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Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: amano on 2003-06-12 20:31:08
EDIT2: as it turned out, this was A LEAKED BETA. Sorry for promoting betas, but I got the information on the winamp forums and just wanted to share it. just wait for the final, thanks
amano


Winamp version 2.92 is out. you can find it  - up to now - only on Winamp Heaven ( http://artoo.dyndns.org/ (http://artoo.dyndns.org/) ), not on the official site.

I quote: "Extra special superduper thanks to Justin Frankel & Mouse for Winamp 2.92"

Changelog:

Winamp 2.92:
* startup with hung winamp process in background fixed
* CD ripping support in media library (with OGG Vorbis encoding support)
* Preliminary AAC playback support added to in_mp3.dll
* media library bugfixes and improvements (listener count in internet *, etc)
* ryan fixed shuffle again
* minibrowser ctrl+l fix.
* nsv: subtitle bugfixes, more buffering options, shoutcast metadata support,
      better invalid bitstream handling, better display options, new ASYN aux
      chunk handling.
* nsv: support for new extended TOC with frame-accurate seeking
* video: overlay fixes on 556 and other unusual modes, drag&drop URL
        to video window now works. Subtitle fixes.
* cdda: bugfixes
* AVS evallib | and & operator fixes
* in_vorbis fixes

Hmm. CD ripping support is included in the media library. just click there on the Devices List and right click on a song. nasty shuffle bug is fixed, too.


EDIT: This isn't an official version, and it isn't downloadable at nullsoft yet. so be careful, some changes for the official versions might happen.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Xenion on 2003-06-12 20:34:59
hm http://www.wayne-thepic.de.vu/ (http://www.wayne-thepic.de.vu/) 
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Tripwire on 2003-06-12 20:42:20
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* Preliminary AAC playback support added to in_mp3.dll


Hm.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-06-12 21:01:45
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* Preliminary AAC playback support added to in_mp3.dll

"Nullsoft knows what's good ™"
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: amano on 2003-06-12 21:33:14
the changelog is not quite correct. no changes have been done to in_vorbis.dll. it's still at ver. 1.33.

EDIT: Maybe (probably) in_vorbis 1.34 will be included with winamp 2.92 final, when it hits the nullsoft servers. there is a bug in it that is hard to fix without the help of Peter Pawlowsky.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Sebastian Mares on 2003-06-13 07:41:39
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the changelog is not quite correct. no changes have been done to ín_vorbis.dll. it's still at ver. 1.33.

There are 160 859 changes.

ss
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Mgz on 2003-06-13 08:29:38
The final version that Justin worked on it  :'(


BTW I can't go to http://artoo.dyndns.org/ (http://artoo.dyndns.org/) 
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: SNYder on 2003-06-13 08:39:26
Hmmm, I was able to get in less then 5 minutes ago but I didn't download it, and now that I try to go download it it i can't get in.

Maybe AOL found out they put up a version that Justin hadn't passed by them first and canned it!  Ofcource, this could just be my pessamistic mind talking.

Anyone download it already who wants to host it tempararily for those who can't get into Winamp Heaven?
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Cobra on 2003-06-13 08:41:17
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* Preliminary AAC playback support added to in_mp3.dll

"Nullsoft knows what's good ™" 

You are right! Ogg Vorbis support for over year!
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Mgz on 2003-06-13 08:46:34
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Hmmm, I was able to get in less then 5 minutes ago but I didn't download it, and now that I try to go download it it i can't get in. 

Maybe AOL found out they put up a version that Justin hadn't passed by them first and canned it!    Ofcource, this could just be my pessamistic mind talking.

Anyone download it already who wants to host it tempararily for those who can't get into Winamp Heaven?

GOOGLE RULEZ 


I found a new??? mirror


here http://jr8.sytes.net/ (http://jr8.sytes.net/)    or http://winampheaven.net/ (http://winampheaven.net/)
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: SNYder on 2003-06-13 08:51:00
i remembered the link http://www.winampheaven.net (http://www.winampheaven.net) just before you posted.  2.92 is up and running... WOOOO!!!

[edit]  oo this is sexy 
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: PoisonDan on 2003-06-13 09:22:20
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* Preliminary AAC playback support added to in_mp3.dll

"Nullsoft knows what's good ™" 

You are right! Ogg Vorbis support for over year!

Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Sebastian Mares on 2003-06-13 10:10:16
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The final version that Justin worked on it  :'(

Huh?
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: AgentMil on 2003-06-13 10:15:41
He parted ways with evil giant AOL which owns Nullsoft...

On a side note is AOL Broadband worth getting? Its just launched its service here in Australia and it looks very very competitive. But then we all know how good AOL has been as an ISP

Laters
AgentMil
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Sawg on 2003-06-13 10:32:37
He is still there.  The AP storie took MAJOR liberties from his blog entry.  Slashdor flat out got it wrong.

The fixed in_vorbis 1.34 *should* be in 2.92 when it is offically released by Nullsoft.  It is currnenlty available for testing now.  Winamp Forums Post (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=976781#post976781).
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: ilikedirtthe2nd on 2003-06-13 10:35:06
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The final version that Justin worked on it  :'(

Huh?

see this (german) artice for some info:

http://www.mpex.net/news/archiv/00439.html (http://www.mpex.net/news/archiv/00439.html)

regards; ilikedirt
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Linkin on 2003-06-13 11:18:36
I think it is a good idea to continue working on winamp 2, because winamp 3 is shit!
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: westgroveg on 2003-06-13 12:56:55
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I think it is a good idea to continue working on winamp 2, because winamp 3 is shit!

I like WA3 just that it's too buggy
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Liquid_Predator on 2003-06-13 13:11:31
What is the memory usage? I like Winamp 2.81 becouse it uses less than 5MB and is very fast.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: amano on 2003-06-13 17:33:45
without installing video support and library, memory usage should be the same.

now it seems that all winamp heaven mirrors are down. most probably due to bandwith problems.

all want the sexy new winamp.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-06-13 17:46:10
Anyone wanting Winamp 2.92 Full PM me. I won't post the link here because I don't want to ruin my server either.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Garf on 2003-06-13 17:50:36
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What is the memory usage? I like Winamp 2.81 becouse it uses less than 5MB and is very fast.

I couldn't resist. FB2K uses <2M
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Surge on 2003-06-13 17:58:18
All servers are quite busy, so I decided to share my copy here:

ed2k://|file|winamp292_full.exe|2445704|6D76E4B6FEAE8E0E0CA058494139303A|/

(in case you don't know that's eDonkey network, however it is better to use eMule client (current version 0.29a))

also 5 vs 2mb... Do you care? 512Mb DDR333 costs $50 USD (anyway here in Canada). Even if it took 128mb it is not a big deal, the main thing it should load faster and f2k is "still" faster, but as it gets more "features" I think it will be "comparable" to winamp.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: amano on 2003-06-13 18:04:30
wow, surge is a tough man. to state things like that in the foobar-land.

ooo,
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-06-13 18:10:34
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wow, surge is a tough man. to state things like that in the foobar-land.

I hope he has an asbestos suit.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Cobra on 2003-06-13 18:17:31
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Here is v1.34:

http://firehose.net/~christophe/in_vorbis.dll (http://firehose.net/~christophe/in_vorbis.dll)

The tag writing is fixed on all the OGG files I've tried it on. Sometimes it's even gonna make the ogg files SMALLER. That's because it re-paginates the ogg stream in a more efficient way.

So test it and report back. AND QUIT WHINING 

-Christophe


Can FB2k also make Ogg Vorbis files smaller?
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Garf on 2003-06-13 18:34:52
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Here is v1.34:

http://firehose.net/~christophe/in_vorbis.dll (http://firehose.net/~christophe/in_vorbis.dll)

The tag writing is fixed on all the OGG files I've tried it on. Sometimes it's even gonna make the ogg files SMALLER. That's because it re-paginates the ogg stream in a more efficient way.

