I guess most of you will know that foobar will now rip CDs using offset correction, and also using a test and copy-like security system (Edit: see [a href=\'index.php?act=findpost&pid=329522\']this post[/a] for an explanation).
I've yet to see any comparisons between EAC Secure rips and those performed by foobar, so I'm starting this thread.
The following are stats from my two drives at home - a Plextor PX-W5224A and a Lite-On SOHW-832S.
As yet the tests are for one CD only, but I intend to post further tests, and also test on my drive at work. My previous limited test was performed on the drive at work, and discrepancies occurred, so I'm interested to perform a more thorough test on that drive. It is possible that the earlier beta version of foobar tested may have been an influence.
Edit: FYI I am using 0.9 beta 8. I only discovered beta 9 was out yesterday, but I intend to stick to 8 for these tests at the moment.
foobar filenames are of the format:foo-<drive speed>-<security>-<drive>.wav
drive speed : limited | unlimited
security : disabled | standard | paranoid
drive : makel of drive
EAC filenames are of the format:eac-<drive>.wavEAC rip is in secure mode
MD5s of all files:3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-plextor.wav
EAC log:
EAC extraction logfile from 23. September 2005, 18:06 for CD
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W5224A Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 30
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : Yes
Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Installed external ASPI interface
Range status and errors
Selected range
Filename E:\Testing\foobar\eac-plextor.wav
Peak level 99.9 %
Range quality 100.0 %
CRC D26D6311
Copy OK
No errors occured
End of status report
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EAC extraction logfile from 23. September 2005, 21:23 for CD
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-832S Adapter: 1 ID: 1
Read mode : Secure with C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 12
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Installed external ASPI interface
Range status and errors
Selected range
Filename E:\Testing\foobar\eac-liteon.wav
Peak level 99.9 %
Range quality 100.0 %
CRC D26D6311
Copy OK
No errors occured
End of status report
As you can see all rips were an exact match. This was a little surprising following the rips I had attempted earlier at work - but obviously very pleasing.
Until I can test again at work here are the bit-compare results from those rips:
Comparing:
file path: "file://C:\DOS\testing\eac.wav" / index: 0
file path: "file://C:\DOS\testing\standard.wav" / index: 0
differences found: 136 sample(s), starting at 581.7864 second(s), peak: 3.051758e-005 at 581.7864 second(s), 1ch
Finished successfully.
Comparing:
file path: "file://C:\DOS\testing\eac.wav" / index: 0
file path: "file://C:\DOS\testing\paranoid.wav" / index: 0
differences found: 1527037 sample(s), starting at 564.3864 second(s), peak: 1.998016 at 567.5842 second(s), 1ch
Finished successfully.
Comparing:
file path: "file://C:\DOS\testing\paranoid.wav" / index: 0
file path: "file://C:\DOS\testing\standard.wav" / index: 0
differences found: 1526901 sample(s), starting at 564.3864 second(s), peak: 1.998016 at 567.5842 second(s), 1ch
Finished successfully.
NB: Length: 9:41.826 (581.826s)
I think that the drive speed was unlimited with the above rips. I look forward to performing the formal test on the drive, to see the results.
Perhaps I'm being over cautious (paranoid) here - perhaps everyone will just end up posting matching MD5 checksums (if anyone bothers), but I thought it would be good if people could test on various drives using various settings, to prove whether foobar could replace EAC as some users' ripper of choice - or at worst a damn fine alternative (e.g.: CDs that EAC doesn't like for some reason (TRACK1 INDEX 0)).
My next test at home will involve a known troublesome CD.
Perhaps I'm being over cautious (paranoid) here - perhaps everyone will just end up posting matching MD5 checksums (if anyone bothers), but I thought it would be good if people could test on various drives using various settings, to prove whether foobar could replace EAC as some users' ripper of choice - or at worst a damn fine alternative (e.g.: CDs that EAC doesn't like for some reason (TRACK1 INDEX 0)).
IMHO it should be the opposite : you could use foobar2000's ripper, instead of EAC burst, for CDs that have difficulty when very scratched. By the way, try one test with a scratched CD, you should see a difference in results.
I'm not really sure that's the opposite. I use EAC's secure mode, and EAC currently (it's on the todo list supposedly) doesn't have test and copy for image files. Therefore my preferred choice would be EAC secure, then foobar test and copy, then EAC test and copy (tracks).
Can you elaborate regarding the scratched disc? Are you suggesting the foobar results would be better?
I will try a scratched (or more accurately, badly scratched) CD myself.
a scratched CD with eac will report supposedly better data than foobar, due to rescanning until CRC match. However, if a CD is irrecupable, you're better off skipping the error blocks, and filling them with silence instead. -- something both foobar and eac can do, in burst mode. (or secure for that matter, but it's slower)
I guess most of you will know that foobar will now rip CDs using offset correction, and also using a test and copy-like security system (maybe later I can find the link where Peter briefly describes the logic behind foobar's rip).
Where is foobar2000's ripper? I can't seem to find it. I'm guessing that you are using the latest beta from the official site?
Yep 0.9 beta. There are new drive and security settings in the "play audio cd" dialogue.
Then simply use the converter to rip the cd.
To rip with 0.9 beta.
For the settings: Go to Components > Play Audio CD > Select your drive > Drive Settings > and you can then choose your security level.
To rip the CD: Highlight all your tracks > Right Click > Convert > Convert to > Choose Format > Choose Location.
Are there any plans to generate a log file, or am I missing something? CRC values for the files within the log file would be very nice.
This test is certainly necessery, but I see no reason why I should dump EAC, not even foobar's stricter cue sheet handling made me do that.
Are there any plans to generate a log file, or am I missing something? CRC values for the files within the log file would be very nice.
Not that I'm aware of - but I agree it would be good.
I ripped all WAVE files to one directory and then create the MD5 digest using my batch file (http://www.neilpopham.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/batch_files.html#md5-create) (which uses FSUM).
I'm not having much luck finding a difficult disc to test. I think I may have to make one. My idea at the moment is to copy the previous test disc and scratch it - that should give me some additional maxims.
It seems to me the best (only useful?) test disc will be one that has recoverable errors (i.e.: errors that don't result in sync errors) - to test the error recovery of both.
I have started tests with REM's "Green" and The Cult's "Love" - both of which I re-ripped when I got my Plextor as I knew I'd had problems when originally ripped with my Toshiba.
Unfortunately both discs have a minor TRACK 1 INDEX 0 track ("pregap") - curiously both TRACK 1 INDEX 1 values are 00:00:33. I guess this was enough to trouble my Toshiba, but not the LiteOn or Plextor. More importantly it makes them unsuitable for an EAC vs foobar comparison as foobar currently (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=37348) only recognises INDEX 1 values (so the WAVEs will always be unequal even on a perfect rip).
Here's the results anyway, in the continued absense of anything particularly useful:
REM - Green:
3d4345ed37f11170ad72353b0d66b923 *eac-liteon.wav
3d4345ed37f11170ad72353b0d66b923 *eac-plextor.wav
6218b023353db17aad6a73737ea93fb4 *eac-toshiba.wav
9ec150ccd51d2e3c8020e18e6d8056c1 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon.wav
9ec150ccd51d2e3c8020e18e6d8056c1 *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon.wav
9ec150ccd51d2e3c8020e18e6d8056c1 *foo-limited-standard-liteon.wav
9ec150ccd51d2e3c8020e18e6d8056c1 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon.wav
9ec150ccd51d2e3c8020e18e6d8056c1 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon.wav
The Cult - Love:
29cc3412d6227a34031efdaece249691 *eac-liteon.wav
d63b0109535f3fa019d71af9eb621acb *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon.wav
d63b0109535f3fa019d71af9eb621acb *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon.wav
I'll test the first disc at work tomorrow on the crappy Samsung there, and create an errored version to test as soon as I have time.
Please feel free to post your own tests.
"Standard" mode already requires two identical CRCs on each block to pass (it will keep rereading and error out if it can't get consistent results after 128 reads; also see console output). "Paranoid" mode is pretty much the same, except it wants four identical CRCs instead; it's absolute overkill and should not be used on anything else than really badly damaged discs such as recent wave of EMI releases (I managed to get an audible glitch with two identical CRCs on Goldfrapp - Supernature on LG GSA-4163; EAC secure mode would entirely refuse to rip it on two different setups).
"Standard" mode already requires two identical CRCs on each block to pass (it will keep rereading and error out if it can't get consistent results after 128 reads; also see console output). "Paranoid" mode is pretty much the same, except it wants four identical CRCs instead; it's absolute overkill and should not be used on anything else than really badly damaged discs such as recent wave of EMI releases (I managed to get an audible glitch with two identical CRCs on Goldfrapp - Supernature on LG GSA-4163; EAC secure mode would entirely refuse to rip it on two different setups).
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Is there plans to have it output a log?
Is there plans to have it output a log?
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Possibly, but there are complications with doing that from architectural point of view. Unless writing info to console (interrupted by playback messages etc) as well as creating separate log for each ripped track is sufficient for you.
Argh! My test CD keeps going from perfectly readable to totally unreadable!
Anyone know of a good way to create (recoverable) read errors on a CD without killing it?
I'm scratching with a bent paper clip at the moment and it goes perfect, still perfect, still perfect, unrecognisable.
As an alternative I will try some restoration on the ones I've totally killed thus far. I'll buy some Brasso this evening at Sainsburys... I have a Cure CD that has sync errors so I've been waiting to have a pop at that one as well. Edit: I just got some at ChavSave at lunchtime but then realised that it won't work on a CD-R! Ah well, hopefully it will retore my Cure CD. Any ideas how to restore a scratched CD-R?
Ho hum.
I'm perhaps not the best choice to be starting a testing thread.
Edit: I think my main problem must be corrupting the TOC, so maybe I'll concentrate more on the outer edge of the data...
My previous limited test was performed on the drive at work, and discrepancies occurred, so I'm interested to perform a more thorough test on that drive. It is possible that the earlier beta version of foobar tested may have been an influence.
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I look forward to performing the formal test on the drive, to see the results.
The first test did raise some discrepancies, so I decided to run each setup 5 times. Here are the results:
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung.wav
7cfc5a09786604963b428a8f4166fb37 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-5.wav
a7f5a352c22ac4a44f23086fcb29d87e *foo-limited-disabled-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung.wav
d82232a4bdda3be4db706a5ce19a7d16 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-2.wav
5abd069a6cfe48392d89abfb8e7de35d *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-4.wav
c03b49c3be51f6c55cfbb5121590cbb6 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-5.wav
c03b49c3be51f6c55cfbb5121590cbb6 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-5.wav
4764efd0904d1fb3c2fc6b39e682e9bb *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung.wavI'm not sure that this is proving anything other than the drive is unreliable.
It's tending toward the fact that limited standard/paranoid is safer, but also unlimited disabled.
Unless writing info to console (interrupted by playback messages etc) as well as creating separate log for each ripped track is sufficient for you.
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Maybe it is an option to pass that data to a simple parser in order to refine the extraction-relevant information?
I ran some tests myself. The disc I used I have previously managed to get consistent extractions (after error recovery) with Plextools in the past and I've not touched the disc since. I'm wondering whether or not the fact that I ripped the disc with other apps first had an effect on the disc by heating it up.
I'll pop it in the fridge and try again later.
Foobar2000, Plextools and EAC comparison (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/tests/foo_test.php).
I managed to get an audible glitch with two identical CRCs on Goldfrapp - Supernature on LG GSA-4163; EAC secure mode would entirely refuse to rip it on two different setups.
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Were they two seperate rips or do you mean Foobar2000 managed to find two identical CRCs during the ripping process?
Were they two seperate rips or do you mean Foobar2000 managed to find two identical CRCs during the ripping process?
