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CD-R and Audio Hardware => CD Hardware/Software => Topic started by: Demetris on 2006-06-05 18:06:02

Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Demetris on 2006-06-05 18:06:02
After about 3 years, an official release of CDex!

Project page, Files: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=567 (https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=567)
CDex home page: http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/)
CDex download: http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/download.html (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/download.html)

Changes since CDex 1.51 (release):

    * Fixed Vorbis comment field problem and track number field problem
    * Updated to GNU based winamp plugins
    * Support conversion of WAV files > 2 GB
    * Updated Lame encoder
    * Updated Ogg encoder libraries
    * Add patches CDex 1.60++ (cue sheet generation)
    * Updated several language files
    * UTF-8 support for CDDB
    * Flac Support

I seems that CDex has not been merged with Audacity after all, and that this release is by Albert Faber. Quoting a relevant post by afaber, dated 2006-06-01 (https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3758614)

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Recently I've some spare time to work on CDex, will make pretty soon (somewhere next week, need to do some more testing) a new release, probably somewhere next week, Cdex version 1.60b2 will be released


Greetings,
Demetris
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Remedial Sound on 2006-06-05 19:55:22
It's alive! 

I've since moved to EAC in the dormant interim, though I still have a ton of respect for this handy & easy to use ripping app.  Particularly as it's something that can be recommended to digital audio newbies who may be a little daunted by EAC.

Thanks for the heads up Demetris, and keep up the good work Mr. Faber.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: HotshotGG on 2006-06-05 20:17:38
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It's alive! 

I've since moved to EAC in the dormant interim, though I still have a ton of respect for this handy & easy to use ripping app. Particularly as it's something that can be recommended to digital audio newbies who may be a little daunted by EAC.

Thanks for the heads up Demetris, and keep up the good work Mr. Faber.


... or folks like me that's don't want to wait for EAC to chew away at their drive for 5 hours doing error checking and recovery. 
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Teqnilogik on 2006-06-05 20:27:14
Awesome!  I just recently started using CDex again a couple days ago.  What timing to get back into CDex!  In fact I was just reading on CDex's forums last night about the how the development is picking up and how a release was expected this week.  Funny to see the new release come out today.  I'm very excited about development picking up on CDex and I look forward to new versions, new features and improvements.  Great job to the CDex team!
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Gambit on 2006-06-05 20:59:41
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It's alive! 

I've since moved to EAC in the dormant interim, though I still have a ton of respect for this handy & easy to use ripping app. Particularly as it's something that can be recommended to digital audio newbies who may be a little daunted by EAC.

Thanks for the heads up Demetris, and keep up the good work Mr. Faber.


... or folks like me that's don't want to wait for EAC to chew away at their drive for 5 hours doing error checking and recovery. 

You know you can use the Burst mode in EAC too, right?
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: hybridfan on 2006-06-05 22:49:22
What the hell I thought this prog died, I would say after EAC, this is the best CD ripper out there, so simple yet very cool, loads of options and works very fast and efficiently, I can't wait to try this new one out 
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Andavari on 2006-06-05 22:55:19
I'm glad CDex isn't dead for sentimental reasons in that it was the first good CD ripping experience I had with a quality software that didn't mangle the wav's, and wasn't a crash whore like some freeware apps I tried back in 1999 when trying to find a good CD ripper. However I'd be much more excited if there was the ability to disable the cache on modern CD/DVD drives to make it a true contender to the all conquering behemoth EAC.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: OJ_829 on 2006-06-05 23:53:41
After about 3 years, an official release of CDex!


Excellent, EXCELLENT news. This is one of those must-install programs for me, as old as it is. I never ever stopped using CDEx from the days of 1.51. It lets one select freedb over cddb; it made diving into LAME and OGG encoding a piece of cake; and it has features (such as dynamic creation of, say, album or artist subdirectories) that some programs still in active development do not have.  Even with those faults where it maybe got left behind a little over the last 2+ years, I still religiously use it for ripping my commercial CDs. Nothing is as flexible, or as straightforward to my brain. I hope he will continue to keep it simple.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: MuncherOfSpleens on 2006-06-06 00:50:07
I guess the Unicode version of CDex is supposed to close without warning as soon as you try to rip using an external encoder?  I assumed my command-line encoders weren't compatible; but even the new Nero encoder doesn't work, and that's entirely Unicode, right?

It doesn't much matter though; the normal version works fine, and I'm just glad CDex has been revived.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Mr_Rabid_Teddybear on 2006-06-06 04:03:31
I guess the Unicode version of CDex is supposed to close without warning as soon as you try to rip using an external encoder?  I assumed my command-line encoders weren't compatible; but even the new Nero encoder doesn't work, and that's entirely Unicode, right?

It doesn't much matter though; the normal version works fine, and I'm just glad CDex has been revived.

