We would like to introduce you to a new Compression Technology named LAN (patent pending) which aims to offer good compression ratio's for most data types (Images, Audio, Video, Texts), a first beta version for our first product (Infima Archiver) is available at www.myinfima.com.
Thanks.
Nir Halowani
CTO, Infima Technologies
On his website:
Below are the results of comparison between Infima new Audio format and the competitors (no quality loss).
Original File: Audio CD Quality (80 MB).
Format Size of File
Infima ALAN Format 32.0 MB
WMA Lossless (WindowsMediaAudio) 42.5 MB
WavPack 44.2 MB
Apple iTunes Lossless 45.0 MB
Real Audio Lossless (.ra) 46.0 MB
I'd like to see encode / decode times.
This are the results for a full album including encoding/decoding times:
Please note the archiving utility is a beta version and we will appreciate all of your feedbacks....
Below are the results of compressing all Album files.
Original size: 650 MB
Comp Time Decomp Time
infima Ultra 324.5 MB (51.1%) 04:01 03:45
infima Maximum 338.3 MB (48.0%) 02:11 02:04
infima Normal 347.9 MB (46.5%) 02:10 01:25
infima Fastest 356.9 MB (45.1%) 01:30 01:27
You know that your website's claims do not look credible at all, don't you?
compression ratio for MP3: 56% ?!
You know that your website's claims do not look credible at all, don't you?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379013"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I hope the beta version will provide some answers to your doubts
Very hard to believe.
From the website:
"Generating world best ratio's for all data types."
How to make this?
Hire the leading developers in all areas (audio, video, ...)? And they all have a simultaneous breaktrough?
Or the invention of an absolutely basic new compression method, that would be enormous helpful in all areas?
Sorry, but it really would be a wonder.
By the way: How long will it take, until i receive the email with the download link for the evaluation copy? Server break down because of too heavy demand?
I wouldn't deny the possibility, that i am wrong. Then i will excuse me.
Thomas
I've just downloaded the file (16M) for evaluation; can't test it at the moment.
lot of readers, has anyone tried it yet? I know I don't believe it. Where are the press releases on all the other tech sites? No independent 3rd party reviews available?
guruboolez, how about posting the file on yousendit.com with the link here. I dont want to give them a real email addy.
guruboolez, how about posting the file on yousendit.com with the link here. I dont want to give them a real email addy.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379023"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I'm not sure that the software license allow it.
guruboolez, how about posting the file on yousendit.com with the link here. I dont want to give them a real email addy.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379023"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I'm not sure that the software license allow it.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379026"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
well, have you tested it yet then. Shouldnt take to long to see if it works at all. Especially with claims as dramatic as theirs.
well, have you tested it yet then. Shouldnt take to long to see if it works at all. Especially with claims as dramatic as theirs.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379028"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I downloaded on a computer which isn't mine (I'm at work). I'm not allowed to install a software without permission. Sorry. I must wait this evening. Tomorrow, HA.org will be off-line and I won't be able to post results :/
Nir Halowani, please post a direct link to the beta download here.
"General Error Out of memory"
Evidently 2 GB is below the requirements
As I would have guessed. The beta does nothing. Did you make sure to run a good virus check on it before and after the install?
"General Error Out of memory"
Evidently 2 GB is below the requirements
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379035"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Can you please give us some more information regarding the problem, at what stage? what file was tested? what OS?
10x in advance
As I would have guessed. The beta does nothing. Did you make sure to run a good virus check on it before and after the install?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379036"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
The beta is not fake but there might be problems since this is the first version
Ok, so what about that direct link? No email address from me with ZERO evidence. Is it against the liscense for others to post a direct link?
compression ratio for MP3: 56% ?!
i thought about this too, and the claims for jpg as well but
it's possible to recompress those filetypes for example if
you decode the huffman-values and recode them with
a more sophisticated coder. don't know if something
like this is used
Same annoncement in comp.Compression.
And same Problems:
No EMail link for download or same error "General Error Out of memory".
At least this compressor gives reproducable results.
Thomas
"General Error Out of memory"
Evidently 2 GB is below the requirements
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379035"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Can you please give us some more information regarding the problem, at what stage? what file was tested? what OS?
10x in advance
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379037"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Downloaded the full version with all plugins; tried to run from the desktop shortcut created; got the error message. Windows XP SP2.