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Two identical CRCs during single ripping pass. I *did* get a lot of CRC mismatches (rereads) during the process, so it can't be a drive cache issue - unless the drive has done something really weird.
Were they two seperate rips or do you mean Foobar2000 managed to find two identical CRCs during the ripping process?
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Two identical CRCs during single ripping pass. I *did* get a lot of CRC mismatches (rereads) during the process, so it can't be a drive cache issue - unless the drive has done something really weird.
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If I understand what Foobar200 is reporting correctly, the same happened to me above. Something weird is happening, for sure.
edit: for the record a PX-708A (I'll edit my page shortly, I forgot to add that).
Well, I guess there are always very low but non-zero chances of getting same glitched output on bad CD twice. We need C2 support, and I don't have docs or free time for it at the moment.
>very low but non-zero chances of getting same glitched output on bad CD twice
That is just it, no one has scientific data to prove it one way or the other, it could be 1:25 of bad rips (where an error got through because of an repeated bad datablock), 1:6, or 1:1000, thing is no-one knows.
Perhaps a simple test and copy function is enough? C2 doesn't always seem to be reliable either.
edit: I've just ripped the troublesome track 8 on my CD 8 times. Each time Foobar2000 reported that the error recovery was successful, but every file had a different CRC. I'd say some form of test and copy is essential, with EAC aswell as Foobar.
I ran some tests myself. The disc I used I have previously managed to get consistent extractions (after error recovery) with Plextools in the past and I've not touched the disc since. I'm wondering whether or not the fact that I ripped the disc with other apps first had an effect on the disc by heating it up.
I'll pop it in the fridge and try again later.
Foobar2000, Plextools and EAC comparison (http://www.daefeatures.co.uk/tests/foo_test.php).
I totally missed this post.
Thanks for the info.
I'm beginning to wonder what conclusions can be made - except that each app has it's own way of ensuring security, and none are infallible.
Edit: That said, I'm not expecting results to be the same on badly scratched tracks. When multiple reads are done I guess it's down to each app to decide how to handle the data it has managed to retrieve from the block in those reads.
Currently I am interested in testing CDs that cause EAC's secure mode error recovery and foobar's standard/paranoid check to kick in, but don't result in read or sync errors (i.e.: recoverable errors). If foobar and EAC can both agree on the data from recoverable errors then I think that's a real boon for foobar.
Perhaps a simple test and copy function is enough? C2 doesn't always seem to be reliable either.
edit: I've just ripped the troublesome track 8 on my CD 8 times. Each time Foobar2000 reported that the error recovery was successful, but every file had a different CRC. I'd say some form of test and copy is essential, with EAC aswell as Foobar.
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Secure mode was meant to be equivalent of T&C (T&C on per-4MB-block basis, to allow streamed read without caching interfering with rereads), with additional rereads in case of bad CRC until at least two identical results from each sector are read. If you get no read error reports in console, the rip should be as safe as burst mode T&C with no mismatches - assuming the 4MB block read trick works as expected (some drives have more cache than that and actually use it for audio?).
Perhaps something to more aggressively avoid cache is necessary (larger block read size?).
i made a test with my 2 "special" Blind Guardian CDs...
the discs are from the album "Live", which was released in 2003 with a nasty copy-protection. EAC can read CD1 in secure mode, though it's very slow. CD2 is unreadable in secure mode. It would take 2 hours for EAC to extract it, so i gave up.
now, that foobar supports secure extration, i wanted to give it a try, to finally backup the second disk to wavpack. I used Secure and Unlimited.
My drive is a LG GSA-4120B, offset +667.
here are my results, i calulated them with MD5summer (http://www.md5summer.org):
eab296397f944d2cc91dec3ab7323fa2 *Blind Guardian - Live CD1 - LG foobar.wav
eab296397f944d2cc91dec3ab7323fa2 *Blind Guardian - Live CD1 - LG Secure.wav
eab296397f944d2cc91dec3ab7323fa2 *Blind Guardian - Live CD1 - LG Secure 2.wav
fa807756b4203781671cf5a45447eba5 *Blind Guardian - Live CD1 - LG Sync.wav
b82ce676220e83a2cb564d213fc86abc *Blind Guardian - Live CD2 - LG Burst.wav
9b6c63e8dd7b5695b7c674157dd0dd01 *Blind Guardian - Live CD2 - LG foobar.wav
bf143d3e63f692511b5bb1864d5545e3 *Blind Guardian - Live CD2 - LG Sync 1.wav
9b6c63e8dd7b5695b7c674157dd0dd01 *Blind Guardian - Live CD2 - LG Sync 2.wav
a8645b89003d2df122ad9f3b6c47c74f *Blind Guardian - Live CD2 - LG Sync 3.wav
39ec0f7973f81c32a66a6234766120f2 *Blind Guardian - Live CD2 - LG Sync 4.wav
foobar seems to extract correctly, as the MD5 is the same with secure mode on CD1.
on CD2, it seems as if i got a lucky try with sync 2 (EAC in synchronization mode).
an interesting deatail might be, that wavpack outputs following MD5s for the foobar extractions:
CD1: b97916c7c62c7abd052dd56fc1e4e591
CD2: d3af9b64a02916bbf0c049eac577f346
i don't know why wavpack displays the "wrong" MD5, after compressing and decoding, the files are the same.
an interesting deatail might be, that wavpack outputs following MD5s for the foobar extractions:
CD1: b97916c7c62c7abd052dd56fc1e4e591
CD2: d3af9b64a02916bbf0c049eac577f346
i don't know why wavpack displays the "wrong" MD5, after compressing and decoding, the files are the same.
Thanks for your input.
WavPack stores the MD5 of the raw audio data (i.e.: excluding the file header). Nothing to worry about.
One of my drives has 8MB of cache.. What can we do in that case? Is there any way to tell foobar my cache size?
Is there plans to have it output a log?
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Possibly, but there are complications with doing that from architectural point of view. Unless writing info to console (interrupted by playback messages etc) as well as creating separate log for each ripped track is sufficient for you.
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Separate log info for each track would actually make lots of sense, particularly when some tracks are re-ripped because of glitches. That is a good idea of yours.
Could the files be tagged with the log data, like "LOG=Ripped using foobar2000 0.9b\ Paranoid Secure... etc" metadata fields in APEv2 tags? This would have a side effect of eliminating .log files and make sure every ripped file always contains its own correct log.
For those of us who are used to log files, a playlist menu option for exportation of metadata to a log file could then be added, or simply scripted using [a href="http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=29229&st=0&p=259105&#]foobar's customizable "copy" command[/url]. This would leave foobar's architecture intact and provide the desired functionality.
I found a track (All Along the Watchtower, no less) that has recoverable errors.
EAC is content after one bar in secure mode.
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *eac-liteon-2.wav
a14e182b014cd9f25424b4ba29d61495 *eac-liteon-3.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *eac-liteon.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon-2.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-disabled-liteon-3.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon-2.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon-3.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-standard-liteon-2.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-standard-liteon-3.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-standard-liteon.wav
220ff51f631fd1d617c2ded9a86e9c46 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon-2.wav
220ff51f631fd1d617c2ded9a86e9c46 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon-3.wav
ed096329e5f3b7869dc74a6e67c68812 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon-2.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon-3.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon.wav
4762f160e5f92d6bda5e6bd8c285a85e *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon-2.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon-3.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon.wavfoobar console outputfoo-limited-paranoid-liteon
===========================
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
=
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #2, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #3, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
=
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #2, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #3, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon
=============================
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #2, matches so far: 1782/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
=
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1778/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
=
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1778/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
foo-limited-standard-liteon
===========================
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
=
(no mismatches reported)
=
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1782/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
foo-unlimited-standard-liteon
=============================
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1782/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
=
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
=
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1780/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
Tomorrow I'll try it in my Plextor, to see if I can find what the MD5 should be, or at least what my Plextor
thinks it should be. I may re-test with a cooler drive also.
Edit, or "tomorrow is now here": OK, here are a few results from the Plextor (I think I'll get some more), and also a 4th run on the LiteOn, on a cooler drive:
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *eac-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *eac-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-paranoid-plextor.wav
9e2f928f6f02986adfaa1918e754bf7e *foo-unlimited-disabled-plextor.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *eac-liteon-4.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon-4.wav
57d920846b666e3619c159ea6475128c *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon-4.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-standard-liteon-4.wav
220ff51f631fd1d617c2ded9a86e9c46 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon-4.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon-4.wav
e8ace34a8ff6ae4f25479f816e371dc4 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon-4.wavIt's looking like Plextor thinks the correct MD5 is 4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a, which was not achieved
once on the LiteOn...
I'm tempted to say the winner on the LiteOn is dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8. This has been achieved in all four runs in foobar with unlimited paranoid, and EAC twice out of four. I actually did a "test" in EAC right at the beginning of the test. The test CRC matched that of eac-liteon.wav, the first test on EAC - so I could say that this was achieved 3/5 times in EAC.
All in all not very conclusive though.
I thought, if EAC reported the copy to be OK, that you had a secure rip. This is obviously not the case, and only goes to prove why Test & Copy is used.
I've had enough of inconclusive results. After I've done some more Plextor runs to try to get some sort of conclusion I think I'll quit the business.
Edit: Oh, also some listening tests on the questionable part.
Edit, or "now it's the next day": OK, here are the results for
All Along the Watchtower on my Plextor:
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *eac-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *eac-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-disabled-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-disabled-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-paranoid-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-paranoid-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-standard-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-standard-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-disabled-plextor-2.wav
9e2f928f6f02986adfaa1918e754bf7e *foo-unlimited-disabled-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-paranoid-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-paranoid-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-standard-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-standard-plextor.wavListening TestUnsuccessful. According to bit-compare with the WAVEs tested there is between 57 and 128 different samples in the files. I've examined a couple in Audacity and cannot see any glitch, let alone hear it. Examination of two files in a HEX editor showed only 7 (non-successive) bytes differing.
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Conclusions[/span]
Considering the limited testing and dubious results these conclusions should be taken with a pinch of salt (except 1). However, I feel, after the work I have put in, some conclusions are necessary - even if it is to spark discussion.
- Don't lend your CDs to your brother while travelling Europe. I can only assume he's to blame for my scratched Cure and Jimi CDs.
- No ripper is infallible. Even EAC returns differing results depending on the drive. File this one under "nothing in life is perfect".
- foobar's ripper in standard and paranoid mode is on par with EAC's error correction. In fact, with the Jimi test on my LiteOn, the results from foobar with unlimited-secure and unlimited-paranoid attained a better success rate than EAC (3:4 over 3:5) - unlimited-paranoid achieved 1:1 (4/4). As both applications have got things right, and got things wrong, I find it difficult to state which one is the better. However foobar's inclusion of offset correction and a Test & Copy system is a definite improvement over 0.8.3, and should be commended.
- Limiting the drive speed is not necessarily better. If my dodgy conclusion for the "correct" MD5 for the LiteOn is correct, the best results were achieved, on that drive, with unlimited-standard and unlimited-paranoid. Also, with the pristine CD on the dodgy Samsung drive, unlimited-disabled was more consistent than limited-disabled. It looks like there may be something to be said for testing whether your drive prefers it or not.
- The Samsung SD-616E drive at work is unreliable. My Plextor PX-W5224A is better at reading discs in any situation than the LiteOn or Samsung.
- I'm not cut out for formal tests. I don't have the patience.
Edit: I expect to continue to use EAC to rip my CDs, mainly as I'm comfortable with it. However, if I could not use EAC for some reason, I would be quite happy to use foobar's limited-standard or limited-paranoid mode with my Plextor - being paranoid I would probably use limited-paranoid. Actually, this may depend on the quality of the CD. Limited-standard would be fine for a newer CD.
I guess a speed test may also be worth doing, for those people who seem obsessed by doing everything as fast as possible. I find it difficult to say whether limited-standard or limited-paranoid would be faster or slower than EAC. I seem to remember even limited ripping on the Plextor being very quick.