If you're experiencing such problems, you really should help the man (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/contact.html) developing his program by submitting a bug report.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: vlada on 2006-06-06 09:05:45
It is really good news, that there is development again at CDex. But I think there are 2 things, that should be changed first:

1) Use recomended encoder versions - 3.97b2 for LAME and AoTuV 4.51 for Vorbis.

2) Adapt user interface to new LAME options: Just 2 checkboxes VBR and CBR. For VBR also add a checkbox --vbr-new, the same interface for Vorbis.

Then some more options could be to add support for NeroAAC encoder, make the format selection more simple - remove old low quality encoders - Psytel, GoGo, FhG etc. I think it would be much better to have only selection like MP3, OGG Vorbis, FLAC, MPC, WMA, AAC etc. Then it the format preferences you could choose an encoder, if there will be more available.

I think currently is CDex for many users even more confusing the EAC. So it would be really nice to have CDex as a simple-to-use, yet high quality alternative for EAC. Just my opinion 
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: master on 2006-06-06 19:09:04
Glad to hear that there are still development progress at CDex.

This is a great program and I'm still using it now.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Jojo on 2006-06-07 23:14:52
1) Use recomended encoder versions - 3.97b2 for LAME and AoTuV 4.51 for Vorbis.

what's the version that bundles with Cdex? Lame 3.96.1?
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: vlada on 2006-06-08 00:02:57
Jojo> I have there 3.97 alpha.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Jojo on 2006-06-09 00:14:05
Jojo> I have there 3.97 alpha.

that's strange indeed. One would think they'd bundle the recommended Lame 3.97b2 release
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: HotshotGG on 2006-06-09 00:59:28
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You know you can use the Burst mode in EAC too, right?


I don't have the patient to sit down and configure EAC. My drive doesn't have any special features anyway and the last experience I had when using EAC I wanted to toss something out my window.  . I have just always preferred cdparanoia for the convience and I really can't tell the difference. if my cd is scratched I know it will do jitter correction, etc. It's worked well for me in the past.  Most attempts at secure extractions on other O/S can only be done with cdparanoia anyhow don't forget.  That's just how I feel about the situation.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: kwanbis on 2006-06-09 01:08:27
I don't have the patient to sit down and configure EAC.

never understood whats so difficult or so much work, to configure EAC. I have used it many times in the past. It took me like 30 secs to setup first time.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: HotshotGG on 2006-06-09 01:16:57
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never understood whats so difficult or so much work, to configure EAC. I have used it many times in the past. It took me like 30 secs to setup first time.


It depends upon the user. All I am saying is that for the average user, it's pain in the ass to configure and they could spare themselves the trouble. Anyway... I am glad to see the latest released of Cdex 1.70 Beta 1. Now I need to figure out why previous versions wouldn't run on my O.S? I am thinking buggy ASPI drivers or something similiar. I need to look into it. 
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: shadowking on 2006-06-10 06:32:00
I am getting corrupt flac files using the built in flac encoder. An external flac encoder crashes the program and that actually worked in 1.51

Can anyone verify this ?
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Demetris on 2006-06-10 11:49:24
Same here for the built-in encoder. foobar won't play the file, 1by1 (w/ Winamp plugin) plays it without seeking or length information, and flac -t gives this:

Code: [Select]
D:\music>d:\programs\flac\flac -t Ozawa.flac

flac 1.1.2.1, Copyright © 2000,2001,2002,2003,2004,2005  Josh Coalson
Portions copyright © 2006, Gian-Carlo Pascutto
flac comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.  This is free software, and you are
welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions.  Type `flac' for details.


Ozawa.flac: ERROR initializing decoder
            state = FLAC__FILE_DECODER_ERROR_OPENING_FILE

An error occurred opening the input file; it is likely that it does not exist
or is not readable.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: fpi on 2006-06-30 17:25:22
All problems should be fixed in beta2
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: rjamorim on 2006-06-30 18:59:39

Jojo> I have there 3.97 alpha.

that's strange indeed. One would think they'd bundle the recommended Lame 3.97b2 release


Remember that 3.97b2 is recommended by HydrogenAudio, not by the LAME team. Therefore, it's not an official recommendation in any sense.

Anyway...

Albert Faber has recently contacted me, asking me to point him in the direction of knowledgeable people that might be interested in contributing to CDex development. I already pointed Michael Spath to him, and contacted other developers of my knowledge, but I would also like to extend the invitation to anyone here willing to help. Just contact me or him at cdex---hccnet.nl (replace the dashes with an @) telling what you would like to help with. Some features really missing there, IMO, are:

- APE tag writing
- LAME encoding interface adhering to LAME's guidelines (http://lame.sourceforge.net/lame_ui_example.html)
- Ripping to a single WAV file + CUE

Please post your wishlists here. I'll point Faber to this thread soon.

