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Title: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2015-12-24 09:56:46
I have gone to a great effort to port the existing forum (as of the 20th) to another forum script, to see how well it functions. The temporary forums may be found here:

https://argonaural.io/ (https://argonaural.io/)

If general consensus is that this is a suitable replacement, even with all the conversion errors in place (bloody IPB BBcode mess with nested tags) then the forums may be taken offline for at least a day to freeze them before a final migration.

Also, here is a Git repository containing my changes to the default theme, in case anyone wants to help with actual code contributions and not just words.

https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme (https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme)

E: The migration is now complete. I hope everyone enjoys it, at least somewhat. Most of you will need to recover your passwords using your email accounts.

The server has now been moved to a new VM slice, and is live at https://hydrogenaud.io
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: itisljar on 2015-12-24 10:40:59
Looks nice even on mobile version. But...
I have problem discerning which post is which, they all kind of blend in the same white background. If that could be corrected somehow, with larger spacing between posts, or different shade for different posts, alternating between two, that would be grand.
But thank you for taking the effort of modernizing technology for this forum, so we, the users, can read it on mobile phones...
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: smok3 on 2015-12-24 11:00:13
Any special reason for this?
a. Can't see "Active topics" clicky
b. Imho less readable that this one
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2015-12-24 11:34:00
I agree, the white on white on grey is really hard on the eyes.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: marc2003 on 2015-12-24 12:11:35
I see code tags have successfully ported across but not codebox...

Example: https://argonaural.io/index.php/topic,11049....html#msg911092 (https://argonaural.io/index.php/topic,110499.msg911092.html#msg911092)

Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: --pv-- on 2015-12-24 13:04:50
From the accessibility related stand point the new forum is easier to navigate. For example each post includes heading and it's really very easy to just skim read post content without reading all the post metadata
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: mjb2006 on 2015-12-24 13:18:53
I, too, would prefer black text if the background has to be bright white. I appreciate the theory behind lower-contrast color schemes, but on backlit screens, you pretty much have to go all the way and have a non-white background for lighter text to really work. I see there's a small selection of themes available at http://themes.elkarte.net/ (http://themes.elkarte.net/) ... they're not any better, though.

Anyway, links within posts to other posts are not getting converted properly: https://argonaural.io/index.php/topic,95662....html#msg799921 (https://argonaural.io/index.php/topic,95662.msg799921.html#msg799921)
Compare to the original: https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=95662 (https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=95662)
That's probably a url tag in there. There's also the snapback and topic tags to check.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Nick.C on 2015-12-24 14:30:46
Looking good to me - but only a subset of the forums seem to be available?

I can see:

Hydrogenaudio Forum
Lossless Audio Compression
Hosted Forums
Misc.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: bennetng on 2015-12-24 14:39:20
I agree, the white on white on grey is really hard on the eyes.

+1
The color scheme is too bright for me.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: j7n on 2015-12-24 14:42:23
I would appreciate post headings and Quote boxes shaded in a different color, so that I can see the boundaries between posts without looking over to the avatar column, and also to quickly skip over repeated text in quotes that I probably have already read. People commonly quote large parts of previous posts. Currently the site almost looks like styled for print, aiming to save ink, which would be a fine goal if that were the case.

R.i.p. another classic forum. Only Doom9 remains now.

Offtopic: I do not understand the trend of moving basic navigational elements into websites, where each site does it in its own peculiar way. The "heading" naturally belongs on the browser window's title bar, which designers have gotten away with in order to reclaim space for "content" (on screens of ever increasing resolution). The two arrows on the left duplicate the Page Up, and Page Down Home and End keys, which achieve the same effect without spending 1-2 seconds animating the scrolling.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: dhromed on 2015-12-24 15:39:17
Hey, thanks for the trouble!

Any color stuff can be taken care of, so it's not really an argument.

If the Latest Posts box could be expanded to contain more posts, I'd be totally fine with it. Can users filter it to include only categories they're interested in?

Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: includemeout on 2015-12-24 17:11:37
IMO, Invision Power's own community (https://community.invisionpower.com/) tells us of how "less busy" a design can be (bar the too light font colours).

So is Neowin's (http://www.neowin.net/forum/)

PS: here's hoping the Top Poster bit is there just for illustrational purposes.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: mobyduck on 2015-12-25 10:17:17
What I like most of the current forum is the "Latest Posts" section with the handy little icon for each thread pointing to the first unread post.

The closest equivalent in the new forum seems to be https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=unreadreplies (https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=unreadreplies) (unless I'm missing something) but:

1. it contains post from ANY forum
2. as soon as you read a thread, it disappears from the list
3. I'm not sure how the "New" icon works (as in, will it take me to the first unread post or just to the start of the thread?)

Also, I can't find the equivalent of Linear+ Display mode.

All in all, I have yet to find a good reason to switch, while I see many reasons to keep what we have, but perhaps I'm just experiencing classic resistance to change.

Alessandro
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2015-12-25 11:15:20
I agree, the white on white on grey is really hard on the eyes.


+2. Makes it harder to read. Background of posts would be better kept a similar shade.

PS: here's hoping the Top Poster bit is there just for illustrational purposes.


This too. It'll always be the same posters so the space could have something more useful.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2015-12-25 12:04:07
Some quirks addressed, others remain.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: ajinfla on 2015-12-25 14:50:25
Looks good to me.
Merry Xmas
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Nystagmus on 2015-12-26 03:21:17
I don't like that beta version at all.  The current older version is clearly legible and aesthetically pleasing while still being functional.  The beta version doesn't have those strengths.
I don't understand why you are trying to port this.  If it isn't broken, why try to "fix" it?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2015-12-26 04:13:54
The current older version is clearly legible

As is the beta, if you'd look at how I eliminated the greytext of the original default theme.

aesthetically pleasing while still being functional.

The new forum is also quite functional, responsive, and also works on mobile devices. I could even integrate Tapatalk support, if it pleases a handful of users.

The beta version doesn't have those strengths.

Please do continue to describe, in great detail, what you think could be done to make this new forum script more usable. Suggestions are often helpful when they can actually be acted on in constructive ways.

I don't understand why you are trying to port this.  If it isn't broken, why try to "fix" it?

The current forum script is an aging mess. It's a vanilla version of a version series that was last updated, primarily for security fixes, back in 2009 or so.

Updating it to the latest of the 3.x series, which is the newest that our so-called "lifetime" license allows, would be a nightmare, for several reasons:



Now, look at this nightmare, of waiting for potential security holes to be found in a 7 year old PHP script that is no longer supported by its vendor. I recognize the beauty of all the work that went into it, but I'd like to think that a similar amount of work could eventually go into making a more modern script maintainable, without requiring another permanent version freeze. This newer forum is well updated, Open Source (BSD licensed), and also fields feature requests and bug reports. It's not perfect, but it feels like a cleaner system than this crufty old mess.

It may be easy on the eyes, but it's perpetually frozen, until someone decides to do something about it.

Did I mention that I also wrote my own post body exporter for it, that runs each post through IP Board's native BBcode decompiler? Because this piece of crap pre-processes all BBcode to HTML at post time, storing that HTML mess in the database, and decompiles it whenever someone goes to edit a post. SMF's IP Board 2.3.x importer tries to do a decent job of conversion, but absolutely fails on nested tags, and also chokes on tags with parameters, specifically the quote tag.

My latest version of the SMF importer script is here:

https://gist.github.com/kode54/8a296da37c23391d020c (https://gist.github.com/kode54/8a296da37c23391d020c)

And my latest version of the IP Board engine using post exporter, which produces a gigantic UPDATE script against the elkarte_messages table, is here:

https://gist.github.com/kode54/a6e4117e81c329534966 (https://gist.github.com/kode54/a6e4117e81c329534966)

For a "real" job, it leaves the following steps:



Can you remember the last time the forum changed? Were you even around for that? I know people don't like change. I'm just trying to think of ways to improve our security, reduce spam footprint, and reduce waste. The look can be improved with great care and careful reconfiguration. I would prefer constructive suggestions rather than "don't change anything, I hate change, especially for the sake of change."
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: funkyblue on 2015-12-26 06:53:35
New version is fine, if you can import the same colour scheme.

White on White hurts my eyes
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: marc2003 on 2015-12-26 06:59:55
The inline quotes definitely need subtle colouring like on these forums. And if possible, it would be nice to see them use the full width of my monitor. It stops expanding when you reach 1440px wide. I suppose a user style could fix that but I'm lazy!

edit: recent posts in the foobar2000 sub-forum would be cool assuming the new software supports it.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2015-12-26 10:18:02
I like the new color scheme, the only thing I would like to request is slightly better visual separation between individual posts. They tend to flow together as it is now.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: [JAZ] on 2015-12-26 10:26:24
The look and usability clearly improved from that of 24th of december. Both on laptop and on mobile is easy to read and follow.

So i think it is going into the right direction.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: itisljar on 2015-12-26 11:11:14
Ok, portal for new version looks better now, but posts are merged into one gray continuum. I don't mind white background, but I think that quoted text box shouldn't be that much different colour. And if you can, please make some spacing between posts.
And last thing, do we really need signatures in 2015?

Check this forum out (http://www.bug.hr/forum/topic/vijesti-by-forumasi/warning-steam-is-revealing-private-account-inform/234126.aspx) - it's not your native language, and it is custom made (i know), but to see what I was talking about - posts are separated, and in alternating colors which makes the forum more readable.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: mobyduck on 2015-12-26 18:11:01
Would it be possible to add a "Search Topic" box and a search page with some advanced filtering options (like https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?act=Search (https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?act=Search) )?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2015-12-26 19:02:11
I have only one little question if it is possible to reload the portal with clicking the hydrogen banner as it is with the recent forum. I somehow got used to it.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2015-12-26 19:04:49
Better post separation would be nice. Also, the yellow member rank dots clash with the overall bluish color scheme.
Other than that, I'd prefer for the layout to scale to the edges of the screen instead of having a max width. Wastes precious space for nothing, essentially.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: includemeout on 2015-12-26 20:17:51
I'd prefer for the layout to scale to the edges of the screen instead of having a max width. Wastes precious space for nothing, essentially.

I was in the same impression; though wondering whether it had anything to do with the mobile compatibility thingy.

Other than that, it is shaping up to be a nice HA 2.0.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Nystagmus on 2015-12-26 23:43:49
To Kode54:  Thanks for the very thorough answer about why the forum technical stuff is being changed.  I didn't realise all that work was happening behind the scenes.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2015-12-27 04:43:59
Blue header sections and non-white post backgrounds feeling more HA, nice changes
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: apastuszak on 2015-12-27 06:00:54
The new forum is also quite functional, responsive, and also works on mobile devices. I could even integrate Tapatalk support, if it pleases a handful of users.


Tapatalk support would be a welcome addition.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: mjb2006 on 2015-12-27 18:33:07
TOS and Wiki links need to be at the top of every page.

Apparently no longer an option: topic descriptions (subtitles)? Icons indicating which topics are "hot"?


Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Nystagmus on 2015-12-27 23:38:37
It's looking a lot better now!  Keep up the good work. 

There's a lot of empty space at the top and bottom of each forum entry.  Is there a way to reduce the font size of just the empty space so more topics fit on the page/screen ?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2015-12-28 05:02:32
I'd prefer for the layout to scale to the edges of the screen instead of having a max width. Wastes precious space for nothing, essentially.

I was in the same impression; though wondering whether it had anything to do with the mobile compatibility thingy.

Other than that, it is shaping up to be a nice HA 2.0.

It is apparently easier to read if you don't have to scan horizontally an awful lot for each line of text. Then again, I have gotten used to reading 5 mile wide paragraphs on my 2560x1440 HiDPI display. I have disabled the max 90em width attribute.

The new forum is also quite functional, responsive, and also works on mobile devices. I could even integrate Tapatalk support, if it pleases a handful of users.


Tapatalk support would be a welcome addition.

I have a Tapatalk implementer's account, I'll see if there's a package for ElkArte.

TOS and Wiki links need to be at the top of every page.

Apparently no longer an option: topic descriptions (subtitles)? Icons indicating which topics are "hot"?

TOS I can do, and I'll have to fix the TOS again next time I import. (Which I'll bother doing again once Open Importer has achieved IPS 2.x capability.)

As for wiki, which one? The Hydrogen Audio Wiki, I presume, so I'll just link that there, too.

It's looking a lot better now!  Keep up the good work. 

There's a lot of empty space at the top and bottom of each forum entry.  Is there a way to reduce the font size of just the empty space so more topics fit on the page/screen ?

Forums list, or topics list? I can reduce or even remove the padding on the forums list, if it pleases you. Thankfully, I won't need to make the theme tweaks again if I re-import.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: rutra80 on 2015-12-28 14:18:18
What I'd want after a quick look and not reading the whole thread yet, is a bit smaller font, or possibility to change its size.
Also there seems to be more screenspace wasted (too much padding).
I'd also like to have as much of the color scheme migrated as possible.
It's hard for me to pinpoint what exactly is wrong, but current HA design seems more elegant/tight/tidy/professional, yet. An amount of work needed for migration must be appreciated of course.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2015-12-28 16:55:56
What I'd want after a quick look and not reading the whole thread yet, is a bit smaller font, or possibility to change its size.
Also there seems to be more screenspace wasted (too much padding).
I'd also like to have as much of the color scheme migrated as possible.
It's hard for me to pinpoint what exactly is wrong, but current HA design seems more elegant/tight/tidy/professional, yet. An amount of work needed for migration must be appreciated of course.


The font size is the same as it is currently. Any smaller and I'd probably need new glasses  As for the post padding it actually looks like there is less space wasted since the member post count/join date/number is hidden so the posts aren't extended further than the text itself.

Needs some adjusting to but styling is easy enough to change anyway, and I'm sure it will only improve. Wouldn't be surprised if someone worked on a classic theme once everything is settled.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2015-12-28 18:59:32
Hydrogen for me is most likely the most watched page over the years. I will miss the different shades of blue.
No joke is that for a rough calibrating of monitors by eye i just fired up this page. These lovely blue shades burned into my brain

btw. thanks for bringing back the banner action kode54
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2015-12-28 19:57:26
I'd prefer for the layout to scale to the edges of the screen instead of having a max width. Wastes precious space for nothing, essentially.

I was in the same impression; though wondering whether it had anything to do with the mobile compatibility thingy.

Other than that, it is shaping up to be a nice HA 2.0.

It is apparently easier to read if you don't have to scan horizontally an awful lot for each line of text. Then again, I have gotten used to reading 5 mile wide paragraphs on my 2560x1440 HiDPI display. I have disabled the max 90em width attribute.

It probably is, so maybe another solution would be to have two themes, one with and one without the padding.

