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We have compiled a page with full results of dBpowerAMPs new secure ripping method and how it compares with EAC:

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm)

If your interest is secure ripping, try dBpowerAMPs R12 secure ripper and report your results:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=9739 (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=9739)

can dMC be configured as to what consitutes an AccurateRip match? Is a match of 1 good enough for dMC to stop the ripping process? I would like to be able to configure this option personaly.

BTW, the ripper is working wonderfully Spoon. Im sure its going to replace EAC, especially with AMG metadata support.

Is R12 released or is this just more propaganda? 

Latest news on dbpoweramp.com is about m4a codec pack.

Is R12 released or is this just more propaganda? 

It is not officially released yet, dMC r12 is available in alpha-version. Just follow this link (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=9739) that Spoon provided in post #1 of this thread.

My initial tests give me mixed results when compared to EAC with my various drives.

One thing I can say is that it can't touch the performance that I get from Plextools with my PX-716A with the discs I have tested that are defective enough to give errors but not too much that an accurate rip isn't possible.  It seems that EAC does a better job with this drive also.

I have a rebadged Plextor that EAC does not report as providing C2 information yet R12 says it does though using it gives bad results.  I have another drive that provides C2 pointers to EAC but gives in returns an error when checking the option in R12.

If I could get a detailed explanation of how Ultra Secure Ripping and the various options work, I may be able to perform more efficient tests.

EDIT: I think the performance of R12a4 is very encouraging.  Also, I'd like to know exactly what the program is doing when dealing with bad frames.

It may be worth sending/selling these discs to spoon for further dev if he is interested.

EDIT: I think the performance of R12a4 is very encouraging.  Also, I'd like to know exactly what the program is doing when dealing with bad frames.

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm)

Quote from: greynol on 2006-08-19 23:36:01

EDIT: I think the performance of R12a4 is very encouraging.  Also, I'd like to know exactly what the program is doing when dealing with bad frames.

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm)

XX (user configurable) tries on bad frames or until 10 match. 

Sorry for the delay I was away.

The re-ripping of bad frames should be the same in EAC as dbpoweramp, and even plextor - there is only one show stopper there and that is the CD cache - you have it configured correctly?

Unlike EAC with dBpowerAMP R12 if the drive supports c2 pointers then have the c2 pointer option checked, it will help identify bad frames. If your drive has a good c2 implementation and you are happy with it then have no ultra passes (it will be just like plextools then), for a poor c2 implemented drive have atleast 2 ultra passes.

What settings are you using?

there are not any differences in r12 and eac when using accuraterip without c2 correction right??

based on the flowcharts they seem to be doing the same thing or am i missing something?

hey spoon I have what appears to be a qsi bw242u cdrw/dvd drive in my dell 5150 inspiron laptop and eac detecs c2 error correction and i havn't been able to get R12 to detect it at all.  Does anyone know if theres a sure fire way to test or find this information out? thanks.

Hey Spoon,

The AccurateRip results look very promising. My concern, however, is what does dMC do with regard to gap detection and what is in the gaps? Half my reasoning for using EAC is I can get a perfect copy of a CD in FLAC, including all the gaps between tracks: can dMC do this too?

Thanks,
smiler

gaillard

>based on the flowcharts they seem to be doing the same thing or am i missing something?

They are fundamentally different, in that dBpowerAMP works on complete passes where EAC works on small chunks.

If a drive supports C2 then you need a CD with scratches and a c2 error pointer should be flagged when doing the test. Your windows log on needs admin rights to read c2 from the cd drive.

smiler

Every CD ripper includes the gaps, that is how they work, you need special code to detect and remove the gaps.

Is there any reason eac, cdspeed, and nero info detect c2 from the same cd but R12 doesn't?  does that mean if i were to rip that cd with r12 it isn't using c2 correction (anyway to test that?)

Also spoon i posted on your forums about the wavpack command line in r12. I can't get it to work with "-h - [outfile]"
"-h [infile] [outfile]" rips and encodes to 99% and then freezes.  wavpack_debug just says the three arguments like this.

arg 1: -h
arg 2: C:\DOCUME~1\JONATH~1\Desktop\SARAHB~1\SARAHB~3.WAV
arg 3: C:\DOCUME~1\JONATH~1\Desktop\SARAHB~1\SARAHB~1.WV

thanks spoon, your a great help

can dMC be configured as to what consitutes an AccurateRip match? Is a match of 1 good enough for dMC to stop the ripping process?

I would love the answer to this question too if you don't mind spoon. I believe in your specs you said a confidence of 5 could be a good start but what is the program set on?

Is it possible to rip the CD as an image+cue? I think AccurateRip doesn't support it.
I have all my CDs as images+cue and would like to keep it that way, though.

Wavpack command line is:

-i -y -w "artist=[artist]" -w "title=[title]" -w "genre=[genre]" -w "album=[album]" -w "year=[year]" -w "track=[track]" - [outfile]

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Images are currently not supported, but when they are they will work with AccurateRip.
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Currently ripping will finish with a single confidence match with AccurateRip (unless C2 pointers are enabled and there is a C2 error)

>qsi bw242u cdrw/dvd

You know I hate that drive  it is purged from AccurateRip for having different offsets with either firmware versions or drive revisions.

About C2, dBpowerAMP uses a cd read call using MSF rather than LBA, it could be the firmware of that drive does not support c2 and MSF addressing.

hey spoon,

I just updated the firmware to u27 from u25 on that qsi 242 drive and now pretty much every cd the program reads just says can't read cd.  But it will now detect c2....

do i just need a new drive?

Take a big hammer...

If I get the plexor 230A (any reason i shouldn't? or better for that price range?) will it give that error the same as my qsi 242 does now? that the cd can't be read.  I understand if it finds the errors, and i want it to if there are there but shouldn't it still be able to read all cd's???

ok i got the plexor 708a dvd drive for this new software.  I don't see why people on hydrogenaudio are not making a bigger deal of this.  With Eac, if there is an error on the disk that repeats on the re-reads then your files will have errors in them! and if you enable c2 with eac then its soley reliant on c2.  This software will use c2 and then re-reads for things that c2 misses.  Thats as good as it gets right?

maybe there is just something i don't know...

With Eac, if there is an error on the disk that repeats on the re-reads then your files will have errors in them! and if you enable c2 with eac then its soley reliant on c2.  This software will use c2 and then re-reads for things that c2 misses.

If EAC detects the error from a C2 pointer and the error is consistent (it repeats), your file is still going to have an error because C2 is not used during re-reads.

If EAC's using C2 pointers and an error is missed it will be passed along since no re-reads will take place since EAC's detection of errors is, like you said, solely reliant on C2 pointers.

EDIT: Anyway, this topic is about dBpowerAMP not EAC.  To steer this portion of the discussion back on topic, it seems as though spoon's ripper has "Advanced code to detect when drive is interpolating and hiding errors."  Does this mean that it also has some immunity to consistent errors that EAC doesn't have?  It seems as though EAC has no immunity.

well just the fact that this ripper uses re-reads even if c2 doesn't report an error is a dramatic improvement.

I think i read in his technology preview that it said it also used c2 IN the re-reads as well...

As far as i know c2 is the protection against consistent errors and re-reads is the protection against inconsistant, which is why it makes sense to me to use them both whereas plextor tools and eac don't... correct me if i am wrong spoon about c2 erros mostly being consistant.

Think about the worst case of c2 (in its usage in dBpowerAMP, EAC is different), perhaps you have a case where c2 is reporting an error which is not there - dbpoweramp will go through the process of re-ripping (that sector) around 40 times, if the CD is in accuraterip it will verify correctly at the end.

If a error slips past c2 undetected the re-read (programmable times) will hopefully pick it up.

so yes, this implementation of c2 is designed to be as good as it gets.

I think i read in his technology preview that it said it also used c2 IN the re-reads as well...

C2 is not used during re-reads with EAC.

As far as i know c2 is the protection against consistent errors and re-reads is the protection against inconsistant, which is why it makes sense to me to use them both whereas plextor tools and eac don't...

A C2 pointer may spot an inconsistent error but upon re-reads, EAC will likely consider the consistent error good.

Again, EAC offers very little (if any) immunity to consistent errors.  This is one instance where spoon's new ripper has the opportunity to offer some significant improvement.

spoon what kind of SECURE settings for the secure mode would you recommend?  like minimum re reads 10 max 16? pass on 8?

thanks!

Depends on your drive, for a good drive which implements c2 I would use 1 minimum ultra pass, finishing on 1 clean pass.

A poor drive without C2 then have a relatively high number of ultra passes (min 6, finish after 3, max 10 or 16).

Drives in the middle adjust accordingly.

Well I gotta give this program some props. There are a few CD's in my collection that never ripped quite right in EAC. They would hang and never rip... no matter how long I left it, even in burst mode. All of a sudden I give this thing a shot and BAM! perfect rips. Keep up the good work. Can't wait for the final release. I'll be one of the guys switching from EAC.

I'm also interested in this especially if and when it supports Accuraterip with ripping to a single file instead of tracks.

why not rip to individual files?

why not rip to individual files?

Primarily for later extraction of hidden track one audio (HTOA) (e.g. via acdir), but also for creating "perfect" archives of CDs.

-brendan

Quote from: gaillard on 2006-09-04 01:35:29

why not rip to individual files?

...for creating "perfect" archives of CDs

Regardless of HTOA or anything else, this can be accomplished just as completely through the ripping of individual files.

EDIT: (Provided your hardware and software allows for the extraction of HTOA.)

Maybe I've over looked this some where but is there a proposed release date on this ripper yet? Or is it still too early to say when? And by release I mean NON-alpha versions. Something considered stable.

Full release should be end of this year, betas when the suite is complete (so the CD Ripper could be finished but it still be in an alpha). No one has reported a single crash with R12 yet, so it seems very stable despite being an alpha.

Ya,

The program seems to be pretty rock solid from what I've seen. I personally haven't had any crashes with it so far either. I just can't wait to use external encoders with it. You do plan on doing that right?

There is the CLI encoder for it, that will work with any external compressor.

let me see if I understand this right. I've got a pretty good C2 capable drive

Pass 1 reads the cd checks for C2 errors

Then Ultra Secure mode makes additional passes to flag any errors that were missed.

Now the "end after clean passes" i'm a little confused about. Does the ripper end the ultra-secure ripping after "x" number of passes where no new errors are found?

If so, I like progress of the ripper so far

I will say myself though, it's not perfectly stable, the cd ripper gives stange errors with my usb cd-rom and if i change from the default controls to aspi, it just locks up completely

One more thing i'd like to know is how many re-reads would be recommended...i see you tested using 48, but the default is now 34. Most likely though, I'll start at a higher number and just adjust until the ripping speed of my more scracthed cds becomes optimal

>Does the ripper end the ultra-secure ripping after "x" number of
> passes where no new errors are found?

Yes as long as it satisfies the minimum value set.

Which Windows version are you using?

There is an issue with high number of re-reads (if no c2 is used) that is if you did 1000, there is a very high chance of 10 matching even though those that match are errors (on one of the obscure drives I tested this was a real problem, it needed a relatively low 34 value to detect errors as errors).

Well the issue I'm having doesn't really have to do with the ripping stage, it's the program in general

it's a Lite-On LTR-24102B in a USB enclosure, my interal LG drive works fine

using scsi pass through, it'll give me an error about not being able to read the cd when i rip in burst mode. When I try to detect the cache for secure mode, it finds the cache, but when it tries to test the size of the cash it keeps saying there's no cd in the drive.

Now if i switch to Nero ASPI, it rips in burst mode fine, but once again, when I try to detect the cache (I know this drive caches for a fact) it sees the cache but the program completely locks up upon detecing the cache size.

It is almost certainly poorly written drivers / chipset of usb enclosure.

It is a pretty cheap enclosure, I'll just have to install it back into my old desktop and try it from there.

anyone have a plextor 708a and are getting c2 error reports with dbbpoweramps detector?

mine is not getting any and i would like to make sure its just my drive...

don't know whether to hope it is or isn'  t!

There will be a new version of CD Ripper soon that uses readcd12 0xBE rather than Read CD MSF (this is still used if a drive has a negative offset correction so that is can read into the lead in, 0xBE cannot read negative into the lead in), this thread has proven some drives have problems returning C2 error pointers (athlough a px708a is not one of them). We are diagnosing the missing c2 from your plextor on dbpoweramps forum.

If anyone else has a Plextor px708a - does the C2 detect work on your system (options >> secure settings >> detect c2 pointers)?

what are the differences between how dbpoweramp and eac call for the c2 erros? or between cdspeed as well

There is an issue with high number of re-reads (if no c2 is used) that is if you did 1000, there is a very high chance of 10 matching even though those that match are errors (on one of the obscure drives I tested this was a real problem, it needed a relatively low 34 value to detect errors as errors).

This problem only occurs without C2? So in the case that all my drives support C2, I could use any number of re-reads, even over 1000 if I so desire (even though I won't go that high), and not risk it incorrectly reading errors?

Correct.

If anyone else has a Plextor px708a - does the C2 detect work on your system (options >> secure settings >> detect c2 pointers)?

C2 detection worked OK with my PX708A.

Found the problem, only the first 5 tracks were being used for C2 detection (in the detection routine only, not ripper). Next alpha will fix.

In the first hour of use dBpowerAmp Music Converter has crashed on me twice. Once opening the Options window and the other whilst trying to figure how to change the Artist name for a various Artist CD (never did figure that out  ).
If it helps:

Faulting application cdgrab.exe, version 12.0.0.2, faulting module ntdll.dll, version 5.2.3790.1830, fault address 0x00020dce.

This is a fairly fresh XPPro 64 installation. AMD64 3800+ 1 GB RAM.

On my system, the software always starts maximized and I am unable to cancel a rip (at least when doing a test conversion).

Is anyone else having these problems?

Yes, mine always starts maximised. It would be nice if it remembered the size the application was when you exited but I don't mind either way.

I wouldn't know how to cancel a rip, I see no stop/cancel button.

After working with this for a while with my Plextor, I think it would be nice to have the ability to control a few more items.

I am still unsure about how C2 pointers are used during re-reads.  Does it re-rip until 10 tries do not have E32 flags and result in identical data?

I think it would be good to have control not only over the over the maximum number of number of re-reads but also over how many identical matches occur before re-reads finish when C2 isn't being used.  When C2 is being used, I think it would be good have the option to use C2 exclusively during re-reads regardless of the data, a mix of C2 and matching data, or (like EAC) no C2 at all during re-reads.  It might also be useful to be able to separately specify the number of tries that must result in no E32 flags before re-reads finish.

Some examples:
- re-read until X identical matches, at least Y of which aren't flagged as being uncorrectable up to a maximum of Z attempts (Y<=X<=Z).
- re-read until X identical matches of Z attempts (no C2, even though C2 was used to flag bad prior to re-reads).
- re-read until no E32 flags occur of Z attempts (exclusively use C2).

I don't think it would make sense to allow a minimum number of attempts without E32 flags that is larger than 1 if the data isn't being taken into consideration.  If it happened that multiple tries without E32 flags delivered different data, how would the software deide on what data to use?

Finally, ATM, the software will allow the user to enter a smaller number for the Minimum Ultra Passes than the End After Clean Passes setting.  I find this to be misleading and somewhat confusing.

If a number smaller than the End After Clean Passes number is entered for the Minimum Ultra Passes, it should automatically revert to End After Clean Passes number.  If the End After Clean Passes number is increased as to become larger than the number of Minimum Ultra Passes, the Minimum Ultra Passes number should automatically change and be made the same as the End After Clean Passes number that was just entered.

To cancel click the Rip button again.

>Does it re-rip until 10 tries do not have E32 flags and result in identical data?

Yes

I didnt want to go overboard with options, too many options and people would not have a clue how to set it up.

I am not too sure what the combinations of c2 would achieve, for example if c2 was wrongly being reported, then at the end it would be marked as insecure, but Accuraterip would still have the chance to verify it (if there was a fault in c2 detection, it wouldn't overly be a problem in the case of false positive).

>change the Artist name for a various Artist CD (never did figure that out  ).

Select 1 track (see the artist box go blue) now type in the artist box and just that tracks artist will change (ofcouse compilation needs to be checked).

To cancel click the Rip button again.

I tried that, it didn't work.  It paused for a moment and started the ripping the current track over again from the beginning.

I didnt want to go overboard with options, too many options and people would not have a clue how to set it up.

I understand.  Would an advanced window with a restore to defaults button be feasible?

I am not too sure what the combinations of c2 would achieve, for example if c2 was wrongly being reported, then at the end it would be marked as insecure, but Accuraterip would still have the chance to verify it (if there was a fault in c2 detection, it wouldn't overly be a problem in the case of false positive).

I mention this because I am able to get correct results always from PlexTools and frequently from EAC for tracks that I can rarely get ripped correctly using your program regardless of the settings.  I'm hoping you might be able to get your program to behave more like EAC or PlexTools through an extra user-configured setting or two.  Considering that re-reads are exclusively done with C2 when the setting is checked, I would think that I'd get results similar to PlexTools.  Unfortunately this is not the case, which is why I asked.

Did my comment about Minimum Ultra Passes being smaller than End After Clean Passes make sense, or am I not understanding this properly?

It could be the Rip button will not unclick in the current alpha (I fixed an issue with that and thought it was a newer bug, but perhaps not).

>I mention this because I am able to get correct results always from PlexTools and frequently from EAC

You will have to ellaborate, on how many tracks, how many discs? what is classed as a correct result? (the rip is shown to have an error? or plextools can rip any badly scrashed cd thrown at it  ).

You will have to ellaborate, on how many tracks, how many discs? what is classed as a correct result? (the rip is shown to have an error? or plextools can rip any badly scrashed cd thrown at it  ).

If your software could be tweaked in such a way as to improve its accuracy so that it can match or better what EAC and/or Plextools can do, even for a small percentage of tracks, I think it would be worthwhile.

I'm working with a small set of "problem" discs that I have with a few tracks that are difficult but can be ripped correctly (verified by AccurateRip or by a rip from rip from a different original copy).  I have known to be skeptical of EAC's "No errors occured" message and matching CRCs for a very long time now.  I can't really comment on PlexTools logs other than to say I haven't verified them as being incorrect, though I am skeptical of them too.

Like so many people, I have multiple drives (>2) and a decent-sized collection of discs (although far too few of them are in bad-enough condition to do any good) but not a lot of time on my hands to rigorously test all of them.  I had mentioned earlier that I have a drive that does C2 that was not detected with alpha4 and a drive that doesn't do C2 with EAC that is detected as doing so.  Hopefully this has changed with alpha5, but I haven't done any testing with it on those drives.

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I didnt want to go overboard with options, too many options and people would not have a clue how to set it up.

I understand.  Would an advanced window with a restore to defaults button be feasible?

How about a drop down list of disc-status optimized combinations (brand new, dirty, lightly scratched, badly scratched, substrate failing due to bitrot, pinholes), plus a "custom" option that makes the all the variables directly editable?

Yeah, I know, sorta crazy.

-brendan

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To cancel click the Rip button again.

I tried that, it didn't work.  It paused for a moment and started the ripping the current track over again from the beginning.

in "confirm file replace" click "no to all"

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 6

A significant update for CD Ripper, mainly:

AMG meta data
Album Art
Log files (3 levels of log)
Album Artist Tag
Meta Data ID Tag section, for removing & adding specific tags
C2 ripping enhancements
Prevent AutoRun Option (a low level catch of the new CD notification, no malware will install)
New 'naming' existing users click 'set' and 'default'
Preview of audio tracks

As well as:

FLAC encoder
Album Art supportted in most codecs

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C2 enhancements include a best result from c2 if cannot match 10 frames, also it is recommended that if a drive supports c2 then the maximum re-reads should be set to around 700 (you will see impressive results with this).

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?p=51670#post51670 (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?p=51670#post51670)

Configuring dBpowerAMP Secure Ripper

To get best results you need to spend a small amount of time configuring secure CD Ripping, in CD Ripper click options and put the radio option into 'Secure (Recover Errors)' ripping method. Then click 'Secure Settings':

Scroll down to 'c2 Error Pointers...' and click 'Detect c2 support' (you will need a scratched CD). Note c2 support in dBpowerAMP is a help, it is not like EAC where everyone recommends it be switched off, if your drive supports it switch it on - your ripping results will be much better for it.

Next is caching, if your drive caches it will hinder CD Ripper's re-rips (ie it will read old data from the cache and stop the secure part from working), so if you have Plextor click 'Test FUA Support' (this option can disable the cache if supported), everyone else click 'Detect' next to drive read cache (this time insert a new unscratched CD). Plextor owners can test FUA support also when checked with detect drive read cache, it should detect no cache.

Now there are two types of drive, those that support C2 and those that do not, if your drive supports c2 then set 'Maximum Re-reads' to 700, and enable 'Ultra Secure' with 1 Minimum Passes and End after 1 clean pass.

If your drive does not support c2, leave the settings as they are (34 max re-reads, and enable ultra with 3 minimum passes, maximum 6 and end after 2 clean passes).

A poor drive (not very good at ripping without error) try (without C2) a relatively high number of ultra passes (min 6, finish after 3, max 10 or 16).

The FLAC encoder is not showing up as an option for me to encode to, even after installing the alpha flac encoder from the alpha page.

Look in:

C:\Program Files\Illustrate\dBpowerAMP\encoder

you should have FLAC.dll and FLAC.ico  (assuming your dBpowerAMP is installed to C:\Program Files\Illustrate\dBpowerAMP\)

spoon , do you think add scan for replay gain after encoding ( foobar and winamp can do )  ?
and it is possible to save album art as file (folder.jpg) ?

cheers, melomane

Replaygain goes in when DSP effects are implemented (within next 4-8 weeks), will also add option to save art as folder.jpg for next alpha.

This is looking to be a very great ripper. I have a couple questions:

About the album art:  Does the ripper just load the album art, or can it include it when tagging files? I don't see any option for it if you can do that.

My Plextor drive: I have a plextor PX-760A drive. I use EAC -usefua and check that my drive doesn't cache and it works fine for me ripping. I get accurate results with it. dBpowerAMP CD Ripper says my drive doesn't support FUA. If I click it manually that it does, and my drive doesn't cache audio, it still works fine. Does anyone know if my drive is capable of using FUA. I would think If you would use this option on a drive that doesn't that you wouldn't get accurate results, but maybe I don't fully understand this.

Thanks again!!

About the album art:  Does the ripper just load the album art, or can it include it when tagging files? I don't see any option for it if you can do that.

Options -> Meta Data (Click Options) -> (checkbox) Album Art
"Ability to store an element depends upon tagging & audio format used."

Greynol found that if a certain virtual cd drive was installed then FUA would not work in any program, could you have Daemon tools installed?

Greynol found that if a certain virtual cd drive was installed then FUA would not work in any program, could you have Daemon tools installed?

yes I do have daemon tools installed. Should I try and uninstall it and see?

Simply removing DAEMON Tools probably won't fix this.  You'll need to uninstall SCSI Pass Through Direct.

Here's the post that spoon is talking about.  It will tell you how to remove SPTD.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....&pid=431766 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=431766)

It has been my experience that with SPTD, -usefua does not work correctly with EAC.  Unlike with spoon's new ripper, EAC has no test for its experimental usage of the FUA command.  Could you tell me your methodology for determining whether it works properly with EAC in a PM or to the link I gave?

Sorry I'm new to dBpowerAMP trying to see if it's better for me than EAC with my new drive.

How to interpret results like the following?  I used your recommendations for the settings as you can see.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 6 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 02, 2006 3:30 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160P6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 670 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 29552 (6:34) in 0:38. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 01 - Black Blade.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 29552 to 52877 (5:11) in 0:23. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 02 - Monsters.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 52877 to 75905 (5:07) in 0:21. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 03 - Divine Wind.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 75905 to 95945 (4:27) in 0:17. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 04 - Deadline.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 95945 to 120175 (5:23) in 0:19. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 05 - The Marshall Plan.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 120175 to 136540 (3:38) in 0:12. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 06 - Hungry Boys.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 136540 to 150890 (3:11) in 0:10. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 07 - Fallen Angel.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 150890 to 170817 (4:25) in 0:14. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 08 - Lips in the Hills.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 170817 to 188612 (3:57) in 0:12. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Stephen\My Documents\My Music\Ripped\Blue Öyster Cult\Blue Öyster Cult - Cultösaurus Erectus - 09 - Unknown Tongue.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 2)   Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]

--------------

9 Tracks Ripped Securely

This was a CD I've known to have issues on the first and second tracks ever since it was brand new.  In EAC I had never been able to get matching CRCs on the first track resulting in a few "suspicious positions".  That makes me kind of nervous seeing how it didn't reread the first track any more than the rest.  Maybe this drive is just a lot better than my old NEC despite the handicap of the DAE cache?  Also, should I write off the inaccurate part with a confidence of only 2?  There is only one official release of this CD and it matches the catalog number on mine (I know it to not be the remaster).

