Nero has released a new major update, Nero 7.5.
Of particular interest:
- AVC / H.264 High Profile encoding, with multithreaded encoder
- Blu-ray and HD-DVD support
- new version of Nero Mobile music player for PDA and SmartPhones
- Improved mp3PRO support
Main page (http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/index.html)
Download link (http://www.nero.com/nero7/eng/nero7-demo.php)
Thanks, just one question: Yahoo! Toolbar not present anymore or not optional anymore please?
I too cam curious about the Yahoo! Toolbar. I guess I will see in 3.5 hours. One additional comment/question though (it has nothing to do with audio encoding):
When will Nero Recode 2 support high resolution mepg-4 AVC encoding with the iPod profile? The newer 5.5G iPod support mpeg-4 AVC video encoded up to 640X480 and 1500kbps. Additionally, Apple updated the older 5G iPod firmware to be compatible with these higher resolution and higher bitrate videos.
If Nero Recode 2 supports high resolution mpeg-4 AVC encoding in the iPod profile then thanks.
Now I will have to wait and go through all the new features, thanks.
Cool now i'll just wait for the micro installer version for it.
Blueray and HD DVD support too, one step ahead I see. Drives cost $1000.
Won't it pay off for Nero to address the size issue at some stage? It would sure make a lot of people happy. The package has increased with 60MB again to 189MB. I can't imagine Nero likes to waste as much bandwidth as possible?
Won't it pay off for Nero to address the size issue at some stage? It would sure make a lot of people happy. The package has increased with 60MB again to 189MB. I can't imagine Nero likes to waste as much bandwidth as possible?
it's only 189mb until you try to install it... then you'll have over 500MB of crap in your temp files folder (which never gets deleted) plus whatever gets copied over to the program files folder. IOW you'll have over a gig of Nero on your disk if you do a default install.
Thanks garf, it's a pretty good chunk of programs despite the size.
One more thing: how come you no longer state below your avatar you're a Nero MP4 dev Garf?
Did I miss something?
Garf, what about interlaced support in newest H.264 encoder? I heard that Nero 7.5 still doesn't have it.
And, can new H.264 encoder fully utilize future Quad-core Intel, Core 2 Quadro?
One other quick question, when is Windows Vista compatibility coming?
thanks
Won't it pay off for Nero to address the size issue at some stage? It would sure make a lot of people happy. The package has increased with 60MB again to 189MB. I can't imagine Nero likes to waste as much bandwidth as possible?
it's only 189mb until you try to install it... then you'll have over 500MB of crap in your temp files folder (which never gets deleted) plus whatever gets copied over to the program files folder. IOW you'll have over a gig of Nero on your disk if you do a default install.
Thanks garf, it's a pretty good chunk of programs despite the size.
Nero is following the lead of Microsoft... and Adobe... and Symantec... and...
It appears at least the AVC encoder is completely broken and generates way oversized files.
I hope your downloads didn't finish yet....
It appears at least the AVC encoder is completely broken and generates way oversized files.
I hope your downloads didn't finish yet....
Oh noes!
It appears at least the AVC encoder is completely broken and generates way oversized files.
I hope your downloads didn't finish yet....
I still got mine queued in GetRight... will the filename be the same after fixing? And more importantly: When will it be fixed?
Gee, I'd better get it off the queue in the meanwhile...
I just used the AVC encoder a bit ago in 7.5.1.1, but didn't check the file size, it seemed to work great though.
It appears at least the AVC encoder is completely broken and generates way oversized files.
I hope your downloads didn't finish yet....
Can you explain how to reproduce?
Finally h.264 high profile!
It was something like 1.5 years between core encoder beeing ready and integration into Nero suite. I was really wondering if it would be integrated one day.
Also, some will notice that now Recode is also using new Nero AAC encoder for the best possible quality.
It appears at least the AVC encoder is completely broken and generates way oversized files.
I hope your downloads didn't finish yet....
Can you explain how to reproduce?
nevermind
The burning part works reliable, and apart from two annoying bugs (sorting of files in the compilation window and selecting speed for DVD copying) is pretty much usable now. But I seriously haven't seen a Recode version that would work. The ammount of bugs we've seen in Recode is simply ridiculous.
Finally h.264 high profile!
It was something like 1.5 years between core encoder beeing ready and integration into Nero suite. I was really wondering if it would be integrated one day.
Yes. And it's broken. 1,5 years is too much. During this period 2 high quality H.264 High Profile encoders have released. x264 and Elecard/Mainconcept AVC. Competitors won't wait. Elecard is preparing a really BOMB! New beta AVC is actually very fast with highest quality.
This software is a complete embarrasment.. One of the worst I have ever encountered (since its 7-th version).
This software is a complete embarrasment.. One of the worst I have ever encountered (since its 7-th version).
I do think we still require arguments and reasons, particularly before making such a generalizing statement.
Garf, can you please answer my two questions (Yahoo! Toolbar and your "title" change)? Thanks.
This software is a complete embarrasment.. One of the worst I have ever encountered (since its 7-th version).
I do think we still require arguments and reasons, particularly before making such a generalizing statement.
His reasoning may be bare but I agree with him.
