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Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: rjamorim on 26 November, 2005, 08:52:32 PM
Gabriel Bouvigne just commited LAME 3.97 beta 2 to the CVS repository.

Quoting him: "There are only a few changes compared to b1, so I think that we should be able to release 3.97 soon."

http://lame.sourceforge.net/ (http://lame.sourceforge.net/)

Binaries are available at RareWares (http://www.rarewares.org).
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: guruboolez on 26 November, 2005, 08:59:32 PM
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Binaries should be available at RareWares (http://www.rarewares.org) soon.
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Could someone wake up John33? 
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: rjamorim on 26 November, 2005, 09:04:25 PM
Here's a stop-gap compile for win32 until John compiles proper, ICL-optimized binaries:

http://www.rarewares.org/rja/Lame-Win32-3.97b2.zip (http://www.rarewares.org/rja/Lame-Win32-3.97b2.zip)
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: ysoya on 27 November, 2005, 12:06:50 AM
I noticed slight modification on V5 ATHaa sensitivity.
from presets.c (line 370, 388)

Lame 3.97b1
  V5 athaa_sensitivity = -16

Lame 3.97b2
  V5 athaa_sensitivity = -12
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: john33 on 27 November, 2005, 07:01:19 AM
The base compile is now at Rarewares MP3 page. The other compiles will follow. 

If I have understood communications on the lame-dev mailing list correctly, this beta may change a little later after Gabriel has backported some stuff from the CVS head (ie., the alpha).
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: kurtnoise on 27 November, 2005, 07:28:00 AM
AS switch has been reintroduced in the cli...good to know. 
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: jkml on 27 November, 2005, 07:45:37 AM
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The base compile is now at Rarewares MP3 page. The other compiles will follow. 

If I have understood communications on the lame-dev mailing list correctly, this beta may change a little later after Gabriel has backported some stuff from the CVS head (ie., the alpha).
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lameACM.acm of beta 2 is 181 KB while lameACM.acm of beta 1 is 269 KB.  Is the size difference normal?

Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: john33 on 27 November, 2005, 08:32:48 AM
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lameACM.acm of beta 2 is 181 KB while lameACM.acm of beta 1 is 269 KB.  Is the size difference normal?


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The difference is due to the b2 ACM compile being an MSVC6 one rather than the ICL9.0 of b1. It seemed from the lame mailing lists that people were having difficulties with the ICL compile so I thought it was worth trying a standard VC6 version.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: 5paz on 27 November, 2005, 07:14:08 PM
Hi,
Is there a apt-key signature key for your debian RareWare repositories. I'm using sid and I can just use --allow-unauthenticated with apt-get but I like to use aptitude and it just looks ugly  with all those U's splattered all over the place.
thanks
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: jamesbaud on 27 November, 2005, 10:25:02 PM
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The base compile is now at Rarewares MP3 page. The other compiles will follow. 

If I have understood communications on the lame-dev mailing list correctly, this beta may change a little later after Gabriel has backported some stuff from the CVS head (ie., the alpha).
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Looking forward to the version with the INI setup. 
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: frodoontop on 28 November, 2005, 04:34:32 AM
Another step towards a stable new lame version  I'm looking forward to that, since all linux distributions will update lame too.

I know, I could compile it myself, but since I'm rather lazy...
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: john33 on 28 November, 2005, 05:12:18 AM
I will post a 'final' beta, plus derivative compiles, once the beta 2 version is announced at Sourceforge. Only then can we be sure that we have the full beta 2 release.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: jaybeee on 28 November, 2005, 07:13:54 AM
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Quoting him: "There are only a few changes compared to b1, so I think that we should be able to release 3.97 soon."[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=345429"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