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Collated Results (Clearer Format)[/span]
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Test CD (tracks 4 to 6 from Bloc Party - Silent Alarm) [no errors on CD]
=========================================================================
LITEON
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon.wav
PLEXTOR
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-plextor.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-plextor.wav
SAMSUNG
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *eac-samsung.wav
7cfc5a09786604963b428a8f4166fb37 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-disabled-samsung-5.wav
a7f5a352c22ac4a44f23086fcb29d87e *foo-limited-disabled-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-paranoid-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-limited-standard-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung-5.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-disabled-samsung.wav
d82232a4bdda3be4db706a5ce19a7d16 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-2.wav
5abd069a6cfe48392d89abfb8e7de35d *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-4.wav
c03b49c3be51f6c55cfbb5121590cbb6 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung-5.wav
c03b49c3be51f6c55cfbb5121590cbb6 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-samsung.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-2.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-3.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-4.wav
3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3 *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung-5.wav
4764efd0904d1fb3c2fc6b39e682e9bb *foo-unlimited-standard-samsung.wav
NOTE1: On the Samsung drive, EAC and foobar limited-paranoid/limited-standard/unlimited-disabled all produced conclusive results.
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Jimi Hendrix - All Along The Watchtower [recoverable errors (x2) on track]
===========================================================================
LITEON
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *eac-liteon-2.wav
a14e182b014cd9f25424b4ba29d61495 *eac-liteon-3.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *eac-liteon-4.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *eac-liteon.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 [undocumented "Test" (F8)]
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon-2.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-disabled-liteon-3.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon-4.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-disabled-liteon.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon-2.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon-3.wav
57d920846b666e3619c159ea6475128c *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon-4.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-paranoid-liteon.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-standard-liteon-2.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-standard-liteon-3.wav
f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 *foo-limited-standard-liteon-4.wav
09ffa16631e9865d94e90d6dbf94796a *foo-limited-standard-liteon.wav
220ff51f631fd1d617c2ded9a86e9c46 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon-2.wav
220ff51f631fd1d617c2ded9a86e9c46 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon-3.wav
220ff51f631fd1d617c2ded9a86e9c46 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon-4.wav
ed096329e5f3b7869dc74a6e67c68812 *foo-unlimited-disabled-liteon.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon-2.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon-3.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon-4.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-paranoid-liteon.wav
4762f160e5f92d6bda5e6bd8c285a85e *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon-2.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon-3.wav
e8ace34a8ff6ae4f25479f816e371dc4 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon-4.wav
dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 *foo-unlimited-standard-liteon.wav
NOTE1: I deem dfbd610f46c29bb2daa604f342766db8 to be the "correct" result for the LiteOn. Not only was it produced the most times, but also with the most trustworthy modes, these being EAC and foobar unlimited-paranoid/unlimited-standard.
NOTE2: f97ae89101d7d814b61905a811658de3 is a curious partner, and may actually be the "correct" result - which would really confuse matters.
PLEXTOR
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *eac-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *eac-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-disabled-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-disabled-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-paranoid-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-paranoid-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-standard-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-limited-standard-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-disabled-plextor-2.wav
9e2f928f6f02986adfaa1918e754bf7e *foo-unlimited-disabled-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-paranoid-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-paranoid-plextor.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-standard-plextor-2.wav
4c2c1f7b330fb3979587c5c3be1b335a *foo-unlimited-standard-plextor.wav
NOTE1: The Plextor reports no errors on the CD.
NOTE2: The mismatched MD5 can only be put down to a glitch. I would always use at least standard security anyway. The fact that the Plextor MD5 and the winning LiteOn MD5 do not match, and that the LiteOn never achieved an MD5 matching the Plextor in all 29 tests, only proves that you can't always trust what your drive says.
This is excellent!
Congratulations to Peter for his wonderful (and correctly implemented idea) new development for foobar2000
And thanks to you, Synthetic Soul, for your time and patience.
It is good to have an alternative on ripping
I conducted a test of foobar 0.9b9's new ripping capability with respect to error detection & correction. The CD used was one which I have had considerable problems with in the past. It is badly scratched and in the past several attempts using EAC's secure mode has been required to successfully rip the CD.
Drive has (from EAC): Accurate Stream, No Cache, No C2.
I ripped in foobar using unlimited drive speed in each of the three modes: disabled, secure, and paranoid. I ripped in EAC using Secure mode verified by AccurateRip. The results shown are only those tracks which did not produce identical md5 hashes in all rips (thanks for the script Synthetic Soul ):
Track 7:
foo-unlimited-disabled: 538df4df83a6fa3a19d82a2329d8fb81
foo-unlimited-secure: 96cb4895b72779d580a5c93f75666c70
foo-unlimited-paranoid: 96cb4895b72779d580a5c93f75666c70
eac-secure-accurate: 96cb4895b72779d580a5c93f75666c70
Track 12:
foo-unlimited-disabled: 2bf60c83f669024b27074e2911fc044e
foo-unlimited-secure: 085538635b06ea6cd035104c5f6f4798
foo-unlimited-paranoid: 7e218d767c5c8810006d54d27ebbafd9
eac-secure-accurate: 7e218d767c5c8810006d54d27ebbafd9
Track 13:
foo-unlimited-disabled: 40107f4c4133c513d69d59946b51250e
foo-unlimited-secure: 240bc6ceaf14ea96f5d06d8795f03a13
foo-unlimited-paranoid: 240bc6ceaf14ea96f5d06d8795f03a13
eac-secure-accurate: 240bc6ceaf14ea96f5d06d8795f03a13
As you can see, fb2k's secure mode failed to detect an error on track 12. However paranoid mode agreed with EAC and so in this limited test and for this drive I'm satisfied that paranoid is as accurate as EAC. It should be noted that secure ripped almost twice as fast a paranoid mode.
Logs:
foo-unlimited-disabled:
cd access error, attempting to reread
reread successful
cd access error, attempting to reread
reread successful
Total encoding time: 3:40.625, 20.09x realtime
foo-unlimited-secure:
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1773/1784
reread #2, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #3, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #4, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #5, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #6, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #7, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #8, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #9, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #10, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #11, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #12, matches so far: 1782/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1722/1784
reread #2, matches so far: 1744/1784
reread #3, matches so far: 1756/1784
reread #4, matches so far: 1761/1784
reread #5, matches so far: 1762/1784
reread #6, matches so far: 1770/1784
reread #7, matches so far: 1774/1784
reread #8, matches so far: 1774/1784
reread #9, matches so far: 1774/1784
reread #10, matches so far: 1775/1784
reread #11, matches so far: 1775/1784
reread #12, matches so far: 1775/1784
reread #13, matches so far: 1775/1784
reread #14, matches so far: 1777/1784
reread #15, matches so far: 1778/1784
reread #16, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #17, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #18, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #19, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #20, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #21, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #22, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #23, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #24, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #25, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #26, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #27, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #28, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #29, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #30, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #31, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #32, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #33, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #34, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #35, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #36, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #37, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #38, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #39, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #40, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #41, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #42, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #43, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #44, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #45, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #46, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #47, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #48, matches so far: 1783/1784
reread #49, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
cd access error, attempting to reread
reread successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1777/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 696/698
secure mode: rereading successful
Total encoding time: 9:25.078, 7.84x realtime
foo-unlimited-paranoid:
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1770/1784
reread #2, matches so far: 1773/1784
reread #3, matches so far: 1774/1784
reread #4, matches so far: 1778/1784
reread #5, matches so far: 1779/1784
reread #6, matches so far: 1779/1784
reread #7, matches so far: 1779/1784
reread #8, matches so far: 1779/1784
reread #9, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #10, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #11, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #12, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #13, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #14, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #15, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #16, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #17, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #18, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #19, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #20, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #21, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #22, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #23, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #24, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #25, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #26, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #27, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #28, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #29, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #30, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #31, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #32, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #33, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #34, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #35, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #36, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #37, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #38, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #39, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #40, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #41, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #42, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #43, matches so far: 1782/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1777/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1699/1784
reread #2, matches so far: 1720/1784
reread #3, matches so far: 1734/1784
reread #4, matches so far: 1740/1784
reread #5, matches so far: 1749/1784
reread #6, matches so far: 1755/1784
reread #7, matches so far: 1761/1784
reread #8, matches so far: 1764/1784
reread #9, matches so far: 1766/1784
reread #10, matches so far: 1771/1784
cd access error, attempting to reread
reread successful
reread #11, matches so far: 1771/1784
reread #12, matches so far: 1771/1784
reread #13, matches so far: 1772/1784
reread #14, matches so far: 1775/1784
reread #15, matches so far: 1778/1784
reread #16, matches so far: 1778/1784
reread #17, matches so far: 1778/1784
reread #18, matches so far: 1779/1784
reread #19, matches so far: 1779/1784
reread #20, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #21, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #22, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #23, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #24, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #25, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #26, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #27, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #28, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #29, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #30, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #31, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #32, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #33, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #34, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #35, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #36, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #37, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #38, matches so far: 1780/1784
reread #39, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #40, matches so far: 1781/1784
reread #41, matches so far: 1782/1784
reread #42, matches so far: 1783/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
cd access error, attempting to reread
reread successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1782/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 696/698
secure mode: rereading successful
secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying
reread #1, matches so far: 1782/1784
secure mode: rereading successful
Total encoding time: 17:39.031, 4.18x realtime
eac-secure-accurate:
EAC extraction logfile from 30. September 2005, 11:37 for CD
Daft Punk / Homework
Used drive : CyberDrvCW038D CD-R/RW Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, NO disable cache
Read offset correction : 733
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Installed external ASPI interface
Track 1
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 01 - Daftendirekt.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 775C6528
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 02 - Wdpk 83.7 fm.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC BE1AA997
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 03 - Revolution 909.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 14042BB1
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 04 - Da Funk.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC F2590C56
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 05 - Phoenix.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 14934653
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 06 - Fresh.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 8C6B27CD
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 07 - Around The World.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 672C01FE
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 08 - Rollin' & Scratchin'.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC AEDB2CE0
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 09 - Teachers.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC D39D786E
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 10 - High Fidelity.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 7F771BFD
Copy OK
Track 11
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 11 - Rock'n Roll.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC C3E0945E
Copy OK
Track 12
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 12 - Oh Yeah.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.5 %
Copy CRC 56083591
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 13 - Burnin'.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 4B4BBD5B
Copy OK
Track 14
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 14 - Ino Silver Club.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 9168E0A1
Copy OK
Track 15
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 15 - Alive.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 9F6CE455
Copy OK
Track 16
Filename D:\New Music\Daft Punk\(1996) Homework\Daft Punk - 16 - Funk Ad.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC BB623FBD
Copy OK
No errors occured
End of status report
Also, my drive had considerable trouble with the "limit drive speed" option when error correction was disabled in foobar. It would get part way into the first track before slowing down to about .3x realtime. I cancelled and didn't try with secure or paranoid modes.
Thanks for the support and additional data. The more data the better.
The only other point I would raise in krazy's test is that EAC also had the most problem with track 12 - the track which unlimited-standard failed on - rating that track's quality as 99.5%, rather than the 99.9% achieved by tracks 7 and 13. So there is some definite correlation between the results.
I need to try to remember some other discs that have caused me problems with EAC. I know my Captain Beefheart Safe as Milk reports errors - there may be some tracks on that disc that have only recoverable errors (I know there are some unrecoverable ones ).
Shouldn't EAC cache be disabled?
Shouldn't EAC cache be disabled?
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Depends on the drive.
Do you have that drive?