The theme is looking much better now, and the alternating post background helps the readability a lot - thanks.
What still kind of sticks out is that the topic crumb bar and the different buttons are more of a deep turquoise than blue.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: marc2003 on 2015-12-28 20:08:50
It is apparently easier to read if you don't have to scan horizontally an awful lot for each line of text. Then again, I have gotten used to reading 5 mile wide paragraphs on my 2560x1440 HiDPI display. I have disabled the max 90em width attribute.


Nice work but hopefully the index page can be tweaked to fill the space also - see the red rectangle in this pic...

http://i.imgur.com/bbWjz4v.png (http://i.imgur.com/bbWjz4v.png)

Thanks for everything you've done so far.


Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: spoon on 2015-12-28 20:51:47
The existing header section is more compact than the new version, depending on resolution the new version takes up almost half of the screen (until get to the posts).

Also the new version limits the width, so if you have a wide screen, the forum is squashed into the middle. For most sites this is needed to maintain an aspect ratio, however for a forum it is not needed as these side bits can show more text on screen.

If you can emulate the existing color scheme, it will feel more like home

When you are ready to move over I can stick up a new virtual machine with the latest CentOs 7.x
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2015-12-29 03:55:43
What I'd want after a quick look and not reading the whole thread yet, is a bit smaller font, or possibility to change its size.
Also there seems to be more screenspace wasted (too much padding).
I'd also like to have as much of the color scheme migrated as possible.
It's hard for me to pinpoint what exactly is wrong, but current HA design seems more elegant/tight/tidy/professional, yet. An amount of work needed for migration must be appreciated of course.

That may also be related to being a free and Open Source project, which may or may not be as professional as something designed by paid developers. Time will tell if we can replicate almost the same style. Do remember that I'm only duplicating colors and tweaking things so far. I have not attempted to duplicate it 100%.

The font size is the same as it is currently. Any smaller and I'd probably need new glasses  As for the post padding it actually looks like there is less space wasted since the member post count/join date/number is hidden so the posts aren't extended further than the text itself.

Needs some adjusting to but styling is easy enough to change anyway, and I'm sure it will only improve. Wouldn't be surprised if someone worked on a classic theme once everything is settled.

Style changes are welcome suggestions, as long as they are accompanied with exact CSS changes, and any template PHP changes needed to make them work. I can provide access to a raw copy of the template files, up to date periodically, if anyone wishes to help shape the default forum theme.

Hydrogen for me is most likely the most watched page over the years. I will miss the different shades of blue.
No joke is that for a rough calibrating of monitors by eye i just fired up this page. These lovely blue shades burned into my brain

btw. thanks for bringing back the banner action kode54

I have tried to bring back the same lovely shades of blue, at least for the post backgrounds' alternating rows, and for the quote/code blocks' colors.

It probably is, so maybe another solution would be to have two themes, one with and one without the padding.

The theme is looking much better now, and the alternating post background helps the readability a lot - thanks.
What still kind of sticks out is that the topic crumb bar and the different buttons are more of a deep turquoise than blue.

I can duplicate themes, but again, I'd like to provide the working theme as a Git repository, against which I'd accept forks and pull requests, or possibly suggestions to use a variant as an alternate theme.

Nice work but hopefully the index page can be tweaked to fill the space also - see the red rectangle in this pic...

http://i.imgur.com/bbWjz4v.png (http://i.imgur.com/bbWjz4v.png)

Thanks for everything you've done so far.

I have since eliminated this padding, by making the post view most of the width.

The existing header section is more compact than the new version, depending on resolution the new version takes up almost half of the screen (until get to the posts).

Also the new version limits the width, so if you have a wide screen, the forum is squashed into the middle. For most sites this is needed to maintain an aspect ratio, however for a forum it is not needed as these side bits can show more text on screen.

If you can emulate the existing color scheme, it will feel more like home

When you are ready to move over I can stick up a new virtual machine with the latest CentOs 7.x

I have also merged the login boxes and search bar into the same row as the logo picture. I removed the 90em width limit from the theme itself, so now the only limiting factor to the width is a global setting in the theme settings page, which I've left at the default of 90%, which should be fine for most screens. The original intent of the 90em width limit was to ensure easier readability, as on widescreen monitors, there will most likely be more scanning horizontally.

I have also hand edited the Terms of Service page, which I will save before attempting to import the whole forum again, since it was quite some work performing the HTML to BBCode edits, including newer iurl and anchor tags. Yes, users are free to create named anchors, which are named starting with letters, then optionally any numbers, and will be prepended with "post_" when processed. iurl links to #anchor will similarly be processed to #post_anchor links in the resulting pages.

So far, the server setup looks pretty simple, and something I should easily be able to transfer over to a CentOS 7.x server. It just needs PHP 5.5 or newer, the GD extension, the pspell extension (for server-side spell checking), something to do with BCMath if we wish to enable OpenID login support.

Oh, and I've taken the liberty of setting up Sphinx search indexing as well, which does a full index every 24 hours, and a delta index every hour. That should be easy enough to set up on a CentOS 7.x machine as well. Probably just needs a repository addition, and install the packages needed. ElkArte generates its own configuration file for insertion, it just needs to be configured with the correct server paths and port numbers for the file, save, generate, then install the sphinx.conf and restart searchd. Then add the indexing items to root's crontab. Although technically, I guess Sphinx could be configured to run as a non-root user, since it doesn't need privileged ports, just access to its index files, and obviously is configured to access the forum database using the forum's own credentials.

Oh, right. I'd also like for this server to be using MariaDB, if at all possible, since it seems worlds faster than vanilla MySQL. I'll take care of that as well, when the time comes.

Naturally, tweaking is important, so I'll continue making changes to this script on my server, and I'll use my server for the initial import, unless @Spoon doesn't want me to transfer another database backup outside of his network and back again, to save bandwidth.

Remember, no final conversion and re-setup will be taking place until at least such time as Open Importer finishes their Invision Power Board 2.x importer. I don't want to go through a two stage conversion again, and I don't trust SMF's importer to handle the BBcode and HTML posts properly. Not to mention, I am apparently not supposed to be inserting break <br> tags into the posts for the newlines, as those somehow show up in the SphinxQL search results, or at least show up in ElkArte's search results pages.

I am also waiting on feature requests for some of the things I've already done manually to some of the code. For instance, the portal, Simple Portal, originally did not use a style class on the Recent Topics/Posts table row <tr> tag, so it did not support my nth-child(even) style addition to the theme.

For another thing, I'm waiting on the Simple Portal adding optional Go/Search button to the Recent Topics/Posts blocks, so we can replicate the searching functionality that is already hardcoded into the current forum. The current search feature is also semi-broken in this respect, as using the date range scope forms on the search results page drops the forum scope rules that keep foobar2000 and other forums' results out of the main portal's search scope, and keeps the foobar2000 portal from searching outside the foobar2000 forums.

I am also going to put in a feature request for optional post icons for the portal, and possibly also the main forums indexes themselves, but I think those changes will only require tweaks to the theme itself, and not to the forum script.

E: I have thrown a Git repository up with the theme files, if anyone wants to help with actual code and not just words.

https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme (https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme)

E2: I'm not totally sure about Tapatalk support. There is only a mod for SMF, not ElkArte. Plus, ElkArte's default theme supports mobile and smaller displays. SMF 2.1 also does, but it's an unstable beta product still.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: spoon on 2015-12-29 09:16:51
Bandwidth is not a problem (it is unmetered).

When you are ready to do the transfer to final, pm me and I will create the server.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Gecko on 2015-12-29 11:11:43
Personally, I really like the verbosity of the "Latest Topics" in the portal of the current forum. It's my main way of checking the forum and all the presented info is relevant for deciding which topic to read (or skip). The new forum is lacking in this regard.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2015-12-29 14:20:23
I have tried to bring back the same lovely shades of blue, at least for the post backgrounds' alternating rows, and for the quote/code blocks' colors.

Thanks! Good enough to me for feeling home.

Personally, I really like the verbosity of the "Latest Topics" in the portal of the current forum. It's my main way of checking the forum and all the presented info is relevant for deciding which topic to read (or skip). The new forum is lacking in this regard.

Me also, if the "More..." option on the Portal search can be brought back it would be a big plus.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: ExUser on 2015-12-29 14:59:54
Holy God, kode. Give me some time to digest this and I might have more usefulness to share... Massive change. :applause:
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: dhromed on 2015-12-29 15:13:58
Personally, I really like the verbosity of the "Latest Topics" in the portal of the current forum. It's my main way of checking the forum and all the presented info is relevant for deciding which topic to read (or skip). The new forum is lacking in this regard.


What is the difference between the new Recent Topics box and the current Latest Posts box?

The new one shows a few fewer posts, but it's exactly the same otherwise.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: dhromed on 2015-12-29 15:18:19
Me also, if the "More..." option on the Portal search can be brought back it would be a big plus.


Just increase the number of Latest Topics to 30 and yer done.

I wonder if that's a personal setting in the new forum?

Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2015-12-29 15:32:12
Just increase the number of Latest Topics to 30 and yer done.

I wonder if that's a personal setting in the new forum?

I see no such option and besides that an option only available while logged in is far from the old public "More..." option.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Gecko on 2015-12-29 17:47:11
What is the difference between the new Recent Topics box and the current Latest Posts box?

The new one shows a few fewer posts, but it's exactly the same otherwise.

Stuff which I'm missing:
Topic starter: Let's you know what to expect if the topic is started by a notorious regular.
Number of replies: Zero replies? Maybe I can actually contribute.
Number of pages: Gone up from 40 to 50 since last visit? Must be one of those furious battles.
"Hot Topic" indicator: Well, must be a hot topic. Take me to the newest post, flaming icon!
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Zarggg on 2015-12-30 14:41:11
What is the difference between the new Recent Topics box and the current Latest Posts box?

The new one shows a few fewer posts, but it's exactly the same otherwise.

"Recent Topics" will show recently created threads, while the existing "Latest Posts" shows posts on new and existing threads.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: dhromed on 2015-12-30 14:50:06
Recent Topics in the new forum updates with new posts, so it's equivalent to what we have now.

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Stuff which I'm missing:

Indeed.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2015-12-31 04:44:35
What is the difference between the new Recent Topics box and the current Latest Posts box?
The new one shows a few fewer posts, but it's exactly the same otherwise.

It shows six now, but I can make it eight, like the old one.

Stuff which I'm missing:
Topic starter: Let's you know what to expect if the topic is started by a notorious regular.

Already implemented. Required a change to the forum's SSI handler to retrieve the original poster.

Number of replies: Zero replies? Maybe I can actually contribute.

SSI already fetched this, just needed to display it. Perhaps in a better way in the future.

Number of pages: Gone up from 40 to 50 since last visit? Must be one of those furious battles.

Yeah, a pagination widget would be nice too. I can lodge feature requests with the Simple Portal developer, if they're even active now. Or I could try adding my own.

"Hot Topic" indicator: Well, must be a hot topic. Take me to the newest post, flaming icon!

I can check the post count threshold from the current portal script, which I originally hard coded in. Then I can go and hard code it into the new portal script.

As for linking to the newest post, do you mean the first unread post, or the last post of the topic?

E: Never mind. The actual topic links themselves already go to the first unread post, if you're logged into the forum. It obviously can't perform read tracking for guests.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: bennetng on 2015-12-31 09:43:40
Is it possible to make the right column (latest topics) in 3 lines (like the old version) or even better, multiline with word wrap? The left column (sub-forum descriptions) like "Uploads" even has many lines and makes the right column looks blank.

old vs new:

Need admin help regarding TOS ...
Need admin help regar...

WavPack 4.75.2 is available
WavPack 4.75.2 is ava...

EDIT: Maybe multiline is a bad idea since malicious users can use a very long title, but 3 lines (title, poster, time) like the old version should be OK?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: dhromed on 2015-12-31 11:39:25
What is the difference between the new Recent Topics box and the current Latest Posts box?
The new one shows a few fewer posts, but it's exactly the same otherwise.

It shows six now, but I can make it eight, like the old one.


Or 10. Or 20. Or 30. I currently always have the feeling some updates fall off the edge, never to be seen by me again.

Forums like Discourse and Vanilla operate 100% from the Latest Posts view, and it's great.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-01 02:54:08
Is it possible to make the right column (latest topics) in 3 lines (like the old version) or even better, multiline with word wrap? The left column (sub-forum descriptions) like "Uploads" even has many lines and makes the right column looks blank.

old vs new:

Need admin help regarding TOS ...
Need admin help regar...

WavPack 4.75.2 is available
WavPack 4.75.2 is ava...

EDIT: Maybe multiline is a bad idea since malicious users can use a very long title, but 3 lines (title, poster, time) like the old version should be OK?

In case you didn't notice, it also has a tooltip displaying the full topic name.

Or 10. Or 20. Or 30. I currently always have the feeling some updates fall off the edge, never to be seen by me again.

Forums like Discourse and Vanilla operate 100% from the Latest Posts view, and it's great.

On a huge forum like this? Hmm, maybe.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-01 03:37:39
Noticed the plain thread links and 'go to last post' links are missing from the new design. At the moment topic links go to 'topic seen: new' by default which afaik skips to the last read post (?), whereas the existing format uses a vanilla link to the thread so one can read the OP, and uses the 'By x user' as the link to the last post.

Using the last post date text could perhaps be a way to include the last post link, so as to keep the title link for reading the thread from the beginning. Would also make it far easier to click than the old 'By' link
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: derty2 on 2016-01-01 20:39:25
I had a quick look at argonaural.io ....

When selecting text on the new forum, the colors are black font with light blue background.
I dislike this selection color scheme, it does not have enough contrast and I need to focus my eyes too hard on what is selected.
My operating system (Windows XP classic view) uses white font with dark blue background RGB(10,36,106). It is REALLY EASY to see what is selected.

at argonaural.io, the offending code causing this is *::-moz-selection inside the forum style sheet index_light.css
Is it possible to remove this code permanently from the style sheet? (...and allow peoples system preferences to set this natively).

Also, IMHO, the new forum is way too white-looking, it hurts my eyes. I like the gray/lavender DIV containers as seen here at HA Forum.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-02 01:08:51
Noticed the plain thread links and 'go to last post' links are missing from the new design. At the moment topic links go to 'topic seen: new' by default which afaik skips to the last read post (?), whereas the existing format uses a vanilla link to the thread so one can read the OP, and uses the 'By x user' as the link to the last post.

Using the last post date text could perhaps be a way to include the last post link, so as to keep the title link for reading the thread from the beginning. Would also make it far easier to click than the old 'By' link

The Recent Topics views always go to the oldest post that hasn't been seen yet. If you haven't seen the topic yet, then the link will always go to the beginning of the topic.

I had a quick look at argonaural.io ....

When selecting text on the new forum, the colors are black font with light blue background.

In case you haven't noticed, this forum does the same exact thing. ... Oh wait, that's just my system theme talking. I'll remove it, or comment it out, then.