I think it's always useful to detail the changes made for any software update.
I'm sure it's detailed in the lame cvs (somewhere), but since you went to the effort to tell us about the update, it would've been nice to have stated the changes made in the same post.  Or maybe Gabriel could/should do that?
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Digga on 28 November, 2005, 07:26:38 AM
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I think it's always useful to detail the changes made for any software update.
I'm sure it's detailed in the lame cvs (somewhere), but since you went to the effort to tell us about the update, it would've been nice to have stated the changes made in the same post.  Or maybe Gabriel could/should do that?
I guess Roberto also doesn't know what the changes are (yet), otherwise he probably would have written them down.
I'll glady see a newsflash with just some notes or brief descriptions rather than no news at all as far as I am concerned 
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: jaybeee on 28 November, 2005, 07:32:34 AM
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I'll glady see a newsflash with just some notes or brief descriptions rather than no news at all as far as I am concerned 
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Agree, and I'm not saying we shouldn't have had any update.  Thanks to Roberto for posting.  Just a prompt really for someone to update it with the changes that's all 
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Alex B on 28 November, 2005, 07:36:38 AM
From another thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=37989):

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@halb27:
You may find the information here of intrest to you:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*che...y.html?rev=HEAD (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/lame/lame/doc/html/history.html?rev=HEAD)

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LAME 3.97 beta 2   November 26 2005

    * Gabriel Bouvigne:
          o Fixed an initialization error when input is not using a standard sampling frequency
          o Fixed a possible assertion failure in very low bitrate encoding
          o Slight change regarding ATH adjustment with V5
          o Reinstated bit reservoir for 320kbps CBR
          o ReplayGain analysis should now be faster when encountering silent parts
    * Takehiro Tominaga:
          o Fixed a possible link problem of assembly code
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Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: halb27 on 28 November, 2005, 08:12:56 AM
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@halb27:  .... Reinstated bit reservoir for 320kbps CBR   ...
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Thank you, grreat news.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: burnett_s on 28 November, 2005, 09:28:15 AM
Since LAME 3.97 beta 2 is out, should we use it instead of LAME 3.97 beta 1 or not yet ?

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LAME 3.97 beta 2   November 26 2005
Gabriel Bouvigne:
- Fixed an initialization error when input is not using a standard sampling frequency
- Fixed a possible assertion failure in very low bitrate encoding
- Slight change regarding ATH adjustment with V5
- Reinstated bit reservoir for 320kbps CBR
Takehiro Tominaga:
- Fixed a possible link problem of assembly code


Gr.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: ChiGung on 28 November, 2005, 09:45:51 AM
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@halb27:  .... Reinstated bit reservoir for 320kbps CBR   ...
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Thank you, grreat news.
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Congratulations Halb! and +Respect to Gabriel for hacking it out with you and taking it onboard 
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: user on 28 November, 2005, 09:48:43 AM
I suggest to change the recommnded settings topic & recommnded compiles topic, to recommend now 3.97b2 inseatd of 3.97b1.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Echizen on 28 November, 2005, 10:04:18 AM
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I suggest to change the recommnded settings topic & recommnded compiles topic, to recommend now 3.97b2 inseatd of 3.97b1.
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Yes, we should do that.


[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'](User: Please answer to my PMs next time.)[/span]
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: user on 28 November, 2005, 10:39:13 AM
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[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'](User: Please answer to my PMs next time.)[/span]
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[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']Sorry, I answered, when there was time. Unfortunately, we aren't paid for HA-work  Changes from various persons were suggested, so I decided to watch the daily or even hourly proposed changes. Now it has settled down a bit, and I have time again for the moment to work on mp3, but the topic is closed and i cannot edit. If the topic is opened for edition of the lame 3.97b2, I will look for incorporation of layout/wording changes, also.[/span]
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: CiTay on 28 November, 2005, 11:46:16 AM
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If the topic is opened for edition of the lame 3.97b2, I will look for incorporation of layout/wording changes, also.
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Okay, opened. Please take note of the changes you make so it can be edited in the Wiki as well.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Synaptic Line Noise on 28 November, 2005, 12:14:36 PM
          o ReplayGain analysis should now be faster when encountering silent parts

Maybe related, but awhile ago I created a silent sound file in soundforge and encoded it with: mppenc, LAME, and Nero AAC.
I noticed that LAME took approximately 7x longer to encode pure silence than the others. I thought it was a little strange.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: CiTay on 28 November, 2005, 02:09:38 PM
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          o ReplayGain analysis should now be faster when encountering silent parts