I ripped a CD using Exact Audio Copy and foobar2000 and the first 13 tracks were identical (tested using "shntool cmp -s"). The last tracks, however, were different. When I ran "shntool cmp -s" on them it told me, "Contents of these files are identical (up to the first 8972472 bytes of WAVE data)." When I ran "shntool info" on them it gave me this info:
EAC
data size: 8972472 bytes
chunk size: 8972508 bytes
total size (chunk size + 8): 8972516 bytes
...
sector misalignment: 1944 bytes
foobar2000
data size: 8972880 bytes
chunk size: 8972916 bytes
total size (chunk size + 8): 8972924 bytes
...
sector misalignment: 0 bytes
What could cause those differences in "sector misallignment" values? And which is the better behavior, EAC's or FB2k's?
Synthetic Soul are you sure you set read offsets for all the driver correctly?
One CRC for A drivie and another for B drive may sugest an offset problem IMHO.
The MD5 hash (3adf5ccf2220532a367ffaf031dd56b3) matches for all drives for the pristine test CD*, so I believe so.
[span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%']* Excluding some dodgy Samsung results.[/span]
bump!!
Are there any options in V0.9 that I should know about. IE - is there anyway to export a log file during a Rip.
My own very limited testing (one cd with one drive) agree with Synthetic Soul's conclusions: neither foobar2000 nor EAC is infallible and foobar2000's standard ripping mode is on par with EAC's secure mode.
Here's the foobar2000 log. Tracks 3 and 5 do not verify with Accuraterip based on Fooaccrip (http://fb2k.org/show.php?id=261).
2 out of 10 tracks converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,01"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 1, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,02"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 2, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,03"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 3, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,04"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 4, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,05"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 5, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,06"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 6, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,07"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 7, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,08"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 8, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,09"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 9, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,10"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 10, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Here's the EAC log. Again both tracks 3 and 5 are not accurately ripped.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 20. April 2009, 20:44
Everything But The Girl / Amplified Heart
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : No
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 3:14.05 | 0 | 14554
2 | 3:14.05 | 3:33.70 | 14555 | 30599
3 | 6:48.00 | 4:25.35 | 30600 | 50509
4 | 11:13.35 | 3:30.27 | 50510 | 66286
5 | 14:43.62 | 3:33.63 | 66287 | 82324
6 | 18:17.50 | 4:05.70 | 82325 | 100769
7 | 22:23.45 | 4:06.10 | 100770 | 119229
8 | 26:29.55 | 3:59.67 | 119230 | 137221
9 | 30:29.47 | 4:03.55 | 137222 | 155501
10 | 34:33.27 | 2:03.65 | 155502 | 164791
Track 1
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\01 - Rollercoaster.wav
Peak level 88.8 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC A714A435
Accurately ripped (confidence 19) [FE9B8357]
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\02 - Troubled Mind.wav
Peak level 91.7 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC CE79EF57
Accurately ripped (confidence 19) [4D16EAE4]
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\03 - I Don't Understand Anything.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 614AAE00
Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 18) [E1A061EC], AccurateRip returned [E6F6B57B]
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\04 - Walking To You.wav
Peak level 70.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 665E21E4
Accurately ripped (confidence 19) [202C5CA5]
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\05 - Get Me.wav
Peak level 70.1 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC 26EB1024
Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 18) [726A1BFF], AccurateRip returned [5E1F33C1]
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\06 - Missing.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC C6C24C9A
Accurately ripped (confidence 19) [F401160D]
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\07 - Two Star.wav
Peak level 91.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC D33E0426
Accurately ripped (confidence 18) [50D5F7C5]
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\08 - We Walk The Same Line.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 4505FA10
Accurately ripped (confidence 18) [EB4812C8]
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\09 - 25th December.wav
Peak level 73.4 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 706DD918
Accurately ripped (confidence 18) [71377937]
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\10 - Disenchanted.wav
Peak level 76.6 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 556C357F
Accurately ripped (confidence 18) [FE09F1B9]
Copy OK
8 track(s) accurately ripped
2 track(s) could not be verified as accurate
Some tracks could not be verified as accurate
No errors occurred
End of status report
Dbpoweramp was able to rip all tracks accurately.
dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:48 PM
Drive & Settings
----------------
Ripping with drive 'D: [TSSTcorp - CDDVDW TS-L632H ]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8
Extraction Log
--------------
Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 14555 (3:14) in 0:26. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 01 - Rollercoaster.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 19) [Pass 1]
CRC32: A714A435 AccurateRip CRC: FE9B8357 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-1]
Track 2: Ripped LBA 14555 to 30600 (3:33) in 0:20. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 02 - Troubled Mind.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 19) [Pass 1]
CRC32: CE79EF57 AccurateRip CRC: 4D16EAE4 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-2]
Track 3: Ripped LBA 30600 to 50510 (4:25) in 0:49. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 03 - I Don't Understand Anything.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 18) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 3 Frames]
CRC32: 8B1263E8 AccurateRip CRC: E6F6B57B [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-3]
Re-rip Frame: 36228 (00:01:15.040) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 43466 (00:02:51.546) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 5)
Re-rip Frame: 43782 (00:02:55.760). Insecure (c2 dropped 25) [c2 best match]
Track 4: Ripped LBA 50510 to 66287 (3:30) in 0:16. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 04 - Walking to You.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 19) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 665E21E4 AccurateRip CRC: 202C5CA5 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-4]
Track 5: Ripped LBA 66287 to 82325 (3:33) in 0:38. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 05 - Get Me.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 18) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 5 Frames]
CRC32: 76F24045 AccurateRip CRC: 5E1F33C1 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-5]
Re-rip Frame: 70599 (00:00:57.493). Insecure (c2 dropped 33) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 71134 (00:01:04.626) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 71135 (00:01:04.640) matched 10 / 12 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 71414 (00:01:08.360). Insecure (c2 dropped 28) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 71415 (00:01:08.373). Insecure (c2 dropped 32) [c2 best match]
Track 6: Ripped LBA 82325 to 100770 (4:05) in 0:17. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 06 - Missing.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 19) [Pass 1]
CRC32: C6C24C9A AccurateRip CRC: F401160D [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-6]
Track 7: Ripped LBA 100770 to 119230 (4:06) in 0:16. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 07 - Two Star.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 18) [Pass 1]
CRC32: D33E0426 AccurateRip CRC: 50D5F7C5 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-7]
Track 8: Ripped LBA 119230 to 137222 (3:59) in 0:15. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 08 - We Walk the Same Line.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 18) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 4505FA10 AccurateRip CRC: EB4812C8 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-8]
Track 9: Ripped LBA 137222 to 155502 (4:03) in 0:14. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 09 - 25th December.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 18) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 706DD918 AccurateRip CRC: 71377937 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-9]
Track 10: Ripped LBA 155502 to 164792 (2:03) in 0:07. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Everything But the Girl\Amplified Heart\Everything But the Girl - 10 - Disenchanted.flac
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 18) [Pass 1]
CRC32: 556C357F AccurateRip CRC: FE09F1B9 [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-10]
--------------
10 Tracks Ripped Accurately
Now here's the interesting part. Using foobar2000's bit compare plugin, there are no differences between foobar2000 and EAC's rips of tracks 3 and 5.
All tracks decoded fine, no differences found.
Comparing:
"C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\03 - I Don't Understand Anything.flac"
"C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\foobar2000\03 - I Don't Understand Anything.flac"
No differences in decoded data found.
--------------
All tracks decoded fine, no differences found.
Comparing:
"C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac\05 - Get Me.flac"
"C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\foobar2000\05 - Get Me.flac"
No differences in decoded data found.
Of course there were differences with the Dbpoweramp rip.
In the future, I'll try other problem discs I have, as well as trying foobar2000's paranoid mode and and using C2 with EAC's secure mode. I hope this testing doesn't fry my drive. I have no idea how to replace a laptop optical drive.
As always kind feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.
While it is extremely difficult to draw any meaningful conclusions from one disc and one drive, your results definitely show the distinct advantage of using C2 pointers during re-reads when dealing with consistent errors.
However, when dealing with situations where C2 pointers either can't be or aren't being used, I would not always expect all three programs to give the same result, as their methods of re-reading and deciding on correct data are not the same, nor is the way in which each of them asks the drive to seek data.
When using C2 pointers with EAC, I wouldn't normally expect to see a difference when using a drive that reports them reliably, since they aren't used during re-reads. With a drive that doesn't report them reliably, I would normally expect to see fewer accurate rips when they're being used. IOW, the expectation is that EAC will not do any better when configured to make use of C2 pointers. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone interested enough in the program enough to become familiar with its settings. There can be surprises, however, since enabling this setting changes more than just asking the drive to return C2 error information. The amount of sectors read at a time changes, causing successive requests of new data to begin at different locations. This causes the areas where the stream is checked for synchronization to change as well. The setting even influences the way flushing is performed when it is enabled. It is entirely possible that using C2 pointers can make a positive difference in getting accurate rips, just not to the extent that it would if they were used during re-reads like they are with dBpoweramp.
I had a problem once with a song sounding like the CD was scratched while it wasn't at all.
No errors occured was the conclusion of foobar. I decided to put the CD into EAC's hands and guess what! It took 3 minutes for one single track to get the same conclusion!
1 CD with EAC: 30 minutes
1 CD witth foobar: 5 minutes
Even if EAC's extraction is theorically the best, I don't give a damn when it can't even detect an error huge like a house!
3 mins or 30 mins?
No errors occured was the conclusion of foobar. I decided to put the CD into EAC's hands and guess what! It took 3 minutes for one single track to get the same conclusion!
Unless you can demonstrate that you've configured EAC to work as efficiently as possible given your particular drive, you might be comparing apples and oranges.
Even if EAC's extraction is theorically the best
I'd challenge those who claim EAC's extraction is theoretically the best.
I don't give a damn when it can't even detect an error huge like a house!
I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at the ripping program since it's only part of the equation.
Does Foobar's ripper have to option to make use of C2 pointers, or does it merely re-read each sector a couple times? I don't remember seeing an option for this feature in the settings.
Currently, foobar2000 relies on consistent results between re-reads only.
I'm not sure what criteria it uses (eg: EAC will report an error if there aren't at least 8 matches out a set of 16 re-reads within the user-configurable number of sets, EAC will report an error; dBpoweramp requires 10 matches out of a user-configurable number of re-reads in order to report the rip as secure).
AccurateRip: Accurate (confidence 18) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 3 Frames] CRC32: 8B1263E8 AccurateRip CRC: E6F6B57B [DiscID: 010-000e10c1-00711278-8908950a-3]
Re-rip Frame: 36228 (00:01:15.040) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 43466 (00:02:51.546) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 5)
Re-rip Frame: 43782 (00:02:55.760). Insecure (c2 dropped 25) [c2 best match]
From the dBpoweramp Rip - interesting, here you have c2 pointers, effectively failing on one frame (25 re-rips, with c2 pointers indicating there is an error, where clearly there was not, hence the best match was then used), yet helping no-doubt on the other frames.
I read that thinking that of the 34 attempts, C2 dropped 25, leaving 9 that passed C2 which was not enough for the rip to be labeled secure.
I have to admit that some of your messages (especially 10 / 11) don't make perfect sense to me.
Yes you are right (I miss-read that 25 frames were being read as total), I will comment each:
Re-rip Frame: 36228 (00:01:15.040) matched 10 / 11 - here re-reading 11 frames, no c2 error flags
Re-rip Frame: 43466 (00:02:51.546) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 5) - here 16 frames are read, c2 highlighed 5 having errors, the c2 dropped are not shown in the x/x,
Re-rip Frame: 43782 (00:02:55.760). Insecure (c2 dropped 25) [c2 best match] - 34 frames are read, c2 highlights 25 as having error, the 7 frames without error match and are used
So, considering everything in this thread is there any reason why foobar2000 isn't listed in the secure ripping (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Secure_ripping) wiki article, especially considering that article's rather stern warning footnote (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Secure_ripping#Hydrogenaudio_User_Recommendations)?