Feature Request:  Add the track CRCs to the logs pretty please?

Having serious problems with Alpha 6 and the CLI encoder.  Pretty much no matter what parameter string i pass (using lancer vorbis or neroaacenc.exe), I get this error message when encoding:

Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]


That's using this command line string when using NeroAacEnc.exe:

-q 0.5 -if [InFile] -of [OutFile]


When using oggenc2 (lancer),  I've tried these parameters, and they don't work.

-Q -q5.0 - -o [OutFile]

-Q -q5.0 [InFile] -o [OutFile]

These both give me the "Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]" message.

Any guidance as to what my strings should be?  I'm expecially in search of the string for Vorbis.  My CLI Encoder plugin for dbPowerAmp is Release 1.
Help would be appreciated! 

Song titles with a comma, although displayed correctly in the ripper, have the resulting filenames renamed with a period instead.  Is that the intended behavior?

"I, Voyager" -> "I. Voyager.wav"


Also, is there any chance of having separate checkboxes for overread into lead-in vs. lead-out for those of us whose drives only do one or the other?  I know it was asked of EAC in the past but I don't recall if there were technical reasons it's always been all or nothing.

@Societal

If every track is inaccurate (as your log shows) and the CD is not overly scratched then it is pretty certain the CD being reported as Confidence of 2 is a different pressing to yours, so AccurateRip can be dis-counted in this instance (although in the log it is supposed to suggest different pressing, but is not I will look into that).

About the first track - this track reported no c2 errors and all frames matched on a first ultra pass. If you ask me it was ripped fine, but if you are still not sure try minimum of 7 ultra passes, then for sure it would pick up any errors on that track.

Commas are replaced in the filenames, it was a quick hack just before this release (as the programiatical naming was getting messed up by commas, I can fix for next alpha).

>checkboxes for overread into lead-in vs. lead-out for those of us whose drives only do one or the other?

If a drive has a positive offset then it reads only into one, not both, again a negative offset and it reads into the other one, so such an option would be have no use.

@jarsonic

It has to be lowercase for infile and outfile, ie:

-if [infile] -of [outfile]

I have been testing the new C2 ripping options (700 re-rips and smart c2 allocation if no match) on an NEC-2510a, now normally this ripper is fairly poor (in comparison to the Plextor 240a), but with those options on it is able to achive the same results as the plextor (just takes longer). I will have to add this drive to the test page as the results are quite stunning (difference between c2 on/off, and the using of c2).

@jarsonic

It has to be lowercase for infile and outfile, ie:

-if [infile] -of [outfile]

And spoon, what would the correct parameter be for my oggenc2.exe?  (See my post above)

even when i use [infile] and [outfile], i'm only getting files with names like this:

Andrew Peterson - Behold the Lamb of God; The True Tall Tale of the Coming of Christ - 01 - Gather 'Round. Ye Children. Come.ext

what's with the .ext extension?  it's a zero-byte file, too.  where do i specify the extension for the file?  should it be, like, (for nero aac) [outfile].mp4    ?

Not having oggenc2.exe on this system I cannot look it up, but perhaps:

-Q -q5.0 - -o [outfile]

See the help file for CLI Encoder, there is a file you have to edit to set the extension.

If every track is inaccurate (as your log shows) and the CD is not overly scratched then it is pretty certain the CD being reported as Confidence of 2 is a different pressing to yours, so AccurateRip can be dis-counted in this instance (although in the log it is supposed to suggest different pressing, but is not I will look into that).

How about a "try second drive" option/feature for an internal AR, so that when errors are not detected but no tracks are matching the ripper would suggest the user (if a 2nd drive is detected and option is active) to try the disc in a second drive.

Quote from: spoon on 2006-10-03 09:50:56

If every track is inaccurate (as your log shows) and the CD is not overly scratched then it is pretty certain the CD being reported as Confidence of 2 is a different pressing to yours, so AccurateRip can be dis-counted in this instance (although in the log it is supposed to suggest different pressing, but is not I will look into that).

How about a "try second drive" option/feature for an internal AR, so that when errors are not detected but no tracks are matching the ripper would suggest the user (if a 2nd drive is detected and option is active) to try the disc in a second drive.

i doubt that is worth the effort because i know with my drives, if it doesn't read on my good one it is definitely not reading on the worse one.  And you usually can find out which is worst.

I found a new(er) drive to use for ripping, so far it rips as good using burst, as my other drives do with secure mode.

But alas it doesn't support C2 (BenQ DW1620)

So I understood the settings for C2 drives, but now I'm wondering again.

Will 34 re-reads get me the best possible rip?

I understand the risk of errors increasing with the # of rereads, so is 34 the highest possibility that's still safe?

I've been using 6 minumun passes, finish after 3, and 18 max, just to be safe

Depends on the drive, I have tested drives (with c2 off) that could happily go to 50. Obviously with c2 you can go much higher (x20) and get better results from that.

I understand the risk of errors increasing with the # of rereads, so is 34 the highest possibility that's still safe?

No, the risk of errors does not necessarily increase with the number of re-reads,
it depends on the disc. Therefore there's not one particular number of re-reads
values which will give best results on all discs.

>No, the risk of errors does not necessarily increase with the number of re-reads

You could re-phrase it to "the risk of errors in a frame matching across re-rips is proportional to the number of re-reads done", for example 1,000,000 re-reads would have a match even if that match was an error **

** when c2 is not used.

That is where c2 can be a real help, you can disregard the errors with a certainty so they cannot be become a false match, today I re-ran the test on a new NEC DVD-RW ND-2510a (rather than the old tired 2510a), this drive shows more than any other drive tested the need for c2 (and the phenomenal results when using c2 with high re-reads, this drive can only manage to rip 1 track without error in burst, and all but one with c2):

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/secure-ripper.htm)

I have come to regard c2 as the difference as driving at night with the lights on, or lights off, without them on you are just guessing. Ironically, all the talk for EAC is to disable c2, in all my tests with EAC, c2 on gave better results than off...

Well, turns out the BENQ is worse then my LG drive

If only I could get my usb enclosure to work with R12

The only time I have trouble with it is when I enable C2

C2 works fine in EAC and all other software, but with R12 I get a "Buffer too big" error using ASPI. SCSI PT gives me a vauge cannot read disk error.

I know you mentioned a bad chipset, and I managed to find out today it's a NEC chipset in my enclosure.

I'm tempted to buy another enclosure, but I want to see if anyone else is having trouble w/ USB and R12, or any other ideas.

I remember when I was running tests (I had a usb enclosure also) that all advanced calls (such as FUA disable) did no work on the USB enclosure. The only certaintiy would be a drive built specifically for USB, ie one of the USB plextors.

If I can find a cheap USB enclosure somewhere, I'll try it out. I'd like to have 2 anyways.

I also have weird issues accessing cds in Foobar, that no one else apparently has, so I won't rule out it being a piece of junk enclosure.

Well the issue I'm having doesn't really have to do with the ripping stage, it's the program in general

it's a Lite-On LTR-24102B in a USB enclosure, my interal LG drive works fine

using scsi pass through, it'll give me an error about not being able to read the cd when i rip in burst mode. When I try to detect the cache for secure mode, it finds the cache, but when it tries to test the size of the cash it keeps saying there's no cd in the drive.

Now if i switch to Nero ASPI, it rips in burst mode fine, but once again, when I try to detect the cache (I know this drive caches for a fact) it sees the cache but the program completely locks up upon detecing the cache size.

I have the same problem with same Lite-On drive. I have two Lite-On drives on my computer using IDE bus. SHW-1635S (DVD-RW) drive works well, but LTR-24102B (CD-RW with latest firmware) does not. Sympton is just like you described.
I have removed the daemon-tools SPTD driver and I've been using alpha6 version of the DBPower AMP CD Ripper.

I've decided the Lite-On is just a piece of junk

Even in an actual desktop w/ a fresh install of Win2k3, it'll lock up when detecting the exact cache size, exactly the same way as it does in the USB enclosure, no matter what is used (Cache Explorer, Feurio, dMC R12)

I did manage to figure out the size using Feurio! and a few reboots, seems to be 863KB.

The drive also attains a 5/5 rating for FUA support, but it hardly works, the drive just locks up after a few minutes with FUA enabled.

You could re-phrase it to "the risk of errors in a frame matching across re-rips is proportional to the number of re-reads done", for example 1,000,000 re-reads would have a match even if that match was an error **

The *number* of possible matching errors increase with re-reads, not the
risk of error (i.e. not the probability of getting a bad match as final rip).
Indeed, if the number of possible wrong matches increases with re-reads,
so does the number of possible good matches. Which one will stop the
algorithm first depends on the probability of consistent wrong values,
which itself depends on the disc (and possibly on the drive).

I've decided the Lite-On is just a piece of junk

Even in an actual desktop w/ a fresh install of Win2k3, it'll lock up when detecting the exact cache size, exactly the same way as it does in the USB enclosure, no matter what is used (Cache Explorer, Feurio, dMC R12)

I did manage to figure out the size using Feurio! and a few reboots, seems to be 863KB.

The drive also attains a 5/5 rating for FUA support, but it hardly works, the drive just locks up after a few minutes with FUA enabled.

Well the particulal Lite-On drive is old but it isn't so bad, although it doesn't work with dBpowerAMP CD Ripper (Alpha). It work's very well with EAC so it also might be a bug in dBpowerAMP. My newer Lite-On drive work's without problem in dBpAMP though.

Quote from: rudefyet on 2006-10-06 14:45:12

I've decided the Lite-On is just a piece of junk

Even in an actual desktop w/ a fresh install of Win2k3, it'll lock up when detecting the exact cache size, exactly the same way as it does in the USB enclosure, no matter what is used (Cache Explorer, Feurio, dMC R12)

I did manage to figure out the size using Feurio! and a few reboots, seems to be 863KB.

The drive also attains a 5/5 rating for FUA support, but it hardly works, the drive just locks up after a few minutes with FUA enabled.

Well the particulal Lite-On drive is old but it isn't so bad, although it doesn't work with dBpowerAMP CD Ripper (Alpha). It work's very well with EAC so it also might be a bug in dBpowerAMP. My newer Lite-On drive work's without problem in dBpAMP though.

The drive is rather good for it's age, but too slow for my tastes with it's cache.

It works fine for me in dMC R12, you just have to manually enter the cache size, the detection doesn't work.

There is no reason why the cache detection should freeze or require re-boots (all it does is normal drive reads and times the time taken, no special calls, no c2, nothing).

There is no reason why the cache detection should freeze or require re-boots (all it does is normal drive reads and times the time taken, no special calls, no c2, nothing).

Fortunately it doesn't require re-boots. Do you know if EAC does the same cache detection or does it differ?

If I get the plexor 230A (any reason i shouldn't? or better for that price range?) will it give that error the same as my qsi 242 does now? that the cd can't be read.  I understand if it finds the errors, and i want it to if there are there but shouldn't it still be able to read all cd's???

I had a Plextor PX-230A and it is not a "real" Plextor, it is a re-badged version.

and ironically it is one of, if not the best Plextor at ripping CDs (not talking features, just ripping ability), also one of the cheapest.

I just tried to run R12 on my old PC (Celeron (Coppermine) 566Mhz running Win98se) and the CD-Ripper crashes at startup (program performed an illegal operation). R11.5 works fine.

We have not done any testing on Win98, it should be compatible but until we are ready for release then every operating system will be tested against it.

and ironically it is one of, if not the best Plextor at ripping CDs (not talking features, just ripping ability), also one of the cheapest.

Does it support over-reading into lead in/out? FUA?

no, no & no

*whisper* 708a does... =D

*whisper* 708a does... =D

I know, but its a real plextor. Spoon said the 203 was one of the best plextors for ripping yet its missing vital features.

Hi Spoon

Just installed R12 and it is working brilliantly! You've created quite a ripper there, well done 

I rip in Ultra Secure mode and I cannot believe the results I am getting. I have just one question, why is there a faded cross next to AccurateRip where "Secure" is displayed next to it with a green tick?

All the best
David

A faded cross means the CD is not in the accuraterip database (when you first inserted the cd it should have said on the totals bar the cd was not in accuraterip).

I read your previous msg before the edit, I take it AccurateRip configured ok?

(whilst I am posting: Alpha 7 has been released, many usablility additions to CD Ripper).

A faded cross means the CD is not in the accuraterip database (when you first inserted the cd it should have said on the totals bar the cd was not in accuraterip).

I read your previous msg before the edit, I take it AccurateRip configured ok?

(whilst I am posting: Alpha 7 has been released, many usablility additions to CD Ripper).

Yes I re-installed R12, rebooted and it accepted the disks. Not sure what the problem was but it's working great now.

Where can I download Alpha 7? Is there much difference in terms of ripping quality to the one I'm using now? If not I'll just stick with this one for the time being.


EDIT: Found the download link to Alpha 7 but it's not working at the moment.

EDIT: Found the download link to Alpha 7 but it's not working at the moment.

Same here

as Phillip J. Fry would say

“Fix it, fix it, fix it, fix it, fix it, fix it… fix it, fix it, fix it!”

:grins:

Right click on the link below and then click "Save Target As...".

http://www.dbpoweramp.com/beta/dMC-r12-alpha7.exe (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/beta/dMC-r12-alpha7.exe)

The link works in the dbpoweramp forum too now.

Anyone care to explain in exhaustive detail, what the new interpolate option does?

Thanks for the pointer about the link not working (it was only uploaded to 1 of the 2 load balanced servers, hence one try it was there, next it was not).

The interpolate option makes sure that if a frame cannot be recovered, regardless of the information that is given out by the cd drive, it will not cause nasty speaker damaging pops. This is really the option for drives with no c2, if a drive supports c2 then that can be used in a better fashion, which I have yet to write (c2 gives much finer detail of which parts of the frame has problems, so the whole frame does not need to be affected, also the data can be completely replaced in the sub-frame, where at the moment the existing data given out is preserved).

I'm ripping a CD at the moment in Ultra Secure mode. When I put the CD in R12 says "CD is in AccurateRip Database". In the Rip Status column for each track I'm getting a red cross followed by "AR (1)" then next to that a green tick "Secure".

Does this mean all the tracks on this CD were ripped with errors?

That would mean the ripper reported no errors, but the rip doesn't match the one in the accuraterip database.

Since it's a confidence of only 1, and if all the tracks report the same thing, the cd is likely a different pressing then the one in the database.

Spoon,

I would recommend an overhaul of the current CLI plugin in place, especially with the need to specify the extension in a seperate text file.  Something along the lines of fb2k's CLI configuration would be nice; at least an input box where you can specify the extension would be greatly appreciated.

...or is something along these lines planned in the polish / clean-up phase of development, after the bulk of work has been done on the ripper as you bring it to "release" status? 

That is one limitation we cannot get around, ie by the time the compression options are shown, in our Converter the extension of the audio file must be known. That said for all common encoders default install packages will be created, the CLI is being extended to make it programmatical (like the old one) in that an option page like for Lame can be created by adding lines of text to the encoder.txt file (we use it for stdio cli encoders, such as musepack and Neros aac).

The interpolate option makes sure that if a frame cannot be recovered, regardless of the information that is given out by the cd drive, it will not cause nasty speaker damaging pops. This is really the option for drives with no c2, if a drive supports c2 then that can be used in a better fashion, which I have yet to write (c2 gives much finer detail of which parts of the frame has problems, so the whole frame does not need to be affected, also the data can be completely replaced in the sub-frame, where at the moment the existing data given out is preserved).

Ahah, so you don't use the C2 errors bitmaps yet, while Plextools does 
As for interpolation, did you try enabling the DAP bit of READ_CD command ?

Plextools was written from the stand point where all the drives it works with supports c2, if we had that our code would be / 4, so they have it easy .

The idea of interpolation in the software is that it would be constant, different drives interpolate in different ways, so no longer depending on the drives implementation.

These routines will later be added to a 'Defective by design' profile, which will rip correctly any cds with intentional errors (by correctly I mean without the intentional noise).

None of these new options are effecting how the ripper finds errors correct spoon? just how they deal with erros once they are found, right?  The old alphas still were reporting all the errors hopefully.

If we want all errors found reported and done nothing with, with the new ripper we should not use interpolation and check that they all be reported as errors correct?

thanks spoon, quite an outstanding job

Yes the ripping routine is effectively unchanged, just what is done once unrecoverable errors are encountered.

Even with interpolation, all errors are reported (if complete reporting is selected, even frames which are recovered are reported in that mode).

would interpolation provide the best possible results on a drive that doesn't support C2?

and by best, I mean the least audiable glitches

would interpolation provide the best possible results on a drive that doesn't support C2?

and by best, I mean the least audiable glitches

yes.

I tested this new ripper last night and so far it works real stable and nice. I do have a few questions though.
I'm using a Sony DVD RW DRU-510A.

a.
The drive read cache detected 36KB cache. And the FUA support test said FUA works propper. Also when I enable FUA the cache test says the drive now doesnt cache.
But I've read in thread that the FUA feature is for plextor drives. Is the best option to use for my drive or should i just use the 36KB cache?

b.
My secure settings are: ultra pass 1-6-1, 7800 rereads and c2 enabled.
I have a cd that has 12 tracks that are 'V accurate(5)' en two of them are 'X AR (21) i Secure'.  If I rip those tracks in burst mode they are ripped as 'V accurate(4)! What is better to use and can someone please explain to me what 'X AR (21) i Secure' means?

The log says this:

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from woensdag 18 oktober 2006 5:56

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'E:   [SONY     - DVD RW DRU-510A ]',  Drive offset: 120,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 127682 to 148392 (4:36) in 1:33. Filename: D:\My Documents\My Music\U2\U2 - The Best of 1980-1990 - 07 - Where the Streets Have No Name.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 21)   Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 1 Frames]
  CRC32: ABF87DF7
    Re-rip Frame: 148392 (00:04:36,133) matched 10 / 11

--------------

1 Tracks Ripped Securely (Warning: sectors had to be re-ripped) (AccurateRip: Different Pressing?)

Is that supposed to be a Check??  Anyways, anytime accurateRip says accurate go with that because its 100 percent.  X AR is when it is inaccurate and the 21 is how many other different hardware rips it was inaccurate with (they all matching that is).  It is odd to me that you get accurate results with burst and not with Secure mode.  Maybe spoon can chime in here...

I tested this new ripper last night and so far it works real stable and nice. I do have a few questions though.
I'm using a Sony DVD RW DRU-510A.

a.
The drive read cache detected 36KB cache. And the FUA support test said FUA works propper. Also when I enable FUA the cache test says the drive now doesnt cache.
But I've read in thread that the FUA feature is for plextor drives. Is the best option to use for my drive or should i just use the 36KB cache?

b.
My secure settings are: ultra pass 1-6-1, 7800 rereads and c2 enabled.
I have a cd that has 12 tracks that are 'V accurate(5)' en two of them are 'X AR (21) i Secure'.  If I rip those tracks in burst mode they are ripped as 'V accurate(4)! What is better to use and can someone please explain to me what 'X AR (21) i Secure' means?

The log says this:

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from woensdag 18 oktober 2006 5:56

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'E:   [SONY     - DVD RW DRU-510A ]',  Drive offset: 120,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 127682 to 148392 (4:36) in 1:33. Filename: D:\My Documents\My Music\U2\U2 - The Best of 1980-1990 - 07 - Where the Streets Have No Name.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 21)   Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 1 Frames]
  CRC32: ABF87DF7
    Re-rip Frame: 148392 (00:04:36,133) matched 10 / 11

--------------

1 Tracks Ripped Securely (Warning: sectors had to be re-ripped) (AccurateRip: Different Pressing?)

a.
The drive read cache detected 36KB cache. And the FUA support test said FUA works propper. Also when I enable FUA the cache test says the drive now doesnt cache.
But I've read in thread that the FUA feature is for plextor drives. Is the best option to use for my drive or should i just use the 36KB cache?

I am thinking it should be ok to use FUA with this drive provided that the cache detection is working properly.  I have a friend with a PX-760A who says that it is being detected as not caching and that the FUA test for this drive was negative, so I'm having some doubts, but I am asking for clarification.  I'm still using a6.  I should upgrade to a7 and test my PX-716A which I'm thinking should be a similar drive.

can someone please explain to me what 'X AR (21) i Secure' means?

It means that the rip doesn't match what is in the AccurateRip database but was deemed secure by the ripper.  So long as it wasn't the result of a consistent error, the rip is probably good.  How do the rest of the tracks look?

I have a question about three different CDs that I have tried to rip.

When I insert the CD, it says "CD in AccurateRip". Then in the "Rip Status" column I'm getting a red cross followed by "AR (then a number here, varies with each track)" then a green tick "Secure".

Sometimes the confidence in brackets is as high as 8 next to the red cross. Could this be that my CD is a different pressing to the one in AccurateRip (I'm in the UK)? How can I be sure that there were no errors? Can I trust the green "Secure" tick?

Thanks
David.

Sometimes the confidence in brackets is as high as 8 next to the red cross. Could this be that my CD is a different pressing to the one in AccurateRip (I'm in the UK)?

Probably, yes.  And if it is, it doesn't matter what the confidence level of the inaccuracy is.  A different pressing is a different pressing.

My general rule is that the confidence of the tracks that are deemed inaccurate should be based on the confidence of the tracks that are deemed accurate and how many of the tracks were ripped accurately.  You should also see how much trouble the ripper had with the tracks that AccurateRip said weren't accurate.

How can I be sure that there were no errors? Can I trust the green "Secure" tick?

So you mean to ask how secure is spoon's new ripper?  I can't answer that but can suggest that you see what EAC does with the track.  Make sure you have it enabled to use null samples in CRC calculations and you can compare the CRCs directly (provided the drive is offset corrected in EAC).

Quote from: Scidd0w on 2006-10-18 19:23:42

can someone please explain to me what 'X AR (21) i Secure' means?

It means that the rip doesn't match what is in the AccurateRip database but was deemed secure by the ripper.  So long as it wasn't the result of a consistent error, the rip is probably good.  How do the rest of the tracks look?

12 tracks that are 'V accurate(5)' en two of them are 'X AR (21) i Secure'.

12 tracks that are 'V accurate(5)' en two of them are 'X AR (21) i Secure'.

Did either of these tracks require re-reads?  If so, I'd say that they are probably not accurate.

This looks very promising. I'm using it at this moment with a PX-716UF on a disc that I had given up for dead and it is ripping it accurately.

I have a very minor feature request: Can you add the cddb/freedb-style eight-character disc ID as a File Naming Element? Or better yet, the 28-character CD index as used by Musicbrainz? Or both?

I already have my own backend process for encoding audio and editing and storing metadata but I would like to use this as a front end for ripping. I have managed to script EAC to be a front end using AutoIt and I'm hoping it will not be difficult to do the same thing with this. Using a disc ID for a directory name instead of artist/title will make it easier to feed into this process.

Quote from: Scidd0w on 2006-10-18 20:36:18

12 tracks that are 'V accurate(5)' en two of them are 'X AR (21) i Secure'.

Did either of these tracks require re-reads?  If so, I'd say that they are probably not accurate.

Yes both required a reread of 1 frame.

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 127682 to 148392 (4:36) in 1:29. Filename: D:\My Documents\My Music\U2\...
...U2 - The Best of 1980-1990 - 07 - Where the Streets Have No Name.wav
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 21)   Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 1 Frames]
CRC32: ABF87DF7
Re-rip Frame: 148392 (00:04:36,133) matched 10 / 11

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 214092 to 233450 (4:18) in 1:21. Filename: D:\My Documents\My Music\U2\...
...U2 - The Best of 1980-1990 - 12 - When Love Comes to Town.wav
AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 20)   Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 1 Frames]
CRC32: 8ED24E57
Re-rip Frame: 233450 (00:04:18,106) matched 10 / 11

So you mean to ask how secure is spoon's new ripper?  I can't answer that but can suggest that you see what EAC does with the track.  Make sure you have it enabled to use null samples in CRC calculations and you can compare the CRCs directly (provided the drive is offset corrected in EAC).

This http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eac-qs-en.htm#options (http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eac-qs-en.htm#options) says...

Also make sure the top four options match the settings from the screenshot below.

Mike

Unchecked.

@Scidd0w:
1 frame isn't much to re-rip, but you could be getting a consistent error.  I see you're also using C2.  I'm not sure what to say about this.  Spoon's seemed to have changed his opinion (and code?) regarding C2 since he first announced the software.  I'm curious to see what he has to say.  Did you also try EAC?

