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Lossy Audio Compression => Other Lossy Codecs => Topic started by: QuantumKnot on 2003-07-29 12:02:55

Title: A newbie question about VQF
Post by: QuantumKnot on 2003-07-29 12:02:55
This seems to be one of the few coders which I've never tried before.  So I decided to give it an eval before it became too outdated to be played.

Anyway, just from informal listening, it seems to sound quite nice at 80 kbps.  So I was wondering how VQF compares with coders like Ogg Vorbis, AAC, MP3Pro, etc.  I mean, neglecting its lack of success, how does it compare with the other coders at this bitrate?
Title: A newbie question about VQF
Post by: Dologan on 2003-07-29 13:01:17
Pretty badly, as far as I have know. In  my personal experience I have found it to be quite worse than Ogg and so far HE-AAC, even at higher bitrates than both of them. However, I don´t find the sound of it too unpleasant, at least not on the type of music I tested encoding with it (New Age, soft pop/rock) a couple years ago. It even sounded subjectively better than some MP3@128 I have heard.
Title: A newbie question about VQF
Post by: AstralStorm on 2003-07-29 14:43:06
It has a large tendency to muffle sharp attacks, even more than MP3.
Try it with any metal sample and you'll see.
Title: A newbie question about VQF
Post by: schlauf on 2003-08-30 14:15:15
AFAIR there were some rumours about something like VQF revisited, announced for this or the upcoming year with a whole bunch of improvements which would make it at least competititve to present audio codecs ... anybody got information about that?
Title: A newbie question about VQF
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-08-30 15:05:58
Well, I doubt NTT is planning to "revisit" VQF, and much less Yamaha.

That leaves us with Ahead, that is the third company that owns the VQF sources.

Hey, Menno, do you know if Ahead plans to revamp VQF?

Anyway, Ahead already "improved" VQF by allowing bitrates up to 192kbps (the former limit was 96kbps). But I hadly consider that revisiting.

IMO, it's not wise to revisit VQF. The format is mostly forgotten now. The time that would be wasted trying to improve it would be better spent tuning a modern encoder, like AAC or Vorbis. Besides, in order to make it competitive, nearly everything would need to be redeveloped, then it wouldn't even make sense calling it VQF anymore.
Title: A newbie question about VQF
Post by: yourtallness on 2003-08-31 09:41:10
The idea behind vqf sound interesting though...

http://www.mp3-tech.org/vqf.html (http://www.mp3-tech.org/vqf.html)
Title: A newbie question about VQF
Post by: AstralStorm on 2003-08-31 11:00:38
MPEG4 allows modified TwinVQ I think.