabled with e.g. out_ds (Not possible to fix with WA2)
* volume & pan bars that don't depend on stuff like resolution etc. - smooth stepless movement. (Not possible to fix with WA2)

yep.. that's about it...
oh
* Something similar to AlbumList (http://come.to/albumlist) but better and with more features.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: guruboolez on 2002-08-08 17:03:49
KAMiKAZOW > thanks a lot !!! Hpe that a better one will come soon (i.e Comments tags)

Q! > That's a good protection
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Conger on 2002-08-08 17:23:11
I will switch as soon as a good iTunes skin is available.  The UI for Winamp3 is horrible and ugly.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ckjnigel on 2002-08-08 17:29:27
for the task of the moment.  For listening to streaming online radio, tiny footprint CoolPlayer rules! (Get ver 2.06 from BetaNews) At present,  there's no particular advantage I can find in WA3 to offset the disadvantage of resource hogging.  As a matter of fact, I think Sonique 2 (Brazil's new threat!) more appealing. That could change as plugin apps are developed...As a video player, WA3 is for the birds.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: LIF on 2002-08-08 17:47:05
I've been using 2.x versions and they always
worked great on my Duron 1.2 and my "other babies" 100/233 mhz.
Since I use the oldest to play mp3's,mpc's and cda's connected to my
sound system I prefer not to upgrade by obvious reasons...
Time ago, tried 3.x beta, and didnt like it...kinda slow and
buggy. Maybe 3.0 final is ok, but 2.80 is being great in all tasks(in
the tree machines)...
BTW, Why did they remove shoutcast from 3.0?(Oops... I almost
forgot who owns Nullsoft!!).

Abracos para o grande Roberto.

LIF
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Peter on 2002-08-08 18:32:27
i'm not using wa3, imo it's still too buggy (funny, i used beta1 - beta3 versions as my primary player), i still live with v2.x (though i dont have 488/3.0, can't download it, sitting on a really shitty 56k now).
to all of you who bitch about Winamp 2.x being too stupid (having limited features / retarded playback engine / whatever) & Winamp 3.x being too big/bloated - yes, i understand what you mean, i'd be probably with you if i wasn't one of Winamp devs. this is really hard, it doesn't make much sense to improve v2 (because any "major improvements" would break skins/plugins; any big changes i can think of would go in the direction of simething similar to v3 anyway).
about "missing features" in 3.0 - they will hopefully appear in 3.01 or something, some of things had to be removed so whole thing could be finished before the deadline.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: rjamorim on 2002-08-08 18:47:34
Quote
Originally posted by LIF
Abracos para o grande Roberto.


Abracos para voce tambem, grande LIF.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: CiTay on 2002-08-08 18:58:24
Quote
Abracos para voce tambem, grande LIF.


Abracadabra, sim salabim. :cool2:

On topic now: I'll stick to Winamp 2.x until 3.x has matured some more.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: dreamliner77 on 2002-08-08 19:04:12
stupid question...
Can I install WA3 in its own directory and still have access to winamp 2.xx?  Hell, I'm still using winamp 2.72 and am happy with that.  I do like the skinning options for 3 though,  corner amp etc.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Jan S. on 2002-08-08 19:07:04
Quote
Originally posted by dreamliner77
stupid question...
Can I install WA3 in its own directory and still have access to winamp 2.xx?  Hell, I'm still using winamp 2.72 and am happy with that.  I do like the skinning options for 3 though,  corner amp etc.
yes
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Gecko on 2002-08-08 19:27:27
What I see as a user: Winamp3 = Winamp2 + media library + advanced skinning + crossfading + video player capability + internal routines to factorize large numbers for the NSA (must be some reason why it's so slow). Currently I don't need any of these features and the lack of a good mpc plugin makes me stick to Winamp2 for the time being.
The most apparent change to me is the skinning system. I was very impressed by the skins I tried. Fancy animations etc. The variable layout got me confused though from time to time. You can tell me that the internals have changed alot and are much more flexible, that's cool, but as a user I don't see any benefits yet. The interface just feels slower. Let's see what the future brings.
Note: this is just my personal way of looking at the program. I respect those who have worked hard on the new version. I'm also not sure what to expect. v2.80 is allready a very cool, flexible, feature rich piece of software. Making major improvements is almost impossible.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: rc55 on 2002-08-08 19:39:28
Winamp3 is ok in my opinion but there are a lot of niggles I have with it. I'm sure everyone has heard the argument about Winamp 1/2 breaking the laws of GUI design but I think with this latest version its gone far too overboard.