So test it and report back. AND QUIT WHINING 

-Christophe


More efficient way. Yeah sure, and they SEEK SLOWER and USE MORE MEMORY too!
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: LordCorvin on 2003-06-13 18:46:44
Get it at:

http://www.winampfr.com/?newzyland=193 (http://www.winampfr.com/?newzyland=193)
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: ckjnigel on 2003-06-13 19:24:45
Things like this are ALWAYS available at www.chip.de .  They have many servers. 
BTW, the latest Shareaza beta 1.8.9  includes full eDonkey and eMule access as an option.
Are all certain there's no AOL malware or nastyware (other than gd icons) hidden inside? The CD ripping  is something I'm having doubts about...   
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Surge on 2003-06-13 20:48:24
AOL icons... big deal... I have trash icon and I know that there is a feature in my Windows called "Ctrl+Left Mouse Click" which allows me to select many items at once and "drag'n'drop" into "Recycle Bin" (or I saw some people put .vbs file instead of recycle can on their desktops and shred files to unrecoverable state [that's only if you have AOL that much  ]). {but WinAMP was always nice to me since it allowed me just not to install any of the AOL crap at all}.

I don't have vest , I know it is useful to have one in the f2k world, but I don't.  f2k is a nice player and I use it to play mpc, ape, flac files, but unless I get time slider in main interface I can't use it as full WinAMP replacement. I don't know how about you, but it appeared that I use this slider more than I thought before (that what I have found out when I decided to associate all supported media types to f2k). Soundwise sometimes it seems that f2k is cleaner in playing Audio CDs compared to other players, however I'm not sure that it does apply resampling routines to cda stuff.

Shareaza is a nice program, but I guess authors need to spend some time writing a help file, since even a sophisticated "user" as I am, I have no clue about many of its settings in the network part of the settings menus.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: QHOBBES 2.0 on 2003-06-13 20:52:38
here's a mirror Winamp 2.92 Full (http://members.cox.net/nswaste/winamp292_full.exe)
this account should have unlimted bandwidth so feel free
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: bubka on 2003-06-13 21:02:13
i go for the stanadard version as it just adds WMA support which i have no use for
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: AngelGR on 2003-06-14 01:36:38
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f2k is a nice player and I use it to play mpc, ape, flac files, but unless I get time slider in main interface I can't use it as full WinAMP replacement.

Sorry for the off-topic, but I can't resist... Surge, this is for you:

(http://www.barciaonline.com/aural/foobarlooks/images/windowsclassic.png)

More in foobarlooks (http://www.barciaonline.com/aural/foobarlooks/foobarlooks.htm)
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Mgz on 2003-06-14 02:31:55
sheesh! 

Why everytime any thread relate to Winamp end up with foobar 


I had enough foobar propaganda 



/edit


REMOVE WINAMP 2.92 LEAK LINK
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Surge on 2003-06-14 05:22:15
AngelGR

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Sorry for the off-topic, but I can't resist... Surge, this is for you:


Thank you very much for information!!! I didn't know that there was this skinning thing... Downloaded and use it now
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: ExUser on 2003-06-14 06:02:44
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also 5 vs 2mb... Do you care? 512Mb DDR333 costs $50 USD (anyway here in Canada). Even if it took 128mb it is not a big deal, the main thing it should load faster and f2k is "still" faster, but as it gets more "features" I think it will be "comparable" to winamp.

I agree entirely, Surge, and I'm a foobar zealot. I only use Winamp for AVS now. I'm not entirely certain fb2k wins the faster/smaller award; there have been tests that show wins by both. Winamp still has some features fb2k lacks, like real shuffle play  and visualizations. I just like the fact that foobar's focus is audio quality and good design. Everything else sort of follows from that nicely, IMO.

@Mgz: Sorry for more propaganda. Just trying to help balance things out a little.  The thing is though: It isn't propaganda when it's true!
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: RIV@NVX on 2003-06-14 07:03:32
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Here is v1.34:

http://firehose.net/~christophe/in_vorbis.dll (http://firehose.net/~christophe/in_vorbis.dll)

The tag writing is fixed on all the OGG files I've tried it on. Sometimes it's even gonna make the ogg files SMALLER. That's because it re-paginates the ogg stream in a more efficient way.

So test it and report back. AND QUIT WHINING 

-Christophe


Can FB2k also make Ogg Vorbis files smaller?

Be careful when making files smaller - in_vorbis v 1.34 may still have a tagging bug (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=138126).
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: AngelGR on 2003-06-14 09:45:17
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Why everytime any thread relate to Winamp end up with foobar   

The comparison is inevitable. It's reciprocal. And it's good.
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I had enough foobar propaganda

Try to be positive, and smile. That's information. I'd call it "propaganda" if I'd try to show a feature of foobar with false or partial facts. But that's a true one. And of course you can use other player, I don't worry if foobar has one more user and Winamp a less one.