I dislike this selection color scheme, it does not have enough contrast and I need to focus my eyes too hard on what is selected.
My operating system (Windows XP classic view) uses white font with dark blue background RGB(10,36,106). It is REALLY EASY to see what is selected.

at argonaural.io, the offending code causing this is *::-moz-selection inside the forum style sheet index_light.css
Is it possible to remove this code permanently from the style sheet? (...and allow peoples system preferences to set this natively).

Also, IMHO, the new forum is way too white-looking, it hurts my eyes. I like the gray/lavender DIV containers as seen here at HA Forum.

I can always install alternate styles. I can install a dark version of the theme, which already defaults to a blue style.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-02 06:30:26
The Recent Topics views always go to the oldest post that hasn't been seen yet. If you haven't seen the topic yet, then the link will always go to the beginning of the topic.


Are you saying the latter overrides the former, or no? As all links in the Recent Topics on argonaural.io go to the last post that hasn't been seen yet, whether the topic has been read first or not. Using Firefox v44.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on 2016-01-02 17:22:06
Mostly a lurker here, but let me add my reaction anyway: it looks very nice. I'm sure I can get used to any functional changes.

Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: marc2003 on 2016-01-02 18:08:02
I've submitted a pull request!

https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme/pull/2 (https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme/pull/2)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: rutra80 on 2016-01-02 22:10:48
What I'd want after a quick look and not reading the whole thread yet, is a bit smaller font, or possibility to change its size.

The font size is the same as it is currently.

In topics lists it's a bit larger. Anyway, an option for changing preferred "compactness" (fonts & padding) of the forum wouldn't hurt, high-DPI display users would be as happy as screenspace whores.
It's hard for me to pinpoint what exactly is wrong, but current HA design seems more elegant/tight/tidy/professional, yet.

That may also be related to being a free and Open Source project, which may or may not be as professional as something designed by paid developers. Time will tell if we can replicate almost the same style.

My thoughts exactly, even wanted to say that old vs new feels a bit like Windows vs Linux, but got afraid of flames...
Is migrating to something commercial out of the question?

Another thoughts:
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-03 02:40:32
Are you saying the latter overrides the former, or no? As all links in the Recent Topics on argonaural.io go to the last post that hasn't been seen yet, whether the topic has been read first or not. Using Firefox v44.

The latter overrides the former if you've never viewed the topic before. It always goes to the first unread post of the topic.

Mostly a lurker here, but let me add my reaction anyway: it looks very nice. I'm sure I can get used to any functional changes.

Good to hear. It may yet take over. I'm still waiting on a functional direct converter.

I've submitted a pull request!

https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme/pull/2 (https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme/pull/2)

Merged. Yeah, I was actually trying to go for backgrounding that entire side panel of the posts with that color, but I couldn't figure out how. Maybe you can?

My thoughts exactly, even wanted to say that old vs new feels a bit like Windows vs Linux, but got afraid of flames...
Is migrating to something commercial out of the question?

Commercial depends entirely upon me finding a commercial forum that can import the entire backlog, and won't break my bank. Many commercial forums involve a yearly license fee to maintain support and updates.

The nearest suggested choice from the same source that suggested ElkArte was XenForo, which runs at $40 per year to renew licensing, which is entirely reasonable. I think the up front cost is a bit more, though.

Oh, and the oldest IP.Board that XenForo can import from is 3.x, so I'd be looking to use Garf's lifetime (up to 3.x) license to acquire 3.x and import the 2.x history into it first. I'm sure that'd be fun.

Recent posts items seem to occupy 4 lines of text when both side columns are enabled. Disabling one column makes it 3 lines tall and disabling both makes it look/feel good (2 lines). I'm on 4:3 display (1600x1200).

I have adjusted the portal styles somewhat, restructuring how the information is presented, as well as how it is styled. It should still fit in 3 lines on 4:3 displays with both columns enabled, or two lines with more room.

Avatar size should be more limited

Avatar size is actually more limited dimension wise than it is here currently. Current limit is 100x100 10KB, while the new forum limits to 65x65, not sure what file size it limits to, if any. It will also transcode the files on upload.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-03 07:27:05
The latter overrides the former if you've never viewed the topic before. It always goes to the first unread post of the topic.


Hmm, guess it's showing something different on your side then.

Merged. Yeah, I was actually trying to go for backgrounding that entire side panel of the posts with that color, but I couldn't figure out how. Maybe you can?


It's possible by swapping which backgrounds are targeted in the CSS. By setting a background color to the post area where the text/images are then making the container element have the lavender color it has the effect of making the side user area have a full-height background.

Made a pull request here (https://github.com/kode54/hydrogenaudio-elkarte-theme/pull/5). Hopefully the changes check out. Tested them first via the web inspector / Stylish.

What it looks like:

(http://i.imgur.com/Qcc0H6C.png)

There were a couple elements that I couldn't identify the purpose of:

From index.css:

.poster.poster2

From index_light.css:

.core_posts

So I left the styling of these unchanged.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-03 09:13:42
Hmm, guess it's showing something different on your side then.

Nope, you're right, it was broken. I had to fix something in the SSI script, then fix the portal block code.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-03 15:13:11
Anyone can give me a hint if i can influence the fonts? My FF shows blurry text everywhere in the new forum. Like it was some font smoothing in action.
I find it a bit uncomfortable o read. All other forums i visit have the sharp tesxt as the recent style.
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160103/temp/jjmcwbfp.png) (http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4222/jjmcwbfp_png.htm)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-03 15:47:45
Anyone can give me a hint if i can influence the fonts? My FF shows blurry text everywhere in the new forum. Like it was some font smoothing in action.
I find it a bit uncomfortable o read. All other forums i visit have the sharp tesxt as the recent style.

(http://i.imgur.com/xS5hFbN.png)


Are you using Windows XP? As IIRC there's a setting that disables ClearType rendering when below a certain font size. On the left of the above screenshot it's disabled while on the right is enabled. If it's something you can't adjust to it wouldn't be too difficult to create a custom userstyle that overrides the default style.

In Windows 8 on Firefox the existing style looks like this on my system (slightly different than the default rendering as I'm using the MacType utility):

(http://i.imgur.com/jWQ5AQt.png)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-03 16:19:53
Win 10, Cleartype disabled. In the Edge browser both versions are blurry. Hardware accelaration in FF is it not. Have to dig deeper myself. I only wonder why all old forums i visit don't smooth.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: rutra80 on 2016-01-03 18:04:30
I have adjusted the portal styles somewhat, restructuring how the information is presented, as well as how it is styled. It should still fit in 3 lines on 4:3 displays with both columns enabled, or two lines with more room.

How about narrowing a Subject column and making both Forum & Last post columns a lil bit more wide?
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Avatar size is actually more limited dimension wise than it is here currently. Current limit is 100x100 10KB, while the new forum limits to 65x65, not sure what file size it limits to, if any. It will also transcode the files on upload.

On a screenshot from a couple of posts above it can be seen that DigitalMan avatar is huge, it's actually 142x142...
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: KDDLB on 2016-01-04 02:18:52
Win 10, Cleartype disabled. In the Edge browser both versions are blurry. Hardware accelaration in FF is it not. Have to dig deeper myself. I only wonder why all old forums i visit don't smooth.



UWP/WinRT apps (so-called "modern" apps, not that I disagree with that term) do not take the system's ClearType setting into account. Could you share a screenshot anyway? This is how mine looks like: http://a.kddlb.cl/ms-edge-ha-new.png (http://a.kddlb.cl/ms-edge-ha-new.png)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-04 02:26:56
Anyone can give me a hint if i can influence the fonts? My FF shows blurry text everywhere in the new forum. Like it was some font smoothing in action.

The fonts are slightly larger than this forum, and they have attributes to allow font smoothing. I'm sure some people would prefer it that way, but I guess I can make a custom style that disables font smoothing across the board.

Win 10, Cleartype disabled. In the Edge browser both versions are blurry. Hardware accelaration in FF is it not. Have to dig deeper myself. I only wonder why all old forums i visit don't smooth.

Yeah, applications which use DirectWrite, or even any other font rendering engine, can disregard the system setting and use any font smoothing they want. It appears to be the case here.

How about narrowing a Subject column and making both Forum & Last post columns a lil bit more wide?

You could contribute style sheet changes, or you could wait on my pet style sheet monkey to take your request to heart, then try it out until you find you like it. Feel free to try out a web inspector style editor and see what needs to be changed for those columns.

On a screenshot from a couple of posts above it can be seen that DigitalMan avatar is huge, it's actually 142x142...

I think you'll find that his avatar was uploaded before the limit was set, and even with that, the new script enforces a max-width and max-height of 65x65 by default, which means it's scaled down. I'm not sure how you noticed it was too large on the new forum.

That can be another issue I can take up with the Open Importer developers, when converting uploaded avatars to ElkArte uploads, they could transcode and resize any that are too large for the limits. Of course, be aware that this larger image does benefit its view on High DPI monitors, as those will automatically display double or even triple precision on soft resized images.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: zeremy on 2016-01-04 02:27:32
The bookmark plugin would be a nice addon.
Description:  Allows your members to bookmark topics so they can find them easily in the future

https://github.com/Spuds/Elk-Bookmarks/archive/master.zip (https://github.com/Spuds/Elk-Bookmarks/archive/master.zip)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-04 02:42:28
The bookmark plugin would be a nice addon.

Installed. Looks fine. It may need a minor change to display the topic links like the portal currently does, namely with link to new posts and unread posts.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-04 02:49:38
Anyone can give me a hint if i can influence the fonts? My FF shows blurry text everywhere in the new forum. Like it was some font smoothing in action.

The fonts are slightly larger than this forum, and they have attributes to allow font smoothing. I'm sure some people would prefer it that way, but I guess I can make a custom style that disables font smoothing across the board.

Win 10, Cleartype disabled. In the Edge browser both versions are blurry. Hardware accelaration in FF is it not. Have to dig deeper myself. I only wonder why all old forums i visit don't smooth.

Yeah, applications which use DirectWrite, or even any other font rendering engine, can disregard the system setting and use any font smoothing they want. It appears to be the case here.

I also just found that disabling "allow pages to use own fonts" did the trick. So it is the new design. No good solution for daily use though.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-04 03:50:46
I also just found that disabling "allow pages to use own fonts" did the trick. So it is the new design. No good solution for daily use though.

Try now? It was originally forcing -webkit-font-smoothing to antialiased instead of auto or none or whatever.

Also, I set timestamps to relative everywhere, hover over them for a full timestamp tool tip.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: mjb2006 on 2016-01-04 06:04:08
A couple more issues:

1. The PHPSESSID string should be stripped from the URLs of the threads linked on the home page.

2. Redirects will be needed to deal with examples like these:

/forums/index.php?showforum=2 -> /index.php/board,2.0.html
/forums/index.php?showtopic=110060 -> /index.php/topic,110060.0.html
/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=110060&view=findpost&p=906764 -> /index.php/topic,110060.msg906764.html#msg906764
/forums/index.php?showuser=4082 -> /index.php?action=profile;u=4082

3. Consider replacing Gravatar URLs with local URLs that are served via a caching proxy. So instead of //www.gravatar.com/avatar/a9c1bdfdffd0fe84201345da357d0da5;s=65&r=g you would link to, say, /gravatar/a9c1bdfdffd0fe84201345da357d0da5;s=65&r=g ... then your server, configured appropriately, would serve the images from its own cache, only contacting Gravatar to fetch new images when the cache expires. This would alleviate privacy concerns and would boost performance for users. An example config for nginx: https://serverfault.com/questions/744969/ng...xpires-too-soon (https://serverfault.com/questions/744969/nginx-proxy-cache-expires-too-soon) (I think as per the answer there, you have to add "Expires" to the "proxy_ignore_headers Cache-Control" line). There is probably also a way to fall back on a default image URL if the proxy returns an error. Along those same lines, onerror="this.style.display='none'" might be a good idea to add to the avatar img element. That way, if the image can't be loaded, the user won't see a broken image icon. Or if you wanted to substitute a generic image, onerror="this.src='/path/to/the/generic_avatar.png'".
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-04 13:45:01
I also just found that disabling "allow pages to use own fonts" did the trick. So it is the new design. No good solution for daily use though.

Try now? It was originally forcing -webkit-font-smoothing to antialiased instead of auto or none or whatever.

Also, I set timestamps to relative everywhere, hover over them for a full timestamp tool tip.

No real change.

Edit: Don't worry about me and the fonts. I found a FF addon "Stylish" that sets a custom font for URLs. Works for me.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: dhromed on 2016-01-04 14:35:04
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I found a FF addon "Stylish" that sets a custom font for URLs.


I do that a lot. Most of my read-heavy sites have a serif font that I like, extra line-height and maybe some color tweaks.

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No real change.


That's really odd. While I did find that the CSS smoothing setting is a no-op in windows/firefox, I wonder if FFX force-applies greyscale antialias to "custom" fonts? There are a slew of about:config settings on font smoothing and it's not clear what any one does.

Usually font smoothing for custom fonts looks better, since they're so poorly hinted; unlike Georgia and Verdana which are superbly hinted and look great without antialias.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-04 14:43:34
Exactly, Verdana looks good to me. I use it the way it is suggested here in case others want to play with it https://support.mozilla.org/questions/1020054 (https://support.mozilla.org/questions/1020054)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-05 02:08:57
1. The PHPSESSID string should be stripped from the URLs of the threads linked on the home page.

That is added automatically, for anonymous user tracking. Unless you're logged in, in which case, maybe that stupid EU cookie warning thing I enabled does some bad things to prevent use of cookies.

2. Redirects will be needed to deal with examples like these:

/forums/index.php?showforum=2 -> /index.php/board,2.0.html
/forums/index.php?showtopic=110060 -> /index.php/topic,110060.0.html
/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=110060&view=findpost&p=906764 -> /index.php/topic,110060.msg906764.html#msg906764
/forums/index.php?showuser=4082 -> /index.php?action=profile;u=4082

Yes, I can add permanent redirects for various old scripts' paths and queries. And incidentally, #new always works for whichever message is specified using the msg parameter.

3. Consider replacing Gravatar URLs with local URLs that are served via a caching proxy. So instead of //www.gravatar.com/avatar/a9c1bdfdffd0fe84201345da357d0da5;s=65&r=g you would link to, say, /gravatar/a9c1bdfdffd0fe84201345da357d0da5;s=65&r=g ... then your server, configured appropriately, would serve the images from its own cache, only contacting Gravatar to fetch new images when the cache expires. This would alleviate privacy concerns and would boost performance for users. An example config for nginx: https://serverfault.com/questions/744969/ng...xpires-too-soon (https://serverfault.com/questions/744969/nginx-proxy-cache-expires-too-soon) (I think as per the answer there, you have to add "Expires" to the "proxy_ignore_headers Cache-Control" line). There is probably also a way to fall back on a default image URL if the proxy returns an error. Along those same lines, onerror="this.style.display='none'" might be a good idea to add to the avatar img element. That way, if the image can't be loaded, the user won't see a broken image icon. Or if you wanted to substitute a generic image, onerror="this.src='/path/to/the/generic_avatar.png'".