Ok, so what about that direct link? No email address from me with ZERO evidence. Is it against the liscense for others to post a direct link?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379043"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I would post it if I could, but there's an apparently unique user code associated with the download URL.
I think the claim is saying that you are dropping the file in a "zip" or "rar" compression algorithm and compressing the mp3 to 56% of the original size - this would be a huge breakthrough, but you don't even see these claims on any other news sites or anything. You see cliams like this all the time. Not usually with any betas, but then again no one can get the beta to run. Little late for april fools day.
Its certainly not lossless. Its also very slow (~15 minutes to encode an album)
I decoded some FLAC's to WAV and then encoded them with Infima with the best compression settings. Decoded them and used foobar's bit compare tool to check the files.
Original size of files: 395 Mb
Compressed size: 85.3 Mb
But when using the bit compare tool:
Comparing:
"C:\Tom\Dexys Midnight Runners\Searching For The Young Soul Rebels\07 - I Couldn't Help If I Tried\01 - Burn It Down (Dance Stance).wav"
"C:\Tom\Dexys Midnight Runners\Searching For The Young Soul Rebels\Searching For The Young Soul Rebels\01 - Burn It Down (Dance Stance).wav"
differences found: 22562774 sample(s), starting at 0.9851474 second(s), peak: 0.0156250 at 57.0338776 second(s), 1ch
And its the same for all the tracks, they all have differences.
At least his claim isn't like storing 30mins of crystal clear NTSC video on a floppy disk. This had to be the stupidest compression breakthrough claim ever.
At least his claim isn't like storing 30mins of crystal clear NTSC video on a floppy disk. This had to be the stupidest compression breakthrough claim ever.
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a] (http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=379056")
Recall Jan Sloot's technology with its claims to store all the movies of the world onto one CD. That is truly unthinkable.
Concerning the topic: I can't reach [a href="http://www.myinfima.com/]http://www.myinfima.com/[/url] at all
The installer crashed before even showing some dialog when run under a limited user account on Windows XP (Service Pack 2). I can't be bothered to try it under an administrator account for now.
Also have the "General Error Out of memory" error here.
Original File - The Celtic Soul Brothers.wav - 33,367 KB
Encoded File - The Celtic Soul Brothers.lan - 6,862 KB
Decode File - The Celtic Soul Brothers.wav - 33,367 KB
But again the decoded file is different.
Comparing:
"C:\Tom\Dexys Midnight Runners\Too-Rye-Ay\01 - The Celtic Soul Brothers.wav"
"C:\Tom\Dexys Midnight Runners\Too-Rye-Ay\New Folder\01 - The Celtic Soul Brothers.wav"
differences found: 16834726 sample(s), starting at 1.0200680 second(s), peak: 0.0312500 at 6.7400907 second(s), 2ch
Until its lossless then there is no point in testing it IMO.
Allthough there may be a problem in my testing methodology but I doubt it.
Given the nature of the claims and what attempts at verification turned up, I am moving it to offtopic.
The installer crashed before even showing some dialog when run under a limited user account on Windows XP (Service Pack 2). I can't be bothered to try it under an administrator account for now.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379059"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I tried with an Administrator account and it crashed right away here, too. I am using Windows XP Home Service Pack 2 (German).
Rule no 1 of any small SW business:
Be honest. Never claim more than you can deliver. And do not let your mkg dept underestimate the intelligence of your target audience.
Rule no 2 of any small SW business:
Deliver a working beta. The one that not just work, but meets your claims.
Failing these you loose those enthusiastic who bother with your product. Once bitten twice shy, you know. You loose the very people who could spread your product.
You seemed to failed miserably on both accounts. Fortunately you did not fail me, but I would never consider you in the 1st place anyway. I only work with open standards, and wait for others to test 1st. However this just emphasizes the fact that you failed on the very people who took the trouble and the risk to download a dubious product from a dubious company. Big mistake.
Triza
I am also looking forward into testing this, but we need a working installer.
I cant find any information on your website about system requirements.
Is it platform independant, or what?
I cant find any information on your website about system requirements.
Is it platform independant, or what?