The skins argument will no doubt kick in but I find that its far more than that. Its purely technical elegance throughout the whole user experience. I think Winamp's strength is in its mature back end .dll's, and input and output plugins which Peter works tirelessly on.

OK, lets look at the winamp3 user interface. Could you say that without even touching the application, you'd be able to guess what every control would do? I doubt it.

The Media Library / Playlist is a confusing setup of two methods of doing something which should essentially be done in one control. The components themselves are abysmal and rushed and should have really been thought out a whole lot better. Since when does clicking buttons make a menu pop up? (see playlist editor).

The contrasts on the default skin are too harsh and makes the application look ugly. It's like having a black fronted hi-fi with brushed silver buttons... quite oxymoronic!

Among other complaints, the top of the windows have their own controls which make no sense at all, like the + in the left corner of the windows... all metaphorically confusing and inconsistant!

I'm getting quite bored of complaining but I feel Winamp3 is basically great concept, abysmal execution. So, I'll end up using it anyway due to its versatility, but the learning curve is a highly unnecessary and could have been circumvented for newbies.

Oh, and dont get me started on the configuration dialogs!

Later

Ruairi
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: fewtch on 2002-08-08 19:48:33
This might be a stupid question, but... what's driving development of WA3?  The reason I ask is that it seems silly to me to compete directly with WMP (or anything by Microsoft, for that matter), and WA2 really is *good enough* I think in most respects, for the majority (maybe not... please, no flames).

Just a purely rhetorical question, but... is it possible to call a piece of software "done?"  Just say "it's finished, that's the last version" and then offer services, skins, the chatroom and various other goodies (maybe even paid services) to accompany that finally finished, completed piece of software. 

As a sometimes-programmer I know the conventional answer to this question, but in this day of upcoming so-called "web services" ... maybe it's possible to finish a software instead of the typical happening, where company/programmer interest gradually "poops out" and the project is dropped... or when a program just starts to bloat out of control eventually.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: guruboolez on 2002-08-08 19:48:34
I am a tagging maniac, and have a big and growing mpc library : it's painful to navigate in it. MediaJukebox made a good job before I switched to APE2...

With Winamp3, I have a lot of pleasure : the Media Library is wonderful (but buggy : there are missing files). I can navigate easily, and in many directions, in my library.

http://membres.lycos.fr/guruboolez/AUDIO/Winamp3.png (http://membres.lycos.fr/guruboolez/AUDIO/Winamp3.png)

If bugs are limited, I may use it frequently. Just hope that Case will develop soon a good plug-in for musepack.


P.S. mpc sound seems to have some problem... But I'm not not sure
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Sawg on 2002-08-08 20:15:44
>> what's driving development of WA3?
My guess AOLTW.  I think they are looking for some return on their investment.  i remember seeing early screen shots of a Winamp3 based AOL Media Player.

But when it comes right down to it there is either two ways you can go with a Media Player.  The small and fast or the Jack of all trades thing.  It looks like Nullsoft is trying to cover them both.  Seeing since EVERYTHING in Winamp3 is a component you can have it as small or as large as you want.  In fact I think it is kind of cool.  Don't want the Media library?  Delete it.  Don't want the Minibrowser?  Delete it.  And so on.

But when you have corporate interests behind a product you have to try to appeal to the masses who LIKE WiMP and MMJB.  Trying to do that without aniliating your loyal user base of fast and efficient users can be tough.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Pri3st on 2002-08-08 20:16:18
Winamp 2 is just so light than I can use it also when I am playing games. If I want media library and video player capability , I just can use media jukebox.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: rjamorim on 2002-08-08 20:33:06
Well, there's no MPC plugin for Winamp3 yet, but there surely is an AAC plugin.

(Thanks to Menno for some hasty code changes to support latest SDK)

Grab it here:

http://www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00/files/cnv_aacpcm.exe (http://www.inf.ufpr.br/~rja00/files/cnv_aacpcm.exe)

Regards;

Roberto.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: [JAZ] on 2002-08-08 20:54:03
I wonder... could the media library be made as a General Winamp2 plugin??? That would definitely made the Winamp 2 really complete.