Paranoid much? I would have to step into the gravatar portion of the script to change where it links, assuming there isn't already a mod for this. I suppose you block Gravatar now, so you'll also be missing my current avatar on this site, which I manually set to a Gravatar link.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Tahnru on 2016-01-05 04:15:12
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Commercial depends entirely upon me finding a commercial forum that can import the entire backlog, and won't break my bank. Many commercial forums involve a yearly license fee to maintain support and updates.

The nearest suggested choice from the same source that suggested ElkArte was XenForo, which runs at $40 per year to renew licensing, which is entirely reasonable. I think the up front cost is a bit more, though.

Oh, and the oldest IP.Board that XenForo can import from is 3.x, so I'd be looking to use Garf's lifetime (up to 3.x) license to acquire 3.x and import the 2.x history into it first. I'm sure that'd be fun.


Just in case it is at all useful, I've just completed an upgrade at work from 3.4.8 to 4.1.6 Invision.  It wasn't without issue, but it was certainly much smoother than it could have been.  Invision has announced the end of the 3.4.x support for April 1 next year.

We're using all of their applications (minus Nexus and Chat) and that runs $70 twice a year.

PM me if I can answer any questions?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-05 04:48:08
I won't be touching Invision 4.x with a galaxy sized pole, I've heard it's an utter trainwreck, and even if we did go that route, we'd be looking at buying a whole new license, and renewing it every year.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: mjb2006 on 2016-01-05 04:48:54
1. The PHPSESSID string should be stripped from the URLs of the threads linked on the home page.

That is added automatically, for anonymous user tracking.

Ah, OK, makes sense.

Paranoid much? I would have to step into the gravatar portion of the script to change where it links, assuming there isn't already a mod for this. I suppose you block Gravatar now, so you'll also be missing my current avatar on this site, which I manually set to a Gravatar link.

Yes, your user image (broken image icon, for me) is what got me thinking about how to avoid that, regardless of where they're hosted.

Yes, paranoid, I suppose, but also just cynical and irritated by the insistent tracking of everything everyone does online, and the behind-the-scenes aggregation and passing around of all that info among companies desperately clawing for cash.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: zeremy on 2016-01-05 07:24:10
What was missing from this forum is embedding of video links for posts.

If you agree the setting for elkarte it is at "Enable auto-embedding of video links" in admin > forum  > Posts and Topics >.Post Setting
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2016-01-05 12:31:23
I generally dislike change, but I like this. It seems to work well. I just wanted to post to thank you for all your hard work and time spent kode54. I hope this works out.

Cheers,
David.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-05 14:38:19
Yeah, whatever you did to the colours kode54 it is perfect! Nice on the eyes and has the correct hydrogen feeling
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-05 15:15:09
Am I the only one who feels it's a waste of precious screen real estate to have a long column with Forum Staff on the right? I'd prefer to give the actual content, the Recent Topics that people are coming to HA for, more space. HA's content is top notch so I'd say give it all the space it can get.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-05 15:30:50
Am I the only one who feels it's a waste of precious screen real estate to have a long column with Forum Staff on the right? I'd prefer to give the actual content, the Recent Topics that people are coming to HA for, more space. HA's content is top notch so I'd say give it all the space it can get.


Thing is, expanding the Recent Topics panel doesn't really extend any of the text since the titles are limited to a certain length. Right pane widget provides some nice balance imo.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-05 15:56:18
Am I the only one who feels it's a waste of precious screen real estate to have a long column with Forum Staff on the right? I'd prefer to give the actual content, the Recent Topics that people are coming to HA for, more space. HA's content is top notch so I'd say give it all the space it can get.


Thing is, expanding the Recent Topics panel doesn't really extend any of the text since the titles are limited to a certain length. Right pane widget provides some nice balance imo.

Yes, you can see that when you collapse it. I guess the point is that not having a column there still adds something, it adds focus on the Recent Topics. It also removes some distraction. The page is already fairly 'crowded' if you ask me.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: mobyduck on 2016-01-05 16:35:47
You can hide the two columns, but they are restored at every page refresh: maybe there's a simple way to save their state (visibile/hidden) somehow?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: bennetng on 2016-01-05 17:01:35
Am I the only one who feels it's a waste of precious screen real estate to have a long column with Forum Staff on the right? I'd prefer to give the actual content, the Recent Topics that people are coming to HA for, more space. HA's content is top notch so I'd say give it all the space it can get.


+1, and same problem in this page as well
https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum (https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum)

Is it possible to make the right column (latest topics) in 3 lines (like the old version) or even better, multiline with word wrap? The left column (sub-forum descriptions) like "Uploads" even has many lines and makes the right column looks blank.

old vs new:

Need admin help regarding TOS ...
Need admin help regar...

WavPack 4.75.2 is available
WavPack 4.75.2 is ava...

EDIT: Maybe multiline is a bad idea since malicious users can use a very long title, but 3 lines (title, poster, time) like the old version should be OK?

In case you didn't notice, it also has a tooltip displaying the full topic name.


Since the descriptions in the left column seldom changes, why don't give more space to display the titles of recent posts? Tooltip can only display one title but not all titles.

Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-06 01:54:45
Am I the only one who feels it's a waste of precious screen real estate to have a long column with Forum Staff on the right? I'd prefer to give the actual content, the Recent Topics that people are coming to HA for, more space. HA's content is top notch so I'd say give it all the space it can get.
+1
I can disable this column. Then nobody will know who to report to directly, but at least they can use the Report Post or Topic feature and be sure to reach the staff.

and same problem in this page as well
https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum (https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum)
Don't forget people with small screens.

Since the descriptions in the left column seldom changes, why don't give more space to display the titles of recent posts? Tooltip can only display one title but not all titles.
Yes, but how many characters to display? Or should I eliminate topic name shortening altogether? Again, don't forget people with small screens. Try reducing the width of your browser to fit into 1280 pixels, or 1024 pixels, or even 800 pixels, and see how well it looks with a full topic name in there.

Exactly, Verdana looks good to me. I use it the way it is suggested here in case others want to play with it https://support.mozilla.org/questions/1020054 (https://support.mozilla.org/questions/1020054)
Quote from: Screwtape
These days I think Windows browsers use DirectWrite for fast, GPU-based font rendering wherever they can, with the special exception that they force GDI rendering for the MS Core Web fonts (Times, Arial, Verdana, etc.) because people go nuts if 10px Arial doesn't display the exact same pixels it did in Win3.1.

So, yeah, anything but MS Core Fonts, you get (fairly decent, in my opinion) anti-aliasing. But I guess I've sort of lost touch with what blurry text looks like on low resolution displays, what with operating on a 5120x2880 panel for over a year now. And even on my secondary 1920x1080 panel, I'm mostly dealing with Apple's text rendering, not Microsoft's crappy solution.

What was missing from this forum is embedding of video links for posts.

If you agree the setting for elkarte it is at "Enable auto-embedding of video links" in admin > forum  > Posts and Topics >.Post Setting
Does a serious audio discussion forum really need embedded Youtube videos?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: bennetng on 2016-01-06 08:02:33
and same problem in this page as well
https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum (https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum)

Don't forget people with small screens.

Since the descriptions in the left column seldom changes, why don't give more space to display the titles of recent posts? Tooltip can only display one title but not all titles.

Yes, but how many characters to display? Or should I eliminate topic name shortening altogether? Again, don't forget people with small screens. Try reducing the width of your browser to fit into 1280 pixels, or 1024 pixels, or even 800 pixels, and see how well it looks with a full topic name in there.


Actually my home PC's monitor is 1280*1024, I tried a little bit and noticed that the layout changes with screen width and font size. Now the left column supports word wrap but right doesn't, how about allowing title length same as row count of left column?

https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php...ost&id=8483 (https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=8483)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-06 10:41:08
Am I the only one who feels it's a waste of precious screen real estate to have a long column with Forum Staff on the right? I'd prefer to give the actual content, the Recent Topics that people are coming to HA for, more space. HA's content is top notch so I'd say give it all the space it can get.

+1

I can disable this column. Then nobody will know who to report to directly, but at least they can use the Report Post or Topic feature and be sure to reach the staff.

Thanks, it looks a lot better now!
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-06 11:18:11
A cookie preference would be nice, but not sure how easy/possible it would be add. At 1440p all I see is extra white space  On smaller monitors I can see the use.

Good to see the new relative dates back
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: korth on 2016-01-06 11:55:53
Am I the only one who feels it's a waste of precious screen real estate to have a long column with Forum Staff on the right? I'd prefer to give the actual content, the Recent Topics that people are coming to HA for, more space. HA's content is top notch so I'd say give it all the space it can get.

+1

I can disable this column. Then nobody will know who to report to directly, but at least they can use the Report Post or Topic feature and be sure to reach the staff.

I was happy clicking the button that hid that column, but wished my preference was remembered when I returned to the page.

(http://i.imgur.com/Oq9UfxY.png)
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2016-01-06 15:44:23
I agree with korth, disabling it completely isn't the way to go, IMHO. Also, those two arrows point up and down instead of right/left, and both are positioned on the right hand side.
Shouldn't the one that hides the left one be on the left and point left/right when the panel is visible/hidden? Same for the right arrow, with reversed order.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-06 16:11:04
Could the Forum Staff box perhaps move to the bottom of the left column? There is plenty of space there and it wouldn't be in anyone's way.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: bennetng on 2016-01-06 16:58:30
and same problem in this page as well
https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum (https://argonaural.io/index.php?action=forum)

Don't forget people with small screens.

Since the descriptions in the left column seldom changes, why don't give more space to display the titles of recent posts? Tooltip can only display one title but not all titles.

Yes, but how many characters to display? Or should I eliminate topic name shortening altogether? Again, don't forget people with small screens. Try reducing the width of your browser to fit into 1280 pixels, or 1024 pixels, or even 800 pixels, and see how well it looks with a full topic name in there.


Actually my home PC's monitor is 1280*1024, I tried a little bit and noticed that the layout changes with screen width and font size. Now the left column supports word wrap but right doesn't, how about allowing title length same as row count of left column?

https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php...ost&id=8483 (https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=8483)


I also noticed that the width of right column does not change. When the window is wide enough there will be a lot of wasted space in the left column since some subforum descriptions are pretty short. It would be better to make the width of both columns the same when window width is large enough, for example 1440 pixels, in order to save some space for the right column and make the content of both columns more visually balanced, without too much wasted space in either column.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: Keiro on 2016-01-07 02:31:10
I'm the one that suggested ElkArte when the subject of alternative forum software came up.

I've also been providing guidance on what's where, based on questions and comments kode54 makes and what I see in this forum.

So... Yeah. As far as the XenForo license, I believe the initial cost is $150.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-07 02:55:44
And IPS Forum 4, which I already said I won't be touching, is $175 up front, then $25 renewal every 6 months.
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: zeremy on 2016-01-07 05:16:28
Does a serious audio discussion forum really need embedded Youtube videos?


My suggestion IMO will help users requiring support to be able to show there problem with a video , when descriptive texting is difficult due to language barriers / misunderstanding of terms.
How many times have you tried to understand what someone is trying to explain in there post?
A picture is worth a thousand words but a video is worth a million.

P.S
Does a serious audio discussion forum really need smileys?
Title: Trying a little something something
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-07 05:25:05
Right, I'll enable the embedding, for whatever it's worth.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-09 17:42:09
Migration complete. Complain away.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: IgorC on 2016-01-09 19:05:44
hi, kode54.

It seems like polls don't work https://argonaural.io/index.php/topic,108125.0/viewresults.html
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Nick.C on 2016-01-09 19:38:25
Liking the new style - thank for making the effort to migrate the forums! :D
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2016-01-09 21:31:41
Hmm, minor stuff:
- the blue member rank squares are not quit in line with the rest of the blue hues.
- same with the "forum has new posts" folder icon
- is it me or is the currently selected topic on the crumb bar using too dark of a blue hue?
- imho the gradient at the bottom of the page is too light in the middle. Typing into quick reply and it's constantly drawing my attention for some reason

edit: the foobar2000 forum description has a huge gap between the two lines.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-01-09 22:52:54
Some comments:

1. The old [topic] links are coming up like:
Code: [Select]
[a href=\\\'index.php?showtopic=63984\\\']Columns UI gallery[/a]
(on e.g. this thread: https://argonaural.io/index.php/topic,28647.0.html )

2. Another glitch here, seemingly with bullet points:
https://argonaural.io/index.php/topic,110938.0.html

3. On a Nexus 5, there is a weird gap on the right-hand side of pages:
http://imgur.com/JY0ZZbO

If it's not obvious, it's the dark blue bar on the right edge. You can emulate it using the Chrome responsive tool.

4. On small screens, user names next to posts are right-aligned (see previous screenshot). I'd prefer them to be left-aligned, near the avatar. I don't really look where they currently are when I'm reading a thread.

5. There are some problems with word wrapping on small screens in thread lists:
http://imgur.com/i1Pu6Zy

6. This would probably be the forum software, but the standard date/time formats are not what I would consider correct. I would not use a leading zero on the hour in a 12-hour clock, neither would I put a leading zero on the day in a date when the month is spelled out. However, I've just changed my date format in my profile, by using %-d for the day and a 24-hour clock (as I prefer).

7. There are more subjective. I'm not really a fan of the text shadows and gradients on e.g. section headings. Similar for the buttons that are in caps. Also I used to use the 'Hosted sites' links on the left-hand side on the front page.

8. There are loads of separate, unminified JavaScript files being included in the pages. https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights is worth a look.

That's only from a quick look round, I'm sure I'd have more if I spent more time on it ;)

Edit

9. One more, the quotes in some forum descriptions have escape characters in front of them, e.g.
Quote
General audio discussion. All topics which don\'t fit to other forums should go here.
for General audio.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: 2012 on 2016-01-10 00:11:44
(https://archive.org/download/unsorted_files/ha.png)

When the page is incrementally zoomed in, the "Subject" column gets smaller and smaller until the table is responsively replaced.

Wouldn't it be better if min-width was set for the "Subject" column, and the table is replaced when there is no space for, let's say "Latest Post"?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: eric.w on 2016-01-10 00:12:23
Nice work!

My only nitpick is "Recent Topics" is missing from the homepage https://argonaural.io on my Nexus 4 (Android 5, Chrome), unless I use the "Request Desktop Site" feature.

Also, "Recent Topic" isn't very usable on a narrow screen - you can see this if you just resize your browser window to be the width of a phone screen - each post takes up 5 lines of text, plus a blank line with an icon. The old forum homepage / recent topics list was really nice on a smartphone screen.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-10 00:39:39
Again, style sheet changes welcome at the linked repository.