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379186"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Hi,
Thank you all for your feedbacks, as claimed here the beta is still premature but can generates some nice results as stated in my first claims here in the discussion. The bugs which are reported will be fixed in the upcoming days (2-3 day max) and we will deliver a new version with the bit-to-bit reconstruction problem which occurred on your tests. In any case the decompressed files are normally undistinguishable from the original files in all ABX tests (Even in the current version).
As for the system requirements:
Sorry for the incontinent the only supported platform for now is Windows 2000 and higher, the installation problems some of you encountered will be further investigated and fix ASAP.
Thanks for you Time & Feedbacks.
- Nir
In any case the decompressed files are normally undistinguishable from the original files in all ABX tests (Even in the current version).
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379215"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Perhaps, but that's not good enough if you are advertising it as lossless.
In any case the decompressed files are normally undistinguishable from the original files in all ABX tests (Even in the current version).
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379215"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Perhaps, but that's not good enough if you are advertising it as lossless.
[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=379228"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
You are correct, we will fix the problem ASAP.
Thanks
The one thing that's keeping my hope up about this app is that the gentleman, Nir Halowani, is admitting the problems and replying in a decent manor... That's not what usually happens if it were a hoax.
Best of luck to you Nir Halowani.
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but this is just bullshit:
Below are the results of comparison between Infima new Video format and the competitors (no quality loss).
Original File: AVI Microsoft Video (200 MB).
Format Size of File
Infima VLAN Format – lossless 31 MB
MPG Microsoft MPEG-4 – lossy 56 MB
DivX – lossy 62 MB
WMV (WindowsMediaVideo) - lossy 66 MB
MOV (Sorenson Video) – lossy 119 MB
Lossless video smaller than lossy? Nah. Not unless Nir Halowani is about to become the richest and most respected man in the world.
I tried to post a reply yesterday but failed, because the thread was locked right before I hit "Add Reply".
Anway, there was a company in Korea not long ago that advertised "lossless recompression of audio/video." When people pointed out that it was impossible, they explained that it was meant to be "perceptually lossless," whatever that may mean. They didn't update their webpages, however.
Déjà vu.
BTW, I went to their website later on, and found an inquiry from On2 Techonology's CEO on their front page. He was asking whether the video part was plagiarized from VP6, IIRC. There was no reply, even though the question was quite old at that time.
I haven't heard about that company ever since.
I cant find any information on your website about system requirements.
Is it platform independant, or what?
As for the system requirements:
Sorry for the incontinent the only supported platform for now is Windows 2000 and higher
Ok, then its no use for non-Windows user like me...
In any case the decompressed files are normally undistinguishable from the original files in all ABX tests (Even in the current version).
No ABX test is needed to check if its lossless. Comparing the PCM stream, or even an MD5 checksum should verify this!
It crashes for me too, normally i try every compressor out, this looks amazing, right.
But:
1st: You need a activate an account to download, okay.
2nd: They don't compared with 7-zip and uharc 0.6 (mm curious,) only compressor with maximum 4mb's of dicctionary?
3rd:The installer crashes (i'm using xp sp2 , more curios looks created with spoon installer (a compressor using a lzma for install?)
@Nir Halowani
To are in alot of forums and guestbooks informing about the compressor, right? I miss this info in 7-zip forums .
Sorry if the post it's in incorrect location. but i think a lot of people are expecting the "compressor"
[edit]
but this is just bullshit:
Below are the results of comparison between Infima new Video format and the competitors (no quality loss).
Original File: AVI Microsoft Video (200 MB).
[snip]
Lossless video smaller than lossy? Nah. Not unless Nir Halowani is about to become the richest and most respected man in the world.
Not to mention you have no idea what kind of video clip that is. "AVI Microsoft Video (200 MB)" doesn't exactly tell much about the content. "Natural" video? Animation? Screen capture?
So, where is that avi? Non-reproducible benchmarks are pretty useless...
AVI Microsoft Video (200 MB).
Maybe in mind cinepack or rle XDDD
Company starting like this and using the word "lossless" in a perceptual sense, which I never heard before is one of those slimey small-time "chances" uhu ... sorry companies.
What kind of QA this company has releasing such rubbish beta. Do you guys have any?
Let's see if you guys are gonna be around in two years time.
Triza
Take a look here:
http://www.maximumcompression.com/guestbook/guestbook.php (http://www.maximumcompression.com/guestbook/guestbook.php)
Can the author clarify this?