Spoon, I know dMC is still in alpha, but in your opinion is it ready to start being used for archiving?? Any outstanding issues with the flac encoder?

eli:

None that I know, the ripper is almost complete and for flac you can use the verify option after ripping.

eb:

you can add the freedb id (or cddb id) to the id tag.

Consistent errors and non are the thing to worry about here.  When they both can be implemented, reliably then we are good to go.  If you use the new ripper without a drive that does GOOD c2 detection, then the only benifit besides Spoons interface, is the interpolation, which will make some errors inaudible.  But if you have a drive with good c2 detection, and use this ripper with ultra passes, c2, and re rip then yes, TRUST THE GREEN CHECK =))))  then theres accurateRip, plus when its there.  Nessesary if you don't have c2 in my mind...

Have fun!!!

Thank Spoon!

I'm not sure what to say about this.  Spoon's seemed to have changed his opinion (and code?) regarding C2 since he first announced the software.

  Spoon???

is the logic, that was first implemented and in your test still completely there?

I did some more testing with my small sampling of problem discs using my PX-716A.  I have to say that I too am becomming a believer, especially with the C2 performance.  There is still one more disc I want to try to see how well it does compared to PlexTools, but so far it is beating out EAC.  I have to think this is because of the use of C2 during re-reads.

I did not get these kinds of results with r5.

Unfortunately I still can't use C2 with my Sony CDU5221. 

Great job Spoon! 

Sppon;
I would really like to know what you think about my questions stated here, http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....mp;#entry442087 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=47415&st=100&p=442087&#entry442087).

FUA...best option to use for my drive or should i just use the 36KB cache?

FUA has really only been tested on the Plextors, 36kb would be safer.

I have a cd that has 12 tracks that are 'V accurate(5)' en two of them are 'X AR (21) i Secure'. If I rip those tracks in burst mode they are ripped as 'V accurate(4)! What is better to use and can someone please explain to me what 'X AR (21) i Secure' means?

If you rip twice in secure what are the CRCs (enable that column by right clicking on ripping status at the top. If you rip twice in burst what are the crcs?

is there logic, that was first implemented and in your test still completely there?

Through out my testing (with how c2 is implemented in R12) c2 only did good, the thing to remember about c2 detection is it is an unknown quantity across drives, some might not report all errors, I see it as an extra help, not a hinderance no matter which drive it is on.

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I have a cd that has 12 tracks that are 'V accurate(5)' en two of them are 'X AR (21) i Secure'. If I rip those tracks in burst mode they are ripped as 'V accurate(4)! What is better to use and can someone please explain to me what 'X AR (21) i Secure' means?

If you rip twice in secure what are the CRCs (enable that column by right clicking on ripping status at the top. If you rip twice in burst what are the crcs?

Ok, I tested a problem track, track 7 (Where The Streets Have No Name) from the CD (U2 - The Best Of 1980-1990) some more. I ripped it 5 times with different tools and settings.
One remarkable thing is that for the 1st time the secure with c2 setting ended with a secure rip and corresponding CRC. (I ripped this track with this setting for over 10 times.)
<update>
An other remark is that EAC says the drive does not cache after its drive features test while dMC says the cache is 36KB.
</update>

Player: Sony DRU-510a (1.1a)
Tools: dMC-r12-alpha7 & EAC V0.95 prebeta 3
CRC's:
87D6958C  - X AR (21) I Secure
ABF87DF7 - V Accurate(4)

	dMC-r12-alpha7	dMC-r12-alpha7	dMC-r12-alpha7	EAC		EAC burst
	Secure C2	Secure No C2	Burst No C2	C2

1st run	ABF87DF7	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C
2nd run 87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C
3rd run ABF87DF7	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C
4th run ABF87DF7	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C
5th run ABF87DF7	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C	87D6958C

what exactly does the "i" report again spoon?

An other remark is that EAC says the drive does not cache after its drive features test while dMC says the cache is 36KB.

EAC does not need to flush the cache for drives that use less than ~63kB.  This is why it says that it doesn't cache.

I use a BenQ DW-1650 to rip my CD collection, I use these settings in R12. (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q169/DavidLytham/dBpowerAMPCDRipper-R12Settings.jpg)

What do you think of my settings? Would you change any of them to get better results?

I would put max re reads at 700 like spoon said.  Did you detect cache for that drive?  Are you sure you want interpolation? 

I would buy a good c2 capable drive for 50 bucks and use that.  The gain in eliminating consistent errors is worth it.

I ran the "Detect Cache" option for this drive and got this result;

"Drive does not appear to cache, no cache clearing will be used."
"Detected cache size 0 KB (0 frames)."

I thought the interpolation option was meant for drives with no C2 like mine? What are the downsides of using interpolation with this drive?

Hello,

I am using the current dMC-r12-alpha7 version of this program on Windows XP Pro SP2

This program is very interesting, and looks like something I will use soon.  A few caveats exist however that I have come across, in addition I have a few questions.

The Read into Lead-in Lead-out option has 2 options listed:  1) SCSI Pass through (SPT), and 2) Windows Internal [for limited accounts],

I am using a Plextor PX-716SA, as well as a Plextor PX-716UF, they support overreading into lead in and lead out

Option 2 is not an option as it states that C2 error reporting nor FUA cache clear would be avialable.

Option 1 is also a non-option for use with Plextor drives, because it is now known (and can even be tested with dBpowerAMP) that SCSI Pass through interferes with/disables FUA from working at all.  If you have SPT enabled (and installed of course) and you do the FUA test, it will show that the drive does not support it (the separate cache test also reports the PX-716SA/UF as having a cache of 1173KB).  When you uninstall SPT via the run command "sptdinst_x86.exe remove" followed by a reboot--both drives show that the support FUA, and subsequently, once enabled, doing the cache test will reveal that the cache is 0KB (this coming after a popup box I believe that stated that no audio cd was detected however. --strange)

Thinking a litte bit I though to myself "Isn't an ASPI layer supposed to be at play here somewhere?"  As it is with EAC (Exact Audio Copy) for example.  Well here's where things get very weird.  1st of all, using my internal PX-716SA on CD "Dry Kill Logic -The Dead And Dreaming" wiht dBpowerAMP (FUA DISABLED, using SPT --you will see why in a minute why I chose those options).  The disc extracts correctly (and quickly I might add-impressive as far as speed is concerned) without errors (log included at bottom).

Switching to using my external USB 2.0 Plextor PX-716UF with the same settings results in massive errors (log included below).  My External drive is working fine, is almost brand new, and also works perfectly with plextools or EAC.  It is plugged directly into a USB 2.0 port in the back of my PC.

In contemplating what to do to resolve this issue, I downloaded the NERO ASPI layer, the same one which is used and recommened for EAC by "The Uber Standard".  I placed this file wnaspi32.dll v 2.0.1.74 Win32 nero ASPI library, within C:\Program Files\Illustrate\dBpowerAMP.

I figured this might have a shot at the weird errors, thinking that the SCSI pass through would not work through a USB 2.0 interface.  Once this was done I re-opened dBpowerAMP and what happened is ALL of the drive letters for my 4 CD/DVD-RW drives showed up with THE SAME DRIVE LETTER, that being "F".  No drive would recognize an audio CD, it would just constantly refresh the pop-up box if I tried to click "Retry".  Nothing is wrong with the allocation of my drive letters as confirmed by Logical Disk Manager in Administrative Tools, Computer Management.  I figured that it must be something that exists simply because it is still alpha software, and is a bug that will be worked out. 

ONly problem with that however is the fact that someone here had previously posted that they had successfully extracted an audio CD using the external PX-716UF.  Here are the logs so you can see what has happened, perhaps there's something that I am overlooking or not doing correctly, but like I said, it does work fine with my Internal drive using the exact same settings except that I had detected the cache for the external drive (with SPT, and hence, no capability of using FUA for now -nothing works using the Nero ASPI layer).

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:02 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'G:  [PLEXTOR  - DVDR  PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 11515 (2:33) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 01 - Lost.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: BD3E21F1

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 11515 to 28728 (3:49) in 0:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 02 - Paper Tiger.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6AB7A4FB

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 28728 to 44613 (3:31) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 03 - Buckles.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6EA31EF1

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 44613 to 61892 (3:50) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 04 - With Deepest Regrets....wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 7E1C488E

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 61892 to 81444 (4:20) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 05 - Neither Here nor Missed.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 74E8F69C

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 81444 to 94095 (2:48) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 06 - The Perfect Enemy.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: BFDCEF1D

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 94095 to 105948 (2:38) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 07 - Living Witness.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F5050F73

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 105948 to 119185 (2:56) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 08 - One Handed Knife Fight.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: D1F75A1F

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 119185 to 135534 (3:37) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 09 - As Thick as Thieves.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 58DD8068

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 135534 to 150726 (3:22) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 10 - 200 Years.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 73893AA5

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 150726 to 167928 (3:49) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 11 - No Reason.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6F1E29D5

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11 Tracks Ripped Accurately


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:12 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'N:  [PLEXTOR  - DVDR  PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 0 to 11515 (2:33) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 01 - Lost.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 0)

Track 2:  ERROR Ripping LBA 11515 to 28728 (3:49) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 02 - Paper Tiger.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 11515)

Track 3:  ERROR Ripping LBA 28728 to 44613 (3:31) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 03 - Buckles.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 28728)

Track 4:  ERROR Ripping LBA 44613 to 61892 (3:50) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 04 - With Deepest Regrets....wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 44613)

Track 5:  ERROR Ripping LBA 61892 to 81444 (4:20) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 05 - Neither Here nor Missed.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 61892)

Track 6:  ERROR Ripping LBA 81444 to 94095 (2:48) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 06 - The Perfect Enemy.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 81444)

Track 7:  ERROR Ripping LBA 94095 to 105948 (2:38) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 07 - Living Witness.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 94095)

Track 8:  ERROR Ripping LBA 105948 to 119185 (2:56) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 08 - One Handed Knife Fight.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 105948)

Track 9:  ERROR Ripping LBA 119185 to 135534 (3:37) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 09 - As Thick as Thieves.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 119185)

Track 10:  ERROR Ripping LBA 135534 to 150726 (3:22) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 10 - 200 Years.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 135534)

Track 11:  ERROR Ripping LBA 150726 to 167928 (3:49) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Dry Kill Logic\Dry Kill Logic - Dead and Dreaming - 11 - No Reason.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 150726)

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11 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped

Perhaps the ASPI layer has to go into a Windows directory instead of the main program (to be able to use FUA and not lose C2 capability as the Windows Internal setting says it will do if enabled)?  Or perhaps the specific ASPI layer isnt compatible with thie program?  I look forward to your analysis of these issues.  Thank you

Once this was done I re-opened dBpowerAMP and what happened is ALL of the drive letters for my 4 CD/DVD-RW drives showed up with THE SAME DRIVE LETTER, that being "F". No drive would recognize an audio CD, it would just constantly refresh the pop-up box if I tried to click "Retry".

To clarify this a bit  --dBpowerAMP did not automatically change the drive letters to all "F"'s until I manually selected "ASPI" from the drop-down list  next to Read into lead in lead out; Communication.  Once that was selected and the program closed and re-opened it did this, and the problem was repeatable.  When swithcing back to SCSI pass through (SPT), then closing and re-opening the program it then correctly recognized my four drives and would actually recognize an audio CD then.

To illustrate exactly what I was seeing with the Nero aspi layer selected, in the drop down box, was the following:

Insert Audio CD Into:
       
        F:  [_NEC  -DVD_RW ND-2500A ]
        F:  [PLEXTOR -DVDR PX716A  ]
        F:  [BENQ  -DVD DD DW1640 ]
        F:  [PLEXTOR -DVDR PX716A  ]

If changed back to SCSI pass through (SPT) (which I don't want) the drive letters go back to normal,

        F:  [_NEC  -DVD_RW ND-2500A ]
        G:  [PLEXTOR -DVDR PX716A  ]
        H:  [BENQ  -DVD DD DW1640 ]
        N:  [PLEXTOR -DVDR PX716A  ]

87D6958C - X AR (21) I Secure
ABF87DF7 - V Accurate(4)

It suggests that ABF87DF7 is correct as that is the only one verified by accuratte rip, and hte confidence is very reasonable.

i Secure:  the i stands for an informational warning, that a re-rip was required so the track might not be 100% secure (as relies on the drives re-read ability).

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TrueAudio:

There does seem to be an issue regarding drive letter detection and the Nero ASPI layer, perhaps even the normal aspi layer as well. I will look into that.

>The Read into Lead-in Lead-out option has 2 options listed: 1) SCSI Pass through (SPT), and 2) Windows Internal [for limited accounts],

That option read into lead in/out is on its own, it is a checkbox, SCSI & Windows internal fall under communication. Regardless...

> that SCSI Pass through interferes with/disables FUA from working at all. If you have SPT enabled

Windows XP has SPT as default, you cannot uninstall it. There exists demon tools which inserts something into the middle of programs accessing SPT and the drive, that is causing the FUA to stop working. SPT is normally the best you can use, much better than ASPI.

Did you try the USB plextor on SPT?

TrueAudio:
...
> that SCSI Pass through interferes with/disables FUA from working at all. If you have SPT enabled

Windows XP has SPT as default, you cannot uninstall it. There exists demon tools which inserts something into the middle of programs accessing SPT and the drive, that is causing the FUA to stop working. SPT is normally the best you can use, much better than ASPI.

Yeah, I also think TrueAudio is confusing the Win32 SPT Interface (SPTI) with filter drivers that hook into the middle of the SPT/SPTI layers.  Typically you see copy protection related drivers causing this sort of problem, but as you mentioned DT's filter driver appears to interfere as well.

-brendan

i Secure:  the i stands for an informational warning, that a re-rip was required so the track might not be 100% secure (as relies on the drives re-read ability).

I only get "i" very very rarely and when i do just a clean of the disk or a brasso, turtle wax combo does the trick.  But a lot of the discs i have tried needed re-rips but never had an i.

Is this only for a certain kind of re rip or something?  or re rip with no c2 feedback or something?

That option read into lead in/out is on its own, it is a checkbox, SCSI & Windows internal fall under communication. Regardless...

> that SCSI Pass through interferes with/disables FUA from working at all. If you have SPT enabled

Windows XP has SPT as default, you cannot uninstall it. There exists demon tools which inserts something into the middle of programs accessing SPT and the drive, that is causing the FUA to stop working. SPT is normally the best you can use, much better than ASPI.

Did you try the USB plextor on SPT?

Ok, here's an update:

1st, you are correct in that I was confused with regards to the SPTI option (thank you for clarifying that it is independent of the overread options), I wasn't aware this was an integral part of WinXP, but rather thought that it was only something added by Daemon tools, which I in fact, had installed, but had uninstalled, as well as removed the SPTI pass through "filter driver" or whatever that Daemon Tools adds.

Yes, I did try the USB plextor with SPT, in secure mode with the settings that you've recommended on this site (as can be seen in the logs also).  But it nonetheless errors out every time, I even tried changing a setting and added some spin-up time to it, tried it without overread, etc --all to no avail.

The external PX-716UF however will rip in Burst mode, and it even shows to get accurate results against accuraterip database.  Switching back to secure mode though, it refuses to read a single track (see the LBA erros in my above log).  Initially, my PX-716UF had had firmware revision 1.04U flashed to it.  This is what had been on it during all my tests.  Just prior to this post here, I flashed it to the latest 1.10 firmware, and the flash was successful and was in no way interrupted.

I rebooted my PC as standard procedure then proceeded to test it again, only to get the same errors reading every single track in secure mode, with a clean, scratch, and DRM free disc.

BUT OMG Spoon now the plot thickens!!! =)

---->C2 Error Pointers for Error Detection  The PX-716A is is supposed to support C2 yes?  Because guess what, **unchecking** the C2 option, for the 1st time, the external drive ripped the entire CD in secure mode, but it will not do so with C2 enabled, and this is with firmware v1.10, the latest.  Included are the logs from a different, scratch-free, non-copy protected CD.

1st log = PX-716UF using C2        Drive I
2nd log= PX-716UF *without* C2  Drive I
3rd log= PX-716SA *using* C2      Drive G

Possible issue with my drive, or your program have an issue with enabling C2 on an external PX-716UF?  And if so, how could there possibly *just* be a problem with the C2 of the drive to such a severe extent that it totally errors out but yet all other functions work fine?  Thank you for your assistance.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:49 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 0 to 20640 (4:35) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 01 - Reckoning Day.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 0)

Track 2:  ERROR Ripping LBA 20640 to 36092 (3:26) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 02 - Train of Consequences.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 20640)

Track 3:  ERROR Ripping LBA 36092 to 60585 (5:26) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 03 - Addicted to Chaos.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 36092)

Track 4:  ERROR Ripping LBA 60585 to 80682 (4:27) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 04 - A Tout le Monde.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 60585)

Track 5:  ERROR Ripping LBA 80682 to 98942 (4:03) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 05 - Elysian Fields.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 80682)

Track 6:  ERROR Ripping LBA 98942 to 116770 (3:57) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 06 - The Killing Road.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 98942)

Track 7:  ERROR Ripping LBA 116770 to 134585 (3:57) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 07 - Blood of Heroes.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 116770)

Track 8:  ERROR Ripping LBA 134585 to 153137 (4:07) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 08 - Family Tree.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 134585)

Track 9:  ERROR Ripping LBA 153137 to 171867 (4:09) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 09 - Youthanasia.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 153137)

Track 10:  ERROR Ripping LBA 171867 to 188712 (3:44) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 10 - I Thought I Knew It All.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 171867)

Track 11:  ERROR Ripping LBA 188712 to 205147 (3:39) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 11 - Black Curtains.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 188712)

Track 12:  ERROR Ripping LBA 205147 to 225157 (4:26) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 12 - Victory.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 205147)

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12 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:50 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: No,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 20640 (4:35) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 01 - Reckoning Day.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F69C517A

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 20640 to 36092 (3:26) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 02 - Train of Consequences.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 0A60AFD1

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 36092 to 60585 (5:26) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 03 - Addicted to Chaos.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 36487E2E

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 60585 to 80682 (4:27) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 04 - A Tout le Monde.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: EF1EFF9C

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 80682 to 98942 (4:03) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 05 - Elysian Fields.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 13734873

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 98942 to 116770 (3:57) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 06 - The Killing Road.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6C333F8E

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 116770 to 134585 (3:57) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 07 - Blood of Heroes.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 11245D01

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 134585 to 153137 (4:07) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 08 - Family Tree.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 337BB47C

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 153137 to 171867 (4:09) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 09 - Youthanasia.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 0117DC77

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 171867 to 188712 (3:44) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 10 - I Thought I Knew It All.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: D7DD7B56

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 188712 to 205147 (3:39) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 11 - Black Curtains.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: BD2FA571

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 205147 to 225157 (4:26) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 12 - Victory.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 9FF48970

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12 Tracks Ripped Accurately


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:59 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'G:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 20640 (4:35) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 01 - Reckoning Day.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F69C517A

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 20640 to 36092 (3:26) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 02 - Train of Consequences.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 0A60AFD1

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 36092 to 60585 (5:26) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 03 - Addicted to Chaos.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 36487E2E

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 60585 to 80682 (4:27) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 04 - A Tout le Monde.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: EF1EFF9C

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 80682 to 98942 (4:03) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 05 - Elysian Fields.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 13734873

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 98942 to 116770 (3:57) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 06 - The Killing Road.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6C333F8E

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 116770 to 134585 (3:57) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 07 - Blood of Heroes.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 11245D01

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 134585 to 153137 (4:07) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 08 - Family Tree.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 337BB47C

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 153137 to 171867 (4:09) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 09 - Youthanasia.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 0117DC77

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 171867 to 188712 (3:44) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 10 - I Thought I Knew It All.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: D7DD7B56

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 188712 to 205147 (3:39) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 11 - Black Curtains.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: BD2FA571

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 205147 to 225157 (4:26) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Megadeth\Megadeth - Youthanasia - 12 - Victory.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 9FF48970

Why don't you try downloading nero cd speed and see if it returns like a bajillion c2 erros on that cd... or whether its working at all...

Well, did another very significant test.

I have alot of drives, as I have kind of hoarded the good ones that aren't made anymore.  I just hooked up another brand new PX-716UF, this one is even newer than my other one.  The original PX-716UF that I did the tests with had TLA# 0203 (which is still supposed to be ok to use, according to Jean Luc, as its the same TLA that he had).  The one that I just hooked up is TLA# 0304.  The CD is 100% fine (remember I've tried 2 different CD's now) IMHO there's no need to try more, it's not going to make any difference, but I will just to reinforce my findings.  Same error messages when having C2 enabled.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:06 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:  [PLEXTOR  - DVDR  PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 62 to 114775 (25:29) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Mike Oldfield\Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - 01 - Tubular Bells, Pt. 1.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 62)

Track 2:  ERROR Ripping LBA 114775 to 219745 (23:19) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Mike Oldfield\Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - 02 - Tubular Bells, Pt. 2.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 114775)

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2 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped


dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:08 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:  [PLEXTOR  - DVDR  PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 0 to 24260 (5:23) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 01 - On the Bound.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 0)

Track 2:  ERROR Ripping LBA 24260 to 40831 (3:40) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 02 - To Your Love.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 24260)

Track 3:  ERROR Ripping LBA 40831 to 56667 (3:31) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 03 - Limp.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 40831)

Track 4:  ERROR Ripping LBA 56667 to 71878 (3:22) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 04 - Love Ridden.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 56667)

Track 5:  ERROR Ripping LBA 71878 to 88422 (3:40) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 05 - Paper Bag.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 71878)

Track 6:  ERROR Ripping LBA 88422 to 110778 (4:58) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 06 - A Mistake.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 88422)

Track 7:  ERROR Ripping LBA 110778 to 131793 (4:40) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 07 - Fast as You Can.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 110778)

Track 8:  ERROR Ripping LBA 131793 to 151197 (4:18) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 08 - The Way Things Are.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 131793)

Track 9:  ERROR Ripping LBA 151197 to 169999 (4:10) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 09 - Get Gone.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 151197)

Track 10:  ERROR Ripping LBA 169999 to 192160 (4:55) in 0:00. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 10 - I Know.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 169999)

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10 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped

C2 DISABLED:

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:12 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:  [PLEXTOR  - DVDR  PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: No,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 62 to 114775 (25:29) in 1:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Mike Oldfield\Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - 01 - Tubular Bells, Pt. 1.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 9)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 58AAD090

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 114775 to 219745 (23:19) in 0:44. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Mike Oldfield\Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - 02 - Tubular Bells, Pt. 2.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 10)    [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 9C606DD3

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2 Tracks Ripped Accurately

So we have the same repeatable problem with TWO different PX-716UF external drives, both brand new, and both with different hardware components, the 1st being TLA#0203, the second, showing the exact same errors, TLA#0304.

TrueAudio - for large logs like that, please use "codebox" instead of "code". 

-brendan

I think you need to try those drives with another pc that hasn't had any layers or such installed.

I think you need to try those drives with another pc that hasn't had any layers or such installed.

Daemon Tools has only been reported to interfere with Force Unit Access, noone has said anything about it interfering with the ability of a drive to pass C2 information to a CD ripping app.  What your suggesting implies that some part of Daemon Tools was not uninstalled sufficiently.  I had previously stated that I used the known working fix for removing the SPT layer that Daemon Tools adds that was posted by other members here; namely "sptdinst_x86.exe remove", which uninstalls what Daemon Tools leaves behind.  In addition to that, I run a registry cleaner, to remove any traces of the program.

Since the Spoon has not yet commented on these new tests, I will hold off on anything further until he can confirm that there is nothing (or hopefully find a problem and fix it) wihin his (Alpha stage) software that is the culprit here.

If there was a "layer" or some type of filter left behind somehow or another, then try to explain why my internal PX-716SA extracts flawlessly USING C2, if the problem is somehow specific to preventing C2 from working with Plextor drives.  Remember the internal drive is virtually identical chipset and mechanically wise to the external PX-716UF (my internal one and the current ext drive are both TLA#0304).

Also the tracks that were extracted successfully with the external drive play back fine, with no clicks or pops or anything, not to mention the CRC's match the internal one using C2.  That being said, I should be able to use the externals with C2.  By the way, those error logs with the UF drives, were generated almost instantly.  The drive started reading the disc, and then BAM, all the songs errored out within about 2 seconds.  This leads me to believe that dBpowerAMP is not recognizing that the ext UF drive is capable of C2, and misreading/failing to communicate with whatever part of the drive is supposed to query back the response that the software is calling for the drive to perform.