Also, sadly, this script does not support multiple polls per topic, so polls will need to be split up, and I'll need to somehow restore the polls that are broken.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: chibisteven2 on 2016-01-10 04:49:20
Bug report:

I'm unable to login to my account, completely locked out.  :(

Keeps saying my password is incorrect, it's odd because I used the same password to this one and was able to login.  I've tried password resets but I never received any e-mails.

I have a hotmail account registered to the other one and wondering if their issue with hotmail and the new forum?

Like to get my old account back.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-10 06:24:56
You should be able to receive a password reset mail now that I've switched the server to use Mailgun. The new server will use whatever Spoon suggests is best.

E: I've "fixed" the polls. Well, sort of. The multiple questions are still backed up in the old database, and this new forum doesn't support multiple choice polls yet. Boo.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Chibisteven on 2016-01-10 08:33:45
You should be able to receive a password reset mail now that I've switched the server to use Mailgun. The new server will use whatever Spoon suggests is best.

Now I can log back in!  Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-10 10:45:42
@kode54 I notice the stylesheet post-migration is all-in-one, making it harder to distinguish which files should be changed. Guessing this is to reduce server requests. Will pull requests still auto merge into the mega-blob stylesheet?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-10 15:05:18
Sent Items in messages is empty for me and a bit unfortunate the recent topics at the main page can't be jumped to the last page directly.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: eric.w on 2016-01-10 18:02:15
@Wombat I was thinking the same, but found that clicking on the date/time will jump to the last post.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-10 18:05:48
@Wombat I was thinking the same, but found that clicking on the date/time will jump to the last post.
Cool!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-11 00:23:32
@kode54 I notice the stylesheet post-migration is all-in-one, making it harder to distinguish which files should be changed. Guessing this is to reduce server requests. Will pull requests still auto merge into the mega-blob stylesheet?

Yes, the merged style sheets are automatically minified from the full style sheets and cached. It will probably be easier from now on to do style sheet tweaks with in-browser inspectors, rather than looking at the minified source code.

Sent Items in messages is empty for me and a bit unfortunate the recent topics at the main page can't be jumped to the last page directly.

I'll see if I can fix that. The messages should still exist in the database, they were probably imported incorrectly at one stage.

E: I'll try to work on multiple choice polls, too, if I can. I'll need to code the multiple choice system into the table and into the theme first, then code it into the poll handler, mainly the part that handles receiving the votes and writing them into the database. Currently, it only supports "multiple votes", which means voting once on any given choice, then voting again, possibly on the same choice.

I also need to set all the polls to display results only for voting, if possible.

The poll data is all there for all the old polls, and the poll log is there for all the old choices, as well as any possible new choices. Poll log is quite simple really, contains a log of poll ID, choice ID, and member ID. These can be recounted to regenerate the total vote counts for each poll as well.

A lovely problem is that the data was not correctly imported for multiple question polls.

The old IPB system also stored polls in a nasty way. Instead of breaking them down into a table of polls/questions, and a table of poll choices, it had everything compacted into single PHP serialized arrays containing the following:

Old format:

Code: [Select]
Array
(
    [arbitrary id #]
      => array(
        [0] => choice #,
        [1] => "Answer",
        [2] => total votes for this choice
      ),
    [another id#]
      ... etc ...
);

The new format, on the other hand, is as follows:

Code: [Select]
array(
    [arbitrary question id #]
      => array(
        ['question'] => "the poll question goes here",
        ['multi'] => (integer, whether this is a multiple choice question),
        ['choice']
          => array(
            [choice #] => "choice",
            ... etc ...
          ),
        ['votes']
          => array(
            [choice #] => (total votes for this answer),
            ... etc ...
          )
      ),
    [another arbitrary question #]
      ... etc ...
);

The database has polls in both formats, and it seems the easiest way to detect it is to iterate the array, checking the first item whether it contains an array index named 'choice', as the 'question' one can sometimes be missing, or empty.

E2: Excellent. It appears I made a good choice when configuring the importer to convert the old "codebox" tags to simply "code" tags in the new forum, as this forum's style has a nice scrolling code box if they're too tall.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-11 09:50:07
First of all, congratulations on getting it this far (and Open Source forum software to boot!). It 'feels' very good so far.

Just wondering, is there a reason the forum defaults to the American date/time notation [Month DD YYYY, HH:MM:SS (am/pm)] instead of the common [DD Month YYYY, HH:MM:SS (24hr)]?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Keiro on 2016-01-11 17:58:11
First of all, congratulations on getting it this far (and Open Source forum software to boot!). It 'feels' very good so far.

Just wondering, is there a reason the forum defaults to the American date/time notation [Month DD YYYY, HH:MM:SS (am/pm)] instead of the common [DD Month YYYY, HH:MM:SS (24hr)]?

See: My Account > Look and Layout:
Code: [Select]
Time Format
Help  The format here will be used to show dates throughout this forum.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Gecko on 2016-01-12 06:35:09
Wow, this still feels so different!

Thanks kode54 for your efforts and for implementing the changes to the recent topics. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2016-01-12 08:35:36
It feels different for sure, but not bad at all. I like the theme, and everything seems to be a little faster too.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-12 10:42:35
First of all, congratulations on getting it this far (and Open Source forum software to boot!). It 'feels' very good so far.

Just wondering, is there a reason the forum defaults to the American date/time notation [Month DD YYYY, HH:MM:SS (am/pm)] instead of the common [DD Month YYYY, HH:MM:SS (24hr)]?

See: My Account > Look and Layout:
Code: [Select]
Time Format
Help  The format here will be used to show dates throughout this forum.
Thanks, I had found and changed that. However, I was wondering why the default is a notation only used in one country when this is an international forum and the majority of the users would use a different notation.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: carpman on 2016-01-14 04:47:06
Just a few points on the new forum:

Bugs: All codebox data has disappeared, eg:
https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,83954.msg724899.html?PHPSESSID=c0oln0ekjd3flvh546pk48nr26#msg724899

Formatting suggestions:

1) Left adjust text in "Forum" and "Topic Starter" columns.
2) Widen Forum column (at expense of "Subject") so all forums fit on one line, if possible. Long "subject titles ....." can generally be inferred enough and on visiting the topic the title is there in full anyway.
3) Set a min width for Subject (I think this has already been suggested).
4) Topic Heading in the post (non bold white on dark blue with shadow is hard to read).
a) Why not lighten the blue (so it's still darker than the header row, and make it black bold text without any shadow), or,
b) Make the white a strong bold and get rid of the shadow. Shadows are always horrible to read IMO.

I'm sure when all the minor bugs and formatting issues are resolved, in 6 months we'll struggle to remember what the old forum used to look like. That said, [ONLY] in its present incarnation, on a purely superficial basis I currently prefer the look of the old one.

C.

EDIT:
1) Would be nice (if possible) to know who is looking at the post as per old version. Is that possible?
2) I'd adjust max-width max-height on the avatars: <img class="avatar avatarresize"> some are looking very large (though this seems to be only when not logged in - curiously).

(http://s10.postimg.org/8l38hq8vd/ha_forum_issues_01a.png)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: o-l-a-v on 2016-01-14 11:28:27
New forum looks and feels awesome :)

Really like the dark theme, but there are some graphical glitches. For instance, no arrow appears for the collapsable boxes
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-14 12:30:39
Just a tip. I had some trouble logging in. I got error messages saying something along the lines of "unable to verify the referral URL".

As I tried to find steps to reproduce it, it seems to have been resolved. This makes me think it might be a cache issue. Anyone trying to log in and getting a similar error message should try and empty their cache and reload the tab/window to see if that solves it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: zeremy on 2016-01-14 14:36:55
The bookmark plugin would be a nice addon.
Installed. Looks fine. It may need a minor change to display the topic links like the portal currently does, namely with link to new posts and unread posts.

It seems the bookmark plugin got lost somewhere during the migration process as it is not available anymore?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Rollin on 2016-01-14 15:49:44
Anyone trying to log in and getting a similar error message should try and empty their cache and reload the tab/window to see if that solves it.
Yes. I also couldn't log in and emptying cache solved problem.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-14 15:51:15
Formatting suggestions:

1) Left adjust text in "Forum" and "Topic Starter" columns.

I'm sure when all the minor bugs and formatting issues are resolved, in 6 months we'll struggle to remember what the old forum used to look like. That said, [ONLY] in its present incarnation, on a purely superficial basis I currently prefer the look of the old one.

The Forum and Topic Starter columns were actually center aligned to match the original design. Personally think they look nice centered but others may disagree.

Actually quite liking the lack of 'Who is browsing this topic', too few forums hide it and I've never understood the real value in it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: marc2003 on 2016-01-14 16:41:32
There seems to be an issue with login/cookies. If I browse to https://hydrogenaud.io and log in, that works fine. But if then visit https://www.hydrogenaud.io, I'm not logged in. I only noticed because I was testing incoming links from elsewhere were re-directed correctly - which they are.

edit: logging in at https://www.hydrogenaud.io redirects to https://hydrogenaud.io - perhaps all www links should be redirected to avoid confusion??
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: lvqcl on 2016-01-14 17:14:15
I can see messages in my Inbox, but not in the "Sent Items". Are they lost?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Gecko on 2016-01-14 18:14:30
Any chance of getting back the location and date registered information underneath the user avatars?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-14 18:32:04
I can see messages in my Inbox, but not in the "Sent Items". Are they lost?
Known issue, probably not lost:
https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,110890.msg914383.html?PHPSESSID=10vckjjkn0f2iirp7dvahl0ib0#msg914383
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: yourlord on 2016-01-14 18:34:16
Nice work and thank you for your efforts!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: recur on 2016-01-14 20:12:01
I only got one question - how do I turn HA look from ugly to normal back again?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Wombat on 2016-01-14 20:42:36
I only got one question - how do I turn HA look from ugly to normal back again?
You can switch back with the first button you see directly after the 'unsubscribe from this forum' action. Please test it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: recur on 2016-01-14 21:26:37
I only got one question - how do I turn HA look from ugly to normal back again?
You can switch back with the first button you see directly after the 'unsubscribe from this forum' action. Please test it.

Hey, thanks for info. I tried to look for it but to no luck. So I've read some wiki and it says that such button is only visible for members of this forum who belong to the group of 'Confirmed Dickheads'. Certainly you must know how I could join it, hell, maybe you could say a word for me to whoever's in charge of submitting into the group? Because if it by joining it I'd gain the ability to turn the look of the forum back to non-clusterfuck style, I would consider it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: DustMagnet on 2016-01-14 23:01:00
I only got one question - how do I turn HA look from ugly to normal back again?
You can switch back with the first button you see directly after the 'unsubscribe from this forum' action. Please test it.

Hey, thanks for info. I tried to look for it but to no luck. So I've read some wiki and it says that such button is only visible for members of this forum who belong to the group of 'Confirmed Dickheads'. Certainly you must know how I could join it, hell, maybe you could say a word for me to whoever's in charge of submitting into the group? Because if it by joining it I'd gain the ability to turn the look of the forum back to non-clusterfuck style, I would consider it.

Your influence here is rapidly diminishing. Unless HA suddenly values douchebags.

I think the new forum is a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-15 00:12:38
It seems I forgot to add the original site domain to the ReCAPTCHA site key, so registration was broken temporarily, as was any other action that required verification. This is fixed now.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Zarggg on 2016-01-15 00:31:15
Is it possible to remove the PHPSESSID parameters from links for logged-in users?

Edit: Saw the earlier post about anonymous users, so clarified my question.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: funkyblue on 2016-01-15 01:48:05
Anyway to replicate the old home page with recent topics? On mobile it just goes to all the forums.

Great work btw :)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Ed Seedhouse on 2016-01-15 02:54:09
I, too, would prefer black text if the background has to be bright white..

The contrast should be as high as possible for proper accessibility.  Straight black (#00000) for text and white (#FFFFFF) should be the standard for content intended to be read.  Also the proper font hight should be specified in the CSS as 1em.  I do not come here for visual beauty, I come here for information.  Lots of the older audiophiles among us (oh, for example, me) have eyes that need lots of contrast.

Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-15 03:05:48
The font size is already 1em for most text, and only variations of em sizes for different styles.

Style sheet contributions are welcome, including a whole new theme set if you prefer a high contrast design.

PHPSESSID in query string has been fixed, it was a bug with the queryless URLs replacement system, which didn't check for the presence of a cookie before inserting the session ID parameter. It also now checks if the client may be a robot or search engine, in which case it also eliminates the session IDs.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ghostman6842 on 2016-01-15 03:57:37
Is anyone having problems logging in? The minute the new forums went active, I could NOT login without having either two things happening:

1) A message stating my browsing session had "expired"

2) After typing in my username and password, getting a message stating I had to enter either one or the other to have my account details sent to me via email (I never got my e-mail at all)

IMO, some users account info got lost with the migration. Forcing some, like me, to create new accounts and start all over again, losing everything I had before! I would've loved to contact a moderator about this, but this "brillant" redesigned forum wouldn't even let me contact one! If there isn't a way to do this without having a account here in any way shape or forum, how can anybody get help??? Talk about asinine!

BTW: Why did there have to be a redesign anyway? The other version worked just fine for me!

BTW2: To other users going through something similar, I feel for you. I really do!  :(  >:(  ::)   :(  >:(  ::)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-15 04:00:14
Account information was not lost in the migration, except for some old password hashes failing, requiring a recovery. If you PM me your old account name, I'll look into recovering it for you.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Ed Seedhouse on 2016-01-15 04:39:42
The font size is already 1em for most text, and only variations of em sizes for different styles.

Good - that's the right way.  I have no particular quarrel with the site design except I would suggest that the main body of a post be full white, with quotes in a very light yellow or maybe blue for visual contrast.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-15 05:09:27
Sorry for the mail failures, everybody. This damn machine didn't have any default SELinux profiles for anything, so I had to scan the audit log for every process and find what to add for nginx, php-fpm, sendmail, and postdrop.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Elbart on 2016-01-15 07:06:39
In the previous forum-configuration, the "Unread"-feature was not listing any new posts in the foobar-subforums/"hosted forums".

Now, they're all listed, and it's rather spammy. Is there any way to ignore them and not list them on the unread-posts-page?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: audiophool on 2016-01-15 07:10:11
Thanks so much, for me, this is a HUGE improvement (with the old forum soft, I always found fonts too small on Firefox Mobile).

One litte thing: I think the "mark forums read" (or similar) button could be positioned more prominently.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-15 07:33:09
The bookmark plugin would be a nice addon.
Installed. Looks fine. It may need a minor change to display the topic links like the portal currently does, namely with link to new posts and unread posts.

It seems the bookmark plugin got lost somewhere during the migration process as it is not available anymore?
Certainly seems to be installed.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: andy o on 2016-01-15 09:21:17
Looking good, great job!