Nero obviously has moved far away from being a burner. For that purpose it *was* the best around, years ago. Now it's just another part of a fat bloated 'shovelware' suite full of stuff that i'm sure most people never make much use of.
I see what Ahead are trying to do. Unfortunately this puts them in the same market as Microsoft and many others who want to own the whole media 'experience' on a users electronics. Like Microsoft you figure that the effect on installing this shovelware on a PC is marginal. Unfortunately your suite doesn't run in isolation. It'll be installed on plenty of PCs with WMP, Realplayer, Quicktime etc. All with their own file association stealing apps and added advertorial crap. Maybe most users don't care but I do. It annoys me when I see someones PC that i'm fixing is slower than mine even though the nominal spec is double that of my own, purely due to all the startup crap installed and 'software updaters'.
And when you do everything, you don't do it properly. Recode is horrible. Burning Rom is now horrible. I use cdburner XP pro nopwadays, which is free, because it does as much as I want. Smartstart is just taking the piss out of the user. I don't know anyone who uses the cd cover generator tool more than once or twice before giving up.
Ahead, please, stop trying to own the media market (you won't), hows about giving us a break and using your undoubted technical skills to create lightweight apps with industry standard GUIs that don't need a gig of space to install? I'd probably buy another license if you did. Thereis a reason that people do remixed lite and portable versions of Nero...
seanyseansean's right, Nero 7 has unfortunately gone the Roxio way, I'm keeping Nero 6.6.1.4 as my main CD/DVD app (burning with ImgBurn tho) but don't mind testing new releases anyway.
Finally h.264 high profile!
It was something like 1.5 years between core encoder beeing ready and integration into Nero suite. I was really wondering if it would be integrated one day.
well it seems all it offers of high profile is 8x8dct, not much really (ateme supports much more)
well it seems all it offers of high profile is 8x8dct, not much really (ateme supports much more)
There is not much more than 8x8 in the "basic" high profile. The only 3 other things that come to my mind are monochrome, different quantizers for both chroma planes, and custom quant. matrixes.
I don't think that custom quant would fit into a product such as recode.
Nero obviously has moved far away from being a burner. For that purpose it *was* the best around, years ago. Now it's just another part of a fat bloated 'shovelware' suite full of stuff that i'm sure most people never make much use of.
In my opinion the Nero suite has evolved a lot since the old burning rom days. Acquisition of external software expanded it, but without using a full "integration/merge" phase. Now, it's a big suite of different pieces of software, and users (at least me) are not sure about which one to use for a given task.
(note: this big suite is probably a nightmare to validate, beeing so big and "un-integrated")
However, I understand what they are trying to achieve: relying on just burning would be increadibly risky, Microsoft itself beeing a huge competitor. They are transforming the formerly-know-as-burning-rom into a media suite, and are trying to be a major player in the media/codecs field. It's likely to be a good strategical choice.
The only problem is the "race" to new features and new versions, which seems to prevent a major rework of existing software. To several outsiders, it seems that this suite might be near to the entropy explosion point.
All this is just my own personnal opinion, and I wish that Nero will be able to "restore" this suite.
Or to put it shorter: Ahead has transformed from a technical, product oriented company to a marketing-driven bloatware seller. One sure sign that something is seriously wrong. Hope they don't wait until all the smart guys have left.
In my opinion the Nero suite has evolved a lot since the old burning rom days. Acquisition of external software expanded it, but without using a full "integration/merge" phase. Now, it's a big suite of different pieces of software, and users (at least me) are not sure about which one to use for a given task.
As much as i like the Nero devs, i think that the company is doing the WRONG thing. Why do i have to buy a Recode product, if i only want the Burner? Or why do i have to buy the burner, if i only want the recode? Why don't sell the products, as a whole, and as separate entities? Why doesn't the installer allows me to install only what i want? Is not that dificult to do. They can continue to sell the "bundle", if they want, but give freedom of choice.
Why doesn't the installer allows me to install only what i want? Is not that dificult to do. They can continue to sell the "bundle", if they want, but give freedom of choice.
It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.
It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.
last time i tried, i had to manually remove "scouter" or something like that, don't remember the correct name.
Nero Mobile not for Palm, why?
It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.
last time i tried, i had to manually remove "scouter" or something like that, don't remember the correct name.
Same here. Despite unchecking all non-necessary thingies, lots (and I do mean lots!) of unessential crap got installed. Like that search-thingy that installs itself to the Taskbar. I surely can do without!
Went as far as searching for related .dll's in the registry... only to discover that there's some 50-ish registry entries that I have to delete to get rid of that turd...
If it were not for my less-than-technical brother and sister-in-law, I would not hesitate to end my use of Nero.
Nero Mobile not for Palm, why?
Palm is dead. And the new Palm devices use Windows Mobile, so actually Nero Mobile will work.
It does. After customizing your installation, you'll find Nero 7 a very convenient, non intrusive piece of sotware.
last time i tried, i had to manually remove "scouter" or something like that, don't remember the correct name.
Same here. Despite unchecking all non-necessary thingies, lots (and I do mean lots!) of unessential crap got installed. Like that search-thingy that installs itself to the Taskbar. I surely can do without!