And the most important:
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Sorry for the off-topic, but I can't resist... Surge, this is for you:

Thank you very much for information!!! I didn't know that there was this skinning thing... Downloaded and use it now 

It seems that HE find the information useful. 
Sorry again for the off-topic.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: bond on 2003-06-14 10:12:54
why did they put mp4/aac decoding in the mp3 plugin? dont understand that...
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: L.King on 2003-06-14 10:23:01
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why did they put mp4/aac decoding in the mp3 plugin? dont understand that...

there is no mp4 decoding, only mpeg2-lc aac with adts header is supported
the plugin is called mpeg audio decoder, aac fits into that description imho
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: [JAZ] on 2003-06-14 16:00:39
Looks like this version is buggy. That might be the reason that it is not officially released yet.

If you have the playlist opened, but windowshaded, go to another program, and then restore to normal size, it doesn't draw it correctly the first time, and the second time, it rezises it to minimum size. Quite annoying.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-06-14 16:57:13
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why did they put mp4/aac decoding in the mp3 plugin? dont understand that...

According to the rumours, for Shoutcast
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Cobra on 2003-06-14 17:46:39
Anyone knows why there is no Ogg Vorbis support in Shoutcast?
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-06-14 18:27:16
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Anyone knows why there is no Ogg Vorbis support in Shoutcast?

Because AOL has chosen to go with AAC.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Cobra on 2003-06-14 19:15:58
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Anyone knows why there is no Ogg Vorbis support in Shoutcast?

Because AOL has chosen to go with AAC.

I think that I don`t have to write things about evil companies (evil speculations against AOL :>) which for $ choose not really better, but paid one, format (AAC) instead of good, free one (Ogg Vorbis).

Now zealots like me have next thing to promote: first Ogg Vorbis, then Jabber, now Icecast2...
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: anza on 2003-06-14 19:22:37
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,Jun 14 2003 - 06:00 PM] Looks like this version is buggy. That might be the reason that it is not officially released yet.

Well, on the official Winamp forums they said that this version should only be considered as Winamp 2.92 RC1, not as Winamp 2.92 Final.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-06-14 19:31:29
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I think that I don`t have to write things about evil companies (evil speculations against AOL :>) which for $ choose not really better, but paid one, format (AAC) instead of good, free one (Ogg Vorbis).

You wold go the same way as Neo Neko. That isn't a very healthy behaviour in this forum. 
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Mgz on 2003-06-15 02:44:11
I got this one from Nullsoft forums


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There has been a rash of leaks of beta versions of Winamp as of late. Please do not download or distribute leaked copies. These releases are only weeks away, you can all learn to be a little patient and get it when it's ready.

Also, to the person who keeps leaking these copies, if you keep this up, we WILL stop posting versions of the player and subsequently punish the entire beta team for your actions. I suggest that you start respecting the trust you earned to get on the beta team and keep builds to yourself.

Thank you,

-s


from
Steve Gedikian - steve@nullsoft.com
Llama Wrangler - Nullsoft, Inc. @ http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=...40&pagenumber=2 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=138784&perpage=40&pagenumber=2)




/me remove my mirrors to Winamp 2.92 leak from my post
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: SNYder on 2003-06-15 02:44:22
Damnit Mgz.  You beat me 
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: rjamorim on 2003-06-15 03:01:08
It's a shame, the CD ripper supports r3mix but doesn't supports --alt-presets. >_<
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: westgroveg on 2003-06-15 04:45:28
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It's a shame, the CD ripper supports r3mix but doesn't supports --alt-presets. >_<

Can we say bloated? Not that it matters because you can get the lite, modify WA & leave only the necessary DLL's.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Cobra on 2003-06-15 15:16:22
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f2k is a nice player and I use it to play mpc, ape, flac files, but unless I get time slider in main interface I can't use it as full WinAMP replacement.

Sorry for the off-topic, but I can't resist... Surge, this is for you:

(http://www.barciaonline.com/aural/foobarlooks/images/windowsclassic.png)

More in foobarlooks (http://www.barciaonline.com/aural/foobarlooks/foobarlooks.htm)

Anyone knows how to install fonts for DS-Digital (Aluminium Look) skin?
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: amano on 2003-06-15 16:53:44
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f2k is a nice player and I use it to play mpc, ape, flac files, but unless I get time slider in main interface I can't use it as full WinAMP replacement.