A few things I'm missing though. I'd like to echo Gecko to get the "date registered" under the user's name. Also, I used to click on the link on the right bottom corner of the recent posts in the homepage, I think it was "all recent topics" or some such, which took me to a page with the latest topics from all the forums, including fb2k ones and others that don't show up in the homepage. Also, I used to choose the time interval (usually a week to catch up). Is there a way to do that in the new layout?

And a request, if possible. What I've missed all these years from this forum is an auto-subscribe option like so many other forums have. Basically you can choose to subscribe to a thread once you reply to it, and have all the threads you've participated in in a "subscriptions" section. The notifications option doesn't really cut it, and the "new replies" section gets emptied when you click on a topic to see it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Pusherman on 2016-01-15 10:48:07
Is there any way to identify new posts in threads?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-15 11:27:11
Is there any way to identify new posts in threads?
On a related note, what I miss from the old forum is an option to straight to the last page of a thread. You used to be able to click 'Last' from the Recent Topics index.

Am I missing something? Is that a feature that can be enabled? Or should we just learn to live without?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: The Link on 2016-01-15 11:52:05
Am I missing something? Is that a feature that can be enabled? Or should we just learn to live without?
Just click the date of the last post.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: TempAJ on 2016-01-15 12:07:17
Could not log in under my account,  cleared cache etc.
No lost password emails being received. Any way forum could set up temp email account like hydrogen audio at Gmail so members who can't log in can contact admin?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2016-01-15 12:14:15
Can you login if you use the "login" button at the top of the page, instead of the login box to the left side of the front page?

That worked for me, but of course YMMV.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Kamedo2 on 2016-01-15 12:18:38
I tried the mobile page. I have to say the loading is slow.
PageSpeed Insights is a great tool to detect problems and speed up the loading. Please consider following these guidelines.
https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?hl=en&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhydrogenaud.io%2Findex.php%2Ftopic%2C110890.150.html&tab=mobile
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-15 12:53:34
Am I missing something? Is that a feature that can be enabled? Or should we just learn to live without?
Just click the date of the last post.
Brilliant, that works a charm. Thanks!

It's actually a prettier solution too as it doesn't clutter the index.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: TempAJ on 2016-01-15 13:47:56
Can you login if you use the "login" button at the top of the page, instead of the login box to the left side of the front page?
No.
..and again, how would a member contact admin, if they can't log in?
I would bet many members might be having similar issues, hence my suggestion for a temp email for contacting admin.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: zeremy on 2016-01-15 13:51:01
The bookmark plugin would be a nice addon.
Installed. Looks fine. It may need a minor change to display the topic links like the portal currently does, namely with link to new posts and unread posts.

It seems the bookmark plugin got lost somewhere during the migration process as it is not available anymore?
Certainly seems to be installed.

I'm sorry but I do not see "My Bookmarks" in my account menu  or a "BOOKMARK" button at the top of a topic.

(http://i.imgur.com/tj0p5L9.png)

edit: Is it enabled at Administration Center > Configuration > Add on Settings > Miscellaneous ?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: bilbo on 2016-01-15 16:39:21
I also had a major problem logging in. After several tries with the emailing a new password failed, I set up a new account to discuss the issue. tried one more time   with the emailing a new password, and this time it worked. Who knows!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: bilbo on 2016-01-15 16:42:27
Is there a way to see recent posts for a longer time period? In the old forum, one could hit the "more" button to see additional recent posts  that I hadn"t read, ie: little red mark. You could even select a time frame like "past week" etc .
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ExUser on 2016-01-15 16:44:52
I'm quite surprised at how little has changed, all things considered. Well-done!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: korth on 2016-01-15 17:55:35
Could not log in under my account,  cleared cache etc.
I still can't log in from the top or side of https://www.hydrogenaud.io/index.php
but I can log in from any other page (this topic page for example) that has the username/password boxes at the top.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2016-01-15 20:09:35
Actually quite liking the lack of 'Who is browsing this topic', too few forums hide it and I've never understood the real value in it.
It's there, just at the top of the thread now. I don't view it as useful either, unless it also shows that people are currently typing a post. That way I can wait for them to post their reply before making my own, or verify my post is still relevant before submitting it.

What I've missed all these years from this forum is an auto-subscribe option like so many other forums have. Basically you can choose to subscribe to a thread once you reply to it, and have all the threads you've participated in in a "subscriptions" section. The notifications option doesn't really cut it, and the "new replies" section gets emptied when you click on a topic to see it.
I'm pretty sure it's already there in the settings, under notifications. "Turn topic notification on when you post or reply to a topic" seems to be what you want.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ajinfla on 2016-01-15 21:56:02
Can you login if you use the "login" button at the top of the page, instead of the login box to the left side of the front page?
No.
..and again, how would a member contact admin, if they can't log in?
I would bet many members might be having similar issues, hence my suggestion for a temp email for contacting admin.

Ok, tried logging in once more, lost password message finally showed up in my inbox this time. Reset password and now able to log in. Mods, please delete "TempAJ" account, thanks.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: andy o on 2016-01-16 00:35:45
What I've missed all these years from this forum is an auto-subscribe option like so many other forums have. Basically you can choose to subscribe to a thread once you reply to it, and have all the threads you've participated in in a "subscriptions" section. The notifications option doesn't really cut it, and the "new replies" section gets emptied when you click on a topic to see it.
I'm pretty sure it's already there in the settings, under notifications. "Turn topic notification on when you post or reply to a topic" seems to be what you want.
I'm not sure exactly how notifications are working here, but I was going by the eevblog forums, which offer similar notification options when I said the notifications doesn't really cut it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but notifications sends you an email, besides notifying you in the forum. Also, I'm not sure that read notifications don't get erased from the notifications panel. I'm not sure if there's one notification for one thread, or just the notifications in chronological order. Thread subscriptions like almost all other forums have is cleaner, you have all your threads in that section and they get bumped up when someone repliles. The ones with new replies are in bold, the read ones in normal font. And you can choose not get emails.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-16 07:31:07
I didn't realize Bookmarks needed to be allowed per member group.

Email is currently semi-broken, since there was no PTR (reverse resolve) record set for it, but that should be fixed now. If there are still problems, then I will configure Mailgun for this domain and use that instead.

E: I also made the scripts asynchronous, but I won't take that profiler's advice when it comes to making CSS asynchronous, since the page is essentially a mess without its style sheet.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Kees de Visser on 2016-01-16 12:02:19
If there are still problems, then I will configure Mailgun for this domain and use that instead.
Problem solved. I couldn't log in and never received a reset password email, until 1 hour ago. Thanks.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: LedHed8 on 2016-01-16 14:42:54
The new forum system looks great and works well.  Thanks for all of the hard work!
Best Regards,
LedHed8
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on 2016-01-16 18:31:50
With a quick mark forums read and the link to unread posts updated in my bookmarks, I'm set to go! It even knew my password without any reset stuff.

One quick grumble: ctrl keys like -i  and -b  for text formatting do not work. But hey, I know where the square brackets are on the keyboard.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-16 20:37:29
Might be worth considering including the 'Quote' buttons even when logged out, since it's often easier to respond to a post directly rather than logging in from the top of the page then going back down to the post and hitting the quote button. On the other hand it makes the pages look cleaner without it. Perhaps they could appear on hover when logged out. Would be interested in others' thoughts.

Btw, is it just me or did the dynamic Mention feature get disabled ("@user" dropdown/linking)? Hopefully it still triggers a mention notification.

Also, looks like there's no text formatting/smileys on the post preview page, unless something hasn't loaded properly on my end.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: smz on 2016-01-17 00:57:01
Hey, great job with the new site! Very, very nice!

There are a couple of rough edges, though, that I would like to point out (sorry if they have been already addressed by someone else...):

- In the old "front page" I could choose the period for which "recent posts" were displayed (one week, one month...): apparently this is not possible any more and I think is quite a loss

- The URLs format to posts has changed (which is quite obvious... different platform, different router) but this is IMHO (and in my experience as a web developer / host) a *major* issue as all external (think Google...) **and internal** links to posts created before the switch-over are not working any more. A compatibility URL rewriting mechanism, I think, is urgently needed. If the posts IDs are the same as before, this can probably be done directly in .htaccess through Apache's mod_rewrite Nginx's NginxHttpRewriteModule.

Cheers!


Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: smz on 2016-01-17 01:00:13
Oops... As far as regards URL rewriting, I've just realized we are under Nginx and not Apache, but I think the same can be done with NginxHttpRewriteModule (although I've never played with it...)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-17 01:52:41
- In the old "front page" I could choose the period for which "recent posts" were displayed (one week, one month...): apparently this is not possible any more and I think is quite a loss
There is currently no quick mechanism to launch a search of recent topics for any given period, that I know of, or I would have provided just such a link.

- The URLs format to posts has changed (which is quite obvious... different platform, different router) but this is IMHO (and in my experience as a web developer / host) a *major* issue as all external (think Google...) **and internal** links to posts created before the switch-over are not working any more. A compatibility URL rewriting mechanism, I think, is urgently needed. If the posts IDs are the same as before, this can probably be done directly in .htaccess through Apache's mod_rewrite Nginx's NginxHttpRewriteModule.
I am already rewriting several different legacy URLs that existed in the /forums/ subdirectory, please point out any existing links which don't work yet, and I'll get them implemented as well. Rather than using explicit URL rewriting, I instead chose to use 301 redirects to the new location.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: smz on 2016-01-17 02:04:33
I am already rewriting several different legacy URLs that existed in the /forums/ subdirectory, please point out any existing links which don't work yet, and I'll get them implemented as well. Rather than using explicit URL rewriting, I instead chose to use 301 redirects to the new location.

Yes, 301 is the right thing to do, I agree. But, you can do that automagically with URL rewriting *IF* the posts IDs are the same. The HUGE benefit would be that external links (e.g. from other sites) will work too.

I stumbled upon a broken link (actually the *first* I tried and that what pushed me to write my post): I will PM you as soon as I'll figure out which one it was (sorry... bad memory... have to check my browsing history...)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-17 02:45:46
.org links are currently broken, because I apparently wasn't clear enough when I said I needed the records for .io reset to the new server, that we may need the .org domain reset as well.

Old style links on the new domain will redirect to the correct places, but only a select range of requests:

Code: [Select]
    location @old_forums {
        if ($args ~* "/?showforum=[0-9]+") {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/board,$arg_showforum.0.html;
        }
        if ($args ~* "/?act=SF&s=(|.+?)&f=[0-9]+") {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/board,$arg_f.0.html;
        }
        if ($args ~* "/?showtopic=[0-9]+&view=findpost&p=[0-9]+") {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/topic,$arg_showtopic.msg$arg_p.html#msg$arg_p;
        }
        if ($args ~* "/?showtopic=[0-9]+") {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/topic,$arg_showtopic.0.html;
        }
        if ($args ~* "/?showuser=[0-9]+") {
            return 301 "$scheme://$host/index.php?action=profile;u=$arg_showuser";
        }
        return 301 $scheme://$host/;
    }

    location /forums/ {
        try_files $uri @old_forums;
    }

    location ~ /forums/index.php$ {
        try_files $uri @old_forums;
    }
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: smz on 2016-01-17 02:51:43
seems correct... (at first sight!)

Problems in the .org are present only when you have www (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org) and not just the naked domain (http://hydrogenaudio.org).
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-17 03:07:01
I've amended the redirection handler to be a bit nicer:

Code: [Select]
    location @old_forums {
        if ($arg_showforum ~ ^[0-9]+$) {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/board,$arg_showforum.0.html;
        }
        if ($arg_act = "SF") {
            set $test_sf A;
        }
        if ($arg_f ~ ^[0-9]+$) {
            set $test_sf "${test_Sf}B";
        }
        if ($test_sf = AB) {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/board,$arg_f.0.html;
        }
        if ($arg_showtopic ~ ^[0-9]+$) {
            set $test_showtopic A;
        }
        if ($arg_view = "findpost") {
            set $test_showtopic "${test_showtopic}B";
        }
        if ($arg_p ~ ^[0-9]+$) {
            set $test_showtopic "${test_showtopic}C";
        }
        if ($test_showtopic = ABC) {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/topic,$arg_showtopic.msg$arg_p.html#msg$arg_p;
        }
        if ($test_showtopic = A) {
            return 301 $scheme://$host/index.php/topic,$arg_showtopic.0.html;
        }
        if ($arg_showuser ~ ^[0-9]+$) {
            return 301 "$scheme://$host/index.php?action=profile;u=$arg_showuser";
        }
        return 301 $scheme://$host/;
    }

    location /forums/ {
        try_files $uri @old_forums;
    }

    location ~ /forums/index.php$ {
        try_files $uri @old_forums;
    }
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: funkyblue on 2016-01-17 06:34:18
If you have access to the org domain, why are we sticking with the io? Just curious.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: carpman on 2016-01-17 08:02:51
@ kode54

The bugs I'd mentioned have all been sorted out. Forum functionality is working well for me. So thanks.

Still a few superficial elements that I'd change. But clearly what pleases one will annoy another. The only suggestion I'll remake is regarding the use of shadows on text. To me it's unnecessary and looks naff - it just looks cleaner without IMO. See pic.

(http://s12.postimg.org/rcx1nbwf1/ha_forum_font_suggestion_01a.png)

One final suggestion re. functionality.

Where you have:  Community | Forum | My Messages | Mentions (not sure what this is) | New Posts etc ...
Would it be possible to have a button to see one's own posts. "My Posts". Rather than have to go to My Account > Forum Profile > Profile Info > Show Posts.

Cheers,
 
C.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Sander on 2016-01-17 10:05:30
The new forum software has marked ancient accounts (mine, for example) as "watching" / "subscribed to" ancient threads (despite such accounts never having consciously taken such an action), and thus spams them if such threads get a reply. This is rather annoying, particularly as there doesn't seem to be a global override available to turn this functionality off completely.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: fals33 on 2016-01-17 10:15:40
Could not log in under my account,  cleared cache etc.
No lost password emails being received. Any way forum could set up temp email account like hydrogen audio at Gmail so members who can't log in can contact admin?

:(

Same problem for me, my password is no more recognized and when i ask to email for reseting password, no emeial received at all, tried many times, many days ...

so i'd to register a new account "fals33", instead of my old previous one (since 2006) which is "Falstaff"

who can help me to bring me back my original "Falstaff" account ?  Thank you

https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php?action=profile;u=37463
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: dhromed on 2016-01-17 10:23:21
Hu, I thought the forum had a "go to latest unread post" feature, but I can't find it anymore. It's just a link to the beginning or a link to the very latest post.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Brother John on 2016-01-17 10:37:08
@dhromed
In the forum’s thread list threads with unread posts have a “New” button that links to the first unread post (see attachment).

