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Question: Would you like a music catagory in the forums?
Option 1: Yes votes: 363
Option 2: No votes: 192
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Dibrom on 2003-07-18 22:23:20
Like the topic says.  We're thinking of adding a few new forums to the site, and this is one of the ideas that has come up multiple times.  What do you guys think?  Obviously this would not be a trading community of any sort, it'd just be for discussion of music related issues that are normally outside the scope of other HA topics.  It seems that there have been an increasing number of these topics being made in the off-topic section to the point where they may warrant their own special forum even.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Cygnus X1 on 2003-07-18 22:26:58
Good idea, Dibrom.

Being that this is an audio website, everybody here seems to have a greater interest in music than most people I have met on the street. A forum would be a great way to discuss music in general, old and new bands, and would probably introduce people to new music that they hadn't previously heard of/considered listening to. I'm for it!
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: nyarlathotep on 2003-07-18 22:30:22
Yes, please. I'm one of the people who's asked there (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11239) for the creation of such a forum.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: DigitalMan on 2003-07-18 22:31:06
I voted "no."  As interesting as it may be I don't see a good fit with "Cross-Platform Cross-Format Psychoacoustic Audio Compression."  I don't think this is where I would go to talk about music - I may be proven wrong, but I don't want us to lose focus.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Dibrom on 2003-07-18 22:34:29
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I voted "no."  As interesting as it may be I don't see a good fit with "Cross-Platform Cross-Format Psychoacoustic Audio Compression."  I don't think this is where I would go to talk about music - I may be proven wrong, but I don't want us to lose focus.

I think HA moved beyond this a long time ago.  We already have forums for lossless compression and audio hardware for example.  Heck, this little slogan isn't even what we use on IRC anymore... it's only still at the top of the site because I haven't gotten anyone to make a new logo.  Other problems with the current logo are the seperate of the words Hydrogen and Audio.  Strictly speaking, it should be just Hydrogenaudio
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: F1Sushi on 2003-07-18 23:06:04
I think this one's a bit of a no-brainer. Besides the fact that we all share a common interest in music (and might possibly stand to gain from hearing about what others are listening to), it would be a great vehicle for spreading the word about HA through a more generic forum area more suited to the musical masses.

A fabulous idea, with obvious benefits to boot...

(w00t)
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: guruboolez on 2003-07-18 23:27:29
I've nothing against the idea, but for more readability, I'd prefer that no mention of the threads will appear on HA portal, even on Active Topic (shoud be selected on option). It should be a complete different forum. Otherwise, I'm a bit afraid about HA identity (and serious).
Keep in mind the first weeks when fb2k forum were launched : portal was flooded by tons of posts with no direct relation with audiocoding. I was bored by that... I don't really want to see it again.

No vote for me.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Dibrom on 2003-07-18 23:31:45
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I've nothing against the idea, but for more readability, I'd prefer that no mention of the threads will appear on HA portal, even on Active Topic (shoud be selected on option). It should be a complete different forum. Otherwise, I'm a bit afraid about HA identity (and serious).
Keep in mind the first weeks when fb2k forum were launched : portal was flooded by tons of posts with no direct relation with audiocoding. I was bored by that... I don't really want to see it again.

I was going to post about this, but forgot.  Of course it's pretty much a given that posts in this forum would be excluded from the active topics display.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: DigitalMan on 2003-07-18 23:56:19
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I think HA moved beyond this a long time ago.  We already have forums for lossless compression and audio hardware for example.  Heck, this little slogan isn't even what we use on IRC anymore... it's only still at the top of the site because I haven't gotten anyone to make a new logo.  Other problems with the current logo are the seperate of the words Hydrogen and Audio.  Strictly speaking, it should be just Hydrogenaudio

I understand your points.  The idea seems to be getting a lot of support and all good things need to evolve to thrive, so it wouldn't hurt to try it.  As long as the threads are separate like Foobar's then it would probably work pretty well.

Of course, the standards would have to be a little different - music taste is highly subjective.  Might be a good forum for undisciplined venting of opinion as opposed to the more rigorous audio forum.

[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']>Edit: added subjectivity comment.<[/span]
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: rpop on 2003-07-19 00:08:06
If you made such a forum, would you by chance need a new moderator?