Went as far as searching for related .dll's in the registry... only to discover that there's some 50-ish registry entries that I have to delete to get rid of that turd...
If it were not for my less-than-technical brother and sister-in-law, I would not hesitate to end my use of Nero.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=154953 (http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=154953)
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=154953 (http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=154953)
exactly.
By the way, for me at least, this is a friendly recommendation to NERO, i don't want NERO to disapear, and if i care about it is because i like the app. I'm still using my OEM Nero 5.5 but 6 and 7 got way bloated. Even if i do like Recode2 a lot, i don't have any use for the other components.
Nero Mobile not for Palm, why?
Nero Mobile was a huge disappointment. I tried first to play MP3-files stored on my PDA. The program didn't find the files automatically, I had to browse to each folder containing music and mark every track within them to add them to the library. When doing this the program crashed several times. Then I tried to play it back. The tracks were played in random order, and I can't find a way to sort them. The sound was OK, but it was difficult to fine tune the volume - it was either way too loud or too soft. I tried to encode an album as Nero Digital files. This sounded fine, but was still played back in random order. The program was supposed to support album art, but that was not displayed, although the album art was present in the same folder as the music files. Next I activated Nero Media Home to play back streamed TV or music over wifi. The program found the TV channels and music folders on my harddisk. But when I clicked nothing happened. I don't know how long time I am supposed to wait before anything happens with this, but I think I waited long without anything happening.
Perhaps I am doing everything wrong. Does anyone else have better experiences?
best wishes
Trondis
Thanks for your report!
Unfortunately, Nero Mobile still does not index the files on the first run, but this feature will be added very soon.
As for the crashes - please send me more data to my PM / e-mail and I will make sure this gets fixed as soon as possible.
Next I activated Nero Media Home to play back streamed TV or music over wifi. The program found the TV channels and music folders on my harddisk. But when I clicked nothing happened. I don't know how long time I am supposed to wait before anything happens with this, but I think I waited long without anything happening.
Will be checked.
Also, to all people using Nero Mobile - please feel free to send or copy all the feedback to me. I am responsible for this product line and I will review all your comments / suggestions with the greatest attention. Thanks for your help!
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=154953 (http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=154953)
exactly.
By the way, for me at least, this is a friendly recommendation to NERO, i don't want NERO to disapear, and if i care about it is because i like the app. I'm still using my OEM Nero 5.5 but 6 and 7 got way bloated. Even if i do like Recode2 a lot, i don't have any use for the other components.
Same, um, nearly, here.
I am not against Nero, per se, I have many nice memories about Nero... until 6.
I do hope Nero will return to its lean & mean roots.
Edit: And that thread given by DARcode
should not be necessary... If only Nero will
honestly provide an option during installation to not install the farking Scout.
The program was supposed to support album art, but that was not displayed, although the album art was present in the same folder as the music files.
Trondis
It's a guess, but that feature probably only works for album art embedded in MP4.
Should be easy to fix, though.
Garf, can you please answer my two questions (Yahoo! Toolbar and your "title" change)? Thanks.
Garf?
I didn't see any Yahoo toolbar, but I'm on 64 bit Windows, so I don't even know if perhaps Yahoo toolbar simply doesn't support that.
I think that if it would be required, more people would have bitched.
Also, to all people using Nero Mobile - please feel free to send or copy all the feedback to me. I am responsible for this product line and I will review all your comments / suggestions with the greatest attention. Thanks for your help!
I would love to do that Ivan, however I'm using a, according to Garf, 'dead' Palm PDA called the Tungsten T5. Surely an Intel 416Mhz XScale CPU, 256MB non-volatile RAM and a 3,7'' 320 x 480 TFT are hopelessly outdated specs indeed. Also the vast amount of decent medical PALM OS available
and the continously updated medical software from e.g. Skyscape don't help me at all to get me fast and reliable information
every day in my profession as a children's doctor.
Please, Garf, in this thread you say 'we still require arguments and reasons, particularly before making such a generalizing statement.' only to make,
in your very next post, the evidently generalizing statement 'Palm is dead' with little to no argument or reasons at all! I respect and appreciate your work and the time and effort you take to inform and help us on this board but I just had to say this.
/sorry to astray offtopic here...
Please, Garf, in this thread you say 'we still require arguments and reasons, particularly before making such a generalizing statement.' only to make, in your very next post, the evidently generalizing statement 'Palm is dead' with little to no argument or reasons at all! I respect and appreciate your work and the time and effort you take to inform and help us on this board but I just had to say this.
/sorry to astray offtopic here...
Uhm, I pointed out that Palm has switched to Windows Mobile for their future devices. What exactly don't you understand about that?
If that's not enough: their marketshare is one of the fastest dropping ones.
http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8564/ga...rt-for-q1-2006/ (http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/8564/gartner-pda-report-for-q1-2006/)
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5228/53/ (http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5228/53/)
Look! Now you're bringing 'arguments and reasons'... However according to your own sources:
2006 Q1:
Palm PDA shipments declined 25.2 percent, as its attention has shifted to Palm's Treo smartphone business. Palm PDA shipments are at their lowest level since 1998. However, Treo shipments were 581,000, with an estimated 20 percent of these being the new Treo 700w. Treo shipments are recorded in Gartner's quarterly smartphones report.
