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Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: JohnV on 2003-09-22 19:54:14
After numerous betas and RCs Foobar2000 0.7 Final is out:
http://www.foobar2000.org/ (http://www.foobar2000.org/)

Changelog (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5064) is currently a bit out-of-date, but hopefully an up-to-date changelog will appear soon.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: NumLOCK on 2003-09-22 19:58:44
Excellent !

By the way :

Code: [Select]
System requirements:
OS:
Windows 9X version - runs on Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME
Windows NT version - runs on Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000 and Windows XP

   * note: You can run Windows 9x version on a Windows NT based OS, but unicode-related features will not function properly
   * note: Very old versions of Windows 95 or NT 4.0 may need msvcrt.dll to be additionally installed

CPU:
200 MHz, AMD K5 or Pentium or equivalent (500MHz Athlon or Pentium III recommended)
RAM:
32 MB
Display:
800x600 resolution

A soundcard isn't mentioned ! 
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: rpop on 2003-09-22 19:59:03
[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']It's Foobar2000 btw[/span]

Fixed now 
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Jens Rex on 2003-09-22 20:01:15
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Changelog (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5064) is currently a bit out-of-date, but hopefully an up-to-date changelog will appear soon.

~30% speed gain on MP3 decoding (w00t) B). Foobar2000 now has the fastest MP3 decoder of any program, as far as I know.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: nyarlathotep on 2003-09-22 20:22:42
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[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']It's Foobar2000 btw[/span]

Fixed now 

No, it's foobar2000.

Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: billcow on 2003-09-22 20:59:23
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A soundcard isn't mentioned !


Nope. That's 'cause you don't have to actually be capable of hearing the music to be able to play it.

Notice it also does not require "speakers", "non-deafness" or even "ears". Of course it's kinda worthless without both of the last two, and it's worthless without the first one (unless they simply happen not to be on your computer.

*Whew*. I sucked the fun right slap out of that joke.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: rpop on 2003-09-22 21:01:08
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No, it's foobar2000.


Heh. I thought of that, but considering it's the first word of the thread's title, it should be capitalized following the rules of proper English.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AtaqueEG on 2003-09-22 21:51:30
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...following the rules of proper English.

Since when is "foobar" proper english? 
Certainly not on my Webster dictionary! 
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: dylman on 2003-09-22 23:24:54
Thank you Peter for all your hard work.

Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Diablo on 2003-09-23 13:11:33
for me it's the best player, for my friends- they can't understand how can I use it
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: sld on 2003-09-23 14:06:57
Thanks Peter, for bearing with all of us nitpicking users... now 0.7 is much improved, more intuitive in userability than 0.6.
Now we can all sit back and enjoy our music with 0.7 for about 1 or 2 months, before some people start asking for 0.8 development  .
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Linkin on 2003-09-23 14:16:08
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for me it's the best player, for my friends- they can't understand how can I use it

same problem here 
i don't understand why people prefer winamp before fb2k...one of my friends says he doesn't want to listen to music with a texteditor    though he has it minimized all the time and would use fb2k's advanced playlist functions...
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: sld on 2003-09-23 14:34:41
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...one of my friends says he doesn't want to listen to music with a texteditor...

You probably have to customise FB's looks for him, before you let him use it . As a matter of fact, people are wary of things that look commandline-ish.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: JeanLuc on 2003-09-23 15:06:21
I will give it a try ...
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Dalkus on 2003-09-23 15:13:12
hmm... sqeeze me for asking this, *cough* but I can't figure out how to decode mp3's (or other formats) into wav's with the new version! In 0.667 you just right clicked on the track and then cornvert -> run conversion. Now where is that feature hidden?

Don't flame my ass or cut me up for asking this! Heh he.. I have been looking around for the answer but can't find anything that would point me in the right direction. Maybe I'm just a dumb ass... Anyway, please just tell me how to do it, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Emanuel on 2003-09-23 15:17:44
Oh, I'd love a Linux port of this wonderful piece of software wich has been significantly more easy to control in 0.7! But I guess that's not gonna happen? (And no, I don't prefer running it under Wine  )
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Diablo on 2003-09-23 15:36:04
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I will give it a try ...