I say this because, if I'm not wrong, the media library is a component, and thus, one could make a winamp2 plugin that loads winamp3 components (or even, a thinger!)

What do you think?
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: madah on 2002-08-08 21:07:40
Been trying WA3 a little bit now... it's awful SLOW on my system (Celeron 450).. for instance, it takes several seconds to change between the different tabs in preferences, and when bringing back WA3 from minimized state... with WA2 all this happens instant, so I'm going to continue to use WA2...
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Volcano on 2002-08-10 23:40:07
The first experience I had with Winamp3 was just pathetic, I've hardly ever seen so many bugs in a matter of five minutes.

I added all my MPC and Ogg files to the media library - but the "Oggies" just wouldn't show up. A Winamp restart did it.

I then opened the file info for one of the Ogg files - Winamp3 opened the file info for a completely different file, which is located way further down the media library list. WTF!

Further criticism:

Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: guruboolez on 2002-08-10 23:58:45
Quote
Originally posted by Volcano
  • The program can't handle letters like "é", it displays weird charachters instead. (Screenshot... (http://free.pages.at/volcano/temp/wa3bug.png))


Strange : WA did a good job for that, with all accents : É, È, é, ó, ø, à, ù, î...

http://membres.lycos.fr/guruboolez/AUDIO/Winamp3.png (http://membres.lycos.fr/guruboolez/AUDIO/Winamp3.png)


Seen many bugs on Media Library too (esp. missing files). But I forgive WA3 : Media Jukebox do not support APE2, and can't do the same job.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Wish on 2002-08-11 03:01:30
Quote
Originally posted by Volcano

  • In one case, the Media Library displayed two numbers in front of every song, one in yellow and another in green, for no apparent reason at all. Unfortunately, I didn't capture a screenshot with this - it looked quite funny, though.


This is actually a feature for WA3, try Alt+Click a few songs in WA3's Playlist. It enqueues them independent of the Playlist order, really handy once you realise how useful it is.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Somebody on 2002-08-11 03:02:42
Not me, no sir!
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Volcano on 2002-08-11 08:02:28
OK, I stand corrected on those two points. The incorrect display of accents seems to be my system's fault - still, it doesn't happen with Winamp2.

Those yellow numbers popped up suddenly out of the blue, that's why I thought it was a totally senseless bug.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Neo Neko on 2002-08-11 08:12:52
Resources while playing Vorbis files.

Winamp2 - CPU <=1% - RAM 11Mb
Winamp3 - CPU <=1% - RAM 14Mb


This was with the default skin and no desktop alpha on an AMD Anthlon XP 1600+ with 256Mb PC2100 RAM.
___________________________________________

Asside from the lack of maturity I see no disparraging resource hogging. But there's no plugin support for format "X" you say? Well Winamp2 was missing format "X" at one time as well. You don't like the way the media library behaves? Don't use it or change it. The guys over at nullsoft have given you the ability to tinker with and change almost the entire program! As Peter said there is no way to have done this for Winamp2 without completely rewriting it as Winamp3. The aplication is yours to remake in your own image!

What I find most exciting is the fact that Nullsoft are looking at going multiplatform with this! Finally a unifying multimedia player.

Rather than complaining about what Winamp3 does not have we should add those things! I think we should start an archive here of script modds, components, and skins specifically related to HA. How about an integrated ABX suite in Winamp3? It is only waiting for someone to write it! With Winamp3 the sky is the limit! Almost litteraly. Lets take the initiative and run with it!
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: peekpoke on 2002-08-11 09:49:30
> Will my old plug-ins still work?
Nope.

> Will Winamp3 no longer be free?
Yep.
There are many items that Nullsoft would like to include in Winamp3 that cost
Nullsoft licensing money per-download.  So the Pay version of Winamp3 will
include these items.

> Will it take more system resources? '
Yep.
Winamp3 is A LOT more 'powerful' then Winamp2, so yes it will take more
system resources.

> Will Winamp3 be open source?
Nope.

> Does Winamp3 sound better then Winamp 2.X?
NO. It is the exact same decoder used in Winamp 2.X.

> Is the Winamp3 Equalizer better then Winamp2's?
Nope.