Best regards;

Roberto.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: hermes_vb on 2006-07-04 10:47:13
... or folks like me that's don't want to wait for EAC to chew away at their drive for 5 hours doing error checking and recovery. 


I feel you man. I installed EAC long time ago, but switched to CDex 1.51 when my new drive died on me after ripping 4 CD's in a row. EAC's Secure Mode puts an incredible strain on the Drive. Poor laptop drive couldn't take it anymore and commited suicide. 
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: HotshotGG on 2006-07-04 18:24:40
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I feel you man. I installed EAC long time ago, but switched to CDex 1.51 when my new drive died on me after ripping 4 CD's in a row. EAC's Secure Mode puts an incredible strain on the Drive. Poor laptop drive couldn't take it anymore and commited suicide.


We are in the minority here on HA, as you will get plenty of EAC brown-nosers on this forum. My advice to you what be to determine what features your drive has first and then decide the appropriate ripper is to use. In my own person opinion cdparanoia is better when it comes to jitter correction in some circumstances, but EAC is better at detecting error due to the fact that it utilizes C2 error correction, etc. It depends on your taste and drive. No general guideline can be reached.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: spoon on 2006-07-04 18:45:42
>when it comes to jitter correction

Which drive in the last 4 years is not AccurateStream?
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: greynol on 2006-07-04 19:13:11
Does CDex able to appropriately handle drives that cache audio data?

What drive in the last SIX years has a problem with jitter? 

There's a reason why the majority of people here use EAC and it isn't because it's exactly easy to use. 

spoon, when will your new ripper be comming out?
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: spoon on 2006-07-04 21:38:55
> new ripper be comming out?
OT: Weeks if not days - spaths cache tool landed just the right time to test our implementation, although ours detects 1 frame / sector more on the cache it makes no real difference (who is right?...).

Back onto topic, a badly damaged cd, even a accuratestream drive might not be able to resync to the same sector for re-ripping if the cd was damaged? it could be worth resyncing on an earlier good sector.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: vlada on 2006-07-31 18:15:19
Hi,
are there any news regarding CDex development? I'd like to announce it in a Czech version of popular magazine Chip. But I want to wait for 1.70 final. Is there any estimation when it could be ready?

Beside Rjamorim's comments, what I think would be really useful is to downgrade the number of codecs in CDex. I think there should be LAME, Vorbis (AoTuV), Nero AAC and flac. Users should be able to add their own encoders, but I think that there is no use for Gogo, Yamaha VQF or outdated AAC codecs.

But users should be able to add their own encoders like Wavpack, Monkey's Audio, WMA Std/Pro etc.

Maybe you can start a poll regarding what encoders would people like to see in CDex. Also the encoder configuration should be as simple as possible. The default should be probably -V 2 for MP3 and -q5 for Vorbis. I don't use AAC so I have no idea what bitrates are people using.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: kwanbis on 2006-08-01 20:22:50
Completely agree, i think that CDex must include:

* LAME 3.97b2: The best MP3 encoder.
* Ogg Vorbis (AoTuV): The best alternative/patent free encoder.
* Nero AAC: Free AAC/MP4 encoder.
* MusePack: latest version of a great encoder.
* FLAC: the most popular lossless encoder.
* WavPack: probably the second one.
* User defined: user definable, off course.

and drop everything else.

They may even include a "MAREO" preset if they wish

I even opened a request here: http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3848137 (http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3848137)
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: Demetris on 2006-08-01 23:01:35
The more I recall my confusion the first time I run CDex, the fewer codecs I want it to contain. As far as music goes, from kwanbis' list I would drop another one:

* MusePack

About Nero AAC, I think that, by its licence, it cannot be distributed with third-party programs.

About settings, I find that foobar2000 0.9.x is a model of simplicity.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: kwanbis on 2006-08-02 01:08:45
CDex should point you to the URL to download the nero encoder.
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: fpi on 2007-07-04 11:38:45
Seems that CDex 1.70 Beta 3 will be released soon:
http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/)
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: bilbo on 2007-07-04 16:36:43
Completely agree, i think that CDex must include:

* LAME 3.97b2: The best MP3 encoder.
* Ogg Vorbis (AoTuV): The best alternative/patent free encoder.
* Nero AAC: Free AAC/MP4 encoder.
* MusePack: latest version of a great encoder.
* FLAC: the most popular lossless encoder.
* WavPack: probably the second one.
* User defined: user definable, off course.

and drop everything else.

They may even include a "MAREO" preset if they wish

I even opened a request here: http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3848137 (http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3848137)


kwanbis you have posted multiple times on these forums for the past 3 months, a new version with better cue sheet support with a few days! Have you given up on this project?
Title: CDex 1.70 beta 1 released on sf.net
Post by: vlada on 2007-07-04 17:12:38
Seems that CDex 1.70 Beta 3 will be released soon:
http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ (http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/)


That's a good news I was afraid the project is abandoned again. I hope that the suggestions above will be implemented.