Note: Any rippers not listed on this page are not considered "secure" and are therefore not recommended by the Hydrogenaudio community (i.e example such the Itunes Ripper). It is best to proceed with caution if one decides to use these, unless they are "frontends" for instance Grip is a cdparanoia frontend for Linux or they are considered "secure", but are not as popular and aren't listed on this wiki page.
Nope.
Unless you can demonstrate that you've configured EAC to work as efficiently as possible given your particular drive, you might be comparing apples and oranges.
There are both fruits
I just expected EAC to tell me that there were errors while it didn't. That's it.
I'd challenge those who claim EAC's extraction is theoretically the best.
Well I quite often read that! I'm not an EAC fan.
I wouldn't be so quick to point the finger at the ripping program since it's only part of the equation.
Considering my experience in ripping, extracting,... I'm not so quick.
EAC just ignored a huge error. So did foobar but it didn't take ages to do so!
That's all I'm saying.
As promised here are the test results using EAC secure with C2 and foobar2000 paranoid.
First the foobar2000 paranoid log. Checking with Fooaccrip, again tracks 3 and 5 do not verify with the addition of track 7.
3 out of 10 tracks converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,01"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 1, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,02"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 2, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,03"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 3, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 2 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,04"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 4, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,05"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 5, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 2 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 3 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,06"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 6, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,07"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 7, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 2 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,08"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 8, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,09"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 9, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://00A50E46,10"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 10, sample offset: 6, security: paranoid
Track converted successfully.
Here's the EAC secure with C2 log. Notice tracks 3 and 5 do not verify with Accuraterip.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 21. April 2009, 20:00
Everything But The Girl / Amplified Heart
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 3:14.05 | 0 | 14554
2 | 3:14.05 | 3:33.70 | 14555 | 30599
3 | 6:48.00 | 4:25.35 | 30600 | 50509
4 | 11:13.35 | 3:30.27 | 50510 | 66286
5 | 14:43.62 | 3:33.63 | 66287 | 82324
6 | 18:17.50 | 4:05.70 | 82325 | 100769
7 | 22:23.45 | 4:06.10 | 100770 | 119229
8 | 26:29.55 | 3:59.67 | 119230 | 137221
9 | 30:29.47 | 4:03.55 | 137222 | 155501
10 | 34:33.27 | 2:03.65 | 155502 | 164791
Track 1
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\01 - Rollercoaster.wav
Peak level 88.8 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC A714A435
Accurately ripped (confidence 22) [FE9B8357]
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\02 - Troubled Mind.wav
Peak level 91.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC CE79EF57
Accurately ripped (confidence 22) [4D16EAE4]
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\03 - I Don't Understand Anything.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 99.7 %
Copy CRC 614AAE00
Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 21) [E1A061EC], AccurateRip returned [E6F6B57B]
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\04 - Walking To You.wav
Peak level 70.5 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC 665E21E4
Accurately ripped (confidence 22) [202C5CA5]
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\05 - Get Me.wav
Peak level 70.1 %
Track quality 99.7 %
Copy CRC 788031F2
Cannot be verified as accurate (confidence 21) [3DB0491E], AccurateRip returned [5E1F33C1]
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\06 - Missing.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC C6C24C9A
Accurately ripped (confidence 22) [F401160D]
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\07 - Two Star.wav
Peak level 91.1 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC D33E0426
Accurately ripped (confidence 21) [50D5F7C5]
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\08 - We Walk The Same Line.wav
Peak level 99.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 4505FA10
Accurately ripped (confidence 21) [EB4812C8]
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\09 - 25th December.wav
Peak level 73.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 706DD918
Accurately ripped (confidence 21) [71377937]
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\temp\eac secure with c2\10 - Disenchanted.wav
Peak level 76.6 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 556C357F
Accurately ripped (confidence 21) [FE09F1B9]
Copy OK
8 track(s) accurately ripped
2 track(s) could not be verified as accurate
Some tracks could not be verified as accurate
No errors occurred
End of status report
And here are the MD5 checksums:
track 3 dbpoweramp - 7C0597A40CDD0C2B6E76D2D0A3E00F15
track 3 eac no c2 - 231C9E96B5FF43633D2DC9669D173070
track 3 eac with c2 - 231C9E96B5FF43633D2DC9669D173070
track 3 foo paranoid - 231C9E96B5FF43633D2DC9669D173070
track 3 foo standard – 231C9E96B5FF43633D2DC9669D173070
track 5 dbpoweramp - D280C5C65FB851E5E95DD8BD7CB78082
track 5 eac no c2 - 7B4167991D3268F4CC2FE1E59FD56A07
track 5 eac with c2 - DC0260635B753D184F5F7AA08B88AB87
track 5 foo paranoid - 18E60D341922A41359A79FEE2B732D2D
track 5 foo standard – 7B4167991D3268F4CC2FE1E59FD56A07
With this CD and with this drive, here are my additional conclusions:
1. foobar2000 paranoid is no better and sometimes is worse than standard.
2. EAC does not use C2 reliably, which is why I use T&C when using C2 or no C2 at all.
EAC just ignored a huge error. So did foobar but it didn't take ages to do so!
Neither ignored the error, your
drive returned the same bad data twice.
Regarding the speed, you could probably change your configuration to make it go faster.
2. EAC does not use C2 reliably
I see absolutely no basis to draw this conclusion. Not using C2 pointers during re-reads != not using C2 pointers reliably. If you used the word "effectively" then I wouldn't have had a problem.
EDIT: The issue with C2 pointers not being reliable is actually a drive-related problem which is capable of causing trouble for dBpoweramp as well as EAC, though with dBpoweramp it's only limited to instances where your drive fails to flag a consistent error.
I have disappointing results with foobar2000 with my 2nd test cd.
First the EAC secure no C2 log. Please note that track 19 had errors.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 22. April 2009, 21:39
Imago / Probably Not, But Most Definitely
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : No
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 3:12.06 | 0 | 14405
2 | 3:12.06 | 1:00.69 | 14406 | 18974
3 | 4:13.00 | 4:20.33 | 18975 | 38507
4 | 8:33.33 | 3:15.71 | 38508 | 53203
5 | 11:49.29 | 0:29.29 | 53204 | 55407
6 | 12:18.58 | 3:20.54 | 55408 | 70461
7 | 15:39.37 | 2:39.00 | 70462 | 82386
8 | 18:18.37 | 0:28.42 | 82387 | 84528
9 | 18:47.04 | 3:11.62 | 84529 | 98915
10 | 21:58.66 | 3:49.66 | 98916 | 116156
11 | 25:48.57 | 0:55.00 | 116157 | 120281
12 | 26:43.57 | 3:14.44 | 120282 | 134875
13 | 29:58.26 | 2:50.59 | 134876 | 147684
14 | 32:49.10 | 0:41.60 | 147685 | 150819
15 | 33:30.70 | 3:06.37 | 150820 | 164806
16 | 36:37.32 | 0:19.16 | 164807 | 166247
17 | 36:56.48 | 4:17.63 | 166248 | 185585
18 | 41:14.36 | 0:06.42 | 185586 | 186077
19 | 41:21.03 | 4:38.05 | 186078 | 206932
Track 1
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\01 - Pretty Me.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 764FB328
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\02 - Pauna.wav
Peak level 78.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC F969AE4F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\03 - Rain Song.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC C1988BC1
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\04 - Bathala.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 0D61EC3D
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\05 - The Box.wav
Peak level 57.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC BFAE3A5C
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\06 - Tugon.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC BBB7E080
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\07 - Hiwaga.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC AA2329D8
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\08 - On Shadows & Tendencies (Saliwan).wav
Peak level 81.7 %
Track quality 99.6 %
Copy CRC 2CFCE0EB
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\09 - Do.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 5F97A9C9
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\10 - Alay.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC 08172FD3
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 11
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\11 - Salitoo.wav
Peak level 80.5 %
Track quality 99.5 %
Copy CRC CA49E909
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 12
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\12 - Otherwise.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC A3BCAF83
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\13 - Idlip.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 2592E0FC
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 14
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\14 - Salitree.wav
Peak level 81.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 9D9F6087
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 15
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\15 - Unwed.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC EA19EE4A
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 16
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\16 - Wishlist.wav
Peak level 34.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 286F8809
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 17
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\17 - Laya.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.6 %
Copy CRC DD5A88DD
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 18
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\18 - Box Storage Directions.wav
Peak level 13.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 8E1FECEF
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 19
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\eac no c2\19 - Rain Song (remix).wav
Suspicious position 0:00:07
Peak level 67.3 %
Track quality 99.6 %
Copy CRC C6CC86A7
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy finished
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
There were errors
End of status report
Next the Dbpoweramp log.
dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:49 PM
Drive & Settings
----------------
Ripping with drive 'D: [TSSTcorp - CDDVDW TS-L632H ]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8
Extraction Log
--------------
Track 1: Ripped LBA 0 to 14406 (3:12) in 0:42. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 01 - Pretty Me.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 764FB328 AccurateRip CRC: B30E17ED [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-1]
Track 2: Ripped LBA 14406 to 18975 (1:00) in 0:10. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 02 - Pauna.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: F969AE4F AccurateRip CRC: D42B89B1 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-2]
Track 3: Ripped LBA 18975 to 38508 (4:20) in 0:44. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 03 - Rainsong.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: C1988BC1 AccurateRip CRC: 49E8E8E3 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-3]
Track 4: Ripped LBA 38508 to 53204 (3:15) in 0:30. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 04 - Bathala.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 0D61EC3D AccurateRip CRC: 4925C977 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-4]
Track 5: Ripped LBA 53204 to 55408 (0:29) in 0:04. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 05 - The Box.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: BFAE3A5C AccurateRip CRC: CC3A1F3C [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-5]
Track 6: Ripped LBA 55408 to 70462 (3:20) in 0:29. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 06 - Tugon.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: BBB7E080 AccurateRip CRC: A90FC20A [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-6]
Track 7: Ripped LBA 70462 to 82387 (2:39) in 0:22. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 07 - Hiwaga.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: AA2329D8 AccurateRip CRC: 930575D5 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-7]
Track 8: Ripped LBA 82387 to 84529 (0:28) in 0:03. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 08 - On Shadows & Tendecies (Saliwan).flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 2CFCE0EB AccurateRip CRC: 3841BC56 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-8]
Track 9: Ripped LBA 84529 to 98916 (3:11) in 0:25. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 09 - Do.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 5F97A9C9 AccurateRip CRC: 422DE6D6 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-9]
Track 10: Ripped LBA 98916 to 116157 (3:49) in 0:29. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 10 - Alay.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 08172FD3 AccurateRip CRC: 1A5F41CC [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-10]
Track 11: Ripped LBA 116157 to 120282 (0:55) in 0:06. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 11 - Salitoo.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: CA49E909 AccurateRip CRC: FDBEB4FA [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-11]
Track 12: Ripped LBA 120282 to 134876 (3:14) in 0:23. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 12 - Otherwise.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: A3BCAF83 AccurateRip CRC: 24BC54DA [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-12]
Track 13: Ripped LBA 134876 to 147685 (2:50) in 0:20. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 13 - Idlip.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 2592E0FC AccurateRip CRC: 5650D8A6 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-13]
Track 14: Ripped LBA 147685 to 150820 (0:41) in 0:04. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 14 - Salitree.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 9D9F6087 AccurateRip CRC: C3F734A8 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-14]
Track 15: Ripped LBA 150820 to 164807 (3:06) in 0:21. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 15 - Unwed.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: EA19EE4A AccurateRip CRC: D46EEC7C [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-15]
Track 16: Ripped LBA 164807 to 166248 (0:19) in 0:02. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 16 - Wishlist.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 286F8809 AccurateRip CRC: 1CF80A31 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-16]
Track 17: Ripped LBA 166248 to 185586 (4:17) in 0:28. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 17 - Laya.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: DD5A88DD AccurateRip CRC: ACCD5EAB [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-17]
Track 18: Ripped LBA 185586 to 186078 (0:06) in 0:00. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 18 - [Untitled].flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 8E1FECEF AccurateRip CRC: A854E63B [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-18]
Track 19: Ripped LBA 186078 to 206933 (4:38) in 0:29. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 19 - [Untitled].flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 1E89CCA8 AccurateRip CRC: 19AAD421 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-19]
--------------
19 Tracks Ripped Securely
Finally the foobar2000 log. Take note that foobar2000 had minor problems with tracks 7, 9, 11, 12, 17 and 19.