> Can I stream SHOUTcast?
Currently there is no SHOUTcast DSP plug for Winamp3. Don't expect seeing one
any time soon either.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Volcano on 2002-08-11 10:25:53
Quote
There are many items that Nullsoft would like to include in Winamp3 that cost
Nullsoft licensing money per-download.

Do you possibly know what kind of features that's supposed to be?
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: peekpoke on 2002-08-11 10:57:54
Quote
Originally posted by Volcano

Do you possibly know what kind of features that's supposed to be?


MP3 Pro, MPEG2, MPEG4, whatever someone wants to charge AOL money for.

Funny part is, there is now a FREE MP3 Pro plugin for WinAMP 2.x.

Word in the NULLSOFT forum seems to imply that AOL forced this release date, and that up until recently there was always just 1 person working on WinAMP3.

I assume NULLSOFT has two uses to AOL:

1. For now it provides forced advertising, anyone who downloads WinAMP for the first time has their system splattered with AOL links. Is that worth a 2 or 3 million a year?  Maybe.

2. Provide some kind of AOL branded media player to replace the Microsoft Media Player which has ties to AOL competitors. It also allows AOL to get into the 'media portal' business.

AOL is big on version numbering, notice the heavy emphasis in their television advertising on new AOL 6, or new AOL 7!  I assume the same people who run that division have say over NULLSOFT.

One question I'm sure we are all asking is - if NULLSOFT has at least 14 employees, how can it be that only 2 are working on WinAMP 3?
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: rc55 on 2002-08-12 11:20:02
From what I can see, Nullsoft appears to be a company that is incapable of taking itself seriously. To me, WinAMP was more of a "kewl app" that turned into something far more useful in time however it has yet to shake off its "supar-leet" look.

Yes, there has been some pretty nice things appearing because of nullsoft, notably:

- Application Skinning (although there are pro's and con's with that - I always use the main skin)

- Gnutella (p2p serverless file trading - however AOL has discarded this and the project is now in the public domain)

- Visualisation Plugins (probably wouldnt have happened on other applications if it wasnt for Nullsoft)

- Promotion of the mp3 format

From my point of view, I think Nullsoft has alienated its users by releasing a broken half finished player. After about 4 years of development on the original Winamp code (come on, I dont think it's ever had a complete rewrite!). Second of all, having this player support video is a bad idea! A hell of a lot of things are broken in this release and when it steals file associations and cant launch the file successfully it makes me want to tear my hair out!

Further alienation is to be expected because the two players just feel different. With Winamp 2 right clicking on different parts of the interface had different effects/menu's, now with Winamp3 its quite a bit different. It's just devoid of any logic really and broken also.

Makes me wonder how Freeamp/Zinf is coming along... :/

Ruairi
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: peekpoke on 2002-08-12 12:44:44
Quote
Originally posted by rc55
Yes, there has been some pretty nice things appearing because of nullsoft, notably:

- Application Skinning (although there are pro's and con's with that - I always use the main skin)


Although it's this very fixed size bitmap based skinning that is my #1 problem with WinAMP.  If it was a custom interface with color definitions that was coded instead of skinned, we'd have some hope of WinAMP 2.x being usable on high resolution displays.  Instead we have "double size" mode which is a crude double pixel scale of those very same bitmaps. Yuck!

Anyway, I'd like to add two more items to NULLSOFT's list of acheivements:

1. SHoutcast, Free MP3 streaming internet radio. Although it looks like it's being snuffed out in the USA.

2. PIMP (now called some kind of generic name (NAIS?)), the free, small, fast, installer. Excellent stuff!  Used by all sorts of programs, for instance the latest ZoomPlayer (recommended Video player) uses it as an installer.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: rc55 on 2002-08-12 12:52:16
Oh yeah - that too! My bad
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Sawg on 2002-08-12 16:52:35
Quote
Originally posted by peekpoke

2. PIMP (now called some kind of generic name (NAIS?)), the free, small, fast, installer. Excellent stuff!  Used by all sorts of programs, for instance the latest ZoomPlayer (recommended Video player) uses it as an installer.


PIMP was the original Plug-In Installer (It stood for somthing, I forget what).  From PIMP came SuperPIMP which was a more powerful installer use for Winamp it's self.  It is now called NSIS: Nullsoft (SuperPIMP|Scriptable) Install System.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Volcano on 2002-08-12 21:39:25
Plug-in Mini Packager.