I've tried, no luck , but anyway I'm happy, that my 3(!) friends like foobar2000 
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: cbope on 2003-09-23 15:40:51
Dalkus

Hmm... not sure, but my version has the "run conversion" available when right-clicking files in the playlist. I installed using Case's "special" installer, so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. I also have his CLI encoder and Ogg encoder installed. Try installing using his installer, if that doesn't work, try adding the CLI encoder.

Do you have a Diskwriter component in the Prefs window?

EDIT: should have said: "convert -> run conversion" in the popup...
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: phwip on 2003-09-23 15:55:13
You shouldn't need Case's installer to have the diskwriter installed.

However, if you use the standard installers from the foobar2000 downloads page then you will need the "Normal installer" as the "Lite installer" doesn't include this component.

Also, if you use the Normal installer and then select Minimum install then you will not get this component.

If the diskwriter component is installed then it is possible that you have don't have the relevant context menu item enabled.  Go to Preferences, Core, Context Menu Items to change this.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Dalkus on 2003-09-23 16:04:53
thanx guys, I'll look into it a bit more
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: askoff on 2003-09-23 17:24:32
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for me it's the best player, for my friends- they can't understand how can I use it

same problem here 
i don't understand why people prefer winamp before fb2k...one of my friends says he doesn't want to listen to music with a texteditor    though he has it minimized all the time and would use fb2k's advanced playlist functions...

Maybay it's becaus they haven't try it. Or they are just Winamp forever doodz...
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: sthayashi on 2003-09-23 17:44:45
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same problem here 
i don't understand why people prefer winamp before fb2k...one of my friends says he doesn't want to listen to music with a texteditor  though he has it minimized all the time and would use fb2k's advanced playlist functions...

When you download it, it just seems unimpressive.  It really does look like notepad with stuff (I thought it was even worse with the ASCII buttons, like # for stop and II for pause).

It wasn't until someone mentioned that you could configure the appearence before I took another look at fb2k. Using a variant of upNorth's code from the Foobar formatting thread, I got foobar setup in a way that a lot of people who look at it say "Wow...." when most would say "ewww..." at the default formatting.

I don't know how Peter feels about it (since he seems like a "don't like it? don't use it" kinda guy), but having a more elegant default format might attract more users.  I know that the new buttons certainly make it much better looking now than they did in the past.

My fiance likes it a lot better, especially since I only keep fb2k on our HTPC
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AngelGR on 2003-09-23 18:19:41
There're at least two good ways for customize foobar2000, keeping the main window as playlist (because it's the best playlist that we can have  ):

http://www.foobarlooks.tk (http://www.foobarlooks.tk)

http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/fb2k/index.php (http://pelit.koillismaa.fi/fb2k/index.php)
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Case on 2003-09-23 18:46:00
"Case's special" is now also available on official page, details about contents and download link here (http://www.foobar2000.org/download.html#special).
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Bluenote on 2003-09-23 19:38:49
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one of my friends says he doesn't want to listen to music with a texteditor

I think your friend has hit the nail on the proverbial head there!
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: sony666 on 2003-09-24 02:53:54
excellent indeed
I love the new toolbar with seekbar and real (non-ASCII) icons. Thanks
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: lexor on 2003-09-24 03:10:33
is there a way to change width of colums inside the tab in the "new" look? and if there is will it remember width per tab, or all tabs have columts same width?
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Chun-Yu on 2003-09-24 03:13:27
I think you just have to play with the formatting string - I just use a really simple formatting string so I'm not exactly sure what to change .
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: mdmuir on 2003-09-24 03:53:06
It looks and plays great!  When can we expect to start seeing more plugins for it for additional format playback? (Shorten, LA, WMA etc) The posted plugins are still for version 6x for the most part.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: neoufo51 on 2003-09-24 07:12:40
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It looks and plays great!  When can we expect to start seeing more plugins for it for additional format playback? (Shorten, LA, WMA etc) The posted plugins are still for version 6x for the most part.