@kode54
Is there a way to put attached image files into the post directly? That would be a handy feature for posts like this one.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-17 10:43:10
Still a few superficial elements that I'd change. But clearly what pleases one will annoy another. The only suggestion I'll remake is regarding the use of shadows on text. To me it's unnecessary and looks naff - it just looks cleaner without IMO. See pic.

With that text rendering it's fairly harsh mmm, and the solid shadow doesn't help. Made some variations to compare to using softer and transparent shadows. The second last variant (soft/0.3) provides a subtle touch of contrast. Thoughts?

(http://i.imgur.com/QwR1SYx.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/yLgtkAv.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Y3y2g2m.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/N6wpoeU.png)

From top to bottom: original, soft shadow 0.5 opacity, 0.3 opacity, no shadow.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: carpman on 2016-01-17 10:46:38
Yeah, the bottom 2 are fine IMO.

C.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Anakunda on 2016-01-17 12:14:28
Very nice  :-X Will the new board support Tapatalk ?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Soap on 2016-01-17 15:24:06
1 - Is there no longer a way to ignore users?

2 - I'm not a fan of user ranks ("Hero Member"?) based on post count.  Gamifying quantity over quality tends to encourage some undesirables.

Other than that looks good so far and pretty darn smooth transition!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: itisljar on 2016-01-17 16:01:23
Soap, when you get HERO status, new, download-only subforum will become accessible :)
JK, of course... status like that doesn't get users anything, at least not here.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: carpman on 2016-01-17 16:49:42
2 - I'm not a fan of user ranks ("Hero Member"?) based on post count.  Gamifying quantity over quality tends to encourage some undesirables.
Yeah, I agree with Soap re. Hero business - I preferred the old style. Didn't it have something like Year joined plus no. of posts and/or member number. That seemed more refined.

C. 
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: NEMO7538 on 2016-01-17 16:51:50
Congrats for the porting. Very nice result indeed !
Could we have access to some pagination in the "recent topics" section of the foobar forum ?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-01-17 16:55:26
More feedback:

1. I collapsed the header using the button in the top-right corner of the page. Now, on every page I go to, there is an animation of the header collapsing on page load. (Also, after collapsing the header, loading another page, and then expanding the header, the logo doesn't reappear until the next page load.)

2. This post (https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,61145.0.html) has a bunch of attachment tags in the message which seem to be broken now (not the attachments, just the links in the message).

3. On small screens, the front page displays 'User info'/'Who's online'/'Board stats'/'Theme select' before 'Recent topics'. I would say 'Recent topics' and the news posts should be before all those other things.

4. On small screens, the format of the 'Recent topics' on the front page isn't easy to read - not sure why it is formatted differently from the topic lists in individual forums.

5. I find it difficult to work out what the icons at the top of the page on small screens do. A menu with text links might be better. Also the link to the foobar2000 forum seems to disappear on small screens.

6. On small screens, the text in the breadcrumbs bar is heavily truncated (screenshot attached). Not sure what the best fix would be though – maybe it doesn't need to display the lower levels at that screen size.

7. I'm pretty sure some PMs have disappeared from my inbox in the last few days or so.

8. Does the forum really need to greet me with 'Hey'? 'Hi' might be a bit more international.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: andy o on 2016-01-18 02:32:59
Thank you for enabling Bookmarks. Is there a way to auto-bookmark when you reply to a thread?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: dhromed on 2016-01-18 11:50:53
@dhromed
In the forum’s thread list threads with unread posts have a “New” button that links to the first unread post (see attachment).

Ahh, thanks.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: carpman on 2016-01-18 12:02:53
(http://i.imgur.com/QwR1SYx.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yLgtkAv.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y3y2g2m.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/N6wpoeU.png)

From top to bottom: original, soft shadow 0.5 opacity, 0.3 opacity, no shadow.
Hmmm, Coreda's look a little bolder - but anyway -- big improvement! Thanks kode54, clearly a lot of hard work - looking really good.

C.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-18 13:07:07
4. On small screens, the format of the 'Recent topics' on the front page isn't easy to read - not sure why it is formatted differently from the topic lists in individual forums.

The styling is mainly a stop-gap as the original styling displayed the cells inline and was fairly unreadable. The inherent difference is due to the home page using table elements while the sub-forums use divs which allow the re-arrangement of their position. With table cells its far more restrictive. Depending on how the template is it may be able to be converted to divs instead which would allow the styling to match.

Hmmm, Coreda's look a little bolder - but anyway -- big improvement! Thanks kode54, clearly a lot of hard work - looking really good.

That's MacType, a ClearType adjustment utility for Windows. Didn't like W8's default text rendering.

Also, is anyone else experiencing being directed to an empty page when logging in? Only time it doesn't do this is on the home page.

(http://i.imgur.com/LiZQ98Y.png)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: tuxman on 2016-01-18 18:48:52
Oh, I'm late to the game.

While I generally like ElkArte (I contributed some things in their early development stage), I'm not terribly happy about the change here. The new IPB 4.1 is actually really, really nice. But then again, it lacks support for BBCode completely...
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: tuxman on 2016-01-18 18:51:15
Will the new board support Tapatalk ?

There is no Tapatalk (http://www.elkarte.net/community/index.php?topic=3217.msg22719#msg22719) for ElkArte (yet?).
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: tuxman on 2016-01-18 19:34:38
BTW:

ElkArte says I have 1 unread PM.

My Inbox says I don't.

Help?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: carpman on 2016-01-19 11:22:09
Also, is anyone else experiencing being directed to an empty page when logging in? Only time it doesn't do this is on the home page.
Yeah, I get that too. Would be nicer to be returned to the page from where you logged in.

C.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: zeremy on 2016-01-19 11:52:03
Custom buttons created with Ultimate Menu are not visible in mobile mode.

(http://i.imgur.com/6ekY5Ve.png)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-01-19 12:58:06
I noticed one more thing, the strikethrough text in this migrated message isn't showing up (leaving bullet points of just 'won't implement'):
https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,58351.msg525549.html#msg525549

(The original is on archive.org (https://web.archive.org/web/20150622004909/http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=58351).)

ElkArte says I have 1 unread PM.

My Inbox says I don't.
It sounds similar to the problem I've having with PMs – I can't see the last few messages I received.

Looking more closely, it says I have 586 messages, but it is displaying 309 messages in my inbox (12 pages of 25 plus a page of 9) and 358 in my sent folder (25*14+8). Combined, that makes 667 messages. Not sure if it's indicative of anything, but the last two messages on the last page are in the wrong order as well.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-20 03:05:49
Hopefully fixed PM counts, and definitely fixed strikethrough tag conversion.

Ultimate Menu request is in the works.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: tuxman on 2016-01-20 04:55:09
My PM counter looks OK on mobile now.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-01-20 12:42:12
I might be imagining things but the new forum software feels a lot quicker than the old one.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: dhromed on 2016-01-20 16:18:04
> the new forum software feels a lot quicker than the old one.

Also, every time my game gets an update patch, the graphics look better. ;)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-21 21:05:11
Also, is anyone else experiencing being directed to an empty page when logging in? Only time it doesn't do this is on the home page.
Yeah, I get that too. Would be nicer to be returned to the page from where you logged in.

Just logged in and seems fixed, cheers kode!

Bug heads up: while searching HA via Google noticed that all 'lofi version' link redirections are broken. Example link (http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums//lofiversion/index.php/t104200.html). Rather than redirect to the original thread it returns the home page.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-22 03:40:35
Lofi version shouldn't even be coming up in search results. Unless they were only withholding the results because of the previous robots.txt.

E: Lofi links should now permanently redirect. Not much I can do about the start offset into the topics, since lofi links specified relative post indexes, while ElkArte needs absolute post IDs.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Garf on 2016-01-22 07:24:19
I might be imagining things but the new forum software feels a lot quicker than the old one.

The old forums blocked us on very old versions of some of the core software. One reason for the upgrade was to be able to run more modern stuff. So it's probably not just your imagination.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-22 16:11:37
Lofi version shouldn't even be coming up in search results. Unless they were only withholding the results because of the previous robots.txt.

E: Lofi links should now permanently redirect. Not much I can do about the start offset into the topics, since lofi links specified relative post indexes, while ElkArte needs absolute post IDs.

Nice. Pity the page offset can't be converted over, since various results contain page-specific links, but I guess it's the best that can be done.

Anything that can be addressed about findpost? Came across a few URLs (example (https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=890369)) that referenced specific post links and was redirected back to the home page.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-22 17:41:26
That would require an addition to the site script, since it doesn't support that on its own.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Keiro on 2016-01-22 22:05:09
Making progress on StopForumSpam... unfortunately, it'll be a little longer before it's ready for use in production forums such as this one.

@kode54 do you want to take a look and see if you need to make any sort of modifications to make it work the way your custom SFS did?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-23 09:52:23
That would require an addition to the site script, since it doesn't support that on its own.

Sure. Hopefully sometime a fix will be possible, since for large threads especially it's a bit of a problem as some go on for dozens to even hundreds of pages.

For what it's worth, found that the page start number is the same from the old results:

https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=77883&st=2375

And can be used on the new URLs:

https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,77883.2375.html

Useful for anyone coming across them and wanting to find the same page.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-24 01:22:00
I have fixed both showtopic= plus st=, and also act=findpost. Any others to report?

E: Just fixed searching in forums with subforums, so they always search child forums as well, at least when using the quick search at the top of the page.

Also fixed the spell checker function, which I forgot to install an aspell dictionary for. I also didn't know I needed to totally restart php-fpm after installing said dictionary.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2016-01-24 10:55:18
Is there a way to list ALL unread topics since your last visit without having to click "recent unread topics -> all unread topics" every time?
It seems the intended function of "recent unread topics" is to be just that - listing topics that have new posts since your last visit. However, even though I mark all threads as read after looking through the list, the next time I come back it does not list all unread topics.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-24 17:26:42
I have fixed both showtopic= plus st=, and also act=findpost. Any others to report?

Hmm, st= redirects not working on the example link above, but maybe I'm misinterpreting what the fix is.

The auto draft saving feature is useful, is there a limit to the number of drafts, or settings for them?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Keiro on 2016-01-24 17:28:53
I have fixed both showtopic= plus st=, and also act=findpost. Any others to report?

Hmm, st= redirects not working on the example link above, but maybe I'm misinterpreting what the fix is.

The auto draft saving feature is useful, is there a limit to the number of drafts, or settings for them?

Limits on how many drafts there are is admin-configurable. The setting for those're also admin-only. No user-accessible settings.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Grogdor on 2016-01-24 18:38:45
Very slick! Smokin fast, light and usable, doesn't hurt my eyeballs with Silence (Dark) theme and can always make minor theme adjustments via Tampermonkey and uBlock Origin ;)

Minor gripe: on the Change Theme page (found via My Account... Look and Layout... Change Theme button...) there's two redundant theme sections for "Forum or Board Default" and  "ElkArte Default Theme"
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Sandrine on 2016-01-24 19:04:38
The old RSS feeds are gone. There only seems to be one feed for all forums now.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-25 02:12:13
As mentioned earlier, the feed is configurable, through the same arguments as the SMF feed. Do I need to add a template bit to inline a feed for just the current subforum or topic on every page of the forum?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Elbart on 2016-01-25 07:02:13
Is there a way to list ALL unread topics since your last visit without having to click "recent unread topics -> all unread topics" every time?
It seems the intended function of "recent unread topics" is to be just that - listing topics that have new posts since your last visit. However, even though I mark all threads as read after looking through the list, the next time I come back it does not list all unread topics.
Just now it only listed the new posts from the last 8 hours for me, although my last visit was about 24 hours ago.
Weird feature.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-01-25 09:16:28
Not weird when you consider that people have only posted in about 12 topics in the last 24 hours, if that many.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: smok3 on 2016-01-25 09:17:09
Imho the left column on front page is kinda spammy (user info, whos online, ...), looks better without it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: marc2003 on 2016-01-25 10:56:14
I don't suppose there is an option/add-in for searching within threads? I just realised I'm missing the search box from the bottom left of every page on the old forums.

edit: Answered below
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-01-25 11:27:52
I don't suppose there is an option/add-in for searching within threads? I just realised I'm missing the search box from the bottom left of every page on the old forums.

The top-right search box has become the contextual search. So entering a query there in a thread searches the thread, entering it on a forum searches the forum. I've seen another board do this, it takes a little getting used to.

If the default text changed depending on the context it might help. Such as 'Search topic', etc.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: marc2003 on 2016-01-25 11:44:17
Thanks for the pointer!
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2016-01-25 20:56:34
Not weird when you consider that people have only posted in about 12 topics in the last 24 hours, if that many.
My point was that it doesn't list all topics since your last visit, but maybe it's not supposed to. I'm also not sure what the "updated topics" link is supposed to do, half the time it's either empty or only contains 1-2 topics.

I'd really prefer to have a link to a list of all threads that had new posts added since my last visit, as the old forum did.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: mjb2006 on 2016-01-25 21:54:54
I'm having trouble understanding the Unwatch and Watch functionality. When I am logged in and viewing a thread, there is an Unwatch button. This suggests that I am watching that thread. I can click it, and it becomes Watch.

The Unwatch button appears on every thread, so apparently they are all watched by default? Is that how it is supposed to work?

What does watching a thread even mean?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Elbart on 2016-01-26 07:12:38
Not weird when you consider that people have only posted in about 12 topics in the last 24 hours, if that many.
Which now takes two clicks to get to.

Fixed it for me with a Greasemonkey-script:
Code: [Select]
// ==UserScript==
// @name        hydrogenaudio unread
// @namespace   hydro-forum-fix
// @include     https://hydrogenaud.io/*
// @version     1
// @grant       none
// ==/UserScript==
var els = document.getElementsByTagName("A");
for(var i = 0, l = els.length; i < l; i++) {
    var el = els[i];
    el.href = el.href.replace(/hydrogenaud.io\/index.php\?action\=unread$/ig, 'hydrogenaud.io\/index.php\?action\=unread\;all\;start=0');
}
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-02-02 04:27:31
Found some other URL formatting from the previous site that currently redirect to the OP rather than the specific page.

Examples:

https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums//lofiversion/index.php/t63984-600.html
https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums//lofiversion/index.php/t62114-900.html
https://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums//lofiversion/index.php/t77883-1200.html

Not sure how Google handles redirects for results. Does it eventually update to the new URL or crawl the new pages and find the same result? If the latter then it wouldn't be so bad.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-02 07:55:17
Fixed.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Coreda on 2016-02-02 11:13:05
Fixed.

I notice that the fixes only affects single forward slashes rather than the (admittedly odd) double forward slashes that all the URLs from Google's results share.

Original link (doesn't redirect):
(https://i.imgur.com/bbdJfWn.png)

Manually changed to single forward slash (does redirect):
(https://i.imgur.com/hlXuxtj.png)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2016-02-02 12:36:32
Where has the "report post" button gone to?

