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Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

I run into this forum while surfing this morning:
http://members.yourbbs.com/?6054

(This is the k+k research forum)

In case someone can't read, here's the first message in that forum (And I quote):

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hi.
i guess some of you figured out that i/we need a break.
when idiots like ivan/psytel uses all kind of dirty tricks (lying, making sister sites in order to shut his and our site down with false claim, emails etc,,,) i think it hs gone too far (to say the least...)
we did this for fun and as a hobby , discussions and personal attacks is what you can expect to a certain degree, this is way to much.
you can say the idiot wins , well i have no problem with that, do you??
so we will take a good long break , who knows , maybe we will be back some day.
thanks to those who helped and supported us, to the idiot team ; hope its worth it....
bye k m - k+k research


Quite creepy... and sad.
It seems there's a pretty strange story there...

See you later, and happy new year  ,
machiavel

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #1 –
Just for the record, this is NOT the way things happened at all.  I'm sure JohnV or Ivan can give you more details, and I'm sure anyone who has been around in the community for awhile is well aware of this, but I just thought I'd add that.

As for the rest.. yeah it's too bad there's so much bad blood in the community.  In the end it's always harmful towards making progress.  It usually seems to boil down to the fact that some people just love to spread misinformation and can't see past their ego's for the true benefit of the community.

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #2 –
Hummm... Now I'm curious too...

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #4 –
Hehe...

http://web.archive.org/web/19991006223043/...d.com/cadaudio/

http://web.archive.org/web/19991013095433/...io/compinfo.htm

This poor guy tried to sell compile of the FDIS ISO source code with VB front end for $500 (now available from iso for $0, and very low audioquality - lower than Blade MP3)... Now that's ok, but telling people that this encoder is better than anything else was really funny

Their 'TAC' encoder wasn't "their" - the guy that wrote TAC encoder (Kevin Anderson) is living in Chicago, IL - and he is a very nice person. TAC is far from "best in the world" mumbo jumbo, but it is a nice very high bitrate codec (250-350 Kbits/s).

Anyway KM dissappeared when the entire community realised how big liar was he.

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #6 –
What a loser he is. KM single-handedly embodied everything I hate about the music scene in general. In a word - greed.

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #7 –
The story is one of the funniest and saddest thing I've seen in audio community world.
KM practically destroyed k+k by himself. However the other "k" in k+k , Kevin Anderson is totally different type of person, very nice and modest.

Even more sad thing was that km wasn't much in contact with Kevin anymore (towards the end of TAC development), he just concentrated on efforts to distract Ivan's work. And obviously even lied to Kevin what he was doing (Kevin being a very nice and trusting person believed what km told him, until I showed him the proofs... Then Kevin actually said he considers continuing without km.)

km lost the last bit of credibility when he denied he owned a certain email address (which was used to complain about Ivan), although deja (nowadays google usenet search) showed it actually was his valid email.

After that km practically vanished, but I helped Kevin to improve TAC a bit, and the unreleased latests beta is not so bad at higher bitrates. But Kevin decided to stop the development.
Juha Laaksonheimo

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #8 –
is there any chance to get these latest betas for testing, despite everything that has happened ?

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #9 –
No. Unless you contact Kevin. I could provide some clips if wanted, but not sure what's the point. TAC is totally closed purely win32 codec.
Juha Laaksonheimo

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #10 –
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Originally posted by ff123
The old VQF forum is a treasure trove of archived history.

ff123


True!
This specific is a great one:
http://www.vqf.com/bbs/display.php3?board=...orum&DISP=13102

And these spectrograms are amazing. Much better than something you get with CoolEdit:  :insane:
http://www.vqf.com/bbs/display.php3?board=...orum&DISP=13110
http://www.vqf.com/bbs/display.php3?board=...orum&DISP=13111
Regards;

Roberto.

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #11 –
Such abuse of language and spelling should be criminal! :rofl:

Sweet ASCII graphs though. :rofl:

Something rotten in the audiocoding community?

Reply #12 –
I only remember one post by Anderson (didn't he go by the name Oldman or similar?), that was right at the end, he seemed very reasonable.

...I remember JohnV thinking that TAC was quite good by the end, its almost ashame that it ended up the way it did....

Where's km nowadays?  I wonder if he's visited here...

-Nic