6 out of 19 tracks converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,01"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 1, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,02"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 2, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,03"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 3, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,04"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 4, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,05"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 5, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,06"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 6, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,07"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 7, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,08"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 8, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,09"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 9, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,10"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 10, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,11"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 11, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,12"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 12, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,13"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 13, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,14"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 14, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,15"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 15, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,16"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 16, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,17"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 17, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,18"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 18, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://019D3361,19"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 19, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 2 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Here are the MD5 checksums:
[!--sizeo:1--][span style=\"font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\"][!--/sizeo--]
7F26BA9DD5F575DB5C4CBA0DF91C1A22 7 eac no c2
7F26BA9DD5F575DB5C4CBA0DF91C1A22 7 foo standard
7F26BA9DD5F575DB5C4CBA0DF91C1A22 7 dbpoweramp
2AC41AC52C1220F8633174D07D29B910 9 eac no c2
0C27B4FA5F5868B2A17D8E57F3E98068 9 foo standard
2AC41AC52C1220F8633174D07D29B910 9 dbpoweramp
CC10DD5BF3A71D32D2E34553BD7153F2 11 eac no c2
9869C6AEE20F0D8E019D6875D102E90D 11 foo standard
CC10DD5BF3A71D32D2E34553BD7153F2 11 dbpoweramp
555EA678D2C8A2127653CAA1EB5F1252 12 eac no c2
555EA678D2C8A2127653CAA1EB5F1252 12 foo standard
555EA678D2C8A2127653CAA1EB5F1252 12 dbpoweramp
550CA64FD6F453B0B0013FB600F5AC87 17 eac no c2
8EA42B577B0FCDC9233D2135E369A270 17 foo standard
550CA64FD6F453B0B0013FB600F5AC87 17 dbpoweramp
281E3A16DDAD93CCB0D1014A15241DA4 19 eac no c2
E9473EDD7C946B34F6BEC71EAC12F4CE 19 foo standard
BCFCDEF1C6D16764D3828A11B7561486 19 dbpoweramp[/size]
The EAC rip matched the Dbpoweramp rip for all the tracks where it did not report any errors. Foobar2000 only matched 2 out of 6 tracks.
Previously with another cd, foobar2000 paranoid also failed to match both EAC and Dbpoweramp's rips.
Hopefully more people will submit their own tests. As for me, I'll be sticking with good old EAC.
Out of curiosity, what do you get with track 19 using EAC in burst mode w/test & copy?
...in secure mode w/C2 pointers w/test & copy?
...in secure mode w/drive configured as not having Accurate Stream?
Here's the EAC burst T&C log.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 23. April 2009, 2:04
Imago / Probably Not, But Most Definitely
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Burst
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 3:12.06 | 0 | 14405
2 | 3:12.06 | 1:00.69 | 14406 | 18974
3 | 4:13.00 | 4:20.33 | 18975 | 38507
4 | 8:33.33 | 3:15.71 | 38508 | 53203
5 | 11:49.29 | 0:29.29 | 53204 | 55407
6 | 12:18.58 | 3:20.54 | 55408 | 70461
7 | 15:39.37 | 2:39.00 | 70462 | 82386
8 | 18:18.37 | 0:28.42 | 82387 | 84528
9 | 18:47.04 | 3:11.62 | 84529 | 98915
10 | 21:58.66 | 3:49.66 | 98916 | 116156
11 | 25:48.57 | 0:55.00 | 116157 | 120281
12 | 26:43.57 | 3:14.44 | 120282 | 134875
13 | 29:58.26 | 2:50.59 | 134876 | 147684
14 | 32:49.10 | 0:41.60 | 147685 | 150819
15 | 33:30.70 | 3:06.37 | 150820 | 164806
16 | 36:37.32 | 0:19.16 | 164807 | 166247
17 | 36:56.48 | 4:17.63 | 166248 | 185585
18 | 41:14.36 | 0:06.42 | 185586 | 186077
19 | 41:21.03 | 4:38.05 | 186078 | 206932
Track 19
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\19 - Rain Song (remix).wav
Peak level 67.3 %
Test CRC C79B6DB4
Copy CRC A13A7F7F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
No errors occurred
End of status report
Here's the secure with C2 T&C log.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 23. April 2009, 2:07
Imago / Probably Not, But Most Definitely
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 3:12.06 | 0 | 14405
2 | 3:12.06 | 1:00.69 | 14406 | 18974
3 | 4:13.00 | 4:20.33 | 18975 | 38507
4 | 8:33.33 | 3:15.71 | 38508 | 53203
5 | 11:49.29 | 0:29.29 | 53204 | 55407
6 | 12:18.58 | 3:20.54 | 55408 | 70461
7 | 15:39.37 | 2:39.00 | 70462 | 82386
8 | 18:18.37 | 0:28.42 | 82387 | 84528
9 | 18:47.04 | 3:11.62 | 84529 | 98915
10 | 21:58.66 | 3:49.66 | 98916 | 116156
11 | 25:48.57 | 0:55.00 | 116157 | 120281
12 | 26:43.57 | 3:14.44 | 120282 | 134875
13 | 29:58.26 | 2:50.59 | 134876 | 147684
14 | 32:49.10 | 0:41.60 | 147685 | 150819
15 | 33:30.70 | 3:06.37 | 150820 | 164806
16 | 36:37.32 | 0:19.16 | 164807 | 166247
17 | 36:56.48 | 4:17.63 | 166248 | 185585
18 | 41:14.36 | 0:06.42 | 185586 | 186077
19 | 41:21.03 | 4:38.05 | 186078 | 206932
Track 19
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\probably not\more tests\19 - Rain Song (remix).wav
Suspicious position 0:00:07
Peak level 67.3 %
Track quality 99.4 %
Test CRC F4DBD1B8
Copy CRC B2B8B74F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy finished
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
There were errors
End of status report
And the MD5 checksums.
[!--sizeo:1--][span style=\"font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\"][!--/sizeo--]
7E01246433324F4E159E41362F5ABADC burst T&C
47056CC7FAB2F974D62C4AD9B1989AF8 secure with C2 T&C[/size]
The last request, secure no accurate stream, is that with C2?
Thanks for the data. This is very interesting since dBpoweramp appears not to have a problem with two consecutive burst rips of track 19. If you run the track again with dBpa, I assume you do get the same CRC?
EAC won't allow you to use C2 when it's configured not to rely upon your drive having the accurate stream feature, just as it won't allow you to uncheck the setting telling EAC that your drive caches.
BTW, you probably already know this but your md5 checksums are only for the "C" part of T&C.
Thanks greynol. I actually didn't know those 2 bits of information. Here's the second go with Dbpoweramp. This time the rip was inaccurate but the CRC matched.
dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:34 AM
Drive & Settings
----------------
Ripping with drive 'D: [TSSTcorp - CDDVDW TS-L632H ]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8
Extraction Log
--------------
Track 19: Ripped LBA 186078 to 206933 (4:38) in 0:32. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 19 - [Untitled].flac
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 2 Frames]
CRC32: 1E89CCA8 AccurateRip CRC: 19AAD421 [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-19]
Re-rip Frame: 186636 (00:00:07.440) matched 10 / 17 (c2 dropped 11)
Re-rip Frame: 186637 (00:00:07.453). Insecure (c2 dropped 33) [c2 best match]
--------------
1 Tracks Ripped Inaccurately
I ripped it for the 3rd time and I got a different CRC.
dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:40 AM
Drive & Settings
----------------
Ripping with drive 'D: [TSSTcorp - CDDVDW TS-L632H ]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8
Extraction Log
--------------
Track 19: Ripped LBA 186078 to 206933 (4:38) in 0:35. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Imago\Probably Not, But Most Definitely\Imago - 19 - [Untitled].flac
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 5 Frames]
CRC32: AB989229 AccurateRip CRC: 5F10A5CB [DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-19]
** Reached Maximum 1 Unrecoverable Frames For This Track
Re-rip Frame: 186627 (00:00:07.320) matched 10 / 13
Re-rip Frame: 186636 (00:00:07.440) matched 10 / 20 (c2 dropped 8)
Re-rip Frame: 186637 (00:00:07.453)
--------------
1 Tracks Ripped Inaccurately
EAC estimates the ripping time for track 19 is at least 30 minutes without accurate stream, so I canceled.
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 2 Frames]
CRC32: 1E89CCA8 AccurateRip CRC: 19AAD421
[DiscID: 019-001ffc8b-01bad9e8-db0ac713-19]
Re-rip Frame: 186636 (00:00:07.440) matched 10 / 17 (c2 dropped 11)
Re-rip Frame: 186637 (00:00:07.453). Insecure (c2 dropped 33) [c2 best match]
Even though the track was marked as insecure - it is not (as it matched a previous rip when no c2 errors we flagged), the reason it is marked as insecure is there are 34 re-reads, c2 pointers indicate errors on 33 of those, and the remaining one is used, but has to be marked as insecure because the secure ripping part needs 10 matches, even from c2 (which cannot always be trusted). If this disc was in accuraterip, and it verified then the above condition would become 'secure'.
I wanted to give foobar2000 another chance after the disappointing results from my last 2 test cds. On to the first test track. Here are the MD5 checksums.
A575A5A44B9EFE9A33F458EBD0B5BD5D Track 5 dbpoweramp, trial 1
A575A5A44B9EFE9A33F458EBD0B5BD5D Track 5 dbpoweramp, trial 2
72A88E51B893C51CAD61D5CD039AA381 Track 5 EAC burst T&C
F37EA024B0FD06C8EA01B31667179E31 Track 5 EAC secure with C2, T&C
08C1C7543AB140B5387C81937C6D0241 Track 5 EAC secure no c2
72A88E51B893C51CAD61D5CD039AA381 Track 5 foobar2000 standard, trial 1
A575A5A44B9EFE9A33F458EBD0B5BD5D Track 5 foobar2000 standard, trial 2The correct checksum is either A575A... or 72A88... Both dbpoweramp and foobar2000 got it right.
Next batch of checksums.
54BC1FCDBF7E9FBF7643B3D44821200F Track 12 dbpoweramp, trial 1
D41D8CD98F00B204E9800998ECF8427E Track 12 dbpoweramp, trial 2
94BA15AABCA96D978D61B5A009395A3A Track 12 EAC burst T&C
3DF03FB61EC71F6B2BD8EFF2BC46E3D3 Track 12 EAC secure with C2, T&C
3DF03FB61EC71F6B2BD8EFF2BC46E3D3 Track 12 EAC secure no c2
F7B4E66A4952FB118EE561F4B15B45EA Track 12 foobar2000 standard, trial 1
3DF03FB61EC71F6B2BD8EFF2BC46E3D3 Track 12 foobar2000 standard, trial 2The correct checksum is 3DF03... Only EAC got this right consistently. Foobar2000 was lucky once.
Here's the third test track.