2006 Q2:
Palm’s PDA shipments declined 27% from the same period last year. However, Gartner analysts pointed out that this wasn’t such a bad performance considering that Palm has not introduced any new PDAs since late 2005, and the company is focused on the Treo. Treo shipments totaled 656,000, but these are excluded from Gartner’s PDA numbers because they are smartphones.
True, the new Treo 700 sports Windows Mobile 5.0. But still the sale of 'legacy' Palm & Treo and the vast amount of Palm OS machines people bought in the last 2-3 years certainly remain substantial. Not substantial enough for Nero to think its commercially viable to release a Palm OS based Nero Mobile? Ofcourse that's their decision, I cannot judge that.
Palm OS dead? Dying, slowly, perhaps. In any case your 'Palm is dead' phrase remains a 'generalizing statement' for which you gave and still have arguable 'arguments and reasons'.
But still the sale of 'legacy' Palm & Treo and the vast amount of Palm OS machines people bought in the last 2-3 years certainly remain substantial.
Legacy devices?
Nero Mobile decodes and plays audio & video. Attempting to do that on a device that is too slow to actually decode the video and/or has a tiny resolution is not going to get you many happy customers.
If you want legacy Palm applications, there are good solutions for Windows Mobile. I happily use StyleTap to run some of the more interesting Palm applications on my Dell Axim.
But to target a *new* application to Palm OS? Not the best allotment of resources, IMHO.
With 'legacy' I meant the older Palm OS based PDA/Smartphones.
The Tungsten T3, Tungsten T5, Tungsten Livedrive and the Treo 650 have a >400MHz Intel XScale CPU and a screen size/resolution comparable to Sony's PSP and the new 5.5G iPod. So by no means to slow to decode MPEG-4 Part 2 (ASP) or even Part 10(AVC) or having a too small screen to enjoy video (I regularly do this while traveling by train using TCPMP).
Like I said I can perfectly well imagine that aiming a new application to Palm OS is regarded by Nero as a not commercially sound thing to do. I just find it a pity that me & my IMHO perfectly capable Palm OS based PDA are missing out on the (future) Nero Mobile fun!
/edit
Yes Ivan, quite a bit more than 'Palm is dead' , thank you .
I would personally like to see Nero Mobile running on any mobile/pda/pmp device. That means also that I would be happy seeing Nero Mobile running on the older Palm devices.
However, there are priorities - like:
- Making sure you run on devices that are able to support rich media experience such as e.g. AVC
- Making sure you run on devices representing important part of the market share
- Making sure your product features are up to date, your usability is up to date
- Making sure you satisfy your OEM customers
- Making sure your engineering team is optimally working on the most important features as well
Unfortunately, as you don't have unlimited numbers of skilled engineers in your team, having an unlimited time - you sometimes have to make decisions to prioritize some activities over some other activities - this happens in the software industry all the time - and, no matter how fast you are growing and getting the new blood in, there will still be things that have to be left for the future.
So, in essence - this means that older Palm devices will not be supported this year and the focus is to get Symbian version of Nero Mobile rolling and some more very exciting features - this of course does not exclude the possibility to support older Palm devices at some point in the future, but - like I said, this kind of decision is having to be in line with the priorities and not block something which is maybe more important to majority of people.
I hope this explains it a bit more.
Why dosen't Nero just release a "Nero Lite" version, that has just the Burning ROM? That way you can have a choice of just the burning program, or "everything"
...
Please don't post links to unofficial Nero installers in this thread. It seems a little bad form.
Please don't post links to unofficial Nero installers in this thread. It seems a little bad form.
Sorry Synth, but Nero becomed BLOATware !
I don't like their contemporary marketing strategy... tastes like MS-one.
Why no more separated packages ?
I'm not in favour of Ahead's strategy either. I think downloading over 100MB for a minor upgrade is just insane.
However, in a thread which annouces a new version, and considering this forum benefits from the insight given to us by Nero developers, I just think it's "impolite" to link to unofficial alternatives.
Hopefully, if enough people make their concern known about the official installer, Ahead may change their mind sometime in the future.
Synthetic Soul: Ahead went ahead and renamed themselfs, and in the process destroyed the punchline of so many great jokes. Damn you Ahead Nero!
Oops! Shows how much I follow current events...
Thanks for the info.
I'm not in favour of Ahead's strategy either. I think downloading over 100MB for a minor upgrade is just insane.
Nero Mobile will be available separately very soon from our website.
I'm not in favour of Ahead's strategy either. I think downloading over 100MB for a minor upgrade is just insane.
Go to Nero ProductSetup and press update. I had to download only 38MB.
I'm not in favour of Ahead's strategy either. I think downloading over 100MB for a minor upgrade is just insane.
Go to Nero ProductSetup and press update. I had to download only 38MB.
I've tried that several times. Just tried it again and this time it gets past 1. Connecting (it didn't previously) and gets to 2. Checking Engine then returns to the Nero ProductSetUp main screen without going through the other steps. So I think, OK, maybe it knows I now need updates and this is done through Modify your Nero Products option. I click Next. It crashes "Error applying transforms. Verify that the specified transforms paths are valid".