The *.pack files in the Data folder are infact .exe's and .dll's packed with UHARC with password:
aud2lan.exe: Monkey's Audio Console Front End (v 4.01)
audlan.exe: Lossless Audio Compressor 0.4b
biglan.exe: SBC Archiver 0.970
bmplan.exe: BMF 1.1
classlan.exe: J.Class Optimizer for Windows. Version 1.00
convlan.exe: ImageMagick 6.2.4 09/10/05 Q16
exelan.exe: UPX 1.93 beta
fastlan.exe: gzip 1.2.4 Win32 (02 Dec 97)
jpeglan.dll: library and tools for JPEG images
lan2.exe: DURILCA v.0.4b
lan2plus.exe: Monstrous PPMII compressor based on PPMd var.J, Feb 16 2006
lannor.exe: DURILCA v.0.4b
lannor1.exe: Fast PPMII compressor for textual data, variant J, Feb 16 2006
lanpack.exe: 7-Zip 4.31
mplan.exe: LAME version 4.0 (alpha 14, Sep 25 2005 10:04:14)
palan.exe: PAQ 8g
pgmlan.exe: photo PGM(P5) <=> BMF file convertor, v.2.0
swflan.exe: flasm 1.52 build Sep 30 2004
wtlan.exe: Infima Tranformer 1.0 - Word Replacing Transformation, rebuild of WRT
pdflan.exe: pdftk 1.12
pnglan.exe: InfimaPNG 1.0: Infima Advanced PNG optimizer, rebuild of Optipng
imglan.exe: fCoder Batch Converters
vidlan.exe: FFmpeg version CVS
Nandub.exe
Password: Infima_xxx_Compression_Plugin
Change xxx with name of .pack file.
Hahaha, him forgott bzip2!! xD
What a great fake/joke!! :
7-zip 4.31 it's "old"
nandub "the same"
lame 4.0 have errors encoding at 128
@JohanDeBock
Dont' worry the lame/author can clarify this, it's clearly, easy to understand it's a joke of 1st of april.
I talked with an engineer of Video and him can't stop to laugh.
So..bye bye..the name? ahh! Infishit no?
7-zip/xvid/ogg rulez!
To me it looks more like a scam/fraud that an april's fool.
Okay, violation of gpl licence?
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audlan.exe: Lossless Audio Compressor 0.4b
exelan.exe: UPX 1.93 beta
fastlan.exe: gzip 1.2.4 Win32 (02 Dec 97)
jpeglan.dll: library and tools for JPEG images
lan2.exe: DURILCA v.0.4b
lan2plus.exe: Monstrous PPMII compressor based on PPMd var.J, Feb 16 2006
lannor.exe: DURILCA v.0.4b
lannor1.exe: Fast PPMII compressor for textual data, variant J, Feb 16 2006
lanpack.exe: 7-Zip 4.31
mplan.exe: LAME version 4.0 (alpha 14, Sep 25 2005 10:04:14)
palan.exe: PAQ 8g
pdflan.exe: pdftk 1.12
pnglan.exe: InfimaPNG 1.0: Infima Advanced PNG optimizer, rebuild of Optipng
vidlan.exe: FFmpeg version CVS
Nandub.exe
All this programs are GPL. Maybe i forgett something.
The *.pack files in the Data folder are infact .exe's and .dll's packed with UHARC with password:
{--deleted--}
Password: Infima_xxx_Compression_Plugin
Change xxx with name of .pack file.
I'm interested in how you can find all this out. And the password too. You reverse-engineer?
The *.pack files in the Data folder are infact .exe's and .dll's packed with UHARC with password:
{--deleted--}
Password: Infima_xxx_Compression_Plugin
Change xxx with name of .pack file.
I'm interested in how you can find all this out. And the password too. You reverse-engineer?
You only need Process Explorer from Sysinternals
Good investigative work guys. Now this is ontopic again
They included lame 4.0 alpha http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=109709 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=109709)
Edit : ops you already know it. So 56% compression over others mp3 encoders is due to Lame 4.0?
Who's working on foo_input_infima?
Patent pending. My arse! They are indeed bloody chancers.
I think we've already witnessed Nir Halowani-s last post, and no-one will follow. Uhum .. This is indeed true, since he is banned now.