It doesn't matter who or what is wrong here, all that matters is whatever it is that is wrong, can be corrected.  If in fact it is on my end, somehow, and I find out that it is, I won't hesitate to reply back here with the cause of it all, so as to help anyone else who might run into the same issue, and save you, and everyone else, time.

Seems all USB drives will error out if C2 is enabled in R12, not just Plextors

I've found no way around this yet, I've tested 3 drives w/ 3 different enclosures.

I posted about this problem as early as alpha 5, but was pretty much told it was my enclosure...

Sicne then I bought 2 more, for my other 2 drives

Edit: I'd like to add, that what I'm getting at is Nero, EAC, Easy CD-DA can all use C2 error pointers on my USB drives, but R12 can't. Someone needs to figure out what R12 is doing wrong, that all the other rippers are doing right.

Hmm.  In my experience, SPTI calls via USB are much more limited in terms of what size/type of transactions are allowed when talking to drives in general.  In addition, some chipsets might be more limited than others when talking to ATAPI devices like optical drives.

-brendan

is it the usb chipset/driver/interface that has restricting features?  If so, perhaps a professional quality one made for high end applications like server performance

is it the usb chipset/driver/interface that has restricting features?  If so, perhaps a professional quality one made for high end applications like server performance

I think there are two issues. 

1. The USB spec appears to restrict the size and types of CDB transactions via USB to ATA/ATAPI devices, at least it does so substantially more than via PATA, SATA, SCSI and Firewire.

2. Some chipsets may have more problems with translating esoteric CDB transactions.

e.g. I still haven't figured out a way to get a drive serial number over USB from an ATA device and I appear not to be alone in this issue.  This is normally a pretty straightforward transaction.

-brendan

Unfortunately I still can't use C2 with my Sony CDU5221. 

Seems all USB drives will error out if C2 is enabled in R12, not just Plextors

The CDU5221 isn't a USB drive, but perhaps it's a related problem?

Quote from: gaillard on 2006-10-20 01:42:59

is it the usb chipset/driver/interface that has restricting features?  If so, perhaps a professional quality one made for high end applications like server performance

I think there are two issues. 

1. The USB spec appears to restrict the size and types of CDB transactions via USB to ATA/ATAPI devices, at least it does so substantially more than via PATA, SATA, SCSI and Firewire.

2. Some chipsets may have more problems with translating esoteric CDB transactions.

e.g. I still haven't figured out a way to get a drive serial number over USB from an ATA device and I appear not to be alone in this issue.  This is normally a pretty straightforward transaction.

-brendan

ATTN: Spoon
Problem solved (sufficiently for me anyways)
Solution?  ---> Don't use USB 2.0, I switched to the 1394 (Firewire) Interface on the back of the PX-716UF.
C2 works perfectly in secure mode now using Firewire, thats all that matters to me, but some will undoubtedly wish it to work through USB 2.0 also.  This is indeed an issue with the command set relating to C2.  dBpowerAMP ripped very fast and produced perfect results, I'm listening to the rip now, flawless, sounds great, you deserve many thanks for producing something that will challenge (at the very least) EAC and Plextools. 


External PX-716UF WITH C2 Secure Mode, FIREWIRE (1394):

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:47 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 24260 (5:23) in 0:16. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 01 - On the Bound.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 932173EE

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 24260 to 40831 (3:40) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 02 - To Your Love.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 23)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 157B81BF

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 40831 to 56667 (3:31) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 03 - Limp.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 454C730E

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 56667 to 71878 (3:22) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 04 - Love Ridden.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 18E02F5A

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 71878 to 88422 (3:40) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 05 - Paper Bag.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: E8D29123

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 88422 to 110778 (4:58) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 06 - A Mistake.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 986722EF

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 110778 to 131793 (4:40) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 07 - Fast as You Can.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 178FEE51

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 131793 to 151197 (4:18) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 08 - The Way Things Are.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: AD10091D

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 151197 to 169999 (4:10) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 09 - Get Gone.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 3080A536

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 169999 to 192160 (4:55) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 10 - I Know.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 21)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F8A6AA66

--------------

10 Tracks Ripped Accurately

eb:

you can add the freedb id (or cddb id) to the id tag.

I think you may have misunderstood my request. I want the ripper to put the ripped files in a directory named, e.g., 950abe0c, so that the next process in the pipeline can find it. I could do this if you supported [discid] in the Set File Naming option. The ripper is already computing the discid, I just want it to be available for naming.

I would buy a good c2 capable drive for 50 bucks and use that.  The gain in eliminating consistent errors is worth it.

Which drive would you suggest Gaillard?

Is the Plextor PX-760A any good at all for use with R12?

I will look into c2 over usb, and putting freedb id in the naming section.

Quote from: gaillard on 2006-10-19 20:17:49

I would buy a good c2 capable drive for 50 bucks and use that.  The gain in eliminating consistent errors is worth it.

Which drive would you suggest Gaillard?

Is the Plextor PX-760A any good at all for use with R12?

I use the 708a, they are relatively cheap and support hidden audio tracks as well as in and out reading lead.  c2 reporting is top notch.

The only one I could find is this one here http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?...69b14643f5a3f21 (http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?products_id=1574&sid=665296e4a9e04844c69b14643f5a3f21) - is that the same one that you use?

Hopefully they'll ship to the UK.

@spoon

by default track number is track number/ total tracks .
when check "track number without track cont " i espected number track in track tag AND total track in total track tag, but nothing is write in total track.
same for disc number , total discs
it is intended?

tanks for write album art as foder.jpg

The only one I could find is this one here http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?...69b14643f5a3f21 (http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?products_id=1574&sid=665296e4a9e04844c69b14643f5a3f21) - is that the same one that you use?

Hopefully they'll ship to the UK.

A friend of mine is having trouble with the cache and FUA settings and his PX-760A, but this might not have anything to do with spoon's program.

Otherwise the 760 is an upgraded version of their 755 which came after the 716, 712 and lastly the 708.

They are all based on a line of chips from Sanyo.  If you find a 760 for around the same price as a 708, I'd go for it.

Quote from: David Lytham on 2006-10-20 21:47:54

The only one I could find is this one here http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?...69b14643f5a3f21 (http://www.saitekinc.com/product_info.php?products_id=1574&sid=665296e4a9e04844c69b14643f5a3f21) - is that the same one that you use?

Hopefully they'll ship to the UK.

A friend of mine is having trouble with the cache and FUA settings and his PX-760A, but this might not have anything to do with spoon's program.

Otherwise the 760 is an upgraded version of their 755 which came after the 716, 712 and lastly the 708.

They are all based on a line of chips from Sanyo.  If you find a 760 for around the same price as a 708, I'd go for it.

So basically the 760 uses the same line of chips as the 708? I think I'll go for that if it's the case, I can pick one up tomorrow then and get ripping

So basically the 760 uses the same line of chips as the 708? I think I'll go for that if it's the case, I can pick one up tomorrow then and get ripping

Get it from a place that will take it back if you aren't satisfied.  I hear that Plextor has really good support if the drive ever fails within the warranty period.  I really wanted a 755 back when I was in the market for a new drive, but it wasn't available in the US, so I went with the 716.  I have been very satisfied with my decision.

what he said if price is no concern... =)

>"track number without track cont " i espected number track in track tag AND total track in total track tag,

Not how that one works, CD Ripper will write a

xx/xx

Tag if it is the standard for the format. It will also write seperate track number and track count it that is standard. What tag are you using? and what format?

I have the drive now.

Should I use the "Clear Read Cache with FUA" option?

>"track number without track cont " i espected number track in track tag AND total track in total track tag,

Not how that one works, CD Ripper will write a

xx/xx

Tag if it is the standard for the format. It will also write seperate track number and track count it that is standard. What tag are you using? and what format?

ok i see: with ogg vorbis i have xx/xx because it is standard for the format.
with lame i have separate track number total.

i have a request: possibility to have allways separate track /total track and disc/total disc ( i know, it isn't standard but usefull...)

regards, melomane

>Should I use the "Clear Read Cache with FUA" option?

Try the test, that is the sure way (test first FUA, then test drive cache detection, it should detect 0 kb if fua is working, there are 2 effective tests to validate fua).

ATTN: Spoon

Unusual discrepancy/difference betwwen C2 or other error correction with dBpowerAMP R12 A7 vs. Plextools

NOTE: THis is with an *intentionally damaged CD* scratched with a metal dishwasher scrubber, and then severely scratched with running scissors in 4 places across the disc from center to outside edge.  (This was done to test for C2 capability initially, but I decided to try to rip the disc also.)

NOTE: also --the drive info I maually edited to exactly identify the type of drive as well as the firmware revision of the drive, no other daya was changed at all.  I did this because your program does not differentiate between an external PX-716UF vs. an Internal IDE PX-716SA.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 8:24 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF 1.10  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 78AC349D

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:37. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: DAFD681B

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 83207619

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:30. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 5 Frames]
  CRC32: C10F3211
    Re-rip Frame: 69570 (00:01:57.173) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 29)
    Re-rip Frame: 70029 (00:02:03.293) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 26)
    Re-rip Frame: 70680 (00:02:11.973) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 70681 (00:02:11.986) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 17)
    Re-rip Frame: 70706 (00:02:12.320) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 4 Frames]
  CRC32: 65630459
    Re-rip Frame: 99107 (00:04:26.893) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 7)
    Re-rip Frame: 99108 (00:04:26.906) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 23)
    Re-rip Frame: 99121 (00:04:27.080) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 23)
    Re-rip Frame: 99122 (00:04:27.093) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 26)

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:25. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 37285062

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
  CRC32: 00322FB1
    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 165)
    Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 38)
    Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 131)
    Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 27)
    Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 263)
    Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 54)
    Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 8)
    Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 35)
    Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 28)
    Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 103)
    Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14  (c2 dropped 50)
    Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 62)
    Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 11)
    Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 44)
    Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 14)
    Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 19)
    Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 24)
    Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 45)
    Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 280)
    Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 3)
    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 25)
    Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 111)
    Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 267)
    Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 60)
    Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 252)
    Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 15)
    Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 76)
    Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 22)
    Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 191)
    Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A949A424

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:18. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 846E1A57

--------------

12 Tracks Ripped: 9 Secure, 2 Secure (Warning), 1 Inaccurate

Now note this --different drive entirely --my point will be made at the end of this whole thing:

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 8:38 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 670 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:15. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 78AC349D

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: DAFD681B

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:19. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 83207619

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:16. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:17. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: C10F3211

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:19. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 65630459

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:17. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 37285062

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:12. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A949A424

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:13. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:04. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 846E1A57

--------------

12 Tracks Ripped Securely

Btw, amazingly FUA works and is detected perfectly with this, non-Plextor drive.

Now, I know that this disc is not in the accuraterip database unfortunately, but when I ripped this disc with the PX-716UF listed at the top with Plextools, plextools reported NO ERRORS whatsoever --level 5 error correction was used in Plextools (the latest version 2.35).  And not only this, but the rip in Plextools matched the rips exactly as per extracted with dBpowerAMP with my LITE-ON drive as confirmed by EAC V0.9 beta4 using the compare wav feature (there were no discrepancies here).

Yes different drives have different error correction and ability to read scratched discs; however, the fact that Plextools was able to perfectly rip the same disc that dBpowerAMP perfectly ripped with the LITE-ON, which resulted in massive errors when using that same Plextor drive with dBpowerAMP, suggests to me, that the Plextools software is still somehow optimizing the error correction/laser focus/reading capability with the Plextor drive, to a greater degree than dBpowerAMP is able to fully exploit the capabilities of that same drive.

I hope this info is useful to you to help perfect your program to make it 100% rock solid reliable in every possible situation.  Finally --here is a log of the same disc attempting to extract with my internal drive.  I may also try it with EAC later and post the log for you to look at, haven't had the chance yet.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 11:23 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'G:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716SA v1.09 ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 1 Frames]
  CRC32: 78AC349D
    Re-rip Frame: 1425 (00:00:19.000) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 4)

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:39. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 2 Frames]
  CRC32: DAFD681B
    Re-rip Frame: 9624 (00:00:51.360) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 8)
    Re-rip Frame: 9701 (00:00:52.386) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 11)

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 83207619

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 3 Frames]
  CRC32: C10F3211
    Re-rip Frame: 70553 (00:02:10.280) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 7)
    Re-rip Frame: 70680 (00:02:11.973) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 3)
    Re-rip Frame: 70681 (00:02:11.986) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 13)

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:28. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 65630459

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:25. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 37285062

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 8:41. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 75 Frames]
  CRC32: FFE82135
    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 39)
    Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 469)
    Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 694) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 142361 (00:00:37.813) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 36)
    Re-rip Frame: 142377 (00:00:38.026) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 261)
    Re-rip Frame: 142392 (00:00:38.226) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 122)
    Re-rip Frame: 142393 (00:00:38.240) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 416)
    Re-rip Frame: 142408 (00:00:38.440) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 193)
    Re-rip Frame: 142424 (00:00:38.653). Insecure  (c2 dropped 693) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 142439 (00:00:38.853) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 46)
    Re-rip Frame: 142440 (00:00:38.866) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 160)
    Re-rip Frame: 142455 (00:00:39.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 279)
    Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 142487 (00:00:39.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 142502 (00:00:39.693) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 340)
    Re-rip Frame: 142503 (00:00:39.706) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 611)
    Re-rip Frame: 142518 (00:00:39.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 142549 (00:00:40.320) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 591)
    Re-rip Frame: 142550 (00:00:40.333). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 143179 (00:00:48.720) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 8)
    Re-rip Frame: 143194 (00:00:48.920) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 11)
    Re-rip Frame: 143210 (00:00:49.133) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 12)
    Re-rip Frame: 143572 (00:00:53.960) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 143573 (00:00:53.973) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 9)
    Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 68)
    Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 58)
    Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 363)
    Re-rip Frame: 143635 (00:00:54.800) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 10)
    Re-rip Frame: 143636 (00:00:54.813) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 12)
    Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 144061 (00:01:00.480) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 5)
    Re-rip Frame: 144140 (00:01:01.533) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 144219 (00:01:02.586) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 19)
    Re-rip Frame: 144266 (00:01:03.213) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144377 (00:01:04.693) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 10)
    Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 62)
    Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 52)
    Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 128)
    Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 7)
    Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 57)
    Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 314)
    Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 36)
    Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 31)
    Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 26)
    Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 145325 (00:01:17.333) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 19)
    Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 15)
    Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 127)
    Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 473)
    Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145483 (00:01:19.440) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 10)
    Re-rip Frame: 145499 (00:01:19.653) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 10)
    Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145895 (00:01:24.933) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 24)
    Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 694) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146). Insecure  (c2 dropped 695) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 5)
    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 331)
    Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 10)
    Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 41)
    Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 274)
    Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 50)
    Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253). Insecure  (c2 dropped 698) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 78)
    Re-rip Frame: 146148 (00:01:28.306) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 3)
    Re-rip Frame: 146196 (00:01:28.946) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:20. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A949A424

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:18. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 846E1A57

--------------

12 Tracks Ripped: 8 Secure, 3 Secure (Warning), 1 Inaccurate

sp  --data not daya

Also  --The files extracted by both the Lite-ON as well as the troublesome tracks (particularly track 9) extracted by Plextools, played back perfectly with no pops or clicks.

Below is an Extraction Log from a CD that I ripped earlier, the CD is not in Accurate Rip.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 22 October 2006 5:00 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'D:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-760A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 33 to 16233 (3:36) in 1:58. Filename: K:\- Track 1.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: FB3D1C1A

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 16233 to 60933 (9:56) in 5:03. Filename: K:\- Track 2.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: F6718546

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 60933 to 86508 (5:41) in 2:50. Filename: K:\- Track 3.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: F6BDC1DE

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 86508 to 118083 (7:01) in 3:25. Filename: K:\- Track 4.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: A9A982D7

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 118083 to 141758 (5:15) in 2:32. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 83589822

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 141758 to 166283 (5:27) in 2:37. Filename: K:\- Track 6.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 0E9A7540

--------------

6 Tracks Ripped Securely

I have C2 enabled. Should the Extraction Log make any reference to C2 errors at all (how many errors there were etc)? I have selected the "Detailed" option in R12 for Extraction Logs. I've noticed other logs posted here also detail "Re-ripped Frames" but my logs don't - anything to worry about or will errors only show up in the log if there was any?

New update:

EAC v.09 beta 4 (using that because it's whats recommended by ubernet.org, among other reasons)

EAC vs dBpowerAMP with a significantly damaged CD (comparing two different drives to illustrate what I believe  indicates a need to further refine, tweak, optimize the error correction algorithm/mechanisms with dBpowerAMP.

This info is an extension to my previous post above this one.

-usefua is used here by the way, that is why the drive cache is disabled in EAC, C2 is disabled because this version of EAC does not recognize the 716A as having C2.

EAC extraction logfile from 22. October 2006, 11:05 for CD
Bass Quake / Bass After Shock

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-716A   Adapter: 2  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : No
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Installed external ASPI interface


Track  1
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass Quake.wav

   Peak level 84.4 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 78AC349D
   Copy CRC 78AC349D
   Copy OK

Track  2
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Quad's Up.wav

   Peak level 88.5 %
   Track quality 99.9 %
   Test CRC DAFD681B
   Copy CRC DAFD681B
   Copy OK

Track  3
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\30 Below.wav

   Peak level 85.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 83207619
   Copy CRC 83207619
   Copy OK

Track  4
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass 2 Bass.wav

   Peak level 95.9 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 4C7EE209
   Copy CRC 4C7EE209
   Copy OK

Track  5
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Bass Supply.wav

   Peak level 80.6 %
   Track quality 99.9 %
   Test CRC C10F3211
   Copy CRC C10F3211
   Copy OK

Track  6
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Richter Scales.wav

   Peak level 87.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 65630459
   Copy CRC 65630459
   Copy OK

Track  7
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Boom Boom Boom.wav

   Peak level 68.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC A99E7D0B
   Copy CRC A99E7D0B
   Copy OK

Track  8
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Underground Bass.wav

   Peak level 77.0 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 37285062
   Copy CRC 37285062
   Copy OK

Track  9
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Fool 4 Da Bass.wav

   Peak level 72.7 %
   Track quality 99.8 %
[b]Test CRC 00322FB1
   Copy CRC 39878FCE[/b]
   Copy OK

Track 10
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Sub Sonix.wav

   Peak level 71.5 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC A949A424
   Copy CRC A949A424
   Copy OK

Track 11
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Liquid Bass.wav

   Peak level 72.7 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 8DC2D683
   Copy CRC 8DC2D683
   Copy OK

Track 12
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Tremors.wav

   Peak level 67.9 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC 846E1A57
   Copy CRC 846E1A57
   Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

If you look closely and notice, all the CRC's match exactly as extracted from EAC with the internal Plextor drive as they do with the LITE-ON drive with dBpowerAMP, EXCEPT FOR ONE --the most heavily damaged track --track 9.  Note these differences:

  Track  9
  Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake_EAC_716_SATA\Fool 4 Da Bass.wav

  Peak level 72.7 %
  Track quality 99.8 %
  Test CRC 00322FB1
  Copy CRC 39878FCE

Notice even here EAC FAILS to produce a copy CRC that MATCHES the TEST CRC

Now track 9 from the LITE-ON with dBpowerAMP:

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:12. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

  Copy OK

Notice something VERY interesting here, dBpowerAMP with the Lite-On drive produced the exact same CRC as the TEST CRC of the same track with the Plextor extracted with EAC (the full settings are indicated in the previous post for each drive).

Upon comparing the WAV files within EAC here are the results:

Lite-On extraction of track 9 with dBpowerAMP R12 A7 with c2 and Plextools (PX-716) extraction of the same damaged disc
(using level 5 error correction)

ALL SAMPLES ARE THE SAME, NO DIFFERENCE
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

EAC Extraction vs. PX-716 Plextools Extraction Track 9
error type                  Position                                    (repeated again on right side in EAC)
different samples        0:00:37.816 - 0:00:37.823


EAC Extraction vs. Lite-On extraction (dBpowerAMP R12 A7 C2) Track 9
error type                  Position                                    (repeated again on right side in EAC)
different samples        0:00:37.816 - 0:00:37.823

[This leads me to believe that dBpowerAMP with the Lite-On drive with C2 is working perfectly, as it matches every file (with comparing wavs) with PX-716 extracted with Plextools.  Also, this is reinforced by the fact that the Lite-On dBpowerAMP extraction, as well as the Plextools PX-716 extraction, both DIFFER AND SHOW THE EXACT SAME ERROR IN SAMPLES POSITION RELATIVE TO THE EAC EXTRACTION.

Note again: all other CRC's of the tracks of this purposely damaged disc match between programs, and the Plextools extraction wav's all show no differences in samples whatsoever with the dBpowerAMP extraction with the Lite-ON

This reveals two things to me:  1) It illustrates that dBpowerAMP definitely HAS potential to be 100% accurate with some research into heavily analyzing and testing it further as it develops.

2) It illustrates that Plextools is also well designed and is capable of allowing a Plextor drive to read extremely heavily scratched CD's and still get the data extracted without errors in the files.

3)  It illustrates that there is a relatively high degree of agreement between all three programs, and this kind of comparative analysis should be helpful in finding out what can be done to optimize dBpowerAMP so that it is always deadly accurate, with any good, capable drive.

Yes Ideally I should have used a disc that was in the AR database, but I wasn't willing to sacrifice something that I actually listen to that is popular for the purposes of these tests.


Plextor PX-716 extraction of track 9 using dBpowerAMP with C2 result = Fail outright, massive errors

PX-716 Track 9 dBpowerAMP C2

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
  CRC32: 00322FB1
    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 165)
    Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 38)
    Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 131)
    Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 27)
    Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 263)
    Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 54)
    Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 8)
    Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 35)
    Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 28)
    Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 103)
    Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14  (c2 dropped 50)
    Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 62)
    Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 11)
    Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 44)
    Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 14)
    Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 19)
    Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 24)
    Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 45)
    Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 280)
    Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 3)
    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 25)
    Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 111)
    Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 267)
    Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 60)
    Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 252)
    Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 15)
    Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 76)
    Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 22)
    Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 191)
    Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11

--This track errored out in dBpowerAMP, and resulted in only a 44Kb file being written to the drive (should have been many MB in size.  NOTICE however, that the same CRC was generated as with the Lite-ON, as well as from the EAC TEST extraction (not the EAC Copy extraction, oddly enough), even though the track failed to extract.

All correctly extracted tracks played back fine without any noticeable distortion, clicks, pops, skips of any kind whatsoever, including the successful extractions of track 9 where applicable.

@TrueAudio

Looking at the logs quickly, these frames stand out, external plextor:

    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]

Internal Plextor:

    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 331)

External Plextor:

    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 165)

Internal Plextor:

    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)

I would run a test on the same cd with FUA not used, just try the correct cache amount set, to be sure. The Lite-on seems to outperform both Plextor 716s by a huge margine (not a single frame required to be re-ripeed)...

@ David Lytham

Looking at your log, no errors were detected so there is no reporting, find yourself a very scratched cd and you will seem a full log

I would run a test on the same cd with FUA not used, just try the correct cache amount set, to be sure. The Lite-on seems to outperform both Plextor 716s by a huge margine (not a single frame required to be re-ripeed)...

You were correct, I didn't have the cache detected (I didn't think it mattered since I had the FUA option enabled, but apparently it does.  Here is the Bass Quake extraction log of the PX-716UF with the cache detected as well as FUA disabled  Also, oddly enough I noticed that the cache detection is THE ONLY thing that is important (to be used *before* testing for FUA compatability).  You can have the actual cache detected properly, and then turn on the use FUA option if it shows that the drive supports it, and it will still work just fine.