Nero ProductSetup doesn't work for me.
I'm not in favour of Ahead's strategy either. I think downloading over 100MB for a minor upgrade is just insane.
Go to Nero ProductSetup and press update. I had to download only 38MB.
Heh, last time I tried that, it f*cked up my installation and I had to completely reinstall Nero.
Hmm, I seem to have a different ProductSetup than the one in the manual on the web. I guess I already had a version 7.5 here, this ProductSetup seems to work fine for me.
Hey Garf,
Can you please tell us why Nero has become such bloatware and the Burning Rom is not available just by itself?
Cheers
Hmm, I seem to have a different ProductSetup than the one in the manual on the web. I guess I already had a version 7.5 here, this ProductSetup seems to work fine for me.
So you were upgrading from version 7.5 to version 7.5 and you only had to download 38MB... Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
Hmm, I seem to have a different ProductSetup than the one in the manual on the web. I guess I already had a version 7.5 here, this ProductSetup seems to work fine for me.
So you were upgrading from version 7.5 to version 7.5 and you only had to download 38MB... Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
My Common/Ahead/DSFilter is usually completely different than what can be downloaded from the web. That already accounts for 22MB I guess.
But I gues you will have to wait at least a month to see if the new ProductSetup works for you.
Hey Garf,
Can you please tell us why Nero has become such bloatware and the Burning Rom is not available just by itself?
Cheers
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....showtopic=48580 (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48580)
For those who don't know, WinLibre@SoC bringed us Infra Recorder (http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/), that is just 1,3 Mb.
whooops... can i post this kind of links ?
Please don't post links to unofficial Nero installers in this thread. It seems a little bad form.
To the best of my understanding, those "lite" installers, no matter how handy they are, are in violation of Nero's copyright and license, and hence illegal. Posting them here will just get your post removed and a warning.
We'll fix this AVC oversize bug as soon as possible, but the problem is in the low-level encoder implementation. Looks like a recent update to the Ateme AVC codec which was put to the release compilation was buggy unfortunately. We are waiting for Ateme at the moment.
I'll let you know when more information is available.
I hate to bug, especially about a question I already asked but, when is Windows Vista compatibility coming? I saw on Nero's website that they are early adopters of the Windows Vista compatibility program yet their software package is still incompatible. I enjoy Nero 7 as I use Nero Burning ROM, Nero Recode 2, Nero ShowTime, and a couple other Nero apps here and there. It would be a shame not to run Neo 7 on my Vista powered notebook.
To the best of my understanding, those "lite" installers, no matter how handy they are, are in violation of Nero's copyright and license, and hence illegal. Posting them here will just get your post removed and a warning.
Yes, my warn level is 33% now.
...it was a sort of "civil" pacific disobedience (wanna remember you that lite installer is
NOT warez, you must have a valid license anyway) 'cause we have some Ahead developers here.
Now they are able to unchain their lawyers against license infringers !!!
To the best of my understanding, those "lite" installers, no matter how handy they are, are in violation of Nero's copyright and license, and hence illegal. Posting them here will just get your post removed and a warning.
You mean those Nero Lite Installer that can be found on Softpedia ? They seem to be quite usefull, and are easy to find using Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=nero+lite+installer+softpedia).
If only it was part of the regular installer...
Yes, very usefull indeed, as many of us know! But have you read what I proposed in this other (somehow related) thread (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=48571) about the feasibility of a
custom uninstaller, to get rid of all the bloat and not risk to be sued and not even warned?
I don't have the knowledge to write it, but I swear if I had I'll do it, and anyway I will happly help testing or in any other way if somebody else volunteer to develop it.
Sergio
Hmm, I seem to have a different ProductSetup than the one in the manual on the web. I guess I already had a version 7.5 here, this ProductSetup seems to work fine for me.
So you were upgrading from version 7.5 to version 7.5 and you only had to download 38MB... Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
For those who don't know, WinLibre@SoC bringed us Infra Recorder (http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/), that is just 1,3 Mb.
whooops... can i post this kind of links ?
Great news! I'll add it to HA Wiki's Download Page (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Download_page) ... and while I'm there... I'm reeeeeeaaalllllyyyy tempted to change Nero's description to "Bloated Windows Commercial CD Writing Application"...
Yes, my warn level is 33% now.
...it was a sort of "civil" pacific disobedience (wanna remember you that lite installer is NOT warez, you must have a valid license anyway) 'cause we have some Ahead developers here.
Ah, but depending on the wording of the license, it is quite possible you would then be in breach of that license, even if you had purchased one.
That's beside the point however. The deletion/warning action was about liability. Much of HA's topics are ones that big companies and their lawyers aren't too happy about (e.g. ripping in general), whether legal in your region (most regions) or not. It is for the sake of the forum, it's administrators, and it's users that there is this kind of enforcement: so that certain lines aren't crossed in discussion, especially regarding copyrights (and related issues such as DRM), that might lead to legal entanglements.
-brendan
To the best of my understanding, those "lite" installers, no matter how handy they are, are in violation of Nero's copyright and license, and hence illegal. Posting them here will just get your post removed and a warning.
You mean those Nero Lite Installer that can be found on Softpedia ? They seem to be quite usefull, and are easy to find using Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=nero+lite+installer+softpedia).