(OT, what happened to your avatar Dibrom?)
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: ScorLibran on 2003-07-19 00:52:44
Being one of the people guilty of proliferating music-mania in the O/T forum, I obviously voted yes.  After all, as others here have said, it's music that brings us all together here.

guruboolez and DigitalMan make good points IMO about being careful to maintain the focus and readability of the site.  Though I've only been here a couple of weeks, this has become my favorite hangout on the internet, and I spend as much time in O/T talking music as in the main forums talking audio.

I'm glad HA has a focus which has expanded beyond psychoacoustic audio compression, but it's of course up to Dibrom to determine and maintain the "course" that HA takes, and however wide or narrow that course may be.

Then again, if it were up to me, I'd have a "Pink Floyd" forum, and another one for all other music.  Or maybe a PF trivia forum, a PF news forum, an alternate PF media (books/films/art) forum, and then one forum for all other music. 
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: bluewer than blue on 2003-07-19 01:14:23
A "Pink Floyd Underwear/Panties" forum would be nice as well   

I'm all for such a music forum, if that's gonna relieve O-T forum from such posts. Judging from related threads, many HA members have some really good/interesting taste in music.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Mac on 2003-07-19 01:18:06
A good idea to me

If the Music forum is included in the Off-Topic category, there shouldn't be problems with it obscuring the real heart of the forum's threads, whilst adding more of the 'lighter side' of music
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: /\/ephaestous on 2003-07-19 01:48:17
I agree with the idea.

I might add that some very strong rules must be thought for the music forum, even if it is in the Offtopic forum, because if you ever though software/codec evangelism was strong, bands/Genre evangelism is ten times worse.

For starters, something must be done to stop some of the ignorant metal ()specially numetal) fans, before the form is flooded with rants about bands.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Ardax on 2003-07-19 02:09:36
I also like the idea.  I mean, we're all (at least most of us) are here because we like listening to our music, right? 

I don't think that any more rules are necessary, but some heavy-handed, fast-acting moderation probably will be.  A good discussion could degenerate into a poo flinging holy war in 2 posts flat.

But I still think it sounds great.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: manusate on 2003-07-19 02:56:47
I voted yes, but I'm also afraid that this could be somewhat dangerous...

Anyway, I'm sure it's worth trying.


Enjoy!
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Differenciam on 2003-07-19 03:15:18
I think it's a great idea, so long as it went in the misc section so it wasn't something to attract people to the site. It's what the site is based on. If people are enthusiastic enough to participate here and get perfect quality for their songs, certainly they have something to say about the music.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: kotrtim on 2003-07-19 04:05:11
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I've nothing against the idea, but for more readability, I'd prefer that no mention of the threads will appear on HA portal, even on Active Topic (shoud be selected on option). It should be a complete different forum. Otherwise, I'm a bit afraid about HA identity (and serious).
Keep in mind the first weeks when fb2k forum were launched : portal was flooded by tons of posts with no direct relation with audiocoding. I was bored by that... I don't really want to see it again.

No vote for me.

agree... should it be listed in "hosted forums"???

Edit : Voted "yes"
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: /\/ephaestous on 2003-07-19 04:50:02
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I've nothing against the idea, but for more readability, I'd prefer that no mention of the threads will appear on HA portal, even on Active Topic (shoud be selected on option). It should be a complete different forum. Otherwise, I'm a bit afraid about HA identity (and serious).
Keep in mind the first weeks when fb2k forum were launched : portal was flooded by tons of posts with no direct relation with audiocoding. I was bored by that... I don't really want to see it again.

No vote for me.

agree... should it be listed in "hosted forums"???

Edit : Voted "yes" 

No, in the Misc Forum with Offtopic.

OT:

Isn't the plural of forum, fora and not forums?
being a non native english speaker, I may be
wrong, can anyone correct me, please..........
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: ScorLibran on 2003-07-19 05:08:16
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OT:

Isn't the plural of forum, fora and not forums?
being a non native english speaker, I may be
wrong, can anyone correct me, please..........