Sorry for the off-topic, but I can't resist... Surge, this is for you:

(http://www.barciaonline.com/aural/foobarlooks/images/windowsclassic.png)

More in foobarlooks (http://www.barciaonline.com/aural/foobarlooks/foobarlooks.htm)

yes, ugly is no word for it.
*amano shudders*
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: amano on 2003-06-15 18:44:36
well, they confirmed in the winamp forums that the winamp 2.92 version on winamp heaven was a leaked beta . so I edited (and corrected) my news submission. sorry for advertising a leaked beta but I really didn't know.

-amano

EDIT: grammar
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: feces1223 on 2003-06-15 19:22:33
dammit!!!! this release is gOOd!!! i'm back to winamp days, haven't used it in about 6 months cuz IMHO 2.9/2.91 sucked for my pc. and i had fb2k as an alternative now i'm back to the old days!!!
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: chrisgeleven on 2003-06-15 20:14:09
When will some people ever learn how to type somewhat decently with good grammer
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: The_Cisco_Kid on 2003-06-16 00:56:47
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When will some people ever learn how to type somewhat decently with good grammer

on the net?  (http://my.opera.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif) (http://my.opera.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif) (http://my.opera.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif)
on a serious note, I am not very fond of much of the shorthand and internet slang myself
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Peter on 2003-06-16 01:08:11
If you want to help with vorbis tag writing issues, go here - http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?th...threadid=139143 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=139143)
Again, what you have is NOT final 2.92, just a leaked release candidate.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: /\/ephaestous on 2003-06-16 01:20:38
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When will some people ever learn how to type somewhat decently with good grammer

perhaps when you learn how to type the word grammar.
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: chrisgeleven on 2003-06-16 02:42:14
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When will some people ever learn how to type somewhat decently with good grammer

perhaps when you learn how to type the word grammar.

Slight typo
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: feces1223 on 2003-06-16 04:03:15
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When will some people ever learn how to type somewhat decently with good grammer

perhaps when you learn how to type the word grammar.

Slight typo

lol chris he got you bad and made you seem like a bigger foul! And for the record, *grammar doesn't matter on forums anways because its not like you need to spend all day typing one reply to get your word across, it would only matter if you were writing a book
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Wizard on 2003-06-16 08:35:57
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If you want to help with vorbis tag writing issues, go here - http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?th...threadid=139143 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=139143)
Again, what you have is NOT final 2.92, just a leaked release candidate.

Just tested it and it works. But why is it so faster in updating the tags than fb2k? Winamp takes half the time fb2k takes  This is clearer in large files (> 8 MB)
Title: Winamp 2.92 out!
Post by: Peter on 2003-06-16 08:52:37
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If you want to help with vorbis tag writing issues, go here - http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?th...threadid=139143 (http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=139143)
Again, what you have is NOT final 2.92, just a leaked release candidate.

Just tested it and it works. But why is it so faster in updating the tags than fb2k? Winamp takes half the time fb2k takes  This is clearer in large files (> 8 MB)

It uses old good MoveFile() trick (copies Ogg stream from source file to a temp file, modifying vorbis comments on the fly, then deletes source file and moves newly created temp file back to source file location), while that trick wouldn't work in fb2k (which locks file when updating), so current fb2k tag updater copies to temp file, then copies back (in current test version I made it use memory buffer instead of temp file for <10meg Oggs, seems much faster too, gonna work on it more).

Since I don't have my Winamp Forums account working at the moment -
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v1.35 solves all my problems (finally!)  What's up with the increased file size of the dll (+45kb)?
I made it use vcedit instead of my handcoded tag updater (fb2k and about everything else uses vcedit too), and ported some code (chained stream parser) from fb2k; my code from fb2k needed newer versions of vorbis libraries, and it seems that new vorbis libraries made dll size go up. Not sure why exactly (IIRC I was using libvorbis 1.0 RC2 before, with some of my own hacks).
I suggest that more people test that dll Christophe posted because I had to completely rewrite tag updater and hack some other things, then couldn't / didn't have time to do any testing other than checking if it works at all. I hope chained stream handling didn't suffer from this (I only tested one file, seemed to work).