NSIS rocks, I couldn't agree more. (PiMP is all right for simple Winamp plugin installations IMHO - it takes 2 minutes to configure and does basically the same job as NSIS in this case.)

A far better achievement of Nullsoft's than Winamp3.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Caleb on 2002-08-27 23:45:17
get over it.

this final version should stink just as 2.0 or 1.0 did

only that it is much more complicated.. and it stinks less

It takes time to port all that wa2 had to wa3 coz its a different program and it uses different code and plugins (im talking about the way they are coded).

Just wait and i bet that wa3.01 will kick major butt(ox)!
hey, what do u think will be with wa3.81?? heh.. c'mon people stop comparing wa3 with wa2! maybe it does lack a few features from wa2.. but give it time, and love, and ull see it will love you back 
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: sony666 on 2002-08-29 21:30:53
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What I see as a user: Winamp3 = Winamp2 + media library + advanced skinning + crossfading + video player capability + internal routines to factorize large numbers for the NSA (must be some reason why it's so slow).

Muhaha I like that NSA theory 

All I need is a humble mp3/ogg/ape player, and WA 2.81 does that just fine now. I had a brief look at the 3.0 final, which btw is a horrible monster and I pray for it's death 
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ger@co on 2002-08-30 03:04:45
For those of you who still can't play mpc, ape of flac in Winamp3, just copy and paste your Winamp2.xx "in_xxx.dlls" into your Winamp3 plug folder and you should be able to play them all.  That's what I did and they work fine.

Later.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ger@co on 2002-08-30 03:05:24
Oops!
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Sawg on 2002-08-30 20:04:09
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~cse/mpc/winamp/ (http://www.saunalahti.fi/~cse/mpc/winamp/)

Winamp3 MPC Converter
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: transmute on 2002-09-14 08:53:44
Hex yeah I'm switchin' jigga!

Can't beat havin the vizualizations runnin in the window and on the desktop!
Its far more hypnotic!

I would'nt really consider it to be lacking any features that I care about.
They'll have all the details ironed out soon enough.

!werD UP
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Neo Neko on 2002-09-14 10:23:14
Ok Sawg. We won't forget it!
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Pio2001 on 2002-10-09 05:37:00
I've been tryng Winamp3 3 or 4 times since it was alpha, and it always crashed on me. The final version just won't let me set anything, it opens frozen.
Well, actually not frozen : in fact it takes about 1 minute to respond to any user event (mouse, keyboard).
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: manni on 2002-11-14 13:24:34
Winamp2 is the best player for me. Works as it should, plays long playlists without problems. Nowadays it's used mainly for playing OGGs.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: manni on 2002-11-14 13:30:35
Winamp2 does still what it have to do nicely. No reason to switch to WA3. Nowadays it just plays OGGs and MP3s, WA3 just takes more resources.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: manni on 2002-11-15 10:57:58
I'm happy user of Winamp2. Plays .oggs and other types well and doesn't take too much resources on my old AMD K6-2 system.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Dibrom on 2002-11-15 12:09:58
Hrmm.... had a bit of weirdness going on in this thread a few minutes ago... posts weren't showing up.  I had to go in and manually fix the thread via phpmyadmin, but unfortunately the poll data was lost.  Sorry guys... but at least we got the posts working again.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Conger on 2002-11-15 12:43:26
The one thing that Winamp 3 has done is to point out how good Winamp 2 still is and also make people look for alternative players that got overlooked in anticipation of the all singing all dancing W3.

Winamp 2 is a wonderful player that plays media well.  It lacks user friendly features but it gets the job done quickly and efficiently.  W3 has lost the plot.  There are some great skins for it but otherwise it is all bloat and sloth.

So to answer the original question - I will not be using Winamp 3.  Actually I have rediscovered QCD and consider this to be the dogs' gnats of media players.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: MadiZone on 2002-11-15 14:32:50
I haven't used WinAMP since 2.09

CoolPlayer is all good!
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Peter on 2002-11-15 14:37:57
yeah we all know it. coolplayer uses less memory than winamp2 - it actually uses 6megs while winamp2 uses only 2, but it's opensource so it still uses less memory, blah blah, meow meow. go somewhere else.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: MadiZone on 2002-11-15 15:09:16
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yeah we all know it. coolplayer uses less memory than winamp2 - it actually uses 6megs while winamp2 uses only 2, but it's opensource so it still uses less memory, blah blah, meow meow. go somewhere else.