Both are correct.  Yourdictionary.com specifies the plural variants for "forum" as...

fo·rum  (fôr um)  n.  ...  pl. fo·rums, also fo·ra (fôr a)
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: tangent on 2003-07-19 07:43:03
/me looks at the "What are you currently listening to" thread
I assume posts in that music forum won't add to post count?
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: CyberInferno on 2003-07-19 07:50:36
I voted "no."  Personally, I come to this site for news/information regarding music quality, hardware, and formats.  I have other forums/sources to discuss music I like, but this is the only site I come to in order to learn more about how to truly appreciate the music.  But as long as the discussions stay out of the active topics, adding to the forums wouldn't detract from the experience of those uninterested, and I would continue visiting regularly.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: YinYang on 2003-07-19 10:40:30
Music forum? Yes please.

Might subforums with main genres be an idea? (Blues, Jazz, Rock, Newage/Ambient/Entertainment, Techno/Industrial, Classical)
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Dibrom on 2003-07-19 11:07:29
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Might subforums with main genres be an idea? (Blues, Jazz, Rock, Newage/Ambient/Entertainment, Techno/Industrial, Classical)

If we add this forum, this would be the biggest problem I think.  I'm not sure that discrete categories would work out so well.  For example, just in your listing, you've missed a pretty significant portion of the music I personally listen to.  The problem is how broad to make the categories, and which categories not to include at all because they are likely too small to have much discussion, and this doesn't even take into consideration stuff that can't clearly be categorized at all.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Supachikn on 2003-07-19 12:51:36
I am all for the adding of a forum for discussion of music, though I do not think it should be sub-divided in to genres. Much of what I listen to spans many genres. I think it also prevents people from being exposed to new bands (to an extent) if they were to not read a certain sub-forum, for example.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Messer on 2003-07-19 13:05:37
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If we add this forum, this would be the biggest problem I think.  I'm not sure that discrete categories would work out so well. 

I would start only with "general" and "pink floyd"  forums. Then wait and see which genres/artists requires their separate subforums and create them only if there's real demand.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Supachikn on 2003-07-19 13:20:49
Haha!
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Gecko on 2003-07-19 14:25:00
Null vote.

I come here to enjoy and engage in serious (scientiffic) discussion. I consider talking about music more or less chit-chat and this is imo not what this forum is about. I have however made myself guilty of posting in music related threads as well and am very enthusiastic about music in general. If I can ignore the music forum if I wish... then I wouldn't complain about adding it. Maybe it will introduce me to some new stuff.  Normally, if I feel I need to talk about (my type of) music I just head over to www.tranceaddict.com (http://www.tranceaddict.com).
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: nyarlathotep on 2003-07-19 15:05:10
I'm strongly against using categories because:

- many artists/musics can't be classified easily (ie: what kind of music does F.Zappa play, are The Smiths pop or rock or British pop or Glamour pop or Romantic rock...?), making every thread's location already a subject of discussion
- some "minor" categories will be forgotten, not even mentioning "sub-categories"
- using any kind of classification will prevent people from discovering new artists/music they wouldn't have thought about and I really think the main use of a music forum is to discover/share different music tastes (and not only discussing again and again about bands that everybody already knows)
- the evolution of music has always been kinda "messy" (that's what, imo, makes the thing so exciting) and so the forum should be (to a certain extend only)

Yes, the music forum should be in the Misc section and obviously the new threads must not appear in Active Topics. That ways, it won't be intrusive and can be ignored if wanted.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: 12345 on 2003-07-19 15:41:37
Music forum? It's not like it would make my week or anything, but I can't see how it could ever hurt.

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Might subforums with main genres be an idea? (Blues, Jazz, Rock, Newage/Ambient/Entertainment, Techno/Industrial, Classical)

After all this is mainly an audio compression forum, there's other places to dig that deep.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Surge on 2003-07-19 18:19:56
I've voted "No" since music category would probably create many flame wars and the like. What's more more people will register and normal HA forums will be flooded with people who do not care about good quality compressed audio and they would generate another wave of flame wars...
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: /\/ephaestous on 2003-07-19 18:38:13
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I've voted "No" since music category would probably create many flame wars and the like. What's more more people will register and normal HA forums will be flooded with people who do not care about good quality compressed audio and they would generate another wave of flame wars...

Perhaps the registration should be appart, as in the ones registered in the HA community (HA and foobar now) are registered automatically to the music forum, but if someone registers at the music forum they can only post there. (And I think the same should be done for Foobar2k forums)
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: F1Sushi on 2003-07-19 18:40:38
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Then again, if it were up to me, I'd have a "Pink Floyd" forum, and another one for all other music.  Or maybe a PF trivia forum, a PF news forum, an alternate PF media (books/films/art) forum, and then one forum for all other music.  

