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Reply #200 –
Sure  I understand..

What about foo_podz ?
 

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Reply #202 –
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Notes about Mount/Unmount iPod commands:
* Requires iPodService to be installed. You can get this by installing the iPod Updater.
* Since the iPodService COM interface is undocumented, you use this entirely at your own risk.
* Seems to be somewhat temperamental currently, you may receive an “Invalid iPod Handle” error intermittently


You don't need the iPodService for unmounting - just use the windows remove removable stuff feature.

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Reply #203 –
Quote from: Chronial on
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Notes about Mount/Unmount iPod commands:
* Requires iPodService to be installed. You can get this by installing the iPod Updater.
* Since the iPodService COM interface is undocumented, you use this entirely at your own risk.
* Seems to be somewhat temperamental currently, you may receive an “Invalid iPod Handle” error intermittently
You don't need the iPodService for unmounting - just use the windows remove removable stuff feature.
It's not actual unmounting. It's unproper and also cuts the power supply from the ipod, which unmounting doesn't.

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Reply #204 –
Where have you heard that?
The windows removal flushes the cache and removes the drivers for the device - just like the ipod unmounting does. But the windows unmounting notifies the OS that is has done so (makes the icon in the taskbar disappear) - so it is even mor "proper" that the ipod unmounting.
I don't think it's possible at all at software-level to stop the usb power supply.

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Reply #205 –
Quote from: Chronial on
Where have you heard that?
The windows removal flushes the cache and removes the drivers for the device - just like the ipod unmounting does. But the windows unmounting notifies the OS that is has done so (makes the icon in the taskbar disappear) - so it is even mor "proper" that the ipod unmounting.
I don't think it's possible at all at software-level to stop the usb power supply.


iPodService definately has a special way of doing it. I only use firewire, as I don't have USB2.0, but with firewire, using the windows unmounting unmounts it permantly, ie. the only way to re-mount it is to reconnect it. However it keeps charging. But when iPodService unmounts it I can re-mount it whenever I without unplugging it or interrupting charging.

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Reply #206 –
So the only difference is that the iPod unmount doesn't unmount completely but only certain layers of the driver - this stops you from beeing able to access the ipod, but it can be remounted.
But I don't see why windows unmounts the iPod unproperly - just because it unmounts it completely?

(For Firewire the same is true as for USB - the OS doesn't have control over the power supply the port provides)

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Reply #207 –
Quote from: Chronial on
So the only difference is that the iPod unmount doesn't unmount completely but only certain layers of the driver - this stops you from beeing able to access the ipod, but it can be remounted.
But I don't see why windows unmounts the iPod unproperly - just because it unmounts it completely?

(For Firewire the same is true as for USB - the OS doesn't have control over the power supply the port provides)
I think iPodService polls the device to check that it isn't doing an operation, which windows unmount sometimes doesn't do... All I can tell you is that I've seen an iPod get fscked by unmouting it with windows.  It generally won't cause a problem if you're not doing anything, but I regard it as the same kind of thing as directly unplugging it.

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Reply #208 –
That's just not true. There are 2 reasons why you should never unplug a hard-disk (like the iPod as seen by windows) without unmounting it:
1. There might be a file opened by an aplication - if the file is written at the moment of unplugging, the file will get corrupt.
2. Even if no file is opened, all harddisks have a writing cache - that means even thought the application thinks it has written the file, windows hasn't. So you have to make sure the writing cache is empty before unplugging the device.

Windows does ensure that no file is locked and the writing cache is empty. You can try it: open a file with an application that locks it (lock != open). I think MS Word does - then try to windows-unmount it: error.

Suddenly removing the connectivity (not the power-supply) of a hard-disk should never affect the drive at all (but it may or quite probably will affect the data on it).

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Reply #209 –
Quote from: funkyblue on
I am wondering how I can get this plugin to copy songs from my Ipod to my HD? Is there a way? I have YamiPod, but would really like to be able to do it all my ITunes...Thanks :)

Install the plugin, connect your iPod, open foo, file->ipod->load library, go to the new playlist it creates, select all the songs you want to copy, right click->file operations->move, rename, or copy files, set it to copy and pick the naming format and destination you prefer, click Run.  That will copy them to your hard drive for you.

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Reply #210 –
Should foo_dop allow duplicate files to be copied to the iPod?

Thx.

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Reply #211 –
Quote from: Chronial on
2. Even if no file is opened, all harddisks have a writing cache - that means even thought the application thinks it has written the file, windows hasn't. So you have to make sure the writing cache is empty before unplugging the device.

Windows does ensure that no file is locked and the writing cache is empty. You can try it: open a file with an application that locks it (lock != open). I think MS Word does - then try to windows-unmount it: error.

Suddenly removing the connectivity (not the power-supply) of a hard-disk should never affect the drive at all (but it may or quite probably will affect the data on it).


Windows does not cache data on removeable disk drives by default.  Plug in your Ipod, goto Device manager and see for yourself.  Theres no harm to unplugging the ipod provided you know that nothing is writing to its database.  In foobar this is practically a nonissue since foobar only accesses the disk when you tell it to.

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Reply #212 –
Hello,

is it possible, with foo_dop or another plugin to set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value without having an ipod connected? Since the Information is stored in the file's metadata I don't see any reason why this feature is only available by copying the files to the ipod. Since foo_pod messed up my ipod database and all my rating and playing counters were lost i manage my ipod only by itunes but i'm looking for a tool which can set the soundcheck value to replaygain levels. Not only for using on ipod but also for playback in iTunes.