Triza
lmao
talk about a pointless topic
Actually, if this was leagal and working, it'd be a pretty cool idea. Using all the best compression techniques in one handy app. Of course there'd need to be a mode to choose between lossless and lossy for audio / video.
It's a damn shame all these amazing compression programs are fakes.
Well, according to the news section regarding it in its website, there are no more 3rd party software included in it.
Even if that were true, the obviously bogus claims still remain.
Peddle your snake oil somewhere else.
Well, according to the news section regarding it in its website, there are no more 3rd party software included in it.
Yeah, I'm sure they replaced all the tools with their own implementations in just a few days.
Well, according to the news section regarding it in its website, there are no more 3rd party software included in it.
Yeah, I'm sure they replaced all the tools with their own implementations in just a few days.
They were open source implementations, right? They could have recompiled them..
It'll be funny in a few years, when the integrated tools are deprecated..
Too bad the developer of it is banned. Maybe if whoever banned him, unbans him, he would be able to offer a reply to what the state of the GPL/LGPL problem is.
Well, according to the news section regarding it in its website, there are no more 3rd party software included in it.
Yeah, I'm sure they replaced all the tools with their own implementations in just a few days.
They were open source implementations, right? They could have recompiled them..
It'll be funny in a few years, when the integrated tools are deprecated..
That would assume they will be still around in a few years. I hope not.
Too bad you banned the developer of it. Maybe if whoever banned him, unbans him, he would be able to offer a reply to what the state of the GPL/LGPL problem is.
I think this is a serious issue and everybody is concerned. A public message on their homepage that explains things would be highly appropriate.
Too bad you banned the developer of it. Maybe if whoever banned him, unbans him, he would be able to offer a reply to what the state of the GPL/LGPL problem is.
I think this is a serious issue and everybody is concerned. A public message on their homepage that explains things would be highly appropriate.
How can he read/reply to your message if he's banned?
you can read without an account.
I also think that the developper should be unbanned, in order to be able to provide explanations.
What "explanation" could there possibly be? Their website is down. Scam failed, they're gone, onto the next victim.
Not so!
http://www.myinfima.com/ (http://www.myinfima.com/)
Okay then.
Note that on the website they now claim they removed "3rd party software".
- 18.4.2006: Infima Archiver 1.13 released which consist on the following:
- Bug fix for some of the compression/decompression problems.
- No quality loss optimization – used only when optimize source files option is set.
- Fix mp3 decompression problems only for 128kb (Other rates are still lossy).
- Mp3 decompression – not bit-to-bit reconstruction but retains quality.
- Video codec's are in some cases still lossy (effect quality) – will be fixed soon.
- 15.4.2006: Infima Archiver 1.12 released which consist on the following:
- Removed 3rd party software's.
- Using ImageMagik, VirtualDub and ffmpeg only for sampling purposes.
- Core implementation consists on FAST PAQ implementation + new concept modeling.
- New Installation package.
I do not think they should be unbanned. If this would be genuine, they could do it on their website.
Note that on the website they now claim they removed "3rd party software"
Not really true, still using paq8, vdub, etc etc, but now it's encripted.
I love the way they refer to their text compression as a "Portable Document Format"... gee, let me think... pdf.... nah, not much copyright breach there! Yeah right!
Why was the developper banned?
TOS 9, TOS 14, and the fact that we particularly dislike scammers.
From guestbook of maximumcompression: (it's amazing):
About infima 1.13:
I tried to compress a .wav 77mb's pcm 44100 16 bits Stereo.
With La it's 27.250.328
With "this" it's 30.279.081
With wavpack it's 36.241.294
With Wavpack hybrid mode it's 11.322.286
About the video:
I tried to recompress a iv5 (intel indeo 5)- xvid -bik -and vp6 (150frames), 980kb's with audio 22050.
The result it's:
iv5: Closed the same size of xvid (casuality?) hehehhe
xvid, bik and vp6 get more compression with RAR xD
How it works (my theory):
It's a group of programs, vdub, imagview, lame, etc...the "program" analizes the files and distribute wich compressor it's the best for every file, for example:
-all the txt's are packed in file .lan (crypted) like, txt.lan, etc ,etc
And for finish the program join all .lan's in one.
<<now stop to laugh >>
My question is "WHY", why so much work for nothing, what in the world he could gain from a scam like this?
Money?