Uh, get the big installer here.

http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/html/foobar.html (http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/html/foobar.html)

It has plugins for both Shorten and WMA. I dunno what LA is, Liquid Audio?

Check the forums next time, thats where u can find the latest plugins.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Dibrom on 2003-09-24 07:37:15
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I dunno what LA is, Liquid Audio?

Lossless Audio (http://www.lossless-audio.com/)
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: ScorLibran on 2003-09-24 08:27:04
I had to rub my eyes to make sure I read this correctly...

Included general components:
...
...
Audio CD writer
ID3v2 tag support
APL support
freedb masstagger

 

Is this the first fb2k build with ID3v2 support?  I was always under the impression that Peter would never support this tag format unless it resolved some serious standardization issues (which I haven't seen news of).

Anyway, I'm back to trying to pry my addiction away from Winamp and get on the foobar bus with everyone else.  There are so many of my activities I could "integrate" with this tool (player, encoder frontend, ABX tool, tone generator, playlist manager, etc.)

The first capability I don't know about yet with fb2k that I need to research is visualizations.  Only for parties, that is...I don't sit around alone in the dark staring at lightshows...really...I mean it... 
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: thijs@rdb on 2003-09-24 09:27:36
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excellent indeed
I love the new toolbar with seekbar and real (non-ASCII) icons. Thanks

could not agree more. thank you very much for all the effort.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: sld on 2003-09-24 13:12:45
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I had to rub my eyes to make sure I read this correctly...

Included general components:
...
...
Audio CD writer
ID3v2 tag support
APL support
freedb masstagger

 

Is this the first fb2k build with ID3v2 support?

It has been there since a few RCs ago. But yes, 0.7 is the first build with full ID3v2 support I think.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: sPeziFisH on 2003-09-24 13:33:26
Whow, excellent build Peter *handing out the golden cup*

@lexor:
$tab(...) - ... gives you the length of the space between the colums -you can set it to zero or delete the $tab and insert some whitespaces (as much as you need) in the colums-content.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: askoff on 2003-09-24 14:25:32
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I had to rub my eyes to make sure I read this correctly...

Included general components:
...
...
Audio CD writer
ID3v2 tag support
APL support
freedb masstagger

 

Is this the first fb2k build with ID3v2 support?

It has been there since a few RCs ago. But yes, 0.7 is the first build with full ID3v2 support I think.

No. I heard that it's just a plug-in and you can't use IDv1 and APEv2 tags with it. So Replaygain info cant be included to files. So it is sugested to stay with APEv2 tags and perhaps IDv1 also. Correct if i'm wrong.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: ExUser on 2003-09-24 16:17:04
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My fiance likes it a lot better, especially since I only keep fb2k on our HTPC

I've found that most people, more specifically, newbies, tend to prefer the simple Win32 interface of fb2k. The people who knock fb2k's gui tend to be people who think it's not cool for applications to adhere to standards, or want the same boring media player core with some "new, interesting" skinning function that only ever really works partially, or is slow when it does work.

As for me, bah, I love that it uses Win32/MFC. Works with my themes without having to match using a skin, beautifully customizable, excellently developed...
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Peter on 2003-09-24 16:39:09
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As for me, bah, I love that it uses Win32/MFC. Works with my themes without having to match using a skin, beautifully customizable, excellently developed...

That is blasphemy what you've just said.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Chun-Yu on 2003-09-24 16:46:04
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As for me, bah, I love that it uses Win32/MFC. Works with my themes without having to match using a skin, beautifully customizable, excellently developed...

Really?  I heard it uses .NET Forms and Java Swing too.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: mdmuir on 2003-09-25 02:19:56
Thanks to pointing me to the "full" full installer!!!  Don't know how I missed it the first time. Listening to some etree shorten files right now. So does Peter have a paypal account where we can make a contribution?
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: The_Cisco_Kid on 2003-09-25 02:37:53
might give this new-fangled UI with the seekbar a try, but I still love the simple look of 0.6x and earlier and may very well stay with that. The eyecandy GUI (constant seekbar, visual buttons to press, etc) in winamp is one of the things that turns me off  about it.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AgentMil on 2003-09-25 02:42:30
Thanks to all the developer/s of foobar2000!