Anyone an idea?

Greetings, Kamil.

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Reply #213 –
I believe soundcheck is stored in a database, not in the files. As such, the answer would be 'no'.  Categorically. Sorry.

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Reply #214 –
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I believe soundcheck is stored in a database, not in the files. As such, the answer would be 'no'.  Categorically. Sorry.


The soundcheck vlaue is stored as a comment tag in the file´s metadata. It starts with "iTunNORM ....."

I found only one program that can set the soundcheck value to the replaygain value but it doesn´t work with m4a files and also has some problems with different kinds of ID3 tags. I tried to modify the source code to fit my files, but I only got it to work with mp3.

You can find it here:
http://uclc.info/ipod/

For sure it would be much easier to make a separate option in foo_dop or foo_pod to equalize the values because it already seems to work.

Good Night, Kamil

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Reply #215 –
You'd probably have to have a modified mp4 parser to do that.

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Reply #217 –
Quote from: TrNSZ on
While that is the case, (and correct me if I'm wrong) the iPod does not actually read any metadata from the files, it uses the database. 

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, if the data isn't in the database, it doesn't matter what metadata exists in the files or not or what format it's in.  It means nothing when it comes to operation of the iPod.


Yeah, but I think he wants to import replaygain data into iTunes too, which will read the file tags.

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Reply #218 –
Quote from: Mike Giacomelli on
Quote from: TrNSZ on

While that is the case, (and correct me if I'm wrong) the iPod does not actually read any metadata from the files, it uses the database. 

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, if the data isn't in the database, it doesn't matter what metadata exists in the files or not or what format it's in.  It means nothing when it comes to operation of the iPod.


Yeah, but I think he wants to import replaygain data into iTunes too, which will read the file tags.


That's the point. I want the files to have the right soundcheck value in the metadata corresponding to the replaygain value. Then I would transfer them to ipod with the standard itunes procedure. I just want iTunes to manage my ipod database instead of any other applications but with the corrected soundcheck values. If foo_dop olny changes the database entry without changing the metadata (because ipod apparent can't read it), I'm in the wrong thread 

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Reply #219 –
Quote from: Kamil on
Quote from: Mike Giacomelli on

Quote from: TrNSZ on

While that is the case, (and correct me if I'm wrong) the iPod does not actually read any metadata from the files, it uses the database. 

I may be wrong, but as far as I know, if the data isn't in the database, it doesn't matter what metadata exists in the files or not or what format it's in.  It means nothing when it comes to operation of the iPod.


Yeah, but I think he wants to import replaygain data into iTunes too, which will read the file tags.


That's the point. I want the files to have the right soundcheck value in the metadata corresponding to the replaygain value. Then I would transfer them to ipod with the standard itunes procedure. I just want iTunes to manage my ipod database instead of any other applications but with the corrected soundcheck values. If foo_dop olny changes the database entry without changing the metadata (because ipod apparent can't read it), I'm in the wrong thread   


AFAIK foo_dop makes no modification to the files, at all.

You should back up your iTunesDB file, and try using foo_dop, if you haven't already. It is of a much higher  quality than foo_pod and you will probably find it does not mess up your database, and that you can scrap iTunes altogether (don't uninstall it though because the iPodService is useful)

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Reply #220 –
Quote from: david_dl on
AFAIK foo_dop makes no modification to the files, at all.

You should back up your iTunesDB file, and try using foo_dop, if you haven't already. It is of a much higher  quality than foo_pod and you will probably find it does not mess up your database, and that you can scrap iTunes altogether (don't uninstall it though because the iPodService is useful)


Ok, I think, I'll take a look on foo_dop when I'm back from my vacations. The thing that was very disturbing for me using foo_pod is, that it doesn't have a multi column overview. iTunes has a great search function in my opinion and I also use very often the different sorting options, looking at the ratings, the play counter etc.

In foo_pod you can only see the files and everything else is available in the properties of each file. I am a big fan of foobar, especially because of it's ability to playback files in archives, but i never have more than a few albums at the same time in foobar. In contrast to that, I have now over 2500 files on my iPod and the iTunes interface is very helpful to keep an overview.

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Reply #221 –
Quote from: Kamil on
In foo_pod you can only see the files and everything else is available in the properties of each file. I am a big fan of foobar, especially because of it's ability to playback files in archives, but i never have more than a few albums at the same time in foobar. In contrast to that, I have now over 2500 files on my iPod and the iTunes interface is very helpful to keep an overview.
Just set up a ColumnsUI formatting string and make your rating, etc. columns available...

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Reply #222 –
Will there be a possibility to use MTP-compatible devices with this, or perhaps a similar plugin?
There's a storm on the loose, there's sirens in my head...

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Reply #223 –
Quote from: Ken-chan on
Will there be a possibility to use MTP-compatible devices with this, or perhaps a similar plugin?

Just copy the files individually. it's mass-storage, anyways.

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Reply #224 –
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Quote from: Ken-chan on

Will there be a possibility to use MTP-compatible devices with this, or perhaps a similar plugin?

Just copy the files individually. it's mass-storage, anyways.


Eh? Sorry, your post made 0 sence to me. I want to use Foobar to keep track of everything. Also, MPT isn't MSC at all - That's the entire thought behind it.

What if, per example, I were running an unservicepacked WinXP?  Not that I do, but there's Foobar, but no MTP (afaik).
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