Your title might disqualify your claim. I don't care if it uses 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 or 50 megabytes of RAM. I have 640 MB to do with, so that's not my concern, but the fact is, CoolPlayer loads faster and is more responsive than WinAMP.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: MadiZone on 2002-11-15 15:11:31
... oh, and you're right - it's opensource 
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Peter on 2002-11-15 15:17:58
yeah, coolplayer users love to show off how their player is "better" than everything else (especially in winamp-related threads), eg. "it seeks faster" or "it loads faster". you see, winamp is intended to play music, not to be loaded 10 times a minute or to seek around files like crazy.
again, i don't care about "responsivity" or "memory usage" or "loading time", that's what coolplayer trolls always point, usually based on false claims (but again, who cares...).
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Pearson on 2002-11-15 15:30:49
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I had to go in and manually fix the thread via phpmyadmin, but unfortunately the poll data was lost.

I looked at the thread earlier today, and from what I can remember 74 % answered "No". But a lot of voting was made before the MPC codec was available, I guess.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: bronco30 on 2002-11-15 16:14:28
FYI - you can use shoutcast with winamp 3 - you just need to install  the 'winamp 2x plugin manger' and this will allow you to use the shoutcast plugin (along with several other wimamp 2 plugins).
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: dev0 on 2002-11-15 16:39:59
Coolplayer definetly is a nice player. It is small and somehow fast, but its architecture too limited to be considered a serious player; both Winamp 2/3 have an architecture open for extensions, while Coolplayer is a very monotholitic  software.
It has its place when you can not install software on your machine or want to burn a small player on a MP3 CD.

dev0
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: LIF on 2002-11-15 17:49:23
Nope.
Version 2.81 can handle all my needs and no complains about it.
WA3 is slower and buggy.
Since I mostly use older machines, upgrading will not bring any advantage or performance improvement.

So, lets keep 2.81.

LIF
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Peter on 2002-11-15 17:58:24
well, i'm not flaming coolplayer itself, i respect the competition; i only get annoyed by smartass coolplayer users inserting their plugs everywhere.
about Winamp3 - calling it "final" is very wrong right now, even i don't actually use it (though i have to develop components for it). i'm sure that my not-so-recent machines handle Winamp3 fine though (eg. 700mhz/128meg laptop), and resource usage will go down with incoming versions (though it will probably never be as low as with Winamp v2.x).
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Pio2001 on 2002-11-15 19:47:53
Final or not, Winamp 3 always got "stopped because it has performed an illegal operation", or just freezes after a few clicks. So I won't change from 2 to 3.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: xbenchman on 2002-11-15 22:38:56
tried 2.72 - took over all my file extensions without asking - a no no in my book.  at least give the installer (installee) the option as to what file types to associate.  i had to re-associated the file extensions so that the ati player would play them.

found coolplayer and liked it.
really like 1by1 from m pesch (sp) the same author of mp3directcut (use it allot).  have stuck with it ever since.  no associations - no registry entries.  just goto the folder and play.
no visuals just good sound.  what i wanted in a player.  footprint - don' know.  it didn't take over.
no flames - you asked.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Peter on 2002-11-15 22:43:13
well, the installer does ask about associating with files and CDA; if you can't read or just keep clicking "next", that's your problem, keep it to yourself. same about registry entries mostly (only recent plugins write to registry, to avoid problems with unicode in winamp.ini and winamp.ini max size limit). i'm really amazed by amount of false information about Winamp people (mostly coolplayer "fans") post.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: xbenchman on 2002-11-15 22:51:22
zZzZzZz

pretty harsh - that will help with getting people to use your product.  i never said i was perfect...and sometimes i do make mistakes.  i guess doing this pole was another one of them.  troll - no just trying to learn.  sorry if i offended you.  i meant no harm.  i just came here to learn - not get pounded for making a mistake
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Peter on 2002-11-15 22:59:01
i personally don't give rat's ass about which player you use. but please, if you came here to tell why some player is "better" for particular purpose than Winamp, at least come with valid info about it, thank you.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ProtectYaNeck36 on 2002-11-15 23:12:57
i use 2.81.  its not that im opposed to using 3, its just that 2.81 does what when i want.  its highly configurable and hardly touches my system resources.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Andavari on 2002-11-16 04:45:16
I won't be switching to WA3 and will still continue to use WA2 even "if," or "when?" I upgrade to Win2K or WinXP.