Put me down as a 'ditto' on the Pink Floyd multi-forum proposal (he wrote, while listening to Koto Radio on Shoutcast...).

Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: ScorLibran on 2003-07-19 20:47:57
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Might subforums with main genres be an idea? (Blues, Jazz, Rock, Newage/Ambient/Entertainment, Techno/Industrial, Classical)

If we add this forum, this would be the biggest problem I think.  I'm not sure that discrete categories would work out so well.  For example, just in your listing, you've missed a pretty significant portion of the music I personally listen to.  The problem is how broad to make the categories, and which categories not to include at all because they are likely too small to have much discussion, and this doesn't even take into consideration stuff that can't clearly be categorized at all.

I think this is the kind of thing that could be determined over time, after simply creating one "music forum" (disregarding my previous joke about PF and non-PF forums).

Dibrom and/or the administrative staff of HA could keep an eye on the single music forum for the first few weeks, and then determine (1) if there is a prevalence of one genre or topic that seems to be polarizing from the rest of the discussions in the forum, and then (2) whether a seperate forum for the genre or topic in question would be justified by demand, or whether such divisions would start becoming an administrative headache.

And again, it all comes down what the powers-that-be at HA desire concerning how much space and time to give in support of multiple music forums.  What at first seems like a good idea for site expansion could just as easily become a management headache, the solution to which would be closing/merging forums I would guess.

The more I read from the "no-voters", the more clearly I see the potential concerns and issues of such an expansion.  For instance, if the HA music forums were searchable/findable by internet search engines, then it might attract too much attention from people who might not be the desired target audience for HA in general, and of course lead to "issue overload" for the moderation team.  I don't mean to imply that the site should be exclusionary in nature, but personally I'd like to see the music forums as being specifically for HA members who came initially for the audio compression forums.  In other words, ideally internet searches on "music" or certain band names would never bring up a link to an HA music forum, but if someone found HA because they came here specifically, or because they did a search for "AAC" or "LAME" or "ReplayGain", then they could manually navigate to the music forums.

Just my $0.02...
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: upNorth on 2003-07-19 21:21:11
After reading this thread (at least most of it) and voting yes, this is what I think it should be like:
Create a music category in the off-topic section with no genre specific sub-categories. That way it hopefuly won't attract people with genre specific interests, to HA only to discuss e.g. numetal, but at the same time it gives the existing and "wanted" HA users a place to talk about their music.

My first thread would be "Why is Pink Floyd such a great band?", and hopefuly after reading all the answers, I would be able to enjoy the band too 

Btw: Is it possible to hide from search engines?
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: papadoc on 2003-07-19 21:33:07
I voted yes only for a personal reason I'll admit.
I've been a member here for some time,
but I rarely ever post because I'm not an expert
in any of the discussions.
And posting would only show my ignorance,
which I've occasionally done.
So I read allot everyday and learn allot by reading.
But it's only human nature to want to post something.
I do have somewhat of a knowledge of music though, growing up a musician,
and being around music all my long life.
So a Music Forum would give someone like me,
a place to share my opinions and thoughts about music in general,
without feeling like I was bothering anyone in technical matters.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: rpop on 2003-07-19 21:39:57
Sorry to be off topic, but that I think that post earns papdoc n68's Haiku Master title. It may not be exactly Haiku, but it's better than n68's unintelligible posts.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Daybreak on 2003-07-24 20:04:30
Nitpicking here, but category on the main page has been wrongly spelled as catagory for a VERY long time...
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Xenion on 2003-07-25 13:55:51
what about if only registered users see the music forum. guests only see the technical forums and when you're registered you also see the music forum. that way you don't have to worry about the "image" of ha.org
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Dologan on 2003-07-25 14:34:13
*cough* Yeah, Im for it. Put it in the Misc. section.