All I can say I like conveniences and thats what foobar 0.7 provides...

Laters

AgentMil
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: ExUser on 2003-09-25 03:50:06
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That is blasphemy what you've just said.

No MFC? Sorry, then... *cringes* I made a bad assumption. Bad Canar... *hides*
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: eltoder on 2003-09-25 06:59:40
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No. I heard that it's just a plug-in and you can't use IDv1 and APEv2 tags with it. So Replaygain info cant be included to files. So it is sugested to stay with APEv2 tags and perhaps IDv1 also. Correct if i'm wrong.

Does this mean, that I no longer have a "delete ID3v2" function? 
It was my favourite one.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: magic75 on 2003-09-25 08:20:54
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No. I heard that it's just a plug-in and you can't use IDv1 and APEv2 tags with it. So Replaygain info cant be included to files. So it is sugested to stay with APEv2 tags and perhaps IDv1 also. Correct if i'm wrong.

Does this mean, that I no longer have a "delete ID3v2" function? 
It was my favourite one.

No, it's still there. Just checked. As askoff says its just a plugin and it is only included in the special installer.

EDIT: xxxxxxxxxx

EDIT2: Removed faulty comment.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Peter on 2003-09-25 11:46:53
It's amazing how many people fail to notice "other supported types will be stripped from file" message above tag type dropdown list. Perhaps you should actually read what's written on standard inputs preferences page before spreading misinformation about id3v2 remover "not working" with full setup.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AgentMil on 2003-09-25 13:56:24
Heh thats why I said foobar2000 has little conveniences here and there that makes dealing with audio files a breeze... you just gotta look and read carefully thats all

Regards
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AtaqueEG on 2003-09-26 01:11:14
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might give this new-fangled UI with the seekbar a try, but I still love the simple look of 0.6x and earlier and may very well stay with that. The eyecandy GUI (constant seekbar, visual buttons to press, etc) in winamp is one of the things that turns me off  about it.

You can get rid of it if you don't like it.
But, have you actually looked at the new foobar2000 GUI?
It looks nothing like Winamp! 
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: p0wder on 2003-09-26 01:24:13
I got mine set up with upNorth's format string and it officially kicks ass.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: saratoga on 2003-09-26 03:42:03
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Is this the first fb2k build with ID3v2 support? I was always under the impression that Peter would never support this tag format unless it resolved some serious standardization issues (which I haven't seen news of).


I was using Kode's ID3 plugin with the later version of .5 IIRC.  .7 is the first that included writeing info to it though.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: Audible! on 2003-09-26 03:56:20
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You can get rid of it if you don't like it.
But, have you actually looked at the new foobar2000 GUI?
It looks nothing like Winamp!


  You're absolutely right, it looks nothing at all like winamp, though the new 'stock' GUI is a substantial improvement IMO, and I run it with the transparency at 50%! 
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: The_Cisco_Kid on 2003-09-26 05:05:51
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might give this new-fangled UI with the seekbar a try, but I still love the simple look of 0.6x and earlier and may very well stay with that. The eyecandy GUI (constant seekbar, visual buttons to press, etc) in winamp is one of the things that turns me off  about it.

You can get rid of it if you don't like it.
But, have you actually looked at the new foobar2000 GUI?
It looks nothing like Winamp! 

main reason I have not tried it yet is that I do not want any kind of buttons or seekbar on the screen at all. I use nothing but keyboard shortcuts as they are much faster for me than moving the mouse and do not want to see a seekbar unless I am using it at that particular moment - the STFU plugin style with an appropriate key assigned has worked fine for me so far.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AtaqueEG on 2003-09-26 05:16:28
    
Did you read my post at all?
You can disable the buttons, the visualization AND the seekbar!!!