796AEB52D74AF7BB564D4675AEA4E6DE Track 13 dbpoweramp, trial 1
796AEB52D74AF7BB564D4675AEA4E6DE Track 13 dbpoweramp, trial 2
07546D15658C3592B4A0C2DB7F9FC12F Track 13 EAC burst T&C
796AEB52D74AF7BB564D4675AEA4E6DE Track 13 EAC secure with C2, T&C
796AEB52D74AF7BB564D4675AEA4E6DE Track 13 EAC secure no c2
D3467D30471C462895C394F832D21939 Track 13 foobar2000 standard, trial 1
894504BA9F54DB7A08E449C6080982A6 Track 13 foobar2000 standard, trial 2Looks like the correct MD5 can only be 796AE... dbpoweramp and EAC got matching rips.
For the last track, all the rippers got it right.
8949D1954B67B6E529A9C3BD44C4B9DE Track 15 dbpoweramp, trial 1
8949D1954B67B6E529A9C3BD44C4B9DE Track 14 dbpoweramp, trial 2
8949D1954B67B6E529A9C3BD44C4B9DE Track 14 EAC burst T&C
8949D1954B67B6E529A9C3BD44C4B9DE Track 14 EAC secure with C2, T&C
8949D1954B67B6E529A9C3BD44C4B9DE Track 14 EAC secure no c2
8949D1954B67B6E529A9C3BD44C4B9DE Track 14 foobar2000 standard, trial 1
8949D1954B67B6E529A9C3BD44C4B9DE Track 14 foobar2000 standard, trial 2Here are the logs.
dbpoweramp, trial 1
dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, April 24, 2009 10:32 AM
Drive & Settings
----------------
Ripping with drive 'D: [TSSTcorp - CDDVDW TS-L632H ]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8
Extraction Log
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Track 5: Ripped LBA 80698 to 91925 (2:29) in 0:22. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\05 Luscious Jackson - Roses Fade.flac
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 3 Frames]
CRC32: 4567844F AccurateRip CRC: 95A2C607 [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-5]
Re-rip Frame: 81527 (00:00:11.053) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 5)
Re-rip Frame: 81554 (00:00:11.413) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 83831 (00:00:41.773) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 6)
Track 12: Ripped LBA 250410 to 278203 (6:10) in 0:38. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\12 Dreadzone - A Dream Within a Dream.flac
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 6 Frames]
CRC32: 7BF348D6 AccurateRip CRC: 8D047D39 [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-12]
Re-rip Frame: 256771 (00:01:24.813) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 7)
Re-rip Frame: 257579 (00:01:35.586) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 16)
Re-rip Frame: 257580 (00:01:35.600) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 12)
Re-rip Frame: 261243 (00:02:24.440) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 9)
Re-rip Frame: 264084 (00:03:02.320) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 264085 (00:03:02.333) matched 10 / 11
Track 13: Ripped LBA 278203 to 301075 (5:04) in 0:31. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\13 Duncan Sheik - In the Absence of Sun.flac
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 8 Frames]
CRC32: 890AB7E2 AccurateRip CRC: 775E0F5E [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-13]
Re-rip Frame: 279510 (00:00:17.426) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 279917 (00:00:22.853) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 280589 (00:00:31.813) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 280590 (00:00:31.826) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 3)
Re-rip Frame: 293177 (00:03:19.653) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 293178 (00:03:19.666) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 2)
Re-rip Frame: 293467 (00:03:23.520) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 6)
Re-rip Frame: 293468 (00:03:23.533) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 11)
Track 14: Ripped LBA 301075 to 320413 (4:17) in 0:23. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\14 Everything But the Girl - Before Today.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 636E095C AccurateRip CRC: 133C77B6 [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-14]
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4 Tracks Ripped: 1 Secure, 3 Secure (Warning)
dbpoweramp, trial 2
dBpoweramp Release 13.2 Digital Audio Extraction Log from Friday, April 24, 2009 2:21 PM
Drive & Settings
----------------
Ripping with drive 'D: [TSSTcorp - CDDVDW TS-L632H ]', Drive offset: 6, Overread Lead-in/out: No
AccurateRip: Active, Using C2: Yes, Cache: None, FUA Cache Invalidate: No
Pass 1 Drive Speed: Max, Pass 2 Drive Speed: Max
Ultra:: Vary Drive Speed: No, Min Passes: 1, Max Passes: 2, Finish After Clean Passes: 1
Bad Sector Re-rip:: Drive Speed: Max, Maximum Re-reads: 34
Encoder: FLAC -compression-level-8
Extraction Log
--------------
Track 5: Ripped LBA 80698 to 91925 (2:29) in 0:22. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\05 Luscious Jackson - Roses Fade.flac
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 2 Frames]
CRC32: 4567844F AccurateRip CRC: 95A2C607 [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-5]
Re-rip Frame: 81499 (00:00:10.680) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 4)
Re-rip Frame: 81500 (00:00:10.693) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 6)
Track 12: Ripped LBA 250410 to 278203 (6:10) in 0:38. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\12 Dreadzone - A Dream Within a Dream.flac
Insecure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 2 Frames]
CRC32: 7BF348D6 AccurateRip CRC: 8D047D39 [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-12]
Re-rip Frame: 257579 (00:01:35.586). Insecure (c2 dropped 29) [c2 best match]
Re-rip Frame: 257580 (00:01:35.600). Insecure (c2 dropped 28) [c2 best match]
Track 13: Ripped LBA 278203 to 301075 (5:04) in 0:29. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\13 Duncan Sheik - In the Absence of Sun.flac
Secure (Warning) [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1, Re-Rip 2 Frames]
CRC32: 890AB7E2 AccurateRip CRC: 775E0F5E [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-13]
Re-rip Frame: 280590 (00:00:31.826) matched 10 / 11
Re-rip Frame: 293467 (00:03:23.520) matched 10 / 11 (c2 dropped 1)
Track 14: Ripped LBA 301075 to 320413 (4:17) in 0:23. Filename: C:\Users\ac25\Music\LOSSLESS\Soundtrack\The Saint\14 Everything But the Girl - Before Today.flac
Secure [Pass 1, Ultra 1 to 1]
CRC32: 636E095C AccurateRip CRC: 133C77B6 [DiscID: 014-00241bd0-018636aa-ae10b00e-14]
--------------
4 Tracks Ripped: 1 Secure, 2 Secure (Warning), 1 Inaccurate
EAC burst T&C
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 24. April 2009, 10:48
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Burst
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 4:32.40 | 0 | 20439
2 | 4:32.40 | 3:54.15 | 20440 | 38004
3 | 8:26.55 | 5:31.70 | 38005 | 62899
4 | 13:58.50 | 3:57.23 | 62900 | 80697
5 | 17:55.73 | 2:29.52 | 80698 | 91924
6 | 20:25.50 | 7:01.00 | 91925 | 123499
7 | 27:26.50 | 9:37.63 | 123500 | 166837
8 | 37:04.38 | 4:15.50 | 166838 | 186012
9 | 41:20.13 | 5:27.45 | 186013 | 210582
10 | 46:47.58 | 5:31.05 | 210583 | 235412
11 | 52:18.63 | 3:19.72 | 235413 | 250409
12 | 55:38.60 | 6:10.43 | 250410 | 278202
13 | 61:49.28 | 5:04.72 | 278203 | 301074
14 | 66:54.25 | 4:17.63 | 301075 | 320412
Track 5
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac burst t&c\05 - Track05.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Test CRC 5E2E0950
Copy CRC 718FD785
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 12
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac burst t&c\12 - Track12.wav
Peak level 99.5 %
Test CRC B13EF047
Copy CRC D33B4987
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac burst t&c\13 - Track13.wav
Peak level 99.1 %
Test CRC A2B713D6
Copy CRC 36D5C6AA
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 14
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac burst t&c\14 - Track14.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Test CRC 636E095C
Copy CRC 636E095C
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
No errors occurred
End of status report
EAC secure with C2, T&C
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 24. April 2009, 10:54
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 4:32.40 | 0 | 20439
2 | 4:32.40 | 3:54.15 | 20440 | 38004
3 | 8:26.55 | 5:31.70 | 38005 | 62899
4 | 13:58.50 | 3:57.23 | 62900 | 80697
5 | 17:55.73 | 2:29.52 | 80698 | 91924
6 | 20:25.50 | 7:01.00 | 91925 | 123499
7 | 27:26.50 | 9:37.63 | 123500 | 166837
8 | 37:04.38 | 4:15.50 | 166838 | 186012
9 | 41:20.13 | 5:27.45 | 186013 | 210582
10 | 46:47.58 | 5:31.05 | 210583 | 235412
11 | 52:18.63 | 3:19.72 | 235413 | 250409
12 | 55:38.60 | 6:10.43 | 250410 | 278202
13 | 61:49.28 | 5:04.72 | 278203 | 301074
14 | 66:54.25 | 4:17.63 | 301075 | 320412
Track 5
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac c2 t&c\05 - Track05.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Test CRC 238F94FD
Copy CRC 238F94FD
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 12
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac c2 t&c\12 - Track12.wav
Peak level 99.5 %
Track quality 99.7 %
Test CRC F3F8428A
Copy CRC 9ADB0B9D
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac c2 t&c\13 - Track13.wav
Peak level 99.1 %
Track quality 99.7 %
Test CRC 2FA779A5
Copy CRC 890AB7E2
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 14
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\eac c2 t&c\14 - Track14.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 636E095C
Copy CRC 636E095C
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
No errors occurred
End of status report
EAC secure no c2
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 24. April 2009, 11:00
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : No
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:\Program Files\encoders\flac-1.2.1b\flac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 4:32.40 | 0 | 20439
2 | 4:32.40 | 3:54.15 | 20440 | 38004
3 | 8:26.55 | 5:31.70 | 38005 | 62899
4 | 13:58.50 | 3:57.23 | 62900 | 80697
5 | 17:55.73 | 2:29.52 | 80698 | 91924
6 | 20:25.50 | 7:01.00 | 91925 | 123499
7 | 27:26.50 | 9:37.63 | 123500 | 166837
8 | 37:04.38 | 4:15.50 | 166838 | 186012
9 | 41:20.13 | 5:27.45 | 186013 | 210582
10 | 46:47.58 | 5:31.05 | 210583 | 235412
11 | 52:18.63 | 3:19.72 | 235413 | 250409
12 | 55:38.60 | 6:10.43 | 250410 | 278202
13 | 61:49.28 | 5:04.72 | 278203 | 301074
14 | 66:54.25 | 4:17.63 | 301075 | 320412
Track 5
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\05 - Track05.wav
Suspicious position 0:00:11
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.5 %
Copy CRC 47005CF8
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy finished
Track 12
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\12 - Track12.wav
Peak level 99.5 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC 9ADB0B9D
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\13 - Track13.wav
Peak level 99.1 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC 890AB7E2
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 14
Filename C:\Users\ac25\Desktop\testing\Soundtrack\14 - Track14.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 636E095C
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
There were errors
End of status report
foobar2000 standard, trial 1
3 out of 4 tracks converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,05"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 5, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 2 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,12"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 12, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,13"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 13, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 3 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,14"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 14, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
foobar2000 standard, trial 2
2 out of 4 tracks converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,05"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 5, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,12"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 12, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,13"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 13, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 2 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Secure mode: CRC mismatch, retrying.
Secure mode: match found after 1 attempts.
Track converted with minor problems.
Source: "cdda://01C1A65B,14"
Audio CD extraction setup: drive: "CDDVDW TS-L632H ", track: 14, sample offset: 6, security: standard
Track converted successfully.
One thing to point out that is just as important as who got the rips right the most. While dbpoweramp did not get track 7 right, it still reported a warning. That's still secure for me. If the program can't get a perfect rip, I expect it to tell me. Same thing for EAC on track 5.
As for foobar2000, while it got the least number of matching rips with my 3 test cds. It was still able to report "minor problems" that turn out to be non-matching rips.