Maybe related, but awhile ago I created a silent sound file in soundforge and encoded it with: mppenc, LAME, and Nero AAC.
I noticed that LAME took approximately 7x longer to encode pure silence than the others. I thought it was a little strange.
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Hehe, maybe it's those denormals again?
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: xmixahlx on 28 November, 2005, 04:41:26 PM
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Hi,
Is there a apt-key signature key for your debian RareWare repositories. I'm using sid and I can just use --allow-unauthenticated with apt-get but I like to use aptitude and it just looks ugly   with all those U's splattered all over the place.
thanks
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no. i don't develop/package with a key yet (so, none is available for the repo).  It isn't a high priority, either.

(...oh, i'll get to 3.97b2 when i get home from work, btw)


later
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Madrigal on 29 November, 2005, 09:34:19 AM
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I will post a 'final' beta, plus derivative compiles, once the beta 2 version is announced at Sourceforge. Only then can we be sure that we have the full beta 2 release.
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It's unclear to me, has this been done now ?

EDIT: I'm not quite sure how to go about checking for announcement of the beta 2 version at Sourceforge, is there a link ?

Regards,
Madrigal
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: john33 on 29 November, 2005, 09:49:31 AM
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I will post a 'final' beta, plus derivative compiles, once the beta 2 version is announced at Sourceforge. Only then can we be sure that we have the full beta 2 release.
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It's unclear to me, has this been done now ?

EDIT: I'm not quite sure how to go about checking for announcement of the beta 2 version at Sourceforge, is there a link ?

Regards,
Madrigal
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All the beta 2 compiles now at Rarewares are the final beta 2 versions.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Madrigal on 29 November, 2005, 09:54:06 AM
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All the beta 2 compiles now at Rarewares are the final beta 2 versions.
Thank you. 

Regards,
Madrigal
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Synthetic Soul on 29 November, 2005, 10:10:05 AM
Thanks John.

NB: lamedropXPd says it is using beta 1.  Edit: On Encoding Options dialogue.

I like the spinning LAME logo.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: john33 on 29 November, 2005, 11:10:21 AM
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Thanks John.

NB: lamedropXPd says it is using beta 1.  Edit: On Encoding Options dialogue.

Oh b*gg*r!! OK, I've fixed that and uploaded again. It was only the narrative, it was using the correct libs. BTW, thanks for letting me know. 
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I like the spinning LAME logo.
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Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: DARcode on 29 November, 2005, 12:45:55 PM
Thanks a bunch, john33! Appreciated.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: jamesbaud on 29 November, 2005, 05:01:59 PM
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Thanks a bunch, john33! Appreciated.
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Same here! Thx to the LAME devs also!
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: indybrett on 29 November, 2005, 07:21:13 PM
...and I just finished encoding 11,000+ songs with B1, lol.  Glad I have them all FLAC'd.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: ChiGung on 29 November, 2005, 08:40:51 PM
note: Theres only a point in re-encoding if they're at preset fast medium or i (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fourwinds/tempx/insane.mp3)nsane. Not an urgent need to do so even if so.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: indybrett on 29 November, 2005, 08:42:47 PM
-V 2 --vbr-new -Y

That's what I use, so I probably won't re-encode for awhile ;-)
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: jaybeee on 30 November, 2005, 09:20:33 AM
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i (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fourwinds/tempx/insane.mp3)nsane. [a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=346434"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

te he - now that's a sneaky little link in the 'i' isn't it
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Analog on 30 November, 2005, 10:58:23 AM
lamedropXPd writes comment field: Encoded using LAME-3.97b1 in tag.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Vivadavid on 30 November, 2005, 11:13:45 AM
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-V 2 --vbr-new -Y

That's what I use, so I probably won't re-encode for awhile ;-)
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Sorry, but what is -Y for?
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: indybrett on 30 November, 2005, 11:17:29 AM
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-V 2 --vbr-new -Y

That's what I use, so I probably won't re-encode for awhile ;-)
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Sorry, but what is -Y for?
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Disables SFB21, so nothing above 16khz is encoded.  Personal preference, because I can't hear that high anyway, and it reduces filesize.