If only it was part of the regular installer...
The fact that something is on Softpedia doesn't really mean it's legal. I know from personal experience.
But anyway, yeah, that Lite installer is great.
The fact that something is on Softpedia doesn't really mean it's legal. I know from personal experience.
But anyway, yeah, that Lite installer is great.
That doesn't seems official, or is it?
wanna remember you that lite installer is NOT warez, you must have a valid license anyway
This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.
Here's a thought: I have some free software (not in the GPL sense) on my webpage. Can you redistribute that on your webpage without my permission? You sure as hell CAN NOT. Copyright still applies.
This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.
Here's a thought: I have some free software (not in the GPL sense) on my webpage. Can you redistribute that on your webpage without my permission? You sure as hell CAN NOT. Copyright still applies.
I thought that those "lite" installers were requiring you to download the official installer, and they were not providing any Nero software by themselves.
However I tryed the "not mentioned one" (since my post is now deleted), and it's effectively providing Nero binaries...that's bad...
but depending on the wording of the license, it is quite possible you would then be in breach of that license, even if you had purchased one
No, these click through licenses cannot alter the fundamentable laws in your country. For example I could create a really good game, but it has a license 'By using this software, you are not allowed to write any bad reviews about it'. I have just effectively created a whole new law, which is rubbish, only Governments can create laws, not software companies.
but depending on the wording of the license, it is quite possible you would then be in breach of that license, even if you had purchased one
No, these click through licenses cannot alter the fundamentable laws in your country. For example I could create a really good game, but it has a license 'By using this software, you are not allowed to write any bad reviews about it'. I have just effectively created a whole new law, which is rubbish, only Governments can create laws, not software companies.
I'm not so sure. Try to find a benchmark of any recent Oracle version. The license of Oracle forbids it.
I don't see why a condition on a license is a law. It's a restriction on what you can do with the software. Nobody is forcing you to use it. In the case of EULA's, I agree things are more icky, since you already payed before seeing the license.
But, as far as I know, copying software without permission is still forbidden simply by copyright law, and the lite installers are illegal.
This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.
Here's a thought: I have some free software (not in the GPL sense) on my webpage. Can you redistribute that on your webpage without my permission? You sure as hell CAN NOT. Copyright still applies.
I thought that those "lite" installers were requiring you to download the official installer, and they were not providing any Nero software by themselves.
Wouldn't this more or less defeat their purpose?
Wouldn't this more or less defeat their purpose?
Not really. What i'd like is ability to select only the components I want during installation. Having to download 500MB is not the biggest problem in my case (however usually the download speed of Nero is quite low), but ability to only install what I want.
If I was sure about what Nero is installing, I would not have to install it inside a VMWare image first.
I think that it's quite strange to have to control what an installer is doing, especially considering that some people have paid for it.
edit: on my side I have to admit that I'm still using v6
ok, so I have Nero 7.5.1.1, where is this new encoder?
Maybe a little off-topic, but here you have my first Nero 7.5 error:
http://www.speedyshare.com/881816569.html (http://www.speedyshare.com/881816569.html)
I'm not so sure. Try to find a benchmark of any recent Oracle version. The license of Oracle forbids it.
Try IBM
But, I agree, besides them nobody wants to fight oracle.
It is still unclear, if this oracle agreement breaks some laws or not, I think.
At least in Europe, no agreement can "override" the law. This has been tested in court in many cases, most were against webshops, where European law is very protective of consumers.
Great news! I'll add it to HA Wiki's Download Page (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Download_page)
From HA Wiki:[blockquote]DeepBurner Free -> GPL
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Infra Recorder -> Free [/blockquote]
This doesn't make it any less illegal. It most definetely is warez.
Oh, well... here's what i mean for warez (from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warez) ):
The word "warez" was coined to indicate more than one piece of pirated software, as "software" is a non-count noun and users found it natural to use a count noun to differentiate between one "ware" (one piece of software [one program]) and multiple "warez" (multiple pieces of software [multiple programs]). Due to the relatively large amounts of time needed to transfer large files over slow telephone modems and bulletin board systems (BBSes), pirates would typically ask for one-for-one trades from other pirates. Hence, software pirates adopted a merchant-like attitude with their software collections and the term "wares" was apt.
To be honest, from the same page:
Warez refers primarily to copyright material traded in violation of copyright law. - that is probably what you mean. Anyway, due to a non-commercial nature of these "alternative packages", i prefer to call them '
unofficial'.
Wouldn't this more or less defeat their purpose?
Not really. What i'd like is ability to select only the components I want during installation. Having to download 500MB is not the biggest problem in my case (however usually the download speed of Nero is quite low), but ability to only install what I want.
If I was sure about what Nero is installing, I would not have to install it inside a VMWare image first.
I think that it's quite strange to have to control what an installer is doing, especially considering that some people have paid for it.
edit: on my side I have to admit that I'm still using v6
Since version 7 you can select what components you want to install.
ok, so I have Nero 7.5.1.1, where is this new encoder?
Which one?
Since version 7 you can select what components you want to install.
Including Scout?