-Dologan
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: feces1223 on 2003-07-27 05:43:44
great idea Dibrom! I voted yes for a music category* because I am tired of trying to debate which album I should buy on the Off-Topic Forums before dropping 20 bucks... ...it has small success rate and fails to see many eyes but a Music group would definitely be more effective and I wouldnt feel like the odd-one out 
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: HotshotGG on 2003-07-27 06:42:34
[span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%']I believe that adding a music forum to the Hydrogen Audio site would be very good idea. It would allow music listeners alike and far to increase their musical diversity. I just recently began listening to a streaming server that broadcasts streams using Vorbis. I now have a liking in Ambient Electronica and other rock bands that are really interesting that I had never knew existed. I do believe, like most however that the primary purpose of the site should be set towards Physcoacoustics. I enjoy the wealth load of information I gain from learning about it. Many discussions in the Scientific/R&D section have lead me to want understand more about DSP and audio coding algorithms.  This vote in my opinion get's a 'yes' as long as the needed terms and rules are in place to create another forum that can function productively, which I don't see as being a potential problem.  ;-D [/span]
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: LIF on 2003-07-28 01:09:09
Good idea!
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Xenion on 2003-07-29 12:47:48
how many votes do we need to get the forum?
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: LocustFurnace on 2003-08-01 11:13:40
I vote YES, whats the point in discusssing the mechanics of audio when we never discuss the product were working with.
just as long as it doen't become a major flame fest of, this band ROCKs and yours doesn't.
or saying this band invented this or that genre, or this band is not really that type.
just look as the massive errors in the genre ID tag. and how some tag music.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2003-08-01 13:48:10
I agree that a music forum would be good, and that it counts as general chit-chat - so can it be classed as OT please?

D.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: smok3 on 2003-08-01 13:48:36
yes to the music phorum, yes to keep it off main chat-portal same as 'offline' forums, no to categorization of music. (at least my tags are genre-empty)
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: F1Sushi on 2003-08-02 00:14:58
OK, it looks like the music forum is a shoe-in. How much longer before we can discuss vitaly important issues like the Publius Enigma?
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: TrNSZ on 2003-08-06 09:18:52
I don't see this fitting at all, and I'm firmly against this idea.

Since the moment when most technical members of the r3mix forum organized here ... the displayed level of technical expertise and SNR ratio of the post has very much decreased, with more mainstream computer users participating, but not necessarily researching back past threads and displaying overall netiquette.

While I cannot deny that most of what we do here involves compressing (and decompressing) our favorite music, and while discussions regarding the music itself shouldn't be disallowed, it would certaintly be inappropriate to host a forum devoted to those ends.

While I'm sure the idea is to give the "HA" crew a place of their own to have music discussions, this will undoubetly attract even more users to the forums who don't have any interest in "cross-platform psychoacoustic audio compression".  I'd be expecting more the AOL/Kazaa/CometCursor/WinAmp/Xing crowd and that would just further decrease the technical level of these forums.

Also, a forum like this, where nothing can be analyzed non-subjectively, personality conflicts and problems between users are bound to start cropping up, and it's going to be impossible to keep the fighting or negative interactions out of all the other forums as well. Human nature being the way it is, not everyone will admit defeat when a thread is over.

What HA deals with is (primarily) the actions of the codec and not the content!  Another real possibility is that no matter how it works out, a certain real percentage of the community may feel alienated by others attitudes towards their music.  And there will always be music prejudice -- punks vs. metalheads vs. emo dorks vs. whatever. =)

If the HA community definately wants a music forum, and would like it to be "physically" and logically seperated from HA, that is certaintly something that I can use my excessive web hosting space and traffic for, and setup a board for you guys.

Let's keep Hydrogenaudio a high quality technical forum!  Everyone who reads this and agrees, please speak out and vote No to this poll.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: ScorLibran on 2003-08-06 09:37:23
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While I'm sure the idea is to give the "HA" crew a place of their own to have music discussions, this will undoubetly attract even more users to the forums who don't have any interest in "cross-platform psychoacoustic audio compression".  I'd be expecting more the AOL/Kazaa/CometCursor/WinAmp/Xing crowd and that would just further decrease the technical level of these forums.

I agree with this concern, hence my request that such a forum be "hidden" (if at all possible) from general web searches.

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Also, a forum like this, where nothing can be analyzed non-subjectively, personality conflicts and problems between users are bound to start cropping up, and it's going to be impossible to keep the fighting or negative interactions out of all the other forums as well. Human nature being the way it is, not everyone will admit defeat when a thread is over.
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What HA deals with is (primarily) the actions of the codec and not the content!  Another real possibility is that no matter how it works out, a certain real percentage of the community may feel alienated by others attitudes towards their music.  And there will always be music prejudice -- punks vs. metalheads vs. emo dorks vs. whatever. =)

I don't know how effective it would be, but maybe having a TOS for the HA Music Forum would be a good idea.  Rule #1 could be "If you don't have something nice to say about the musical tastes of another person, then don't say anything at all."