WA3 is nice looking but the functionality is totally alien to me. The new way the playlist works alone was enough to turn me completely off, it just wasn't the friendly ugly duckling I've come to love over the past two years. It's too resource hungry on Win98, and loads just as slow as Micro$oft WMP on Win98 even though the site states it (officially) supports Win98.

I think anyone using Win98 who loads the player will quickly realize that their OS is just too old, and too M$-DOS'd down to effeciently run WA3, or any modern media player for that matter. Just my thoughts.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Demodave on 2002-11-16 05:20:45
I have used and loved WA2, but lost the love when WA3 came out.  I was going to go back to WA2 when I came across a suggestion for QCD in the Nullsoft Forums.  I am very happy with this prog!  It rocks!

QCD Homepage (http://www.quinnware.com/news.html)

It is fully skinnable.  In fact, I am using the Quinnamp skin that makes it look almost identical to Winamp.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ak on 2002-11-17 23:21:21
The only thing that prevents me from using wa3 more frequently is the way the playlist editor works. I find it pretty annoying that dblclicked track automatically creates new playlist. Besides if loading multiple m3u's, they're not being displayed after Winamp restart (if they've never been played).

What would be really nice to have is a more customizable playlist loading (automatic name generation, scan and update features... albumlist-like in other words ). It's not that optimal after loading a bunch of m3u's to rename every single playlist manually.

Media library could be an option for organizing, though I don't need all those sorting and searching capabilities, just handling of already (externally) created playlists.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Bylie on 2002-11-18 00:42:49
I feel like I'm the only one here liking wA3 , when I did my last fresh install I decided to not install WA2 and give 3 a try.
Well I haven't regretted it. Ok it loads a bit longer but hey you only start a program once don't you?
Mysteriously enough I happen to find my way around WA3 with quite ease.
The only bad thing it has is that the mpcplugin cannot edit tags , this is a fault of WA3 if I understood correctly.  Let's hope they fix it soon so this little trouble is also gone.
WA3 also runs even stabler over here! Sometimes when I played mpcfiles with WA2 the playback would stop for no reason at all only to begin again after I hit stop and play again, I haven't had this behavior at all with WA3.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: layer3maniac on 2002-11-18 02:02:04
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you see, winamp is intended to play music

It plays music? I thought it was just intended to install AOL icons...
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: frozenspeed on 2002-11-18 02:18:34
Maybe I'm missing something but I liked in winamp2 how one could see the total time of the playlist @ the bottom of the playlist editor.  Can we still do this- I can't figure out for the life of me how to do this in winamp3.  Any suggestions ?

-Jeff
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: smok3 on 2002-11-18 02:54:38
from winamp3 faq:
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Does Winamp3 sound better than Winamp 2.x?

To be honest, nothing has been proven. So, we're not sure...yet. Thankfully, it definitely doesn't sound worse.  

1. is there a reason to use wa3 soundquality wise?
2. is there a tool to make skining easier? (i dont feel like coding)
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Sawg on 2002-11-18 03:15:42
layer3maniac: 3.0b actually doesn't install that AOL on Desktop crap anymore.  Still not bad that AOL is only making them do that.


frozenspeed: Next release.  (Or try 491 if you are daring).


smok3:
1) Same decoders, same outputs, same EQ backend.  it *should* be exactly the same.  Any variation could be due to different output settings (waveOut vs DirectSound and Sound Card driver crap)