My advice to everyone is to use whichever of the 3 rippers you're comfortable with. Just keep an eye on the logs. dbpoweramp, EAC secure no C2, and foobar2000 standard will give you perfect rips if there are no warnings, suspicious positions or minor errors.
If your ripper of choice, doesn't get a rip without errors, try the other 2.
Nice work, yet again.
It seems to be that foobar2000's minor problem message is the same as EAC giving a track quality of less than 100% (not including the annoying re-reads that occasionally occur at the end of a track for seemingly no good reason).
A couple of points:
Regarding warnings, suspicious positions, etc., their absence is no guarantee that the track is free from errors. I would refrain from suggesting that they are. I feel very comfortable in saying that with EAC, a lack of a suspicious position is practically meaningless, especially if you have the error recovery quality set to high.
Consistency between ripping programs may be stronger than consistency with one ripping program, but it's far from a guarantee of accuracy. Your first example definitely shows that since you get consistency with two CRCs. For all you know, the correct rip might actually be something else. You're better off performing a second rip with a drive that uses a significantly different chipset for comparison.
EDIT: You should really calculate a 32-bit CRC for the PCM data instead of an md5 checksum so that you can give the EAC test pass meaning. Otherwise you should be conducting two separate rips like you are with dbpa and fb2k rather than using test and copy.
I finally found some time to have a 2nd trial for EAC burst, secure with C2 and secure no C2.
Logs first starting with burst.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 28. April 2009, 3:36
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Burst
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:Program Filesencodersflac-1.2.1bflac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 4:32.40 | 0 | 20439
2 | 4:32.40 | 3:54.15 | 20440 | 38004
3 | 8:26.55 | 5:31.70 | 38005 | 62899
4 | 13:58.50 | 3:57.23 | 62900 | 80697
5 | 17:55.73 | 2:29.52 | 80698 | 91924
6 | 20:25.50 | 7:01.00 | 91925 | 123499
7 | 27:26.50 | 9:37.63 | 123500 | 166837
8 | 37:04.38 | 4:15.50 | 166838 | 186012
9 | 41:20.13 | 5:27.45 | 186013 | 210582
10 | 46:47.58 | 5:31.05 | 210583 | 235412
11 | 52:18.63 | 3:19.72 | 235413 | 250409
12 | 55:38.60 | 6:10.43 | 250410 | 278202
13 | 61:49.28 | 5:04.72 | 278203 | 301074
14 | 66:54.25 | 4:17.63 | 301075 | 320412
Track 5
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac burst t2\05 - Track05.wav
Timing problem 0:00:33
Peak level 100.0 %
Copy CRC F3C24B88
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy finished
Track 12
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac burst t212 - Track12.wav
Peak level 99.5 %
Copy CRC 9ADB0B9D
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac burst t213 - Track13.wav
Peak level 99.1 %
Copy CRC 890AB7E2
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
No errors occurred
End of status report
Next is secure with C2.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 28. April 2009, 3:39
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : Yes
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:Program Filesencodersflac-1.2.1bflac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 4:32.40 | 0 | 20439
2 | 4:32.40 | 3:54.15 | 20440 | 38004
3 | 8:26.55 | 5:31.70 | 38005 | 62899
4 | 13:58.50 | 3:57.23 | 62900 | 80697
5 | 17:55.73 | 2:29.52 | 80698 | 91924
6 | 20:25.50 | 7:01.00 | 91925 | 123499
7 | 27:26.50 | 9:37.63 | 123500 | 166837
8 | 37:04.38 | 4:15.50 | 166838 | 186012
9 | 41:20.13 | 5:27.45 | 186013 | 210582
10 | 46:47.58 | 5:31.05 | 210583 | 235412
11 | 52:18.63 | 3:19.72 | 235413 | 250409
12 | 55:38.60 | 6:10.43 | 250410 | 278202
13 | 61:49.28 | 5:04.72 | 278203 | 301074
14 | 66:54.25 | 4:17.63 | 301075 | 320412
Track 5
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac c2 t2\05 - Track05.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.5 %
Copy CRC 718FD785
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 12
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac c2 t212 - Track12.wav
Peak level 99.5 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 83B8972F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac c2 t213 - Track13.wav
Peak level 99.1 %
Track quality 99.6 %
Copy CRC 901C2D9F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
No errors occurred
End of status report
Here's secure no C2.
Exact Audio Copy V0.99 prebeta 4 from 23. January 2008
EAC extraction logfile from 28. April 2009, 3:44
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : TSSTcorpCDDVDW TS-L632H Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure
Utilize accurate stream : Yes
Defeat audio cache : No
Make use of C2 pointers : No
Read offset correction : 6
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Null samples used in CRC calculations : Yes
Used interface : Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Gap handling : Not detected, thus appended to previous track
Used output format : User Defined Encoder
Selected bitrate : 768 kBit/s
Quality : High
Add ID3 tag : No
Command line compressor : C:Program Filesencodersflac-1.2.1bflac.exe
Additional command line options : -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%g" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%n" -T "genre=%m" -8 %s
TOC of the extracted CD
Track | Start | Length | Start sector | End sector
---------------------------------------------------------
1 | 0:00.00 | 4:32.40 | 0 | 20439
2 | 4:32.40 | 3:54.15 | 20440 | 38004
3 | 8:26.55 | 5:31.70 | 38005 | 62899
4 | 13:58.50 | 3:57.23 | 62900 | 80697
5 | 17:55.73 | 2:29.52 | 80698 | 91924
6 | 20:25.50 | 7:01.00 | 91925 | 123499
7 | 27:26.50 | 9:37.63 | 123500 | 166837
8 | 37:04.38 | 4:15.50 | 166838 | 186012
9 | 41:20.13 | 5:27.45 | 186013 | 210582
10 | 46:47.58 | 5:31.05 | 210583 | 235412
11 | 52:18.63 | 3:19.72 | 235413 | 250409
12 | 55:38.60 | 6:10.43 | 250410 | 278202
13 | 61:49.28 | 5:04.72 | 278203 | 301074
14 | 66:54.25 | 4:17.63 | 301075 | 320412
Track 5
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac no c2 t2\05 - Track05.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.7 %
Copy CRC 4567844F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 12
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac no c2 t212 - Track12.wav
Peak level 99.5 %
Track quality 99.7 %
Copy CRC 9ADB0B9D
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
Track 13
Filename C:Usersac25DesktoptestingSoundtrackeac no c2 t213 - Track13.wav
Peak level 99.1 %
Track quality 99.8 %
Copy CRC E5D5B04F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK
None of the tracks are present in the AccurateRip database
No errors occurred
End of status report
On to the MD5s. The rips in bold do not match the others.
A575A5A44B9EFE9A33F458EBD0B5BD5D Track 5 dbpoweramp, trial 1
A575A5A44B9EFE9A33F458EBD0B5BD5D Track 5 dbpoweramp, trial 2
72A88E51B893C51CAD61D5CD039AA381 Track 5 EAC burst T&C
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Hi everyone. I just downgraded to a netbook. For my ripping needs, I bought an external DVD burner. It's a TSSTcorp - CDDVDW SE-S224Q.
I tested it with the same CDs as before. Complete and more organized test results on the previous drive are here (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=71770).
Here are the results for the new drive. Rips verified by Accuraterip are in blue. Rips with matches are in green. Rips with no matches but errors detected are in yellow. Logs are here (http://www.filefactory.com/file/ahe62a3/n/tests_zip).
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I can't believe I was ripping the same CDs. EAC in all 3 modes and Dbpoweramp either had Accuraterip verification or matching MD5s with another rip.
foobar2000 had better results than before but still is inferior to EAC or dbpoweramp.
When I developing R12, I had a huge range of drives to develop with..with good drives (such as PX-230a and its ilk) there was little the ripping program could do to alter the result (note this is not detecting failed rips), but the re-try to recover an error - almost always never did, in that the drive had read as good as it could first go. Needless to say the poor drives were used most to develop with, as these would have errors and recover from errors all the time.
On a brand new CD (no scratch then) is there any reason to use EAC rather than foobar (or foobar rather than EAC ) ?
I intend on ripping all my CDs and I would like to do it well (and just once).
(Considering I don't have a "warrior burner", it's a slimtype DVD A DS8A3S - offset +6)
Thank you
Unless you want HTOA (if our drive can extract it), or any non-audio information (non-01 index locations, UPC/ISRC, CD-TEXT or pre-emphasis), then the answer is no.
Thank you. (If I want "accurate rip" the answer is yes I guess!)
I don't know if foobar2000 now integrates AR into the ripping process, but it can after the fact (like CUETools, for example).
On a brand new CD (no scratch then) is there any reason to use EAC rather than foobar (or foobar rather than EAC ) ?
You cannot trust a scratchless CD to be perfect. I have ripped a few thousand CDs and there are lots of brand new discs with various errors in the pressing. I would make the guess that some instances of a "1" or "0" showing up as a physical ".5" could maybe be better read with one ripper than another. However, AccurateRip results may as well be just a "majority vote" for a particular ripping software.
Also, as greynol hints: you might encounter one of these pesky CDs with pre-emphasis. They must be processed in order to sound right, and in the very least you want them flagged.
I would make the guess that some instances of a "1" or "0" showing up as a physical ".5" could maybe be better read with one ripper than another.
No, it really doesn't work this way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-to-fourteen_modulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-to-fourteen_modulation)
However, AccurateRip results may as well be just a "majority vote" for a particular ripping software.
This is only just one part of the equation. If that were all it was then I wouldn't trust it for the life of me. Thankfully AccurateRip isn't anywhere near as simple as you're characterizing it.
I did a test rip of a known problem CD in foobar2000, EAC and dBpoweramp (v13.5) to see how the programs compared. These are the settings I used:
EAC & dBpoweramp
Burst Mode/Test & Copy & Secure Mode (unlimited speed)
foobar2000
Standard & Paranoid Mode (unlimited speed)
The results? In all programs, the non-secure modes clearly showed tracks on the CD that were okay & with problems. But while EAC and dBpoweramp were able to correct the errors and produce perfect rips of those tracks in their secure modes on the first try, foobar2000 couldn't even come close, even after re-recording the problem tracks over & over again numerous times. So while foobar2000 is pretty good at everything else, I don't think they're even in the same room that EAC and dBpoweramp are in when it comes to ripping tracks off of a CD. I couldn't recommend it to anybody as a secure ripper.
I wouldn't go so far as to make recommendations based on the results of one problematic CD. I assume you tested this lone CD with just one drive as well?
My own results with a badly scratched copy of Rage Against the Machine's self-titled cd.
This CD gives cd players a lot of trouble, on some tracks I have to stop it or it will just get stuck in the middle of a song.
Foobar:
Default settings.
I noticed that there was a half-second of silence or static during the first five seconds of every track. On the final track, there was some clipping near the end. Other than that, no problems. Definitely listenable, fast too, and I would upload this copy to a torrent site if there were no other lossless copies.
EAC Secure mode:
Secure mode, error correction set to full.
Wouldn't rip any track beyond 16 seconds. Read error, sync error messages. FAIL.
EAC Paranoid mode:
Don't normally use this, but I'll try it for this problem cd.
Turned off skip extraction for read/sync errors so that it would actually rip it without bitching.
Started ripping, came back 2 minutes later, it was at 1.5% of the first song.
Ridiculous.
Tried ripping with foobar again, this time direct to FLAC Level 8 instead of Wav. Two minutes later, 4/10 tracks completed.
EAC might be good for some CDs, but in this case Foobar's ripper beat it. It didn't complain, my cd drive wasn't making evil noises like it does with EAC, and I got great rips as opposed to no rips. It surprised me too.
Will try with another CD to see if its just a fluke, but I'm starting to think Foobar is the ultimate all-in-one. Ripping, burning, playing FLAC natively, keeps tags when converting and converts fast, has sick visualizers and skins, totally customizable. Thinking about removing EAC...