And of course, if moderation nightmares become too prevalent, then this whole idea may not work anyway, I would think.  I'm hoping the general rules of forum etiquette will mirror those of the main HA forums.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2003-08-06 09:37:27
TrNSZ,

That's a sensible point. But surely the issue of newbies who don't search or read the FAQs is separate from this one - as an off topic, and probably quite limited forum section, it's hardly going to attract people.

Whats more, we already have these discussions - they're in "Off Topic". As they're slightly less off topic than some of the other stuff in off topic, it makes sense that they should form a sub group in Off Topic - well kind of!

Anyway, I thought one of the points of having an off topic section is to draw the irrelevant stuff away from the "real" part of the board. What might be useful in having a music section is that I can see it having some feedback into the main board. Coding issues vs music genre/type might be interesting.

Cheers,
David.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-06 09:48:23
IMO, you shouldn't raise concerns about how the users will behave (netiquette, etc.) before you try.

If people mess up, the forum is closed. If not, then all is OK.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: TrNSZ on 2003-08-06 10:31:50
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@rjamorim: IMO, you shouldn't raise concerns about how the users will behave (netiquette, etc.) before you try.
Considering normal forum behavior, it's sort of irresponsible to assume that things will go smoothly. Remember Murphy's Law. =)

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@2BDecided: Anyway, I thought one of the points of having an off topic section is to draw the irrelevant stuff away from the "real" part of the board.
So instead additional Off-Topic discussions are encouraged on HA? Maybe discussions should be encouraged, but please not on HA!

I see this as a potentially major problem. It's not possible with this software to have a music forum operate independently from the main forums. Everyone who is registered for discussions there can post on the other HA forums. It's almost encouraging people to jump into a community that they may or may not understand.

If the members of HA want a place to discuss music, then I'd volunteer to help host something with the respect and caliber of HA, but as independant but related forum and community. Nothing wrong with this type of cross-over, and it opens such a forum to a wider audience and wouldn't alieniate anyone. In a music forum, we just might want all those Stereophile and Audiofile magazine readers contributing without feeling like third-class citizens.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-06 10:35:59
LOL! The forum engine is completely fucking up quotes and tags.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: TrNSZ on 2003-08-06 10:38:23
Weird.. split here due to some forum formatting bugs, ack.  To expand on my above post:

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@SkorLibran: I don't know how effective it would be, but maybe having a TOS for the HA Music Forum would be a good idea. Rule #1 could be "If you don't have something nice to say about the musical tastes of another person, then don't say anything at all."
The kind of users we would attempt to restrict using such a TOS would be the same type of users who aren't going to read it anyway!

This and my above posts... just my $0.02.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: ScorLibran on 2003-08-06 11:40:29
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The kind of users we would attempt to restrict using such a TOS would be the same type of users who aren't going to read it anyway!

A logical concern, but that's what warnings followed by bans are for.  It's just a matter of how "busy" this will make moderators if the forum gets too many *nasties*.  If it's too much to manage, then maybe an off-site HA music forum would make more sense, as you suggest.

I just think it's worth a try here, that's all.  Then again, I've never administrated or moderated a web forum before, so I'm just being a blind optimist to some extent.   

One more thing to consider (and HA is the *only* forum I've ever been on that this is the case), many HA members occasionally act as moderators, reminding people who may get out of hand about HA rules.  (I've even done it once or twice, and I've only been a member a few weeks.)  The sense of "order" here tends to make the members who try to provide value to the community protect that sense of order.  So, maybe HA regulars in the music forum will serve to keep a balance against any potential troublemakers from elsewhere, and perhaps ease the burden on the real moderators.  Just a thought...

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LOL! The forum engine is completely fucking up quotes and tags.

...and the forum engine even misspelled my screen name in a quote.  How rude!  (Just kidding!) 

Edit:  Unless my screen name was hand typed in the quote...either way, I don't mind really. 
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Gecko on 2003-08-06 16:19:44
Hm, I don't see how such a subforum can attract many new folks who are looking for a music discussion forum and stumble upon HA and start discussing music without even looking at the main content of the forum.