The 'High profile' and mp3pro support. I have no idea where in Nero these features are. Also, Nero Scout sucks. I've had it running for about 2 hours indexing, and now its just crashed
The 'High profile' and mp3pro support.
High profile can be enabled via Expert Settings in Recode. Check the box that says "8x8 transform".
MP3Pro I have no idea, I don't use that.
Great news! I'll add it to HA Wiki's Download Page (http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Download_page)
From HA Wiki:
[blockquote]DeepBurner Free -> GPL
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Infra Recorder -> Free [/blockquote]
Uhh... something wrong?
I only add Infra Recorder, and to the best of my knowledge it's free.
The column was originally "Price"... I think HotShotGG changed that to "License"... hey, Hotshot! Come here and fix the mess up will ya?
The problem is..
advanced user? you know what's good for you? you get thoughts about having unneccessarily huge downloads, taking hd-capacity and bandwidth, you say 'hooray' as you know this is not realy neccessary ? --> a lite (or let's say 'slimmer') installer would come handy
mainstream-man? you don't care, you take it all, you install it all and you use it all --> well,you are a perfect consumer, best victim for marketing strategies.. you get nero-ed!
I really like the Nero products (except Scout), but installer and update still needs some enhancements.
Otherwise, thumb up !!
Uhh... something wrong?
I only add Infra Recorder, and to the best of my knowledge it's free.
Infra Recorder is GPL (check here (http://sourceforge.net/projects/infrarecorder)), DeepBurner Free is... free (closed source).
Anyway i wanna remember you that open source means "free in speech" not "free beer"... for example FairUse Wizard (http://www.fairusewizard.com/) is GPL but you must donate to obtain the full version.
Open source does not mean free of charge !
Inofficial "lite" installers are just what you ask for with a CD-burning-program that takes a 190MB setup file... make it "lite" yourself or others will do - warez or not.
I can't see it mentioned, but does anyone know whether the large file size problem has been fixed on the H.264 encoder yet, or if not, when it might be fixed?
when Nero Digital Audio for Linux will be released? Ivan said that it was coming...
I can't see it mentioned, but does anyone know whether the large file size problem has been fixed on the H.264 encoder yet, or if not, when it might be fixed?
It has not been fixed yet. JohnV reported on doom9 that Nero is waiting for a fix from Ateme.
when Nero Digital Audio for Linux will be released? Ivan said that it was coming...
I was working on this project, but since I left Nero, I'm afraid this might be postponed for a while?
when Nero Digital Audio for Linux will be released? Ivan said that it was coming...
I was working on this project, but since I left Nero, I'm afraid this might be postponed for a while?
Well one question, did you use GTK+ or Qt for the interface. I guess GTK+? :/
None interface, only command line tool...
Well all I can say is at least the Lite installer works on Windows Vista. I find it appalling that Nero would promote themselves as being an early adopter of the Vista Compatibility program, and yet their software suite won't even install with 1 month until the (expected) Release To Manufacturing of Vista. Will Nero actually get a version out that installs on Vista before the RTM?
Here's the filter which should fix the Nero 7.5.1.1 AVC 2-pass oversize: http://morbo.org/nero/NeNDVid_2_6_28_1.zip (http://morbo.org/nero/NeNDVid_2_6_28_1.zip)
Extract the NeNDVid.ax to "\Program Files\Common Files\Ahead\DSFilter" in order to replace the old one.
Please report any problems. Thanks.
I'm updating now and wow the servers are so saturated with people it's like 7.0kb/s omg it says it's like 10:00 min to download from a 189.00mb file from a SERVER. from a huge company. It's unbalievable how slow the download it. There must be so many people downloading it now. Although i love nero it's the greatest. I use burning rom express and my favorite recode. Wow it makes ungodly MPEG 4 vids in nero digital codec . They upscale so beautifully. There are barely no artifacts
I'm updating now and wow the servers are so saturated with people it's like 7.0kb/s omg it says it's like 10:00 min to download from a 189.00mb file from a SERVER. from a huge company. It's unbalievable how slow the download it. There must be so many people downloading it now. Although i love nero it's the greatest. I use burning rom express and my favorite recode. Wow it makes ungodly MPEG 4 vids in nero digital codec . They upscale so beautifully. There are barely no artifacts
Eh?
Well...I just installed (and uninstalled) Nero 7.5.1.1. I tried to stick through the installer with just the few basic things I usually prefer to have in my system. That's Nero Burning Rom and Nero Recode...I left a few of the tools as well and totally ignored all the rest. It seemed that still I needed about 470MB of space. If this isn't bloat I really don't know what it is.
I unistalled the program through Your Uninstaller, which actually uses any program's uninstall routine and just searches for related to the program registry entries to wipe out. It erased about 2000 keys. I then used jv16 Power Tools and specifically the registry search. I found more than 1300 keys concerning Nero.
I wonder how things got way out of control for such a well respected development team. I highly doubt that anybody needs some fancy "clothes" that come in such a high price. Please do reconsider changing your whole policy over this. Has any loyal user of your software ever credited this insane bloatedness;
@bluewer than blue: Thanks for the warning. As a result, I *don't* install the Nero, despite having waited for several hours for it to complete download.