I'm not sure if enabling FUA does anything with the cache having a number other than 0 in it?.  I also did a separate rip with FUA enabled of this entire disc, it resulted in exactly the same results with no re-reads needed at all.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 5772 (1:16) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 01 - Bass Quake.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 78AC349D

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 5772 to 27515 (4:49) in 0:50. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 02 - Quad's Up.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: DAFD681B

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 27515 to 44732 (3:49) in 0:35. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 03 - 30 Below.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 83207619

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 44732 to 60782 (3:34) in 0:31. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 04 - Bass 2 Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 4C7EE209

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 60782 to 79090 (4:04) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 05 - Bass Supply.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: C10F3211

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 79090 to 100995 (4:52) in 0:37. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 06 - Richter Scales.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 65630459

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 100995 to 117700 (3:42) in 0:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 07 - Boom Boom Boom.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A99E7D0B

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 117700 to 139525 (4:51) in 0:33. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 08 - Underground Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 37285062

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 155282 to 174697 (4:18) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 10 - Sub Sonix.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: A949A424

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 174697 to 192770 (4:00) in 0:24. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 11 - Liquid Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 8DC2D683

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 192770 to 198590 (1:17) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 12 - Tremors.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 846E1A57

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12 Tracks Ripped Securely

Here is some new info, including another interesting twist, this time with the Lite-On drive [NOTE -different disc this time with a problematic last track]:

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 1:20 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 670 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 33859 (7:31) in 0:22. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 01 - Star Wars And The Revenge Of The Sith.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: B46E4BA2

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 33859 to 55310 (4:46) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 02 - Anakin's Dream.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: A7CB1AEB

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 55310 to 71987 (3:42) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 03 - Battle Of The Heroes.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: C7A58552

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 71987 to 90262 (4:03) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 04 - Anakin's Betrayal.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F21D73C4

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 90262 to 108788 (4:07) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 05 - General Grievous.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 77C88324

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 108788 to 133166 (5:25) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 06 - Palpatine's Teachings.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6B841453

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 133166 to 148734 (3:27) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 07 - Grievous And The Droids.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 2D4B8BEC

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 148734 to 163494 (3:16) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 08 - Padme's Ruminations.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 3DDD17C0

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 163494 to 181285 (3:57) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 09 - Anakin Vs. Obi-Wan.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 4169D22E

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 181285 to 199669 (4:05) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 10 - Anakin's Dark Deeds.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 5301D9F4

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 199669 to 218752 (4:14) in 0:06. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 11 - Enter Lord Vader.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 1876BF73

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 218752 to 230886 (2:41) in 0:03. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 12 - The Immolation Scene.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 16)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 5E3C6FA2

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 230886 to 243591 (2:49) in 0:03. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 13 - Grievous Speaks To Lord Sidious.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 13641D81

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 243591 to 259879 (3:37) in 0:04. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 14 - The Birth Of The Twins And Padme's Destiny.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 17)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 28D4F543

Track 15:  Ripped LBA 259879 to 318813 (13:05) in 2:01. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 15 - A New Hope And End Credits.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15)     [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 234 Frames]
  CRC32: B8406495
    Re-rip Frame: 289206 (00:06:31.026) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
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    Re-rip Frame: 292800 (00:07:18.946) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 292821 (00:07:19.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 292842 (00:07:19.506) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 292863 (00:07:19.786) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 292884 (00:07:20.066) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 292968 (00:07:21.186) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 292989 (00:07:21.466) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293010 (00:07:21.746) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293030 (00:07:22.013) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293031 (00:07:22.026) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293051 (00:07:22.293) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293052 (00:07:22.306) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293093 (00:07:22.853) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293094 (00:07:22.866) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293114 (00:07:23.133) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293115 (00:07:23.146) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 293219 (00:07:24.533) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 311176 (00:11:23.960) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 311177 (00:11:23.973) matched 10 / 11

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15 Tracks Ripped Accurately

Observe the last track extracted with the Plextor this time (with cache detected but yet also, FUA enabled --it didn't even have to do an ultra pass here.  By the way, this last track showed c2 errors and even a red, bad block of data when scanned by Nero CD speed with the Lite-On drive --notice the CRC's

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:30 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 15:  Ripped LBA 259879 to 318813 (13:05) in 1:38. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars Episode III - Revenge Of The Sith - 15 - A New Hope And End Credits.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 15)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: B8406495

--------------

1 Tracks Ripped Accurately

More cross-verification showing that something must be being done right.

EAC extraction logfile from 22. October 2006, 15:52 for CD
John Williams / Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith [Original Motion Picture Soundtrack]

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-716A   Adapter: 2  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : No
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Installed external ASPI interface


Track 15
   Filename K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams_EAC_TRACK_15_NOC2\A New Hope and End Credits.wav

   Peak level 90.1 %
   Track quality 100.0 %
   Test CRC B8406495
   Copy CRC B8406495
   Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

By the way Spoon, question:

How could track 15 from the Lite-On log match the Accuraterip database as well as the CRC's from EAC and from the flawless rip of the Plextor when it had these two lines of code in the log?:

Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)

any chance of a linux port? 

>Re-rip Frame: 289331 (00:06:32.693). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)
>Re-rip Frame: 289332 (00:06:32.706). Insecure (c2 dropped 700)

Two possibilities - the c2 is reporting an error which is not there (very possible), or the frame might be silence audio, which it just happened to return (not overly likely).

If I have things right, enablng FUA on your 716 makes it rip with lots of c2 errors, disabling it and it rips ok? (the cache value is not used with FUA, so 0 should be ok).

This makes me wonder... do you mark frames as bad which reported c2 (probably corrected) or cu (uncorrected)?

From the MMC3 specs:

01b C2 error block data

The C2 error, Pointer bits (2 352 bits or 294 bytes) is included in the data stream. There is one bit for each byte in error in the sector (2 352 total). The bit ordering is from the most significant bit to the least significant bit in each byte. The first bytes in the sector are the first
bits/bytes in the data stream.

c2 has two ways of failling, by missing an error completely, or to flag an error which is not there.

From the MMC3 specs:

01b C2 error block data

The C2 error, Pointer bits (2 352 bits or 294 bytes) is included in the data stream. There is one bit for each byte in error in the sector (2 352 total). The bit ordering is from the most significant bit to the least significant bit in each byte. The first bytes in the sector are the first
bits/bytes in the data stream.

c2 has two ways of failling, by missing an error completely, or to flag an error which is not there.

I guess these include "probably corrected" c2 errors then... Sorry, I don't know much about how the drive sends its data to the PC, but I know how the error correction works. I think TrueAudio's drive was able to correct the errors at the c2 stage, but still flagged them every time because a c2 correction was necessary.

spath might jump in here, it might be implemented differently between drives (heck c2 is far from uniform across drives, I am getting reports from some drives that readcd with LBA will not work with c2, where as readcd MSF with c2 does work), I would have thought correctable ones would not be flagged.

any chance of a linux port? 

Works great with Wine on Ubuntu 6.06 (The Dapper Drake) for me.

Quote from: VCSkier on 2006-10-23 06:58:17

any chance of a linux port? 

Works great with Wine on Ubuntu 6.06 (The Dapper Drake) for me.

I'll second that

worked fine in Ubuntu 6.10 last time I tried

Thats good news! Now if only foobar did! gooooosh.

If I have things right, enablng FUA on your 716 makes it rip with lots of c2 errors, disabling it and it rips ok? (the cache value is not used with FUA, so 0 should be ok).

Not entirely correct.  Here is the exact breakdown:

I.  If you have FUA support enabled BEFORE you have done the cache detection (i.e. cache says NONE; this is the exact scenario that causes the drive to have to re-read, and results in it completely FAILING to extract in some cases as seen here again --note, even though it calculates the correct CRC, the resulting extracted file is **unplayable** (i.e. unrecognizable by both EAC "process WAV", as well as Foobar 2000) and is only 44 KILOBYTES in size)  it also is marked with a red 'X' with the word "fail" (NOT "i" secure) next to that track in dBpowerAMP.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, October 20, 2006 8:24 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF 1.10  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 2:26. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 da Bass.wav
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 52 Frames]
  CRC32: 00322FB1
    Re-rip Frame: 141780 (00:00:30.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 165)
    Re-rip Frame: 141796 (00:00:30.280) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 141811 (00:00:30.480) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 38)
    Re-rip Frame: 141812 (00:00:30.493) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 131)
    Re-rip Frame: 142471 (00:00:39.280) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143588 (00:00:54.173) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 143604 (00:00:54.386) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 27)
    Re-rip Frame: 143620 (00:00:54.600) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 263)
    Re-rip Frame: 143651 (00:00:55.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 54)
    Re-rip Frame: 144392 (00:01:04.893) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 144408 (00:01:05.106) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 16)
    Re-rip Frame: 144424 (00:01:05.320) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 8)
    Re-rip Frame: 144440 (00:01:05.533) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 35)
    Re-rip Frame: 144455 (00:01:05.733) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 144456 (00:01:05.746) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 28)
    Re-rip Frame: 144471 (00:01:05.946) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 103)
    Re-rip Frame: 144472 (00:01:05.960) matched 10 / 14  (c2 dropped 50)
    Re-rip Frame: 144487 (00:01:06.160) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 62)
    Re-rip Frame: 144503 (00:01:06.373) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 11)
    Re-rip Frame: 144519 (00:01:06.586) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 44)
    Re-rip Frame: 144534 (00:01:06.786) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 144535 (00:01:06.800) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144550 (00:01:07.000) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144551 (00:01:07.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 144629 (00:01:08.053) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 144630 (00:01:08.066) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 145435 (00:01:18.800) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145436 (00:01:18.813) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 14)
    Re-rip Frame: 145451 (00:01:19.013) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 19)
    Re-rip Frame: 145452 (00:01:19.026) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 24)
    Re-rip Frame: 145467 (00:01:19.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145515 (00:01:19.866) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 2)
    Re-rip Frame: 145879 (00:01:24.720) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 145910 (00:01:25.133) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 45)
    Re-rip Frame: 145911 (00:01:25.146) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 280)
    Re-rip Frame: 145926 (00:01:25.346) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 145927 (00:01:25.360) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 3)
    Re-rip Frame: 145942 (00:01:25.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 691) [c2 best match]
    Re-rip Frame: 145958 (00:01:25.773) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 25)
    Re-rip Frame: 145974 (00:01:25.986) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 111)
    Re-rip Frame: 145990 (00:01:26.200) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 267)
    Re-rip Frame: 146005 (00:01:26.400) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 60)
    Re-rip Frame: 146006 (00:01:26.413) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 252)
    Re-rip Frame: 146021 (00:01:26.613) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 4)
    Re-rip Frame: 146022 (00:01:26.626) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 15)
    Re-rip Frame: 146037 (00:01:26.826) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 1)
    Re-rip Frame: 146053 (00:01:27.040) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 76)
    Re-rip Frame: 146069 (00:01:27.253) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 22)
    Re-rip Frame: 146085 (00:01:27.466) matched 10 / 13  (c2 dropped 191)
    Re-rip Frame: 148202 (00:01:55.693) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 148203 (00:01:55.706) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 152547 (00:02:53.626) matched 10 / 11

II.  If cache detection is done BEFORE FUA is checked (enabled), and the resulting cache size of the PX-716 is detected, it will then extract perfectly with NO re-reads, and matching CRC's, also as long as the cache was detected beforehand, it then subsequently does not matter to the drive in terms of whether FUA is enabled or disabled, either way it will properly extract, ***IT IS ONLY WHEN THE CACHE WAS NOT TESTED FOR, THAT FUA WILL CAUSE THE DRIVE TO FREAK OUT ON CERTAIN TRACKS***.  Proof is provided by the following 2 logs:  note FUA enabled in 1 and disabled in the other --makes no difference, as long as the cache is detected and displayed.  This is why I was asking you if FUA still WORKED when the cache displays a number other than zero.  Because if it does, then why the hell would it error out if you never detected the cache in the first place and left it at "NONE", when FUA invalidates the cache anyways?  It makes absolutely no sense to me other than to suggest that the software is bugged in some manner when interacting with the PX-716 drives (It does this with all of them, not just 1, so it isn't a drive issue).

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:05 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF 1.10  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:19 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF 1.10  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 139525 to 155282 (3:30) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Bass Quake\Bass Quake - Bass After Shock - 09 - Fool 4 Da Bass.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
  CRC32: 00322FB1

To word this another way:  Why does either the combination of the Plextor PX-716 drive and dBpowerAMP *CARE* whether or not the cache was detected and displayed in the field with 1173KB in order to work properly?  When it is 100% fact, and well known that these drives support Force Unit Access (as that is the underlying reason for the speed capabilities of Plextools Pro), and FUA disables the cache anyways?

Fyi

I forgot to add that the C2 errors generated when FUA is enabled without having had first detected the cache only occur on problematic tracks/hard to read/scratched disks etc.  Note this log here from before where the entire disc extracted fine but the cache was never set (had this disc had enough scratches it would have resulted in massive re-rip attempts, but even this would have been fixed, had it occurred, if I detected the cache beforehand  --lol.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:47 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'I:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716UF  1.10   ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 24260 (5:23) in 0:16. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 01 - On the Bound.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 932173EE

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 24260 to 40831 (3:40) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 02 - To Your Love.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 23)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 157B81BF

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 40831 to 56667 (3:31) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 03 - Limp.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 454C730E

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 56667 to 71878 (3:22) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 04 - Love Ridden.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 18E02F5A

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 71878 to 88422 (3:40) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 05 - Paper Bag.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: E8D29123

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 88422 to 110778 (4:58) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 06 - A Mistake.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 986722EF

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 110778 to 131793 (4:40) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 07 - Fast as You Can.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 178FEE51

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 131793 to 151197 (4:18) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 08 - The Way Things Are.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 25)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: AD10091D

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 151197 to 169999 (4:10) in 0:07. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 09 - Get Gone.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 24)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 3080A536

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 169999 to 192160 (4:55) in 0:08. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\Fiona Apple\Fiona Apple - When the Pawn Hits the Conflicts He Thinks Like a King... - 10 - I Know.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 21)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: F8A6AA66

--------------

10 Tracks Ripped Accurately


====================

I notice your rips are all on different days, I am thinking if you were to rip again with FUA and 0kb cache then it would be ok (the code for FUA or cache invalidation is only called if a re-read is needed), on your good rips there are no re-reads needed, hence that would never be called if the drive was working correctly. Also the code for FUA invalidation does not use a cache size, and the cache size is never used if FUA is used.

A friend of mine is having trouble with the cache and FUA settings and his PX-760A, but this might not have anything to do with spoon's program.

As a follow-up, this problem went away once SPTD was removed from his sytem.

spath might jump in here, it might be implemented differently between drives (heck c2 is far from uniform across drives, I am getting reports from some drives that readcd with LBA will not work with c2, where as readcd MSF with c2 does work), I would have thought correctable ones would not be flagged.

Unfortunately manufacturers have different (at least 3) meanings for their C2 flags, probably
because the MMC specs are not clear enough. The correct definition of these flags is in the
Red Book : it should be calculated based on information coming from both C1 and C2 stages
and it should mark bytes which are wrong _after_ C2 correction, so that the flags can be used
for error concealment. However, even when this calculation is correctly done by the drive,
often some correct bytes will be flagged as wrong due to the CIRC structure (much more often
than an actual error which would not be flagged).

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 73755 to 93240 (4:19) in 2:11. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 6 Frames]
  CRC32: 1648C973

What does this warning mean? The log is from a brand new UB40 CD that I have just ripped, all tracks ripped securely apart from this one. I know it means it had to re-rip 6 frames but does this mean I can still treat it as a secure rip?

It was a warning that frames had to be re-ripped, having a detailed log will show the details of those frames.

I do have R12 set to detailed logging.

Below is the log from the CD in which the warning appeared. I can only see the log if I go into the "Extraction Logs" folder where they are saved as .txt files after ripping. A log dosen't appear after ripping even though I have the "add to information log (shown after ripping)" enabled.

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 29 October 2006 9:12 AM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'D:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-760A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 20092 (4:27) in 2:23. Filename: K:\- Track 1.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 6AD9328F

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 20092 to 39052 (4:12) in 2:12. Filename: K:\- Track 2.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: CF7C6693

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 39052 to 58195 (4:15) in 2:10. Filename: K:\- Track 3.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: FD28A7B6

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 58195 to 73755 (3:27) in 1:45. Filename: K:\- Track 4.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 89491ACC

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 73755 to 93240 (4:19) in 2:11. Filename: K:\- Track 5.wav
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 6 Frames]
  CRC32: 1648C973

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 93240 to 110985 (3:56) in 1:56. Filename: K:\- Track 6.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 3CA1725C

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 110985 to 136465 (5:39) in 2:43. Filename: K:\- Track 7.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 7CB3F329

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 136465 to 157900 (4:45) in 2:16. Filename: K:\- Track 8.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 6842FE2A

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 157900 to 173452 (3:27) in 1:40. Filename: K:\- Track 9.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 28E278ED

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 173452 to 187950 (3:13) in 1:33. Filename: K:\- Track 10.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 7D382BA7

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 187950 to 207185 (4:16) in 2:01. Filename: K:\- Track 11.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 53D3CBBE

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 207185 to 221837 (3:15) in 1:33. Filename: K:\- Track 12.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: 8D351B78

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 221837 to 248650 (5:57) in 2:45. Filename: K:\- Track 13.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: E0D2DBB5

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 248650 to 271630 (5:06) in 2:22. Filename: K:\- Track 14.wav
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3]
  CRC32: C3BA7C88

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14 Tracks Ripped: 13 Secure, 1 Secure (Warning)

Sorry I meant the 'complete' setting. Anyhow, it is just a warning because a re-rip was required, if it was an error that got through it would have got past your C2 and re-rip (4 times with ultra), so very unlikely.

Sorry I meant the 'complete' setting. Anyhow, it is just a warning because a re-rip was required, if it was an error that got through it would have got past your C2 and re-rip (4 times with ultra), so very unlikely.

Thanks for clearing that up Spoon 

I understand what you mean now. Basically the log will report if there was an un-recoverable error, in this case the audio was extracted accurately. The log was just telling me that the frame had to be re-ripped but extracted OK.

Q1: Hi, sorry if i'm incompetent and don't know how to configure this right or if it's really like this... but is there a way to configure offset manually? In the option panel for the sample offset, i only see (accuraterip find) and a reset to zero button. Maybe this option isn't available, but then there are users out there (i'm thinking international users) who don't have those "popular" CDs that might be in the database, we'd like to be able to use the default value of the drive, since that's given at http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm (http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm) anyways.

Q2: I installed the generic CLI, ran the GenCLICreator.exe to add a commandline encoder, and added it. But then nothing changed in dbpoweramp cd ripper. Where is the encoder supposed to show up?
"The Shown Name is the title that dMC will use in its right click menu" is what's written in the tutorial, but what right click menu? I right click inside dmc cd ripper and nothing of such appear.

Q3: Will there be a standalone execute version (one that you don't have to install) like EAC has a zip file with the program all there. It'd be nice for people who cary the app on a memory stick with them and rip with whatever computer they come accross.

Thanks.

Only AccurateRip can configure the offset. People from all around the world contribute to the database so popular cds from any culture should be in (and you will just need 1 cd if it matches the one already in the database).

Generic CLI is for the R11.5 (from Codec Central), not compatible with R12 (where you downloaded R12 there is an CLI Encoder).

Q3, it would run from a memory stick - install it to the memory stick, but you wouldn't have offsets configured.

Spoon, is it possible not to have tag information written to wave files automatically?

Yes in dBpowerAMP Configuration >> Codecs >> Advanced

Yes in dBpowerAMP Configuration >> Codecs >> Advanced

Thanks Spoon.  My apologies for not looking for this myself.

Plextor out-performs 2 different Lite-On drives (in this particular test): *Severe* radial scratches on CD.  Plus some weirdness with my other drives occasionall inability to read the disc:  Notice first tho that having teh cache detected or not, apparently doesn't matter (as Spoon had stated earlier).

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 1:50 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'S:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 2:40. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 13 - Confrontation With Count Dooku-Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: DF2DC25A

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1 Tracks Ripped Accurately

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 3:19 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'S:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 2:40. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: DF2DC25A

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1 Tracks Ripped Accurately

The weird thing here was my other PX-716's -both the internal and the other external, BOTH failed to extract the track whatsoever, one of my drives came back with trying to do over 4,500 frame re-rips (not included in logs because I had to cancel it out, would have taken days and dont wanna stress my drive for nothing) --must be minor imperfections in the alignment or laser tracking mechanism that focuses on the disk, the drive I used for the above tests must be dead on perfect to have pulled off what it did.  Take a look at the results from the other drives on this track:

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 1:10 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 32,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 12:  ERROR Ripping LBA 244525 to 282727 (8:29) in 7:34. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 12 - Love Pledge and The Arena.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 282407)

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User Stopped Ripping

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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 2:25 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [JLMS     - XJ-HD166S       ]',  Drive offset: 12,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 5:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 3)   Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 21 Frames]
  CRC32: 7525DA30
    Re-rip Frame: 282731 (00:00:00.053) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 249)
    Re-rip Frame: 282732 (00:00:00.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282733 (00:00:00.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282753 (00:00:00.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282754 (00:00:00.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282774 (00:00:00.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282775 (00:00:00.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282795 (00:00:00.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282796 (00:00:00.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282816 (00:00:01.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282817 (00:00:01.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282837 (00:00:01.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282838 (00:00:01.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282858 (00:00:01.746) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282859 (00:00:01.760). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282880 (00:00:02.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282881 (00:00:02.053). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282922 (00:00:02.600). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282923 (00:00:02.613). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282943 (00:00:02.880). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282944 (00:00:02.893). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)

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1 Tracks Ripped Inaccurately


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 2:31 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'F:   [JLMS     - XJ-HD166S       ]',  Drive offset: 12,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 2,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 4:52. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 3)   Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 21 Frames]
  CRC32: 255994B2
    Re-rip Frame: 282731 (00:00:00.053). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282732 (00:00:00.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282733 (00:00:00.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282753 (00:00:00.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282754 (00:00:00.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282774 (00:00:00.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282775 (00:00:00.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282795 (00:00:00.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282796 (00:00:00.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282816 (00:00:01.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282817 (00:00:01.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282837 (00:00:01.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282838 (00:00:01.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282839 (00:00:01.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282858 (00:00:01.746) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 282859 (00:00:01.760). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282860 (00:00:01.773). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282880 (00:00:02.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282881 (00:00:02.053). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282922 (00:00:02.600). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282923 (00:00:02.613). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)

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1 Tracks Ripped Inaccurately


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 2:37 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  ERROR Ripping LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 0:27. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 282727)

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1 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 2:39 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  ERROR Ripping LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 3:44. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 282727)

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1 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 2:44 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 8,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  ERROR Ripping LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 1:55. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 282727)

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1 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 2:50 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 670 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 8,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 22:21. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 3)   Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 142 Frames]
  CRC32: 80260444
    Re-rip Frame: 282732 (00:00:00.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282733 (00:00:00.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282753 (00:00:00.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282754 (00:00:00.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282774 (00:00:00.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282775 (00:00:00.640) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 282795 (00:00:00.906) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 282796 (00:00:00.920) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 282817 (00:00:01.200) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 282818 (00:00:01.213) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282838 (00:00:01.480) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 282839 (00:00:01.493) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325620 (00:09:31.906) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325621 (00:09:31.920) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325643 (00:09:32.213) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325644 (00:09:32.226) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325665 (00:09:32.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325666 (00:09:32.520). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325687 (00:09:32.800) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325688 (00:09:32.813) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325710 (00:09:33.106) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325711 (00:09:33.120) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325732 (00:09:33.400). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325733 (00:09:33.413). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325754 (00:09:33.693) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325755 (00:09:33.706). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325777 (00:09:34.000). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325778 (00:09:34.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325799 (00:09:34.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325800 (00:09:34.306). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325821 (00:09:34.586). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325822 (00:09:34.600). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325823 (00:09:34.613). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325844 (00:09:34.893). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325845 (00:09:34.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325866 (00:09:35.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325867 (00:09:35.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325888 (00:09:35.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325889 (00:09:35.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325890 (00:09:35.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325911 (00:09:35.786). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325912 (00:09:35.800). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325933 (00:09:36.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325934 (00:09:36.093). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325935 (00:09:36.106) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 325956 (00:09:36.386). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325957 (00:09:36.400). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325978 (00:09:36.680). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 325979 (00:09:36.693). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326000 (00:09:36.973). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326001 (00:09:36.986). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326002 (00:09:37.000). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326023 (00:09:37.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326024 (00:09:37.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326045 (00:09:37.573). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326046 (00:09:37.586). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326067 (00:09:37.866). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326068 (00:09:37.880). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326069 (00:09:37.893). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326090 (00:09:38.173). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326091 (00:09:38.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326112 (00:09:38.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326113 (00:09:38.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326114 (00:09:38.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326135 (00:09:38.773). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326136 (00:09:38.786). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326157 (00:09:39.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326158 (00:09:39.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326180 (00:09:39.373). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326181 (00:09:39.386). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326202 (00:09:39.666). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326203 (00:09:39.680). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326224 (00:09:39.960). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326225 (00:09:39.973). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326247 (00:09:40.266). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326248 (00:09:40.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326269 (00:09:40.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326270 (00:09:40.573). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326292 (00:09:40.866). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326293 (00:09:40.880). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326314 (00:09:41.160). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326315 (00:09:41.173). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326336 (00:09:41.453). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326337 (00:09:41.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326628 (00:09:45.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326629 (00:09:45.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326650 (00:09:45.640) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 326651 (00:09:45.653). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326672 (00:09:45.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326673 (00:09:45.946). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326695 (00:09:46.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326696 (00:09:46.253). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326717 (00:09:46.533). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326718 (00:09:46.546). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326739 (00:09:46.826). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326740 (00:09:46.840). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326741 (00:09:46.853). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326762 (00:09:47.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326763 (00:09:47.146). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326784 (00:09:47.426). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326785 (00:09:47.440). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326807 (00:09:47.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326808 (00:09:47.746). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326829 (00:09:48.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326830 (00:09:48.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326851 (00:09:48.320). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326852 (00:09:48.333). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326853 (00:09:48.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326874 (00:09:48.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326875 (00:09:48.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326896 (00:09:48.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326897 (00:09:48.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326898 (00:09:48.946). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326919 (00:09:49.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326920 (00:09:49.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326941 (00:09:49.520). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326942 (00:09:49.533). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326963 (00:09:49.813). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326964 (00:09:49.826). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326965 (00:09:49.840). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326986 (00:09:50.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326987 (00:09:50.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327008 (00:09:50.413). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327009 (00:09:50.426). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327010 (00:09:50.440). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327031 (00:09:50.720). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327032 (00:09:50.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327053 (00:09:51.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327054 (00:09:51.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327076 (00:09:51.320). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327077 (00:09:51.333). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327098 (00:09:51.613). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327099 (00:09:51.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327120 (00:09:51.906) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 327121 (00:09:51.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327122 (00:09:51.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327143 (00:09:52.213). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327144 (00:09:52.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327165 (00:09:52.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327166 (00:09:52.520). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327210 (00:09:53.106). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327211 (00:09:53.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)