(Sorry if you've covered this).

Cheers,
David.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: KozmoNaut on 2016-02-02 13:35:07
Where has the "report post" button gone to?

(Sorry if you've covered this).

Cheers,
David.

It's under the "More..." button on the bottom right of posts.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: 2Bdecided on 2016-02-02 15:37:08
Thanks.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: ChronoSphere on 2016-02-02 17:39:03
Not weird when you consider that people have only posted in about 12 topics in the last 24 hours, if that many.
Which now takes two clicks to get to.

Fixed it for me with a Greasemonkey-script:
Code: [Select]
// ==UserScript==
// @name        hydrogenaudio unread
// @namespace   hydro-forum-fix
// @include     https://hydrogenaud.io/*
// @version     1
// @grant       none
// ==/UserScript==
var els = document.getElementsByTagName("A");
for(var i = 0, l = els.length; i < l; i++) {
    var el = els[i];
    el.href = el.href.replace(/hydrogenaud.io\/index.php\?action\=unread$/ig, 'hydrogenaud.io\/index.php\?action\=unread\;all\;start=0');
}

I guess this will have to do in the meantime, thanks. On the other hand, having an extension installed to save you one click is kind of an overkill.

Another thing that has been mentioned here before (I think) was that now foobar2000's threads are also listed in the unread section. I'd prefer to be able to filter them out, as I'm not really interested in them.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-02 18:42:50
Original link (doesn't redirect):
(https://i.imgur.com/bbdJfWn.png)

Manually changed to single forward slash (does redirect):
(https://i.imgur.com/hlXuxtj.png)
Both redirect here, and the result of the old redirect is probably cached by your browser, because it obeys the 301 Moved Permanently response. Safari here queries the old link for a response regardless.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Maurits on 2016-02-02 21:56:15
There are strange character issues in old posts in https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,2645.0.html and likely elsewhere too.

It's probably got something to do with escape characters and the apostrophe in the conversion process. It could be as simple as just doing a one time scan in the database and strip out all instances of \\\ as there are precious few legitimate reasons to use three slashes.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-03 01:46:14
Fixed with a simple SQL query.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Zarggg on 2016-02-08 16:32:13
I just noticed that two forum descriptions contain escaped quotes in the text displayed on the page. Maybe an extra \ in the forum settings?

News Subscriptions: Submit news for validation. Validated news will appear in the \"Validated News\" -forum and on the front page.

Lossless / Other Codecs: General discussion of lossless audio compression and other lossless codecs like ALAC, Monkey\'s Audio, WMA Lossless, OptimFrog, LA, LPAC, Shorten, TAK etc.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-10 08:59:10
Fixed now.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: poppooAndyH-ha on 2016-02-10 11:17:02
I am exceedingly displeased with this change of forum. I have been a member here for more than ten years, as user AndyH-ha. I did not forget my password; something was screwed up with the new software and I am unable to sign on as I have been doing for years.

I tried the retrieve password procedure, entering my user name. Unfortunately the user name was all that was asked. It will not work because, years ago, the acceptable e-mail addresses did not include yahoo. I set up an account on a friend's business system in order to be able to join. I don't recall what that address was except that the first part of the address was "probably" andy. The account was only for getting me onto the forum, never for any other use. That business went away years ago. Therefore, what ever "password recovery" message was went out can never be retrieved as the system, and the account thereon, no longer exists.

Of course now I can't re-register as the same user because this broken system thinks I am not the person I have always been. It will, without reasonable intervention, hold my user name as unuseable for, probably, as long as the forum exists. There has to be a way to fix it  --  aside from human intransigence. Please change the AndyH-ha email address to my real email address:
ahahx@yahoo.com
so the password can be straightened out for me to use my account.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Soap on 2016-02-10 18:38:01
While y'all are at it please change the kode54 email address to my real email address:
kode54@cleansoap.org
so the password can be straightened out for me to use the my account. :D
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: void. on 2016-02-10 20:35:37
Dunno, but I couldn't login with my old account (g0a). Maybe something with special chars in passwords and I couldn't reset either as I no longer have that mail address. Not that I care too much, just saying as there might be others affected.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: AndyH-ha on 2016-02-10 21:17:58
It turns out the email address did, sort of work. The link was forwarded to me with the following message and I was able to restore balance by entering a useable password.

Is this of interest or even real?   I don't have this email in our email domain currently, but maybe we had it in a prior time when I was using a different service provider.  that account would have vanished, however, quite some time ago.

Dear AndyH-ha,
This mail was sent because the 'forgot password' function has been applied to your account. To set a new password, click the following link:

I'm glad to have provided some amusement but I find the attitude rather obnoxious.

Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Kamedo2 on 2016-02-11 01:10:46
Can we stop shrinking the http images we have posted in the past? It's easier to see the original sized image on the same page, and fetching from crowd to crowd is of least security concern.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-11 05:53:04
Of course you didn't change your password. The forum change broke all existing passwords due to incompatible password hashing methods. And I will not be changing this forum's password hashing method to match IPS 2.x.

The IPS password hashing method is:

md5(md5(salt) . md5(md5(password)))

The ElkArte password hashing method uses phpass (http://www.openwall.com/phpass/) v0.3, and with this server configuration and the default calling parameters to it, if the password is not exactly 64 characters, it is first turned into an SHA-256, before being passed through phpass. phpass on this server is allowed to use its first method, Blowfish, and the default is 2^10 iterations.

I will not be supporting fallback on the insecure method.

As for shrinking http:// images, that is because the server does not keep local copies of the full size images it proxies. If you want full size images, change the links to https. Or maybe convince web browser products not to consider mixed content degraded security.

Progress may or may not be made in the realm of detecting when a user's email address no longer functions, by detecting bounced messages on the server and notifying the user through the web page. I will update as I hear more on that.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Kamedo2 on 2016-02-11 12:33:20
As for shrinking http:// images, that is because the server does not keep local copies of the full size images it proxies. If you want full size images, change the links to https.
I cannot change the links posted by Guruboolez, but I would like to see his excellent readability being kept. If you can keep the thumbnails, you can also keep local copies of the full size images and discard thumbnails. Full size images occupy less server storage. Look at the images of those listening tests and compare the file size.
http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Private_Listening_Tests
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: musicmusic on 2016-02-11 19:26:29
The forum started logging me out every time I restarted my browser (despite me selecting the option to stay logged in permanently). I went to wipe the site's cookies to try and fix it and found it had created 150 cookies (basically one for each thread I had been on). Is that really necessary? Anyway, I wiped all the cookies and now it is remembering my login state properly.

The forum change broke all existing passwords due to incompatible password hashing methods.
Did it really break all passwords? I'm still logging in with the same one.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Keiro on 2016-02-12 06:03:46
The forum started logging me out every time I restarted my browser (despite me selecting the option to stay logged in permanently). I went to wipe the site's cookies to try and fix it and found it had created 150 cookies (basically one for each thread I had been on). Is that really necessary? Anyway, I wiped all the cookies and now it is remembering my login state properly.

The forum change broke all existing passwords due to incompatible password hashing methods.
Did it really break all passwords? I'm still logging in with the same one.

Yes. Yes, it did. Remember, kode54 had to first convert IPB 2.x to PHPBB3 SMF to even make it work. Then he had to convert it over to ElkArte. Probably because the converters recognized the hashes and were able to convert them correctly and didn't for those it didn't recognize, in addition to what kode54 said in his post about that.

The only way to fix it permanently is to force a password-change e-mail to be sent out to everyone on the forum even if you already changed your password... in my opinion, anyway. It'd be the fastest and easiest way to fix the issue permanently.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-12 06:04:46
*SMF. But I think he gets the idea.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on 2016-02-12 15:57:18
Did it really break all passwords? I'm still logging in with the same one.

Me too.

.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-13 04:10:33
I see. It has a huge collection of migration addons that check the database's password length, and the presence of a salt, and generate alternate hashes to verify against. If it passes, it replaces the database entries with newly generated password and salt based on the correct password.

Did any of you whose accounts failed have leading or trailing whitespace on your passwords? Invision would have trimmed that off before hashing and storing the hash. I've added a workaround that trims passwords as well before generating a hash that's IPS Board 2 style.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-21 06:55:26
Bumping this topic with another news bulletin. One of the importers, be it SMF's or Open Importer, managed to litter 10921+ accounts worth of password salts with backslashes to escape characters that presumably would need to be quoted before insertion. Unfortunately, the way they were inserted, escaping wasn't necessary, so the backslashes went in with the salts.

Since IP Board 2.x salts are not meant to contain backslashes, and in fact they automatically become ASCII 93, a right square bracket, I safely fixed the 10921 remaining accounts by stripping out the backslashes. Those accounts should be able to log in now and upgrade their security, without requiring the email based recovery system.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: marc2003 on 2016-02-21 12:33:38
There seems to be a problem with search. After you follow a search result, when try and go back, the page is expired. Tested with 2 browsers...

(https://i.imgur.com/F8POc2g.png)


Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Zarggg on 2016-02-21 23:24:38
Are you using your browser's "back" functionality, or are you navigating using the website's links?

If the former, the reason is explained on the error pages: Local caches are not maintained for dynamic content (i.e., search results) when browsing SSL-enabled sites.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: marc2003 on 2016-02-22 02:26:37
Yes, I used the back button. How else would you get back to the search results? This does not happen with IPB (previous forum software), google and too many other sites to list (all using https).
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: PeteG on 2016-02-22 03:45:23
How else would you get back to the search results?
Keeping the search results in its own tab and open new tab(s) with the relevant hit(s)?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: marc2003 on 2016-02-22 04:28:27
I could also refresh the page but that's not the point. If people can't see this is not normal then just forget it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: PeteG on 2016-02-23 21:31:37
It was not my intention to offend, sorry.

Maybe a site admin will be able to shed some light on the matter.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-02-25 03:59:54
I've got nothing.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: j7n on 2016-03-01 05:38:17
I see that error page in Firefox. Opera 12 works as expected – the previous page of search results is retrieved from cache. Among other things, Opera also saves form input in case of (accidental) navigation back and forward, also on SSL sites. Opera is known for slightly more aggressive approach caching. It's a shame the browser got discontinued... Opening of the results in new tabs seems like the wise thing to do in general (in case the search results change, as a new page is retrieved, or the server goes down while reading).

I wanted to ask if the historical mirror of the Frank Klemm's site is gone for good? It used to be hosted here until the move to the new site.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/musepack/klemm/www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-03-01 06:51:03
Moved back to the live web root.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-03-06 22:31:14
Bumping to report that we are currently using SendGrid to send email. This means we may reach more inboxes. The problem now is that I cannot whitelist a naked domain for web links, so all links in the messages end up decorated with sendgrid.com addresses identifying the exact account that is sending the mail, and also get decorated with javascript and other junk to hide this. This may trip up some clients' scam detection algorithms.

It's the difference between using this and actually reaching inboxes, to using direct Postfix and mail silently being dropped by major providers like Google, Microsoft, and Yahoo.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: xnor on 2016-03-06 22:47:29
The "@user" syntax naturally does not like spaces in usernames. Is there a way around that?
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-03-07 04:30:09
The tab completion box, which only works from the full post page, completes recent poster to this, with the space on the end. Which presumably doesn't work at all.

@Thad E Ginathom

Oh, it does. The space is essential, as is the capitalization. If you need to do it manually, copy their user ID number, and use the member BBC tag. But using the tab complete box from a full submit page is what I did, and it completed it to their name, with a single space after it.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Shinsekai on 2016-03-07 18:18:43
Bumping to report that we are currently using SendGrid to send email. This means we may reach more inboxes. The problem now is that I cannot whitelist a naked domain for web links, so all links in the messages end up decorated with sendgrid.com addresses identifying the exact account that is sending the mail, and also get decorated with javascript and other junk to hide this. This may trip up some clients' scam detection algorithms.
I had trouble getting the confirmation email to activate my account. It seems the issue is solved for OpenMailBox users.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: Thad E Ginathom on 2016-03-07 20:22:20
The tab completion box, which only works from the full post page, completes recent poster to this, with the space on the end. Which presumably doesn't work at all.

@Thad E Ginathom

Oh, it does. The space is essential, as is the capitalization. If you need to do it manually, copy their user ID number, and use the member BBC tag. But using the tab complete box from a full submit page is what I did, and it completed it to their name, with a single space after it.

It's a pity you chose me, as I detest this arbitrary use of @ in front of a name, especially mine! But, if the software actually recognises it, then I guess it is not so arbitrary, and my I don't use Twitter or Facebook is no longer a good reason to complain about it.  :))

While I'm here, and more seriously, could we have the basic CTRL key combinations for italic, bold, underline? Most of the forums I frequent use them and it is a strong habbit
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: xnor on 2016-03-07 20:25:42
@kode54 @Thad E Ginathom
test :P

edit: Okay, it does work. That's nice.

While I'm here, and more seriously, could we have the basic CTRL key combinations for italic, bold, underline? Most of the forums I frequent use them and it is a strong habbit
I sure hope there will be one for <blink>! :P
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: yanni on 2016-03-07 20:35:01
There seems to be a problem with search. After you follow a search result, when try and go back, the page is expired. Tested with 2 browsers...
For what it's worth, the search results page currently sends the following headers (among amothers):
Code: [Select]
cache-control: private
pragma: no-cache
expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT
Removing the pragma statement seems to fix the problem.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: funkyblue on 2016-03-07 23:08:58
Is there a way to get the email notice to contain some of the recent posts?
Title: Forum Suggestion: Show Post Count per Thread in the Topic List
Post by: Jerry9 on 2016-05-14 20:40:42
MY SYSTEM
Windows 7, 64-bit
Firefox v42

TOPIC
Forum Suggestion:  Show Post Count per Thread in the Topic List

BACKGROUND
When you look at the list of threads (topics) for any of the HA forums categories, there is no indication whether the thread is new (meaning it has never been replied to). The only indication, that I can see, is the "NEW" marker. But that only indicates there has been a new post added to the thread, NOT that the thread has no replies yet.

SUGGESTION
Is there a way to provide a "post count" for each thread? A "0" would indicate no replies. That way, you can tell if a thread needs a first reply or not.

(My apologies if this topic has already been addressed, I searched and couldn't find it.)
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: kode54 on 2016-05-15 00:24:41
There is a posts and view counts column, but it's hidden if your browser window is not at least 1024 pixels wide.
Title: Re: Migrated to a new forum system
Post by: bandpass on 2016-05-21 07:16:30
There's an inconsistency in the way the blue 'New' icon is displayed: it's placed to the left of a thread title, but to the right of sub-forum title.  This can be confusing, especially since the sub-forums are listed horizontally so that the 'New' icon appears between sub-forum titles.  Also, perhaps the hyphen separator there could be changed to a | for greater clarity.
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