Damn you, Nero AG!
nero Digital codec is absulutly is absolutly the best codec out there no argument. Much better than xvid and all mpeg 4 even though it is mpeg 4 and better than divx
nero Digital codec is absulutly is absolutly the best codec out there no argument. Much better than xvid and all mpeg 4 even though it is mpeg 4 and better than divx
I can make some very nice chocolate cookies.
nero Digital codec is absulutly is absolutly the best codec out there no argument. Much better than xvid and all mpeg 4 even though it is mpeg 4 and better than divx
I can make some very nice chocolate cookies.
ROTFLMBO!
I can make some very nice chocolate cookies.
Isn't it a TOS violation if you don't share them with us so we can be sure too?
Mmm, cookies.
-brendan
Isn't it a TOS violation if you don't share them with us so we can be sure too?
Mmm, cookies.
I do the best cookies EVER. well my neighbor's dog likes 'em anyway and he is very picky.
if you happen to be around a gladly serve you some.
seriously, @ metalica732:
please have a look at the TOS (http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3974), including #8. it might well be the case that encoder XY looks/sounds best for you but it's useless for the community if you don't proof so by blind testing.
I'm not in favour of Ahead's strategy either. I think downloading over 100MB for a minor upgrade is just insane.
True. It would be better to download a small patch file for each minor upgrade, rather than having to download and install the whole package again.
Since version 7 you can select what components you want to install.
Not completely true. You can choose not to install some components, if you choose custom installation.
But what about Nero Scout, and BGMonitor? Two intrusive programs, running all the time, and using much CPU. The user is not asked at all whether or not he wants to install them.
The only way to work around that, is to uninstall these two components after installation. But--there is no provision to remove them from within Nero setup, or its uninstall program. One has to remove the Run key for BGMonitor, and a more complicated procedure for un-registering Nero Scout.
The user should really be able to choose not to install Scout and BGMonitor, if he/she would prefer not to do so.
I agree. I also find Nero Mobile to be a huge disappointment. Months ago I had tried the earlier version, and it didn't work well at all. I uninstalled it.
When I read about the new version that comes with Nero 7.5, it sounded very good from the description. I looked forward to trying it.
I installed it on my T-Mobile (USA) MDA, a version of the HTC Wizard, running Windows Mobile 5. It is a fairly new device. Nero Mobile installed on it, but I haven't yet gotten it to play ANY media at all, which makes it worse for me than the earlier version.
I guess I'll continue using TCPMP, and will perhaps get their upcoming new Coreplayer Mobile.
I sure hope that this program is improved, soon.
Nero Mobile not for Palm, why?
Nero Mobile was a huge disappointment. I tried first to play MP3-files stored on my PDA. The program didn't find the files automatically, I had to browse to each folder containing music and mark every track within them to add them to the library. When doing this the program crashed several times. Then I tried to play it back. The tracks were played in random order, and I can't find a way to sort them. The sound was OK, but it was difficult to fine tune the volume - it was either way too loud or too soft. I tried to encode an album as Nero Digital files. This sounded fine, but was still played back in random order. The program was supposed to support album art, but that was not displayed, although the album art was present in the same folder as the music files. Next I activated Nero Media Home to play back streamed TV or music over wifi. The program found the TV channels and music folders on my harddisk. But when I clicked nothing happened. I don't know how long time I am supposed to wait before anything happens with this, but I think I waited long without anything happening.
Perhaps I am doing everything wrong. Does anyone else have better experiences?
best wishes
Trondis
It most definetely is warez.
I guess that depends on what your definition of warez is. I just took a look at that program, and it doesn't look like warez to me. Warez means getting commercial software for free, with given serial numbers or keygens to avoid having to purchase a license.
This Nero Lite program directs one to the Nero web site to purchase a normal Nero license. The program installs completely normal unaltered Nero software. The only thing altered is the installation program, only installing a smaller subset of the Nero apps.
But yes, that's probably still illegal, although not warez. Any redistribution of copyrighted material in different packaging without the copyright holder's permission, I think is a copyright violation.
However, I don't think it would be wise for Ahead to get its lawyers to go after these guys, even though you would win the case. If people prefer to install using that installer, and purchase a license from Nero (who perhaps otherwise wouldn't have bought it), Ahead comes out ahead (pun intended ) in any case.
And perhaps should take it as a wake-up call. Why would many people prefer such a "lite" version, yet still pay the full license to Nero? And why have so many written to forums such as this one, complaining about the bloatware, about the forced installation of Nero Scout, etc.? Ahead should listen to the wishes of its customers, and leave more flexibility in installation, including making Scout and its background monitor optional features. Fine to have the extra features for those who want them, but let the user decide!
Actually, it looks like that "Lite" version doesn't allow for much choice either It installs a fixed set of Nero programs- a much smaller subset than what the regular Nero installer installs, but still not much choice for the user. And what if one wants Recode or Nero Vision, not included with Nero Lite?
In any case, I hope Ahead improves its installation procedure, leaving more choice to the user. Thank you.
Garf, can you please answer my two questions (Yahoo! Toolbar and your "title" change)? Thanks.
I don't understand why you keep asking about the Yahoo Toolbar. If someone wants it, they can download it from Yahoo for free, and install it. Why should it be bundled with Nero? I have always used the version without YT.