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1 Tracks Ripped Inaccurately


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 3:19 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'S:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 2:40. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: DF2DC25A

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1 Tracks Ripped Accurately


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 3:31 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'F:   [JLMS     - XJ-HD166S       ]',  Drive offset: 12,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 190 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 4:01. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 3)   Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 12 Frames]
  CRC32: E88937F8
    Re-rip Frame: 282732 (00:00:00.066) matched 10 / 12  (c2 dropped 668)
    Re-rip Frame: 282733 (00:00:00.080) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282753 (00:00:00.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282754 (00:00:00.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282774 (00:00:00.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282775 (00:00:00.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282795 (00:00:00.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282796 (00:00:00.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282816 (00:00:01.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282817 (00:00:01.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282837 (00:00:01.466) matched 10 / 11  (c2 dropped 224)
    Re-rip Frame: 282838 (00:00:01.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)

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1 Tracks Ripped Inaccurately


====================

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 3:37 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'H:   [LITE-ON  - DVDRW SHW-160H6S]',  Drive offset: 6,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 670 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 13:  ERROR Ripping LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 5:50. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
    Re-rip Frame: 282732 (00:00:00.066) matched 10 / 12

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1 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped


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dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 3:47 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'G:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 13:  ERROR Ripping LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 0:30. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 282779)


====================

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 3:49 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'G:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-716A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 13:  ERROR Ripping LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 0:46. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 282779)


====================

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Monday, October 30, 2006 12:10 PM

Drive & Settings
----------------

Ripping with drive 'F:   [JLMS     - XJ-HD166S       ]',  Drive offset: 12,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 24,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
--------------

Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 16970 (3:46) in 0:17. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 01 - Star Wars Main Title - Ambush On Coruscant.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 034B337B

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 16970 to 41967 (5:33) in 0:23. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 02 - Across The Stars (Love Theme From Attack Of The Clones).wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 5130BFB1

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 41967 to 92022 (11:07) in 0:39. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 03 - Zam The Assassin-The Chase Through Coruscant.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 2BFE57E2

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 92022 to 109670 (3:55) in 0:12. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 04 - Yoda And The Younglings.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: C96B8D87

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 109670 to 117495 (1:44) in 0:05. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 05 - Departing Coruscant.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 6F8FD1F8

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 117495 to 135242 (3:56) in 0:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 06 - Anakin and Padmé.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: DA70A821

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 135242 to 152377 (3:48) in 0:10. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 07 - Jango's Escape.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: D26760D0

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 152377 to 171452 (4:14) in 0:11. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 08 - The Meadow Picnic.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 9367C2C6

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 171452 to 186700 (3:23) in 0:09. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 09 - Bounty Hunter's Pursuit.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 151E6F63

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 186700 to 217950 (6:56) in 0:17. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 10 - Return To Tatooine.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: 3E304D69

Track 11:  Ripped LBA 217950 to 244525 (5:54) in 0:14. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 11 - The Tusken Camp-The Homestead.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: E89965F1

Track 12:  Ripped LBA 244525 to 282727 (8:29) in 34:02. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 12 - Love Pledge-The Arena.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 4)   Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 334 Frames]
  CRC32: 85ADF42B
    Re-rip Frame: 264775 (00:04:30.000) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 264776 (00:04:30.013) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 264795 (00:04:30.266) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 264796 (00:04:30.280) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 264816 (00:04:30.546) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 264817 (00:04:30.560) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 264836 (00:04:30.813) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 264837 (00:04:30.826) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 264857 (00:04:31.093) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 264858 (00:04:31.106) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 264878 (00:04:31.373). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 264879 (00:04:31.386). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 264898 (00:04:31.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 264899 (00:04:31.653). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 264919 (00:04:31.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 264920 (00:04:31.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265477 (00:04:39.360) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 265517 (00:04:39.893) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 265518 (00:04:39.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265538 (00:04:40.173). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265539 (00:04:40.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265558 (00:04:40.440). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265559 (00:04:40.453). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265579 (00:04:40.720). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265580 (00:04:40.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265600 (00:04:41.000). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265601 (00:04:41.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265620 (00:04:41.266). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265621 (00:04:41.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265641 (00:04:41.546). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265642 (00:04:41.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265661 (00:04:41.813). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265662 (00:04:41.826). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265663 (00:04:41.840). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265682 (00:04:42.093). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265683 (00:04:42.106). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265684 (00:04:42.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265703 (00:04:42.373). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265704 (00:04:42.386). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265723 (00:04:42.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265724 (00:04:42.653). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265725 (00:04:42.666). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265744 (00:04:42.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265745 (00:04:42.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265765 (00:04:43.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265766 (00:04:43.213). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265785 (00:04:43.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265786 (00:04:43.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265806 (00:04:43.746). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265807 (00:04:43.760). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265827 (00:04:44.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265828 (00:04:44.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265847 (00:04:44.293) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 265848 (00:04:44.306). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 265868 (00:04:44.573) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 265869 (00:04:44.586) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 265889 (00:04:44.853) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 278325 (00:07:30.666). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278326 (00:07:30.680). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278346 (00:07:30.946). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278347 (00:07:30.960). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278367 (00:07:31.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278368 (00:07:31.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278388 (00:07:31.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278389 (00:07:31.520). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278409 (00:07:31.786). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278410 (00:07:31.800). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278430 (00:07:32.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278431 (00:07:32.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278451 (00:07:32.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278452 (00:07:32.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278472 (00:07:32.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278473 (00:07:32.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278493 (00:07:32.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278494 (00:07:32.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278514 (00:07:33.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278515 (00:07:33.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278535 (00:07:33.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278536 (00:07:33.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278556 (00:07:33.746). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278557 (00:07:33.760). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278577 (00:07:34.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278578 (00:07:34.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278598 (00:07:34.306). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278599 (00:07:34.320). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278619 (00:07:34.586). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278620 (00:07:34.600). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278621 (00:07:34.613). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278640 (00:07:34.866). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278641 (00:07:34.880). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278642 (00:07:34.893). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278661 (00:07:35.146) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 278662 (00:07:35.160). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278663 (00:07:35.173). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278683 (00:07:35.440). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278684 (00:07:35.453). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278704 (00:07:35.720). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278705 (00:07:35.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278725 (00:07:36.000). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278726 (00:07:36.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278746 (00:07:36.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278747 (00:07:36.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278767 (00:07:36.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278768 (00:07:36.573). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278788 (00:07:36.840). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278789 (00:07:36.853). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278809 (00:07:37.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278810 (00:07:37.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278830 (00:07:37.400). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278831 (00:07:37.413). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278851 (00:07:37.680). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278852 (00:07:37.693). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278872 (00:07:37.960). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278873 (00:07:37.973). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278893 (00:07:38.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278894 (00:07:38.253). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278914 (00:07:38.520). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278915 (00:07:38.533). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278935 (00:07:38.800). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278936 (00:07:38.813). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278956 (00:07:39.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278957 (00:07:39.093). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278977 (00:07:39.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278978 (00:07:39.373). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278998 (00:07:39.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 278999 (00:07:39.653). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279019 (00:07:39.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279020 (00:07:39.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279040 (00:07:40.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279041 (00:07:40.213). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279042 (00:07:40.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279061 (00:07:40.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279062 (00:07:40.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279063 (00:07:40.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279082 (00:07:40.760). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279083 (00:07:40.773). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279084 (00:07:40.786). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279103 (00:07:41.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279104 (00:07:41.053). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279105 (00:07:41.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279125 (00:07:41.333). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279126 (00:07:41.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279146 (00:07:41.613). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279147 (00:07:41.626) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 279167 (00:07:41.893). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279168 (00:07:41.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279188 (00:07:42.173). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279189 (00:07:42.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279209 (00:07:42.453). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279210 (00:07:42.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279230 (00:07:42.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279231 (00:07:42.746). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279251 (00:07:43.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279252 (00:07:43.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279272 (00:07:43.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279273 (00:07:43.306). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279461 (00:07:45.813). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 279462 (00:07:45.826). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280451 (00:07:59.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280452 (00:07:59.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280472 (00:07:59.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280473 (00:07:59.306). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280493 (00:07:59.573). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280494 (00:07:59.586). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280514 (00:07:59.853). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280515 (00:07:59.866). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280535 (00:08:00.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280536 (00:08:00.146). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280556 (00:08:00.413). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280557 (00:08:00.426). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280578 (00:08:00.706). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280579 (00:08:00.720). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280599 (00:08:00.986). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280600 (00:08:01.000). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280620 (00:08:01.266). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280621 (00:08:01.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280641 (00:08:01.546). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280642 (00:08:01.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280662 (00:08:01.826). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280663 (00:08:01.840). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280664 (00:08:01.853) matched 10 / 12
    Re-rip Frame: 280683 (00:08:02.106). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280684 (00:08:02.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280685 (00:08:02.133) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 280704 (00:08:02.386). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280705 (00:08:02.400). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280706 (00:08:02.413) matched 10 / 14
    Re-rip Frame: 280725 (00:08:02.666). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280726 (00:08:02.680). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280747 (00:08:02.960). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280767 (00:08:03.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280768 (00:08:03.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280788 (00:08:03.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280789 (00:08:03.520). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280790 (00:08:03.533). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280810 (00:08:03.800). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280811 (00:08:03.813). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280831 (00:08:04.080). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280832 (00:08:04.093). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280852 (00:08:04.360). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280853 (00:08:04.373). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280873 (00:08:04.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280874 (00:08:04.653). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280894 (00:08:04.920). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280895 (00:08:04.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280915 (00:08:05.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280916 (00:08:05.213). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280917 (00:08:05.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280936 (00:08:05.480). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280937 (00:08:05.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280938 (00:08:05.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280957 (00:08:05.760). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280958 (00:08:05.773). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280959 (00:08:05.786). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280978 (00:08:06.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280979 (00:08:06.053). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280980 (00:08:06.066). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 280999 (00:08:06.320). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281000 (00:08:06.333). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281001 (00:08:06.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281021 (00:08:06.613). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281022 (00:08:06.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281042 (00:08:06.893). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281043 (00:08:06.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281063 (00:08:07.173). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281064 (00:08:07.186). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281084 (00:08:07.453). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281085 (00:08:07.466). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281105 (00:08:07.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281106 (00:08:07.746). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281107 (00:08:07.760). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281126 (00:08:08.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281127 (00:08:08.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281128 (00:08:08.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281147 (00:08:08.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281148 (00:08:08.306). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281149 (00:08:08.320). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281168 (00:08:08.573). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281169 (00:08:08.586). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281170 (00:08:08.600). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281189 (00:08:08.853). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281190 (00:08:08.866). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281191 (00:08:08.880). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281211 (00:08:09.146). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281212 (00:08:09.160). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281232 (00:08:09.426). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281233 (00:08:09.440). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281253 (00:08:09.706). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281254 (00:08:09.720). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281255 (00:08:09.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281274 (00:08:09.986). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281275 (00:08:10.000). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281276 (00:08:10.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281295 (00:08:10.266). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281296 (00:08:10.280). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281297 (00:08:10.293). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281316 (00:08:10.546). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281317 (00:08:10.560). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281318 (00:08:10.573). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281337 (00:08:10.826). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281338 (00:08:10.840). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281339 (00:08:10.853). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281359 (00:08:11.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281360 (00:08:11.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281380 (00:08:11.400). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281381 (00:08:11.413). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281401 (00:08:11.680). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281402 (00:08:11.693). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281422 (00:08:11.960). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281423 (00:08:11.973). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281443 (00:08:12.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281444 (00:08:12.253). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281464 (00:08:12.520). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281465 (00:08:12.533). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281590 (00:08:14.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281591 (00:08:14.213). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281592 (00:08:14.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281612 (00:08:14.493). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281613 (00:08:14.506). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281633 (00:08:14.773). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281676 (00:08:15.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281697 (00:08:15.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281718 (00:08:15.906). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281823 (00:08:17.306). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281824 (00:08:17.320). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281845 (00:08:17.600). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281866 (00:08:17.880). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281887 (00:08:18.160). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281908 (00:08:18.440). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281909 (00:08:18.453). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281929 (00:08:18.720). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281930 (00:08:18.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281950 (00:08:19.000). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 281951 (00:08:19.013). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282013 (00:08:19.840). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282014 (00:08:19.853). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282034 (00:08:20.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282035 (00:08:20.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282097 (00:08:20.960). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282098 (00:08:20.973). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282099 (00:08:20.986) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282118 (00:08:21.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282119 (00:08:21.253). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282120 (00:08:21.266). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282140 (00:08:21.533). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282141 (00:08:21.546). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282161 (00:08:21.813). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282162 (00:08:21.826). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282182 (00:08:22.093). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282183 (00:08:22.106). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282203 (00:08:22.373). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282204 (00:08:22.386). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282224 (00:08:22.653). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282225 (00:08:22.666). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282245 (00:08:22.933). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282246 (00:08:22.946). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282247 (00:08:22.960). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282266 (00:08:23.213). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282267 (00:08:23.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282268 (00:08:23.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282288 (00:08:23.506) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282289 (00:08:23.520) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282309 (00:08:23.786) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282310 (00:08:23.800) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282330 (00:08:24.066) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282331 (00:08:24.080) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282351 (00:08:24.346) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282352 (00:08:24.360) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282415 (00:08:25.200). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 282416 (00:08:25.213) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282436 (00:08:25.480) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282437 (00:08:25.493) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282457 (00:08:25.760) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 282458 (00:08:25.773) matched 10 / 11

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 3:15. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\John Williams\John Williams - Star Wars; Episode Ii - Attack Of The Clones - 13 - Confrontation With Count Dooku-Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Inaccurate (confidence 3)   Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 3, Re-Rip 15 Frames]
  CRC32: D1A5D33C
    Re-rip Frame: 326672 (00:09:45.933) matched 10 / 10
    Re-rip Frame: 326717 (00:09:46.533). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326718 (00:09:46.546). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326829 (00:09:48.026). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326830 (00:09:48.040). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326852 (00:09:48.333). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326853 (00:09:48.346). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326874 (00:09:48.626). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326875 (00:09:48.640). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326919 (00:09:49.226). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326920 (00:09:49.240). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326986 (00:09:50.120). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 326987 (00:09:50.133). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327031 (00:09:50.720). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)
    Re-rip Frame: 327032 (00:09:50.733). Insecure  (c2 dropped 700)

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13 Tracks Ripped: 11 Accurate, 2 Inaccurate


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Notice for the Plextor to extract this it had to be set to 4X speed (any higher not possible due to the damage)

Track 13 that was successfully extracted by only ONE out of THREE of my PX-716's plays back perfectly with no audible defects.  Can someone say quality control issues at Plextor's end with regards to the inconsistencies with these drives?  Nonetheless, one drive managed to pull it off, and the two brand new lite-ons failed, even at 4x speed (and 2X which I tried also on one drive).  I'll have to see how my Premium handles this when I hook it up.

If all the Plextors were the same age and had the same usage then yes it would be Plextor manufacturing issues.

>Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 282779)

This on the Lite-on might be solvable, in the next Alpha (couple of weeks).

If all the Plextors were the same age and had the same usage then yes it would be Plextor manufacturing issues.

They are, both (suprisingly) TLA#0304, the one that works better is actually the older TLA#0203, kind of flies in the face of what alot of others have said on sites such as www.cdfreaks.com and others.


New drive test, same difficult track:

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Tuesday, October 31, 2006 10:45 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - CD-R   PREMIUM  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 1173 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: 4,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: No,  Min Passes: 1,  Max Passes: 6,  Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: Wave -compression="PCM"

Extraction Log
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Track 13:  Ripped LBA 282727 to 331090 (10:44) in 2:40. Filename: K:\DBPWRAMP_EXT_AUDIO\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack\ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - ginal Motion Picture Soundtrack - 13 - Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale.wav
  AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 2)     [Pass 1]
  CRC32: DF2DC25A

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1 Tracks Ripped Accurately

====================

Spoon, I hope all my posts will help you tweak your code, help eliminate possible bugs, and perfect/optimize the great work you are doing with your program.  One of the best things I like about it is due to the way it uses both rereads and c2, as you had stated elsewhere, it places (probably considerably) less stress on drives than EAC does.  Once you release the final version, I'll send you a donation (if you accept donations).

One question I have though; I notice there are 2 different drive speed settings:  One on the main window that comes up under drive ripping speed, and the other within the secure settings tab under Individual Bad Frames.  Are these speed settings mutually exclusive, or does the one on the main page override the other?  Please explain the difference between the independent drive speed options, thank you.

Just wanted to let you know spoon that I've not managed to crash (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=47415&st=25#) the latest version of your ripper. I would like to see Burst Mode rip logs and in the Secure Mode ripping I'd like to see time positions of the errors (apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, still playing catch up). Other than that I've been using it a few days now and it's looking great.

Keep up the good work!

Ah XP64, again we have done little (only shell extensions) testing on x64, will do in the last month before release.

Hey spoon, I'm a first-time poster here with a problem (what else ). I installed the latest alpha yesterday and ripped a couple CDs. The disc I'm currently trying to rip is pretty scratched-up, so I've been playing around with the ultra pass and reread options. Everything seemed to be fine, but then ripping with C2 detection suddenly stopped working. When I try to rip with C2 enabled all my tracks fail on the first frame with this error: "Unable to read CD, check CD disc". Rebooting my PC didn't help, neither did trying a different disc. If I disable C2 detection, it rips normally. EAC has no problem with C2 for this drive. dBpowerAMP didn't have a problem at first, so I'm kind of dumbfounded at this point.

Here's a copy of the log showing my settings and the errors:

dBpowerAMP Release 12 Alpha 7 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Sunday, November 05, 2006 4:08 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'E:   [SAMSUNG  - DVD-ROM SD-616E ]',  Drive offset: 12,  Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: None,  FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 3,  Max Passes: 30,  Finish After Clean Passes: 3
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: 4,  Maximum Re-reads: 700

Encoder: CLI Encoder -cli_encoder="C:\Program Files\MAREO\mareo.exe" -cli_cmd="Fon Soff mareo.ini [infile] [outfile] {qt}[artist]{qt} {qt}[album]{qt} {qt}[title]{qt} [track] [year] {qt}[genre]{qt} [IFCOMP]1[][IF!COMP]0[] [track_total]" -nodbtag

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 33 to 17108 (3:47) in 0:11. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\01 Murder In The Big House.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 33)

Track 2:  ERROR Ripping LBA 17108 to 36173 (4:14) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\02 Escher's World.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 17108)

Track 3:  ERROR Ripping LBA 36173 to 52870 (3:42) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\03 Play God.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 36173)

Track 4:  ERROR Ripping LBA 52870 to 84365 (6:59) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\04 Monkey Grinder.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 52870)

Track 5:  ERROR Ripping LBA 84365 to 98525 (3:08) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\05 Can't You Feel The Chains¿.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 84365)

Track 6:  ERROR Ripping LBA 98525 to 116720 (4:02) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\06 Violent Blue.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 98525)

Track 7:  ERROR Ripping LBA 116720 to 135508 (4:10) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\07 Love Is A Dead Language.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 116720)

Track 8:  ERROR Ripping LBA 135508 to 150323 (3:17) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\08 Take Me Back To Love Canal.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 135508)

Track 9:  ERROR Ripping LBA 150323 to 159263 (1:59) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\09 The Wrong George.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 150323)

Track 10:  ERROR Ripping LBA 159263 to 177780 (4:06) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\10 Candy Guru.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 159263)

Track 11:  ERROR Ripping LBA 177780 to 193730 (3:32) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\11 I Need Somebody.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 177780)

Track 12:  ERROR Ripping LBA 193730 to 212720 (4:13) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\12 The Rub Of Love.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 193730)

Track 13:  ERROR Ripping LBA 212720 to 228810 (3:34) in 0:09. Filename: D:\Music\CD Rips\Chagall Guevara\Chagall Guevara (1991)\13 If It All Comes True.tmp
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 212720)

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13 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped

Check in Device Manager that your Primary controller has not switched to PIO mode, for modern CD drives it should be DMA.

Are the gaps appended to the end of a track or the begining of the next track?

Short version :

Appended to the end of the previous track.

long version :

Unless a ripper has specific options for altering the treatment of the pause areas between tracks, then rippers always use the TOC(located in the Q subchannel of lead-inn and repeated 3 times) to locate the different tracks starting possitions, and as the TOC only stores INDEX 01 entries(INDEX 00 entries are located in the Q subchannel of the main "program" area), then rippers extract from INDEX 01 to INDEX 01 i.e. the pause areas gets appended to the end of the previous track.


<off-topic> I can't wait for the day Spoon announces that he has added an image/cuesheet option to this great app, as i'm dying to try it out, but as it dosen't support images yet, then i have no use for it at it's present state, unfortunetly, but after reading about it, then i am totally impressed with Spoon's work, and i can't wait to be ripping with the use of C2 pointers like they should be used i.e. both for detection and "correction"(rereads), just like PlexTools, and in contrary to EAC. I really take my hat off to Spoon, as i have myself studied alot the MMCx specs and a little bit of ASPI/SPTI etc, so i can imagine what a big job it is to get something like this going, and then also not to mention when doing it in C++. Nice work Spoon  </off-topic>

Same here. Can't wait for the image+cue. On the same note, will accurip database have to separate submission for image+cue or can it somehow guess it as a sum of tracks and vice versa? I guess not.

<off-topic>...I really take my hat off to Spoon, as i have myself studied alot the MMCx specs and a little bit of ASPI/SPTI etc, so i can imagine what a big job it is to get something like this going, and then also not to mention when doing it in C++. Nice work Spoon  </off-topic>

Me too.  Hear Hear!

Same here. Can't wait for the image+cue. On the same note, will accurip database have to separate submission for image+cue or can it somehow guess it as a sum of tracks and vice versa? I guess not.

As the occasionally-found large amounts of pre-track 1 audio (such as HTOA) aren't currently used in calculations, AR would require changes to the data submitted/compared for true image support.

-brendan

Alpha 8 Released

When ripping secure will move to next track whilst encoding first (reference feature)
added [cddb_id] to the file naming
When encoding to CLI Encoder then setting that uses added to 'Encoder Settings' tag value, not whole CLI string (such as encoder location)
DSP Effects added (replaygain, resample, bit depth, etc)
Caches decoder locations
Tries different ripping commands if one fails (msf, lba)
Added Protected audio popup default
CD Ripper shows ripping tool bar
itunes7 + wmp compatibility (uses TPE2 for album artist)

bug fix: selecting drive on insert cd popup was not selecting drive on main frm
bug fix: nero or plain ASPI was matching first cd drive letter for all drives (ok still is cludgy as cannot really match ASPI lun, host to a real drive (without using SPI)
bug fix: Windows [Internal] Communication was getting drive name wrong (actually is a bug in Windows XP...)
bug fix: creating utf8 encodings could loose characters from end
bug fix: on install shell integration now works

Also all codecs updated, so reinstall at same time

Just tried this program (alpha 8), and gotta say it's awesome. One problem I've been having is that twice my drive just disappeared, once while testing it's C2 capabilities, and once during a rip. I have a NEC DVDRW 3550A. Has anyone had this problem, or any suggestions on what I might try differently?

Disapeared from CD Ripper or from your System?