Move your pointer over the seekbar, or the buttons, or the vis and right click. There, select anything you want.
But anyway, if you don't want to try it, it is your choice.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: gnoshi on 2003-09-26 05:19:19
you could..... turn them off?

Personally, I just keep it in my system tray all the time and use hotkeys (unless I want to scroll through the song or change playlist, in which case I open the main window).

The only thing it puts on my screen is the rest of the time is the track title on change of song, and that is just because I have an OSD plugin.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: The_Cisco_Kid on 2003-09-26 06:34:39
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Did you read my post at all?
You can disable the buttons, the visualization AND the seekbar!!!

Move your pointer over the seekbar, or the buttons, or the vis and right click. There, select anything you want.
But anyway, if you don't want to try it, it is your choice.

thought I read your post, but obviously not enough
may give it a try one of these days, just stubborn I guess. Just upgraded to the 0.7 Beta/RC version in the past 2-3weeks as it is. But I am using the final release now.
edit: thought about it a bit and realised just how much I strongly prefer the the clean effecient "notepad" look after using it for the better part of a year
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: deeswift on 2003-09-26 07:52:52
So how do I change the UI in foobar2000? I wanna try this so I downloaded a couple of skins via the links in this thread and got .ski files, now I can't work out what to do with them.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: magic75 on 2003-09-26 08:38:21
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It's amazing how many people fail to notice "other supported types will be stripped from file" message above tag type dropdown list. Perhaps you should actually read what's written on standard inputs preferences page before spreading misinformation about id3v2 remover "not working" with full setup.

I can't see why there is a need for you to become angry. I was only trying to help out. Am I an idiot for not noticing that small note in the upper corner? Spreading mis-information has never been my intention, and I am truly sorry for doing so this time. I never wrote "not working" as you quote, all I said was that I noticed that the option was "grayed out". Nevertheless, I was wrong and I am sorry for that. I really don't mind being corrected, but I don't think I deserve to be treated as an idiot.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: sthayashi on 2003-09-26 13:48:16
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So how do I change the UI in foobar2000? I wanna try this so I downloaded a couple of skins via the links in this thread and got .ski files, now I can't work out what to do with them.

http://www.foobarlooks.tk (http://www.foobarlooks.tk)

That link needs to be made into a sticky.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AgentMil on 2003-09-26 14:31:18
Hmmm I cannot get foo_look to work on my system... it leads to foobar cannot load the foo_look.dll I have installed it into the component folder of foobar and extracted it with folder options enabled. Some please help me here... thanks

Regards

AgentMil

**EDIT**

Nevermind found out what was happening... thanks to anyone that was attempting to help me.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: deeswift on 2003-09-26 18:10:06
*EDIT*

Never mind! I was having the same problem as the above.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AngelGR on 2003-09-26 19:37:28
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might give this new-fangled UI with the seekbar a try, but I still love the simple look of 0.6x and earlier and may very well stay with that. The eyecandy GUI (constant seekbar, visual buttons to press, etc) in winamp is one of the things that turns me off  about it.

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You can disable the buttons, the visualization AND the seekbar!!!
Move your pointer over the seekbar, or the buttons, or the vis and right click. There, select anything you want.

And not only that. Do you want to use the 0.6x user interface? You can.
Search "Oldskool User Interface" here:
http://www.foobar2000.org/components.html (http://www.foobar2000.org/components.html)

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So how do I change the UI in foobar2000? I wanna try this so I downloaded a couple of skins via the links in this thread and got .ski files, now I can't work out what to do with them.

About foo_looks, read this post, please:
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....howtopic=13572& (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13572&)
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I cannot get foo_look to work on my system...

What OS are you using? foo_looks for v0.7 is still unicode only. So it doesn't work with Win9x yet.
Title: Foobar2000 0.7 is out!
Post by: AgentMil on 2003-09-27 01:34:55
Right so thats my problem Win9X... LoL and I though it would of worked. I installed GDI+ and then it loaded the component but when I go click on menu bars the program crashes with error codes. What gives with that? Cause my OS is sucky? LoL more than likely I think.

Regards

AgentMil
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