Edit:  yes, i know about preset medium 
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: ChiGung on 30 November, 2005, 11:43:43 AM
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te he - now that's a sneaky little link in the 'i' isn't it

  -must be a bug in the forum software hawkeye...
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: john33 on 30 November, 2005, 12:25:19 PM
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lamedropXPd writes comment field: Encoded using LAME-3.97b1 in tag.
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And, again - b*gg*r!! I think I'll simply remove that tag - it's not exactly necessary. Thanks for the notification.  I'll upload again a little later.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: BinaryTB on 03 December, 2005, 03:14:56 AM
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lame.exe fixed for .mp2 and mp3 decoding: lame.exe only (ICL4.5). For mp3 and mp2 decoding, this now yields the same output as foobar2000 but the error checking remains unchanged.
2005-11-29

That's for 3.97b2.  3.97b1 had a fixed exe as well from what I remember and 3.96.1.

Why have a fixed exe for decoding separately for each version?  Can't the fixes be included in the regular versions?
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: john33 on 03 December, 2005, 05:05:19 AM
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lame.exe fixed for .mp2 and mp3 decoding: lame.exe only (ICL4.5). For mp3 and mp2 decoding, this now yields the same output as foobar2000 but the error checking remains unchanged.
2005-11-29

That's for 3.97b2.  3.97b1 had a fixed exe as well from what I remember and 3.96.1.

Why have a fixed exe for decoding separately for each version?  Can't the fixes be included in the regular versions?
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The necessary changes have now been merged into the latest 3.98alpha so there will be no more 'fixed' versions after the 3.97 ones.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Alex B on 05 December, 2005, 09:56:24 AM
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          o ReplayGain analysis should now be faster when encountering silent parts

Maybe related, but awhile ago I created a silent sound file in soundforge and encoded it with: mppenc, LAME, and Nero AAC.
I noticed that LAME took approximately 7x longer to encode pure silence than the others. I thought it was a little strange.[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=346012")

This has obviously changed. Analyzing silent parts is much faster now. I tested the behavior in this thread: [a href="http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=39198]http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=39198[/url].
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Alex B on 05 December, 2005, 10:08:34 AM
I just noticed this.

"Your file doesn't exist, or you didn't select one."

The Win32 and LameDrop XPd download links at the recommended LAME compiles Wiki page are broken:

List of recommended LAME compiles (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=28123)

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lame_Compiles (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lame_Compiles)
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: huh-hah on 07 December, 2005, 05:27:31 AM
3.98a2 (up at Rarewares); is it safe?
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: larswes on 07 December, 2005, 06:08:30 AM
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3.98a2 (up at Rarewares); is it safe?
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From [a href="http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=28125]This sticky thread:[/url]
Lame alphas are ONLY for testing. Do NOT use Lame alphas unless you want to test it and maybe provide feedback.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: huh-hah on 07 December, 2005, 06:53:29 AM
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From This sticky thread: (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=28125)
Lame alphas are ONLY for testing. Do NOT use Lame alphas unless you want to test it and maybe provide feedback.
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thanks. yes, i know it says that. i'm still curious if anyone has had any problems running it.
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: stephanV on 07 December, 2005, 06:56:24 AM
Maybe you can tell us your experiences in the meanwhile?
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: memomai on 07 December, 2005, 08:27:27 AM
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-V 2 --vbr-new -Y


I use the same parameter 


Isn't it time for a final release of 3.97 and to continue on 3.98a dev?
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: Madrigal on 07 December, 2005, 08:52:37 AM
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yes, i know it says that.
Then why are you questioning it?
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i'm still curious if anyone has had any problems running it.
Don't forget that you are the "anyone" that some other lazy person is looking to for answers.

Regards,
Madrigal
Title: LAME 3.97b2
Post by: larswes on 07 December, 2005, 10:45:16 AM
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thanks. yes, i know it says that. i'm still curious if anyone has had any problems running it.
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I'm pretty sure it's no problem running it, otherwise Rarewares would not upload. But you can't be sure about quality of encoded mp3's from this alpha, that's the risk with alphas. [a href="http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=39409]Here[/url] is a HA thread about Lame 3.98 alpha testing.