(BTW: fixed various issues, so next alpha should be 100% compatible with Windows 98 and XP64)

(BTW: fixed various issues, so next alpha should be 100% compatible with Windows 98 and XP64)

Neat, thanks! I need this to test the program with my best drive (Liteon SOHR-5238S) which is part of my old PC. WinXP doesn't run well on that.

Something different, the ripper crashed on my Laptop (Core 2 Duo 1.6Ghz, WinXP SP2, Matshita DVD-Ram UJ-841S) when I was using the program to play parts of the songs from a CD, jumping quickly between tracks/positions. This was not done to intentionally break it, I was just trying to figure out some good songs for a test cd. I'll try to reproduce it.

BTW, the CD is copy protected and seems to include intentionally damaged frames every few seconds. I tried to rip it in secure mode (C2 enabled, Interpolate unrecoverable, (C2 worked great on a different, damaged CD)), and the program tried to re-rip these frames but there was a short "gap" of audio every few seconds in the resulting files. After that, I tried ripping the same tracks in Burst mode and they sounded fine. CD was not in AccurateRip.

Disapeared from CD Ripper or from your System?

(BTW: fixed various issues, so next alpha should be 100% compatible with Windows 98 and XP64)

Disappeared from my system (Pentium 4, XP home). The CD Ripper lists the drive and says "insert audio CD", but there is a disc already in there, and the drive won't eject. In Windows Explorer it disappeared as a device, and rebooting is the only way I've found to get it back.

Check windows event viewer, something might be there.

Where do I check the event viewer? Also, is there any way to encode using itunes aac? Currently I'm using Otto42's itunesencode from within EAC.

BTW, the CD is copy protected and seems to include intentionally damaged frames every few seconds. I tried to rip it in secure mode (C2 enabled, Interpolate unrecoverable, (C2 worked great on a different, damaged CD)), and the program tried to re-rip these frames but there was a short "gap" of audio every few seconds in the resulting files. After that, I tried ripping the same tracks in Burst mode and they sounded fine. CD was not in AccurateRip.

Does EAC handle this CD any differently? I've seen this with copy protected CDs and EAC before. The problem was more drive specific.

Where do I check the event viewer? Also, is there any way to encode using itunes aac? Currently I'm using Otto42's itunesencode from within EAC.

Control Panel > Administrative Tools > Event Viewer

Start -> Run -> eventvwr.msc will also open the event viewer.

There was this error in the event viewer:

The device '_NEC DVD_RW ND-3550A' (IDE\CdRom_NEC_DVD_RW_ND-3550A____________________1.04____\5&20f2915f&0&0.0.0) disappeared from the system without first being prepared for removal.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.

At the link it says:

A device was removed from the system before the Safely Remove Hardware applet in the system tray was run.

Which is weird because the drive is internal IDE, not an external or USB. Any ideas?

Hi Spoon

When do you hope to launch the final release of your ripper?

All the best
David

Thank you for this great ripper. I'm using it via WINE in Ubuntu and everything is working perfectly. It ripped a CD that I have been struggling with EAC for ages on the first try perfectly, accuraterip verified.

@singaiya

Normally CD drives do not vanish, unless they crash internally, could be c2 is not well supported on that drive...

It is hoped full release will be early January, certain features look as though they will be pushed back to perhaps R13 (image ripping perhaps can be handled on the DSP effects, the implementation is quite extensible).

Hi!
Long time reader, and now first time poster.
First, thanks Spoon. Your secure ripper is really kicking serious butt.
However I have one question.
My drive is LG GMA-4082N (Shipped as Asus) and using latest firmware available, ripping with r12 alpha 8. Ripping results on one of my cds this weird thing on track three (Diablo's Eternium and track is Queen of Entity). Unfortunately I didn't save the log (CD is my girlfriends, who lives 370km away, so it's not possible to test again at the moment), but everything was okay except for one frame. Ripper says "Insecure (c2 dropped 694, best c2 matched)" and the crc is consistent for the track (AR says accurate, confidence 3) and there's no audible errors. The CD is copyprotected and is very rarely ripped as the max confidence was 4.
Settings: c2 enabled, secure with min of 2 and max of 6 ultra secure, end with 2 clean passes, re-read frames 700 times. it results the best possible quality for the cd on my setup (according to logs i've examined).
To the question, is it possible that the track is truly accurately ripped even though the ripper had to guess the frame or is it some minor beauty bug in the code? Or is it just me being paranoid again since one frame isn't that big of a problem? 

With a c2 best match, there is no guessing going on, it is just that the required 8 matching frames were not achieved, so the ripper says, ok  lets trust c2 and in that case it obviously was good as the AccurateRip verified it.

If AccurateRip verifies your rip with a confidence of 2 or above then it is error free.

If AccurateRip verifies your rip with a confidence of 2 or above then it is error free.

Why not with a confidence of just 1?

There is a chance that the guy submitted his result previously so the result is his

Just an idea, could you make it possible to rip the same (damaged) CD with multiple drives? Since different drives handle errors differently, some frames might be ripped OK with one drive, and some with another, so that could increase the chance of getting a good rip. IsoBuster uses this technique for recovering damaged data CDs.

This is probably too much too late to still be included (and I don't know how well it would work with audio CDs, or if people would use it), but I thought I'd share it anyway  .

Everything is possible

Everything is possible

Long time lurker de-lurking here...

Well, I read that as a 'post your strangest ideas' and so will I do :-D

I didn't believe it until I saw a friend of mine show it to me, but severely damaged CD (I mean deep scratches on the mirror side) can be repaired with a mix of fine-grained sandpaper and some kind of polish liquid which looks like the liquid they use to polish cars.

He took my U2-Zooropa CD that I had been considering dead for 10 years (and didn't care). Something really bad had happened to it 10 years ago and it was the worst deep-scratched CD I had ever seen. No player would even try to read it. My friend did his thing and five minutes later, the whole disk was accurately ripped with a rating of 20+ for each track. I repeated the operation on other scratched CDs and every resurrection was a success.

Now the downside is that the 'polished' and resurrected CD's lose they glossiness. They have a kind of white voil on them which isn't pretty to the eye (but just fine for laser beams, even el cheapo ones). I wouldn't dare to apply this method to CDs that are not mine.

So, my strange idea of the day is to add a visualization feature to the ripper, which would give us a visual clue of where the unrecoverable tracks are on the disc. For instance, the last CD I resurrected this way had its track 15 (on 17) unrecoverable. I wasn't able to say what the fatal scratch was, even by looking at the supposed section (which should have been, in that case, somewhere near the borders of the disc).

My limited knowledge of CD technology lends me to believe that track numbers can be mapped that way (think LightScribe, but inverse). It would be incredibly more useful that 'sector number 123456, 123478 and 12456 are unrecoverable and would allow us to perform 'surgical' scratches removal instead of polishing the complete disc.

Spoon, am I crazy?

Take care,
CPL593h

(Note: edited each time I find a typo or grammar error -- sorry )

I think this would depend on the track pitch remaining within the standard.  Should work for most factory-pressed CDs, less likely to work for custom burned ones.

However, on factory discs I can usually tell where tracks start/end by looking at the disc under a bright incandescent light, and can definitely see the scratch in question above it. 

So I'm not sure how much good showing it graphically will do.

-brendan

I think this would depend on the track pitch remaining within the standard.  Should work for most factory-pressed CDs, less likely to work for custom burned ones.

Well, I suppose that people who want 'secure' copies will most likely work from original pressed CDs. Anyway since they are backup copies, I just trash them when they are scratched

However, on factory discs I can usually tell where tracks start/end by looking at the disc under a bright incandescent light, and can definitely see the scratch in question above it. 

So I'm not sure how much good showing it graphically will do.

Well it depends on the kind of music you listen to. Most of the discs I listen to don't have a 'blank' between tracks, they just increment the number (live recording, classic rock music). For this kind of disc, this feature would be interesting, if possible of course.

Take care,
C.

You might be able to tell from the % bar and the ripping position indicator, ie the total % bar is the start of the track in secure mode (as it sits at the start until encoding), and when reripping the red line shows where in the track it is, add the two together?

Dare i request an option to shift the accurate rip offset by 30 samples to match the newly revised absolute offset? And possibly submit new rips to a parallel "corrected" database?
..... please?

There really is no point, 99.99999999% of cds would not even have non-zero audio samples for those 30 samples, also many, many cds do not even start at the 30 offset, they are all over the shop.

There really is no point, 99.99999999% of cds would not even have non-zero audio samples for those 30 samples, also many, many cds do not even start at the 30 offset, they are all over the shop.

Amen spoon!

What is the point in ripping 680 microseconds sooner when offsets between different pressings can be thousands of samples?

AccurateRip would ignore those 30 samples anyway, lol.

Beta 1 Released

Beta 1 Released

Added Batch Converter (was called previously File Selector)
Added configuration option Folder right click 'batch convert'
Version numbers in configuration
Check for updates in configuration
bug fix: small screen resolution cd ripper leaving hidden txt boxes on screen
bug fix: massive fixes now compatible with Win9x (and possibly Win64)

Hi first post here. you have been warned ;-)

Wanted to say that I am very impressed with this new version.

Its fast, it seems accurate and its very nice to use.

Could someone confirm that at present its not possible to do multiple format rips in one pass? (wav and MP3) I think this can be done in the current (non Beta) version.

Also I am struggling to understand the format of the Naming options for Ripped files, I can’t understand how they work in particular the [ifcomp] types when nested.

Ideally I want to do a single pass rip and produce 2 groups of folders, one holding .wavs and the other putting mp3’s into the standard iTunes folders.

MAREO can be used (a native multi encoder will be released shortly in the new year).

[ifcomp]  is applied if a compilation and the section ends [] (off the top of my head),

Hi Spoon

Can I start archiving my CD collection now with Beta 1 or are there still more improvements to come on the ripping side?

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to everyone!
David.

CD Ripper is pretty much finished for R12.

Out of interest, could AccurateRip compensate for the 30 sample difference? I think that I've seen somebody mention something along those lines, but I'm not sure.

I was curious if it'd be possible to make R12 re rip the bad frames at multiple speeds. Say after 100 C2 errors dropped it kicks down to 16x, 8x, 4x and so on.

EAC gradually slows down the drive upon an error, and I noticed this gives me better results with my LG drive.

Now I can set it to re-read at 4x, 8x etc, but I've noticed some cds rip better at different speeds, and some cds make the drive stop responding after a while when I set it for a lower speed.

Even if the 30 samples were NULL (ie silence) the crcs would be different.

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If 4x rips best on your drive for errors, then set to use that all the time. Varing the ripping speed on re-reads will only increase the number of errors IMHO.

Great ripper spoon - I finally got rid of EAC and am using your software only.

OT: Any chance you could add an option for lowercasing, uppercasing, sentence-casing (first letter of first word uppercase, rest lowercase) or word-casing (first letter of each word uppercase, rest lowercase) the titles?
Also, I find it a bit annoying that in title editing mode, the text-box moves to the left.

Well, one thing's for sure and that is that i am extremely jealous on you guys for being able to use this "seems to be" absolutely fantastic piece of ripping software 

;Waiting patiently for Spoon to add image ripping capabilities to the R12 ripper

CU, Martin.

Hi Spoon,

This ripper is fantastic and I have also replaced EAC with it. I only have one issue with it so far. The metadata from AllMusic has the album year with the date after it (2004 03 23). In the ID Tag Options one is allowed to "Force no date on year (ie 2004 not 2004 03 23). I use this option as I don't want the date, just the year in my audio file's ID tags. This doesn't apply to the file structure naming though. If I use [year] in the file name setting for directory making purposes it adds the date after the year. I'd like an option to be able to truncate the date from this as well. Otherwise, fantastic ripper and it also works well in Ubuntu with Wine.

I am wondering why ISRC is not read from CDs. I have a Plextor PX-755A and the ISRC is read with both Plextools Professional and EAC, but not with dBpowerAMP.

Well, one thing's for sure and that is that i am extremely jealous on you guys for being able to use this "seems to be" absolutely fantastic piece of ripping software 

;Waiting patiently for Spoon to add image ripping capabilities to the R12 ripper

CU, Martin.

I am also waiting for this. I assume when he has image capabilities, it will also do a cue sheet? Plus I'm hoping it will be able to write the replaygain values to the cue sheet also.

I'm a little bit confused by the 'image' terminology..   

Does this mean that R12 will or will not be able to rip (a whole album) to a single flac file (preferrably with automaticly embeded cue sheets, album art, and replay gain analysis)? This would be huge motivating factor for myself.

Or is 'image' more referring to an .ISO or similar mountable image file, or something else?

Image ripping has slipped to next release (ie r12.5 or r13).

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@sebastian

You have enabled isrc from the meta menu? it is not on by default.

Tag changing will be by a DSP effect later (ie lowercase, etc).

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@Changfest

Will do year stripping for filename, next beta.

@sebastian

You have enabled isrc from the meta menu? it is not on by default.

Yep. In fact, I enabled everything.  I also tried selecting Retrieve --> ISRC or something like that (sorry, don't have access to the software right now) but it didn't help. UPC is retrieved, though. Of course, I tested with a CD that has tracks with ISRC.

Image ripping has slipped to next release (ie r12.5 or r13).

OK  - and thank you very much for letting us now when we can expect it

Btw, when you implement it, then please make it not in the same way as EAC i.e. that only the cuesheet is made automatically, but the extraction log file is only made when selecting "OK" in a "ripping finished" kinda' dialog, as this will refreain us from being able to automatically embed the log file but only the cuesheet from the used command line, without resorting to AutoIT scripting techniques...

Now, when the image ripping feature has been added, then we only need a kind sould that can make a REACT kinda' AutoIT script for this new ripper also, just like tycho allready has done for EAC, so as to be able to get both a lossless image with embedded cuesheet and logfile + lossy track files, and all this done automatically  with just a single click of a button. Also before running the two encoders, then WaveGain should be run also, so as to add "REM REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_GAIN x.xx dB" and "REM REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_PEAK x.xxxx" comments to the embedded cuesheet and also use the scalefactor that WaveGain returns to scale the lossy track files so that they will be Album Gain'ed.

Ahh, one can always dream

CU, Martin.

Another suggestion: make the columns movable (if not via drag-and-drop, the way it was implemented in Mp3tag (http://www.maresweb.de/miscellaneous/columnsreorder.png)).

Request: Track gain (as well as the current album gain)

Maybe that can be done with a DSP - not sure about album gain though).

Another suggestion: make the columns movable (if not via drag-and-drop, the way it was implemented in Mp3tag (http://www.maresweb.de/miscellaneous/columnsreorder.png)).

They are moveable, but drag 'n drop would be nice.

Track + Album gain are implmented on the DSP ReplayGain.

Quote from: Sebastian Mares on 2006-12-21 20:02:52

Another suggestion: make the columns movable (if not via drag-and-drop, the way it was implemented in Mp3tag (http://www.maresweb.de/miscellaneous/columnsreorder.png)).

They are moveable, but drag 'n drop would be nice.

How?

As for the ISRC problem, it works with my LG E10L unit (USB) but not with my Plextor PX-755A. Any idea why? EAC and Plextool Professional can retrieve ISRC with the Plextor, too (D8 is set as read command in EAC).

Right click on the bar and uncheck everything.  Then go back and check them one at a time in the order you would like them shown.

Ah, well, I figured that out, too, but it's way too complicated.

How do you configure external encoders? If I can do that, then I can switch from EAC.

Image ripping has slipped to next release (ie r12.5 or r13).

  And I was getting all amped up for the January release because I thought image ripping was going to be available.

Oh well, still love the program, it would just be great to have it do images, because its so much easier to use than EAC (mainly for my girlfriend who doesn't have as much patience and computer audio know-how as I do).

question: besides configuring your drives capabilities (caching and all that jazz) are there any other settings that you guys have been changing from the default that makes the program more optimal? I didn't notice anything, but I'm used to EAC where you have to change almost every setting from the defaults to get what you want.

Install CLI Encoder to use any external encoder.

Track + Album gain are implmented on the DSP ReplayGain.

When using the DSP Replaygain, it specifically states album gain, but makes no mention of track gain. If track gain is implemented the DSP should be updated to reflect this.

Bug: if you close the application while it is ripping frames, the program remains in memory and is still ripping in the background even though the window is no longer visible.

As for the ISRC problem, it works with my LG E10L unit (USB) but not with my Plextor PX-755A. Any idea why? EAC and Plextool Professional can retrieve ISRC with the Plextor, too (D8 is set as read command in EAC).

The read command is not used to ISRC, rather the read Subcode x042. Now if Read UPC works it is the same call with 1 byte (asking for isrc not upc) changed, odd...

Install CLI Encoder to use any external encoder.

Installed the CLI encoder (dMC-Generic-CLI.exe), ran it and entered the encoder path, name, extention, etc. and a message said encoder was added. But it doesn't appear either in the ripper or the converter (I'm trying to add itunesencode btw).

I looked around the dbpoweramp site but couldn't find info to help with this one. Any help is appreciated, and merry christmas to everyone!

Another wish: can you add a column displaying the pre-emphasis flag?

Do any CDs use the pre-emphasis? maybe some early ones?

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singaiya:  Older codecs from Codec Central do not work with R12, the only ones supported are the ones listed in the R12 beta thread (cli encoder is one).

I came across several. One of them of which I can remember is Dire Straits - Alchemy (Live).

"Do any CDs use the pre-emphasis? maybe some early ones?" - spoon

EAC flags pre-emphasis on all three of my CDs from Swedish classical label BIS:

BIS-CD-119  Scriabin: Piano Music - Achatz/Pontinen    recorded 1987    issued 1996
BIS-CD-475    Scriabin: Piano Concerto & Sym. No. 3      recorded 1990    issued 1990
BIS-CD-535    Scriabin: Symphony No. 2, etc.                          recorded 1991    issued 1992

The above are generally available and remain in their catalog.

Spoon, one more thing... I am sure you heard of the German magazine c't. They developed a tool called "h2cdimage" which will attempt to create an image of a data CD or DVD. While it reads the sectors, it marks which sectors it wasn't able to read in a special file. After the reading process is over, the program tells you that let's say 10000 sectors were unreadable. Then you can insert the same CD/DVD into another drive and start the h2cdimage again. If the program finds the "flag file" containing information about which sectors were unreadable, it will attempt to re-read only those sectors with the new drive since the non-marked sectors were already readable by the previous drive. You can repeat this process with as many drives as you want.
The idea behind this is that you have the following data ABCDEFGH. First drive is able to read ABC_E__H. Second drive is able to read ABCD__GH and a third drive is able to read AB___F__. So by using three drives that each complete each other, you have a CD/DVD image that is 100% accurate. Unfortunately, the program only works with data CDs and DVDs and does not support audio or video discs. Any idea if something like this can be implemented for audio CDs?

Spoon, one more thing... I am sure you heard of the German magazine c't. They developed a tool called "h2cdimage" which will attempt to create an image of a data CD or DVD. While it reads the sectors, it marks which sectors it wasn't able to read in a special file. After the reading process is over, the program tells you that let's say 10000 sectors were unreadable. Then you can insert the same CD/DVD into another drive and start the h2cdimage again. If the program finds the "flag file" containing information about which sectors were unreadable, it will attempt to re-read only those sectors with the new drive since the non-marked sectors were already readable by the previous drive. You can repeat this process with as many drives as you want.
The idea behind this is that you have the following data ABCDEFGH. First drive is able to read ABC_E__H. Second drive is able to read ABCD__GH and a third drive is able to read AB___F__. So by using three drives that each complete each other, you have a CD/DVD image that is 100% accurate. Unfortunately, the program only works with data CDs and DVDs and does not support audio or video discs. Any idea if something like this can be implemented for audio CDs?

Someone already mention/requested/suggested a similiar feature earlier in the thread I believe. Spoon's reply was "anything is possible". I think it would be a nice feature.

I think this would be a great feature also!

I was able to recently reconstruct good data from a bad disc using the same drive thanks to the execllent implementation of C2 pointers during re-reads and the way they are reported to the log file.

This combined with the ability to change the criteria of what the program considers acceptable during re-reads would have saved me a lot of time.  There were some frames that were good after the ripping was over where C2 had dropped all but one.  The number of re-reads was set to 2000.

I'm wondering how much re-reading was performed after the data that wasn't dropped was read.

@spoon: Thanks for your help. I have successfully set it up to rip to iTunes AAC. Hopefully my drive doesn't crash anymore since I updated its firmware just now....

Just wondering, has anyone been able to get R12 working with an external/USB drive yet?  If so, how?

regards,
spockman

My LG E10L is an USB 2.0 device and it just worked.

I'm going to take a look at this ripper later today, and perhaps create a plug-in for using it with Omni Encoder if it is possible (so I don't loose any EAC users!)

My LG E10L is an USB 2.0 device and it just worked.

Ah...OK.  I gathered from earlier posts in this thread that there may have been a problem with R12 and USB drives, but apparently not.  I have had no luck with my drive so far... 

spockman.

Just using c2 pointers over USB is a problem still.

I just set up my Liteon SOHR 5238s over a cheap usb-adapter (this time I removed Daemon-Tools SPT) and C2, as expected, still doesn't work. Very strange, though, is that apparently FUA does. I thought only Plextor drives supported FUA?

Also, Nero CD speed has no trouble doing C1/C2 scans, even with Daemon Tools SPT installed.

Just using c2 pointers over USB is a problem still.

Why?

I have not had the time to research it.

I ended up buying a Firewire enclosure for that exact reason, now all my old desktop drives work great in R12

I'll be upgrading to Windows Vista when it is launched.

Will this ripper be compatible with Vista?

Ripping this second on Vista. The last 3 weeks have done extensive vista testing and it runs fine (we had to digital sign various parts of dbpoweramp to integrate it with vista without all the nasty warnings, also updated manifests to ask for admin rights where needed).

I now keep getting the message that I cannot use secure mode with an unregistered copy. What can I do?

I'm having the same problem. Is it going final?

edit: I see there are time limited new versions, which I've not updated to yet.

I've been testing this since Oct and I've decided to stick with EAC.  Too many missing features that make ripping large numbers of CDs annoying.

I've been testing this since Oct and I've decided to stick with EAC.  Too many missing features that make ripping large numbers of CDs annoying.

I'll probably switch and buy, if C2 over USB is fixed. I'm using a laptop as my only pc, and while the inbuilt drive is OK for ripping, I want to be able to use my Lite-on in problematic cases. Otherwise, great work Spoon!

I've been testing this since Oct and I've decided to stick with EAC.  Too many missing features that make ripping large numbers of CDs annoying.

What do you think is missing? Seems to have most of what EAC offers plus better performance and ease of use....

What do you think is missing? Seems to have most of what EAC offers plus better performance and ease of use....

(Not the OP:) Encode a disc as a single file (much more convenient when you listen to your music in an album-oriented way) and, as a corollary, cue sheet support (both of these feature should be able to "forget" that there's a last .bin track -- EMI did that heavily circa 2003-2004 and their CDs are a pain to rip in Plextools, for instance).

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What do you think is missing? Seems to have most of what EAC offers plus better performance and ease of use....

(Not the OP:) Encode a disc as a single file (much more convenient when you listen to your music in an album-oriented way) and, as a corollary, cue sheet support (both of these feature should be able to "forget" that there's a last .bin track -- EMI did that heavily circa 2003-2004 and their CDs are a pain to rip in Plextools, for instance).

I would say that is one missing feature used by a very small number of people. Spoon has already said he would add it, but I see no reason to make it a priority. Go look at the HA ripping poll, even here ripping image/cue is a minority, and outside of HA I doubt anyone is doing it.

I would say that is one missing feature used by a very small number of people.

But if you're one of those people, it's still annoying.

Spoon has already said he would add it, but I see no reason to make it a priority.

The problem is that Spoon already promised to implement it several years ago. People tend to get impatient, you know...

With this latest version a few of the secure mode options are greyed out (Ultra Secure mode, FUA and C2 settings). Is this intentional?

I have a copy protected disc I can't rip in secure mode. I'd like to disable C2 but can't. Burst mode results in consistent CRCs yet there is still no burst mode logging it seems.

Install the Reference version, not the normal one.

As a side note, I have c2 working over usb, will release test version shortly, a bonus - EAC would not run my Plextor 230a over usb with c2 (other drives yes, but not this plextor( - I have found a way to squeeze c2 out of it!

As a side note, I have c2 working over usb, will release test version shortly, a bonus - EAC would not run my Plextor 230a over usb with c2 (other drives yes, but not this plextor( - I have found a way to squeeze c2 out of it!

Still no C2 with my Sony CDU5221 when using your program but it works with EAC. 

...no, it isn't a USB drive.

BTW, what is dBpowerAMP R12 going to cost - $14 like the current version? If I get a license now, would I still be able to use it with R12?