I'd see a music subforum more as a service to the folks here at HA who now also have a place with people they know to share their other passion that is automatically linked to audio compression: music.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: MachineHead on 2003-08-10 01:53:36
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Hm, I don't see how such a subforum can attract many new folks who are looking for a music discussion forum and stumble upon HA and start discussing music without even looking at the main content of the forum.

I'd see a music subforum more as a service to the folks here at HA who now also have a place with people they know to share their other passion that is automatically linked to audio compression: music.

Ditto.

There could also be the added awareness to people that there are more, and better codecs than Xing, WMP, (used as examples). This might also have the benefit of getting larger fish to sit up and take notice - READ: Manufacturers. Would that be so bad? One could certainly hope for this to happen.

Gets my vote.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: ManK on 2003-09-09 23:05:51
Music is best left to the off-topic section for a forum that is primarily geared towards audio-coding and technical aspects of audio. A forum on audio-mastering will be nice if there are enough takers. 

I voted NO

--mank
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: SeiferV440 on 2003-10-12 23:26:55
I think it would be sweet to have a music category in the forums... and since you say it would be just for discussion...

may i suggest some subforums

Classical, New Age, Jazz, Rock, Electronica, Experimental, Film Scores, Anime, Game...
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: TrNSZ on 2003-10-13 02:13:17
Bad Idea ™.

Just say no.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Dibrom on 2003-10-13 02:44:30
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I think it would be sweet to have a music category in the forums... and since you say it would be just for discussion...

may i suggest some subforums

Classical, New Age, Jazz, Rock, Electronica, Experimental, Film Scores, Anime, Game...

There's already been some discussion about why this approach wouldn't work very well:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....=0&#entry116338 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11454&st=0&#entry116338)

To be honest, I don't know if we'll ever have a music section to this site.  As it stands right now, I simply don't have time (or really the inclination) to deal with it.  I realize that some people would really like something like this, but it's worth noting that it'd mean quite a bit more work for the admins around here (whether we got additional moderators or not).  Given this and the almost complete lack of interest that has been shown in other offshoots of HA (the HA knowledgebase project for example), I'm hesitant to spend a lot more time even working towards something like this...

Given my current attitude towards the situation, it'd take something significant to move me in the direction of adding something like this, and I honestly don't see that happening right now.  Anything is possible though I suppose...
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: rickio on 2003-10-13 03:03:02
I say go for it. I also like one of the posters mentioned, just read as I do not have a technical background. But what is all this about if its not for ultimately hearing a few tunes huh?

I had a music forum and it was so difficult to make it go. I had to give it up as people joined and just chit chatted and I wanted music discussion. But I think you have a huge user base and could make a go of it.

My old forum was musicmagnet.us and it's dead now. I am also a Mod at Zeropaid.com and would be happy to be a Mod on your music forum if you need one.

peace
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Tuning on 2003-11-05 09:32:48
Yep,
most likely reviews of latest artists.Thanks
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: Apollo13 on 2004-02-07 22:53:44
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Music is best left to the off-topic section for a forum that is primarily geared towards audio-coding and technical aspects of audio. A forum on audio-mastering will be nice if there are enough takers. 

I voted NO

--mank

Although i voted Yes i still agree with you now when thinking a bit more far. So i
have to vote here Yes-No; The world (mostly U.S.) is full of forums for general music discussion, different tastes, filesharing and so on...

Many of us (i suppose) belongs to one of those (or can belong if wants to) and here i think the off-topics section will be enough. I'm quite a sure that people will find the right topics there between all computer related problems and who's got the biggest car -cases.

Just an opinion. I do not hate anyway if such a section would become, because i like to speak about music generally in between all the tech talking about MPEG4-containers and new lossless formats 

Until this day i have been a quest digest reader and link-follower and got many many good ideas here (since late 2002) AND can navigate quite well between forums and topics. Something got me to join, because i think that it will become a day, when i do have something serious to ask (that i haven't found by just reading and following links to read more outside.)

Just do how you like with this suggestion - i won't get angry if we loose a bit of the pure technology and development and give some space to just talking (about music). Maybe we could get even some women to join to this group by that way to bring some colour between all these menly masculine forums. 
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
Post by: B on 2004-02-07 23:09:16
Dude, the music forum has been created some time ago already.
Title: Would you like a music category in the forums?
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