2) There have been a few, but nothing really that developed.  There are some stuff in the stickies in the Winamp3 Skinning and Scripting forum (http://forums.winamp.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=123)
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: bacardi_princess on 2002-11-30 20:28:48
I have the new 2.81, and I love it.
I tried Winamp 3, but quite simply hated it. Too many options, too many things it doesn't need to do.
I had 2.78 before this, but it didn't like XP... so I went from that to one of the 1.X Winamps for a bit. An antique, but interesting to say the lest! Geez we are pampered with all these other versions! lol
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Zond on 2002-12-08 11:06:00
Still using 2.81 Winamp, it's fast and it's all you need 
I tried Wa3 and it is really slow, buggy, and this new skining arch doesn't impress me 2 much. 
Winamp 2.x for life! 
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: mmortal03 on 2002-12-08 11:40:40
I may try out WA3 again when they add ID3v2 tag editing to it...until then, i'm going to use WA2.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Zond on 2002-12-09 07:50:40
Another reason for using Winamp 2.81 
one word : "Milkdrop" 
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: floyd on 2002-12-09 07:53:31
Milkdrop does rock  Did some serious impressing of my friends at my last party ("what is that?" "where can I get that" "that is even cooler than the 3d0 colour game!")
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: sony666 on 2002-12-12 23:40:13
2.81 all the way.
Winamp 3 may need another year to become bug free
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: WEST on 2002-12-16 23:39:44
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Comments welcome.

Winamp is shit, my Creative MediaSource is much better
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: SacRat on 2002-12-17 20:22:43
No, thanks.
I'm a Winamp 2.X skinner and I like the way it works.
Other limitations for me:
Fat, heavy, unstable, no golabal hotkey plugin I like, hard to skin (well, I'm sure I could learn skinning it, but what for?).
Many famous Winamp 2.x skinners won't turn to WA3 too, so don't expect lots of nice interfaces.
I'm sure, Nullsoft won' be able to make a stable and fast release for at least one year (Winamp 2.X is still buggy a bit, some previous versions were almost impossible to use, as there were too many bugs)..
So, don't use this stuff... At least now
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Sphinx no. 4 on 2002-12-30 18:28:43
Probably not.

WA 2.xx works good enough for me since I'm just using it to listen to mp3's.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: macdaddy on 2002-12-30 18:34:26
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Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it's final?


no, but as soon as fb2k plays SHNs, I will likely abandon wa2.xx for good...
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: rohangc on 2003-01-24 18:28:12
 No Way
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: gazzyk1ns on 2003-01-26 19:50:23
Winamp 2.81 for me still. I don't always like saying it, but in this case, the old saying "If it ain't broken, don't try to fix it." is definitely true.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ckjnigel on 2003-01-26 20:02:58
After I last reformatted and reinstalled WinMe, I've not bothered with WinAmp 3. I still like CoolPlayer for the most common types of listening I do.  Honestly, foobar2000 seems one of the best reasons I've yet encountered for moving from the 98 kernel to Win2k (WinXP? -- NOT!).
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: OogeleyBoogeley on 2003-01-27 14:53:40
I'm still sticking to Winamp 2.xx, Winamp 3 is too slow on my old computer, and using Win98 doesn't help much.  Foobar2k is incredible, I use it, but there's something I use, like a firewall that causes it to malfunction.  Winamp 2.xx is the most stable, and best sounding player ive come in contact with!
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: David Nordin on 2003-01-27 14:57:00
never in an eternity!
Foobar does all I'd ever like and is better in most aspects aswell.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: ssamadhi97 on 2003-01-27 15:24:19
No. using WinAmp2 60% / fb2k 40% right now. I'll completely switch to fb2k very soon.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: RIV@NVX on 2003-01-27 16:42:12
Winamp3 - NO WAY... foobar2000 and Winamp2, soon I will switch to foobar2000 only soon (still need WA2 for some things). I just hope that zZzZzZz is working on new version, and that's why he hasn't updated anything for such a long time, and that he hasn't abandoned it for public and started developing for himself.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: Jan S. on 2003-01-27 16:55:04
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.....and that's why he hasn't updated anything for such a long time, and that he hasn't abandoned it for public and started developing for himself.

   

How often do you want releases???!
Do you know another program that is updated as often?
And yes: Peter is working on foobar as he always is.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: RIV@NVX on 2003-01-27 18:50:02
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.....and that's why he hasn't updated anything for such a long time, and that he hasn't abandoned it for public and started developing for himself.

   

How often do you want releases???!
Do you know another program that is updated as often?
And yes: Peter is working on foobar as he always is.

Well, I am completely OK with anything, but I got kind of used to the frequent updates  I am glad that he still works on it.
And, no, I don't know anyone who updates it so frequent.
Title: Will you switch from Winamp2 to Winamp3 now that it\'s final?
Post by: WavOX on 2003-03-25 16:53:58
I've switched to foobar2000 because org winamp SSRC's author, Peter, is now building foobar2000.
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