Currently there are three versions available.  It looks like $14 is not going to buy you the ability to use Ultra Secure Passes or to change the C2, FUA or cache settings.

Spoon promised a breakdown of the differences but I haven't seen it yet.

Pricing is shown on this post:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p...mp;postcount=20 (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p=57981&postcount=20)

I don't understand what is meant  by "power pack a one off for life updates".

The new(er) proposed pricing scheme is confusing and still doesn't seem very consumer friendly.

IMO of course.

- Free version = basic ripper, mp3 encoding/explorer info/columns expires, no ultrasecure or other 'advanced' options (to include logging and dynamic naming)

- power pack version = basic rippper, unlimited mp3 encoding, explorer info/columns... still no ultra secure/advanced options

- 'reference' version = full ripper/converter, doesn't include other apps (sveta/burner), free updates until next major version (ie R13 will not be free I assume)

That's my interpretation of available information.

That means if you bought the Power Pack with R2, R3, R4... of dBpowerAMP you can upgrade to R12 with the latest PP features.

Ah, OK. Can one purchase the new license now already?

Not yet.

Hello, I just tried to rip my first CD with my new computer using v.12 'reference', secure mode and CLI encoder (flac 1.1.3: -8 -V -P 16000 - -o [outfile]).
Some tracks weren't encoded at all. The console reports this error:

Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 4' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 04 - Cantata No. 39, 'Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot,' BWV 39 (BC A96); Wohlzutun und mitzuteilen.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 5' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 05 - Cantata No. 39, 'Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot,' BWV 39 (BC A96); Höchster, was ich habe.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 6' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 06 - Cantata No. 39, 'Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot,' BWV 39 (BC A96); Wie soll ich dir, o Herr!.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 16' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 16 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Denn Gott verlässet keinen.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 17' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 17 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Auf ihn magst du es wagen.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 19' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 19 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Er richt's zu seinen Ehren.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 21' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac'
   Track Ripped Insecurely.
   
Error ripping to CLI Encoder, 'Track 20' to 'C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 20 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Darum ich mich ihn ergebe.flac'
   Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]

I don't understand this message. Could someone enlight me? Thanks


EDIT: for each track it does:
1/ pass 1
2/ secure 1
3/ error (a 0 kbps flac with the correct name is created)

EDIT2:
Ripped the missing tracks again, and some were properly encoded but not all

EDIT3:
After several trials all tracks were encoded. But didn't change any option nor filename...

Another question: are EAC and DBPowerAmp CRC for identical tracks/stream supposed to be the same? I just compare the same track, ripped with DBPA in ultra-secure mode and then with EAC.
Results:

DBPA trial#1

Track 21:  Ripped LBA 265980 to 275160 (2:02) in 0:37. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 182 Frames]
  CRC32: B574659C

=> there were corrected errors (but disc isn't scratched at all: it's a new one)
Then I ripped it again:

DBPA trail#2

Track 21:  Ripped LBA 265980 to 275160 (2:02) in 0:47. Filename: C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Collegium Vocale\Peter Kooy - J.S. Bach; Cantatas 39, 73, 93, 105, 107, 131 Disc 2 - 21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac
  Insecure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 6, Re-Rip 290 Frames]
  CRC32: B574659C
    Insecure Audio from 00:01:48,040 to 00:01:48,320

=> more corrected errors, but the CRC is identical to the first trial.

Now EAC Secure + Test & Copy:

Track 21
     Filename C:\EAC\PhilippeH CollegVocaleGhent\Kantaten (BWV 39,93,107) CD2\21. Was willst du dich betrüben -VII- Herr, gib, das ich in dein Ehre.wav

     Peak level 48.6 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC BBDCABB3
     Copy CRC 00F15C87
     Copy OK

No errors occured

EAC doesn't detect any error, but I got two different CRC: one for the test and another one for the copy. And none of them correspond to DBPowerAmp's CRC. Both files should as a consequence be different.


To check this difference I used foobar2000 bit-comparator tool:

Comparing:
"C:\Documents and Settings\Francis\Mes documents\Ma musique\Bach\21 - Cantata No. 107, 'Was willst du dich betrüben,' BWV 107 (BC A109); Herr, gib, daß ich dein Ehre.flac"
"C:\EAC\PhilippeH CollegVocaleGhent\Kantaten (BWV 39,93,107) CD2\21. Was willst du dich betrüben -VII- Herr, gib, das ich in dein Ehre.flac"
No differences in decoded data found.

Streams are therefore bit-identical but CRC reported by EAC and DBPowerAmp aren't the same 
I suspected foobar2000 tool to be buggy, but a mixed-pasted comparison on Audition doesn't show any different bit between both rips.
Was this already reported? I didn't closely followed the development of this (nice) tool.

I have a copy protected disc I can't rip in secure mode. I'd like to disable C2 but can't. Burst mode results in consistent CRCs yet there is still no burst mode logging it seems.

I've just successfully ripped the CD in Secure Mode with no C2. I gave up trying to rip with EAC in secure mode and no C2; EAC would become unresponsive and take too long per track.


guruboolez, you can see the differing CRCs if you use AccurateRip dll with EAC too. I'm pretty sure the way the values are calculated is different.

edit: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=24045 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24045)

I'm a complete newbie with AccurateRip: I used it with EAC today for the first time. But I can't see any difference, excepted for the "send accuraterip results..." menu in \Database. I don't understand. Is it because I didn't manually set the read offset and let it to zero?

Anyway, all tracks ripped with EAC and with DBPA have different CRC but are all bit-to-bit identical.


EDIT: thank you for the link. It explains why CRC can't be compared.
My only problem is the "Error writing audio data to StdIn Pipe  [clEncoder::EncodeBlock]" error.

EAC and dBpowerAMP will both display the same CRC if you enable the EAC option to use NULL samples for CRC calculation.

AccurateRip uses a different crc calculation routine.

Which encoder was being used with stdout?

That means if you bought the Power Pack with R2, R3, R4... of dBpowerAMP you can upgrade to R12 with the latest PP features.

but aparently, the features of PP v12 would be less than PP v11.

In what way? on a complete rewrite obviously there will be details overlooked, which we will try to correct, R12 adds plenty of extra PP features (such as live dsp effects and secure ripper).

spoon:
flac 1.1.3 -8 -V -P 16000 - -o [outfile]

In what way? on a complete rewrite obviously there will be details overlooked, which we will try to correct, R12 adds plenty of extra PP features (such as live dsp effects and secure ripper).

AFAIK, security measures would be only on "reference"? As you can see it's still a little confusing right now. It's just my understanding.

- Free version = basic ripper, mp3 encoding/explorer info/columns expires, no ultrasecure or other 'advanced' options (to include logging and dynamic naming)

- power pack version = basic rippper, unlimited mp3 encoding, explorer info/columns... still no ultra secure/advanced options

- 'reference' version = full ripper/converter, doesn't include other apps (sveta/burner), free updates until next major version (ie R13 will not be free I assume)

That's my interpretation of available information.

c2 over usb can be downloaded here:

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p...mp;postcount=25 (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p=58289&postcount=25)

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@guruboolez

There could be a discrepancy between flac and dbpoweramp and stdio pipes, try either using a temporary wave file (a guess at the command line):

flac 1.1.3 -8 -V -P 16000 -i [infile] -o [outfile]

Or use dbpoweramps r12 native flac encoder.

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@kwanbis

There are a few tiny PP items missing from R12, but these are going to be implemented in DSP effects / actions so do not need to delay r12 from shipping.

The Power Pack will have secure ripping, cache elmination, Reference will be ultra secure with c2 pointers and FUA.

Hello, I just tried to rip my first CD with my new computer using v.12 'reference', secure mode and CLI encoder (flac 1.1.3: -8 -V -P 16000 - -o [outfile]).
Some tracks weren't encoded at all.

I had the same experience with the CLI encoder when encoding to itunes AAC via itunesencode. About every other song was not encoded. A re-rip of the missed tracks still resulted in only about half of that second set being encoded.

The Power Pack will have secure ripping, cache elmination, Reference will be ultra secure with c2 pointers and FUA.

excelent. I really like dbpoweramp

I thought the itunesencode used temporary wave files rather than stdio.

The Power Pack will have secure ripping, cache elmination, Reference will be ultra secure with c2 pointers and FUA.

so PP would be like today, and reference would introduce a better, more secure ripping process, right? (i re-read your note).

I thought the itunesencode used temporary wave files rather than stdio.

I thought so too. This is my command line in R12:
-e "AAC Encoder" -a "[artist]" -l "[album]" -t "[title]" -g "[genre]" -y [year] -n [track] -i [infile] -o [outfile]

Is there an different way to write this that will make use of temp files? All files encode normally using itunesencode from EAC.

One thing I don't get, I thought the Power Pack doesn't allow ripping with C2 pointers. Then why is there an update for this version for c2 over usb?

Edit: Well, I'm testing C2 over USB right now and it seems to work without trouble. Great work Spoon!

I noticed this problem has occurred to others before but not sure if a solution was found.  I am trying to use my USB connected drive to rip CD's but at some point the drive "disappears".  That is, it is no longer available to R12 and no longer exists in windows explorer.  If I disconnect and re-connect the drive it reappears (in windows at least).  I don't have this problem with EAC.  Error information as follows:

Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 2' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\02 The Golf Course.mp3'
  Track 2:  Ripped LBA 27924 to 35911 (1:46) in 0:05. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\02 The Golf Course.mp3
    AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)    [Pass 1]
    CRC32: CBA8AD61
 
Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 1' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\01 The Boning.mp3'
  Track 1:  Ripped LBA 0 to 27924 (6:12) in 0:22. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\01 The Boning.mp3
    AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)    [Pass 1]
    CRC32: 4D1F0056
 
Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 3' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\03 The Dream.mp3'
  Track 3:  Ripped LBA 35911 to 63622 (6:09) in 0:22. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\03 The Dream.mp3
    AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)    [Pass 1]
    CRC32: E12F5E3B
 
Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 5' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\05 The Shithole 1.mp3'
  Track 5:  ERROR Ripping LBA 108143 to 126572 (4:05) in 0:10. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\05 The Shithole 1.mp3
  Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 108195  ripping 26 frames  track end LBA 126572)
 
Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 6' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\06 Alan Jones Radio Show.mp3'
  Track 6:  ERROR Ripping LBA 126572 to 169957 (9:38) in 0:00. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\06 Alan Jones Radio Show.mp3
  Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 126572  ripping 26 frames  track end LBA 169957)
 
Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 7' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\07 The Shithole 2.mp3'
  Track 7:  ERROR Ripping LBA 169957 to 210004 (8:53) in 0:00. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\07 The Shithole 2.mp3
  Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 169957  ripping 26 frames  track end LBA 210004)
 
Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 8' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\08 The Gabba.mp3'
  Track 8:  ERROR Ripping LBA 210004 to 349080 (30:54) in 0:00. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\08 The Gabba.mp3
  Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 210004  ripping 26 frames  track end LBA 349080)
 
Information ripping to mp3 (Lame), 'Track 4' to 'G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\04 Team Meeting 1.mp3'
  Track 4:  Ripped LBA 63622 to 108143 (9:53) in 0:32. Filename: G:\Albums\12th Man - 2006 - Boned!\Disc 1\04 Team Meeting 1.mp3
    AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 1)    [Pass 1]
    CRC32: 4D3A7969

Can anyone help?

spockman.

I updated my drive's firmware and then my drive stopped disappearing. But then it wouldn't burn DVDs anymore (CDRs were ok). Luckily there was an intermediate firmware that I could go to where everything worked -- both the disappearing issue and DVD burning issues were gone.

Thanks singaiya.  I've just updated the firmware but alas I still have the same problem.  Back to EAC for now....

Seems that I am having problems with Plextor PX-230A connected over USB. I am able to rip with EAC in secure mode all the time, but with dBpowerAMP, sometime it works, but most of the time it doesn't. The drive spins up a bit but the progress bar of the first track remains at 0 and after a couple of minutes, I get an error that reading at LBA 1 or something like that failed.

Edit: Log:

Error ripping to WavPack, 'Track 1' to 'C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Sebastian\Eigene Dateien\Eigene Musik\Verschiedene\Die Hit Giganten - Disco Hits\Disc 2\01 Patrick Hernandez - Born To Be Alive.wv'
  Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 1  ripping 26 frames  track end LBA 14405)  [clRipperSecure::Rip]

Don't have this problem with my LG E10L that is an external unit by design.

Another funny thing is that dBpowerAMP doesn't recognize that a CD was ejected or inserted when using the PX-230A. I will try with the unit connected via IDE once my new Seagate HDD is here.

@ Sebastian Mares, try disabling C2 for that drive and see if that makes a difference.

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=458 (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showpost.php?p=58307&postcount=458)

You're the man, you're the man...

Just noticed today: "Final R12 Release"

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=9739 (http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/showthread.php?t=9739)

I have a disc that EAC and Plextools can rip, but dbPowerAmp can not. This disc is not copy protected. Plextools positively flew through the disc, taking ~9 mins for two rips while EAC took just over 20 to Test and Copy.

Plextor PX-708A
EAC: Secure mode, C2.
Plextools: Secure (Recover the best sectors (least errors). CD ripped twice and binary file compare carried out to ensure consistency. Also compared output to EAC, they were identical.
dbPowerAmp Secure mode, C2. No C2 and Burst mode at a reduced speed showed the same problems, no log to show for bust mode.

EAC log

EAC extraction logfile from 26. January 2007, 11:20 for CD
Robert Palmer / Don't Explain C2

Used drive  : PLEXTOR DVDR   PX-708A   Adapter: 1  ID: 0
Read mode   : Secure with C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Combined read/write offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes

Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
                     44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo

Other options      : 
    Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
    Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
    Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000


Track  1
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\01. Your Mother Should Have Told You.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 3E6590C9
     Copy CRC 3E6590C9
     Copy OK

Track  2
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\02. Light-years.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC E55BAFC7
     Copy CRC E55BAFC7
     Copy OK

Track  3
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\03. You Can't Get Enough Of A Good Thing.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 5F09C77A
     Copy CRC 5F09C77A
     Copy OK

Track  4
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\04. Dreams To Remember.wav

     Peak level 93.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC C76CEB2F
     Copy CRC C76CEB2F
     Copy OK

Track  5
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\05. You're Amazing.wav

     Peak level 91.8 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC 0FD27E2F
     Copy CRC 0FD27E2F
     Copy OK

Track  6
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\06. Mess Around.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 16367978
     Copy CRC 16367978
     Copy OK

Track  7
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\07. Happiness.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC F8456CA2
     Copy CRC F8456CA2
     Copy OK

Track  8
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\08. History.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 1674D5F2
     Copy CRC 1674D5F2
     Copy OK

Track  9
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\09. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC A615F8C4
     Copy CRC A615F8C4
     Copy OK

Track 10
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\10. Housework.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 2406D485
     Copy CRC 2406D485
     Copy OK

Track 11
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\11. Mercy Mercy Me , I Want You.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC CE777039
     Copy CRC CE777039
     Copy OK

Track 12
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\12. Don't Explain.wav

     Peak level 75.9 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 8A2CF353
     Copy CRC 8A2CF353
     Copy OK

Track 13
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\13. Aeroplane.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 6CE0823E
     Copy CRC 6CE0823E
     Copy OK

Track 14
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\14. People Will Say We're In Love.wav

     Peak level 99.9 %
     Track quality 99.8 %
     Test CRC BB1148EB
     Copy CRC BB1148EB
     Copy OK

Track 15
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\15. Not A Word.wav

     Peak level 83.3 %
     Track quality 99.9 %
     Test CRC B8383435
     Copy CRC B8383435
     Copy OK

Track 16
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\16. Top 40.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 23B52435
     Copy CRC 23B52435
     Copy OK

Track 17
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\17. You're So Desirable.wav

     Peak level 100.0 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC 9C587A50
     Copy CRC 9C587A50
     Copy OK

Track 18
     Filename N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain C2\Robert Palmer (1990) Don't Explain C2\18. You're My Thrill.wav

     Peak level 95.8 %
     Track quality 100.0 %
     Test CRC D6BA6C95
     Copy CRC D6BA6C95
     Copy OK

No errors occured


End of status report

dbPowerAmp log, see tracks 1, 11, 12 and 16

dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 25 January 2007 8:13 PM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 583 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 10,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: WavPack 

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 0 to 16547 (3:40) in 2:14. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\01. Your Mother Should Have Told You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 12324  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 16547)

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 16547 to 36535 (4:26) in 1:59. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\02. Light Years.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: EB081ADE

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 36535 to 55140 (4:08) in 1:50. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\03. You Can't Get Enough Of A Good Thing.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 653C577C

--------------

User Stopped Ripping


====================

dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 26 January 2007 9:27 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: Yes,  Cache: 583 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 10,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: WavPack 

Extraction Log
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Track 1:  ERROR Ripping LBA 0 to 16547 (3:40) in 1:58. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\01. Your Mother Should Have Told You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 12376  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 16547)

Track 2:  Ripped LBA 16547 to 36535 (4:26) in 2:00. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\02. Light Years.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: EB081ADE

Track 3:  Ripped LBA 36535 to 55140 (4:08) in 1:50. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\03. You Can't Get Enough Of A Good Thing.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 653C577C

Track 4:  Ripped LBA 55140 to 75007 (4:24) in 1:58. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\04. Dreams To Remember.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: FE37D474

Track 5:  Ripped LBA 75007 to 92192 (3:49) in 1:44. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\05. You're Amazing.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 4D71C234

Track 6:  Ripped LBA 92192 to 113977 (4:50) in 2:27. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\06. Mess Around.wv
  Secure (Warning)  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2, Re-Rip 281 Frames]
  CRC32: 1DD55648
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    Re-rip Frame: 102747 (00:02:20.733) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 102748 (00:02:20.746) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 102889 (00:02:22.626) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 102890 (00:02:22.640) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 103373 (00:02:29.080) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 103402 (00:02:29.466) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 104415 (00:02:42.973) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 104543 (00:02:44.680) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 104672 (00:02:46.400) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 105015 (00:02:50.973) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 105016 (00:02:50.986) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 106967 (00:03:17.000) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 107125 (00:03:19.106) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 107456 (00:03:23.520) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 107687 (00:03:26.600) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108004 (00:03:30.826) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108019 (00:03:31.026) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108062 (00:03:31.600) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108076 (00:03:31.786) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108077 (00:03:31.800) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108091 (00:03:31.986) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108120 (00:03:32.373) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108784 (00:03:41.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 108813 (00:03:41.613) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 109117 (00:03:45.666) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 109276 (00:03:47.786) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 109291 (00:03:47.986) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 109320 (00:03:48.373) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 109580 (00:03:51.840) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 109581 (00:03:51.853) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 110059 (00:03:58.226) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 110378 (00:04:02.480) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 110379 (00:04:02.493) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 110408 (00:04:02.880) matched 10 / 11
    Re-rip Frame: 110640 (00:04:05.973) matched 10 / 11

Track 7:  Ripped LBA 113977 to 126887 (2:52) in 1:17. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\07. Happiness.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 22F123AD

Track 8:  Ripped LBA 126887 to 147287 (4:32) in 2:01. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\08. History.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: F68684B3

Track 9:  Ripped LBA 147287 to 162700 (3:25) in 1:32. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\09. I'll Be Your Baby Tonight.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: C3698C36

Track 10:  Ripped LBA 162700 to 177117 (3:12) in 1:26. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\10. Housework.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: DA002864

Track 11:  ERROR Ripping LBA 177117 to 204042 (5:59) in 2:56. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\11. Mercy Mercy Me-I Want You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 200907  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 204042)

Track 12:  ERROR Ripping LBA 204042 to 215122 (2:27) in 0:47. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\12. Don't Explain.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 205966  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 215122)

Track 13:  Ripped LBA 215122 to 228960 (3:04) in 1:23. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\13. Aeroplane.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 9A6CBE72

Track 14:  Ripped LBA 228960 to 239430 (2:19) in 1:03. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\14. People Will Say We're in Love.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: D0985B5B

Track 15:  Ripped LBA 239430 to 258815 (4:18) in 1:55. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\15. Not a Word.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 55DDFDDA

Track 16:  ERROR Ripping LBA 258815 to 270777 (2:39) in 0:44. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\16. Top 40.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 259855  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 270777)

Track 17:  Ripped LBA 270777 to 281620 (2:24) in 1:06. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\17. You're So Desirable.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: 46C47FD1

Track 18:  Ripped LBA 281620 to 299485 (3:58) in 1:46. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain (2003)\18. You're My Thrill.wv
  Secure  [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 2]
  CRC32: C0D877B7

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18 Tracks Ripped: 13 Secure, 1 Secure (Warning), 0 Could Not Be Ripped

Anything I can try here spoon?

Try disabling c2.

My post states that disabling C2 did not help. 

no C2

dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 26 January 2007 11:35 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
dBpoweramp Release 12 Digital Audio Extraction Log from 26 January 2007 11:41 AM

Drive & Settings
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Ripping with drive 'F:   [PLEXTOR  - DVDR   PX-708A  ]',  Drive offset: 30,  Overread Lead-in/out: Yes
AccurateRip: Active,  Using C2: No,  Cache: 583 KB,  FUA Cache Invalidate: Yes
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max,  Pass 2 Drive Speed: 4
Ultra::  Vary Drive Speed: Yes,  Min Passes: 2,  Max Passes: 10,  Finish After Clean Passes: 2
Bad Sector Re-rip::  Drive Speed: Max,  Maximum Re-reads: 34

Encoder: WavPack 

Extraction Log
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Track 11:  ERROR Ripping LBA 177117 to 204042 (5:59) in 2:50. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain no C2 (2003 12 23)\11. Mercy Mercy Me-I Want You.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 201167  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 204042)

Track 12:  ERROR Ripping LBA 204042 to 215122 (2:27) in 0:45. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain no C2 (2003 12 23)\12. Don't Explain.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 205966  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 215122)

Track 16:  ERROR Ripping LBA 258815 to 270777 (2:39) in 1:11. Filename: N:\converted\tracks\Don't Explain no C2 (2003 12 23)\16. Top 40.wv
Unable to read CD, check CD disc (frame LBA 259933  ripping 26 frames   track end LBA 270777)

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3 Tracks Could Not Be Ripped

edit: All combinations with FUA/C2 on and off don't help either.

Anything special about the connection to 708a? (it is odd as I have a 708a), which Windows version?

evereux, do you have accuraterip installed with EAC? If so did it report the tracks as accurate? If you dont have it installed can you install it with EAC and try the rip again in EAC?

The drive is the master on a IDE channel with a NEC1300A as slave. The operating system is XP Pro 64, motherboard an Asus A8N32-Sli Deluxe.

This disc is old and needed cleaning before I started the rip.

Interestingly, I've since tried ripping this disc with my NEC which resulted in a secure rip. The drive speed was set to maximum speed and dbPowerAmp had to re-rip many many frames. The log would have hit 1MB (all reporting on) if I hadn't slowed down the extraction for the last few tracks. I blame the drive for this, not dbPowerAmp at all.

Slowing the Plextor down to 4x helped me extract track 11 with the Plextor but still no go with 12 and 16. Something very strange is going on with the Plextor and dbPowerAmp.

Eli, yes, but the disc has no accurate rip submission.

Eli, yes, but the disc has no accurate rip submission.

Thats unfortunate. While its a VERY long shot, I was wondering if there may have been consistent errors on the disc that dbpoweramp was picking up, that eac and plextools were accepting... Had the other tracks been accurate by accuraterip, and the tracks of interest been inaccurate in EAC then that would most likely have been the case. Is it possible to get another copy of the disc the should be the same pressing?

The LBA read failure is where dBpoweramp asks the drive to read a section of the cd, and the cd drive says 'no can do', really no cd drive should ever do this, even with a destroyed cd (it should return the error in c2).

EAC and Plextools seem to have no problem going back to read a section upon errors. If my drive is defective, how do they manage this when dbPowerAmp can not?

I have a PX-W8432T that I'm trying to configure with dbPowerAmp (same system as above, drive is slave to 708A). I had a key disc inserted and dbPowerAmp would fail to configure itself for this drive. dbPowerAmp  would freeze (actually, the whole OS, even EAC hasn't managed that yet ) until ejected the disc and dbPowerAmp would then say that this wasn't a key disc. This happened several times with several discs.

I went through the process with EAC which went smoothly. EAC spun the drive up which I didn't hear dbPowerAmp do. Whilst the drive was still spinning I tried again with dbPowerAmp, this time it worked.

The same goes for when I try to rip a CD. dbPowerAmp just freezes. It doesn't seem to be able to spin up this drive.

Sorry to bend your ear again but thought you might like to know.

edit: swapped it out for a PX-W4012A and no such problem.