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Is this possible?

Here's my question: I currently use & probably will continue to archive my music in the FLAC format on DVD-R & CD-R discs. Is it possible to make a DVD-Video disc that has the same high-quality audio information as the CDs the data originated from? I would like to do this instead of going DVD-Audio for just CD-quality audio, as DVDs are now cheaper (per gigabyte) than CDs (even Taiyo Yuden-brand ones!) and can store much more data. There's a lot of DVD players out there and I figure that it may be possible do this using currently existing authoring software...

What do you think?

Is this possible?

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Most authoring software should let you do PCM. If you don't want video the above program is probably the best way to go though.

Is this possible?

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Audio DVD Creator:
http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/
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Hmmmmm... doesn't that resamples to 48 KHz?

Sergio

Edit: Answer to myself: No!
Edit 2: Wrong! Yes! Checked. batagy (see below) is right: it resamples to PCM (48 or 96 KHz, 16 or 24 bits) or compress to AC3 (2.0 or 5.1 from 96 to 640 Kbps) 
Sergio
M-Audio Delta AP + Revox B150 + (JBL 4301B | Sennheiser Amperior | Sennheiser HD598)

Is this possible?

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Here's my question: I currently use & probably will continue to archive my music in the FLAC format on DVD-R & CD-R discs. Is it possible to make a DVD-Video disc that has the same high-quality audio information as the CDs the data originated from? I would like to do this instead of going DVD-Audio for just CD-quality audio, as DVDs are now cheaper (per gigabyte) than CDs (even Taiyo Yuden-brand ones!) and can store much more data. There's a lot of DVD players out there and I figure that it may be possible do this using currently existing authoring software...

What do you think?
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Thanks, but anything freely available? Anything more readily available, like Nero or K3b, can do this? Or does this thing need to do something special? I shouldn't even need menus. (I don't want to lose half a DVD just for a blank video screen either.)

Is this possible?

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Using some free program to convert your files to PCM (dBpowerAmp) you can then burn them using nero or any other dvd-creation software. I don't see where that would be a problem.
Just an average nerd!

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Using some free program to convert your files to PCM (dBpowerAmp) you can then burn them using nero or any other dvd-creation software. I don't see where that would be a problem.
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And then you'll be able to play them on a DVD player? 
Sergio
M-Audio Delta AP + Revox B150 + (JBL 4301B | Sennheiser Amperior | Sennheiser HD598)

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Using some free program to convert your files to PCM (dBpowerAmp) you can then burn them using nero or any other dvd-creation software. I don't see where that would be a problem.
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By 'PCM', do you mean just WAV files or the completely raw format? As you may know, WAV is actually a container, like Ogg & AVI. So if I only need WAV files, fine. I got them already from my CDs (well, in FLAC format but I can easily decompress).

BTW, after I have the files decoded & all, what would I need to do in, say, Nero? Select burn as a DVD-Video (movie) disc then drop the WAV files into the window where it's expecting VOB/IFO files?

Is this possible?

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Except that adam917 is looking to make a DVD-V disc with audio, not a DVD-A disc
"You can fight without ever winning, but never win without a fight."  Neil Peart  'Resist'

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Is it possible to make a DVD-Video disc that has the same high-quality audio information as the CDs the data originated from?

If you want to have exactly the same audio quality in DVD-Video disc than on CD-Audio, and if you are a perfectionist, that's not possible! Just because DVD-Video cannot store 44,1 kHz 16 bit sound, so the wav files from the CD-Audio must be resampled anyway. But if resampling let's say 48 kHz is good for you, it's OK.

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I would like to do this instead of going DVD-Audio for just CD-quality audio, as DVDs are now cheaper (per gigabyte) than CDs (even Taiyo Yuden-brand ones!) and can store much more data.

I don't really understand this, home DVD-Audio can be burned to the same cheap DVD-R or DVD+R like DVD-Videos.

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There's a lot of DVD players out there and I figure that it may be possible do this using currently existing authoring software...

Nowadays there are very cheap DVD-Audio players. For authoring software, there is the open source dvda-author mentioned above.

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Hmmmmm... doesn't that resamples to 48 KHz?

Sergio

Edit: Answer to myself: No!

You're not right, Goland Audio DVD Creator IS resampling to 48 kHz.

So basically, your have three options:
- create DVD-Audio with dvda-author, from your flac files.
- create DVD-Video with Goland Audio DVD Creator
- some DVD players (I don't know what models) can play wav files directly from a DVD-Rom, just like as it would Mp3. Maybe Kiss or similar players can do that.

(I searched for a cheap DVD player, which can play flac files natively, but I didn't found any.)
My suggestion is to use the dvda-author. Check the link mentioned above by kjoonlee.

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Is it possible to make a DVD-Video disc that has the same high-quality audio information as the CDs the data originated from?

If you want to have exactly the same audio quality in DVD-Video disc than on CD-Audio, and if you are a perfectionist, that's not possible! Just because DVD-Video cannot store 44,1 kHz 16 bit sound, so the wav files from the CD-Audio must be resampled anyway. But if resampling let's say 48 kHz is good for you, it's OK.

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I would like to do this instead of going DVD-Audio for just CD-quality audio, as DVDs are now cheaper (per gigabyte) than CDs (even Taiyo Yuden-brand ones!) and can store much more data.

I don't really understand this, home DVD-Audio can be burned to the same cheap DVD-R or DVD+R like DVD-Videos.

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There's a lot of DVD players out there and I figure that it may be possible do this using currently existing authoring software...

Nowadays there are very cheap DVD-Audio players. For authoring software, there is the open source dvda-author mentioned above.

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Hmmmmm... doesn't that resamples to 48 KHz?

Sergio

Edit: Answer to myself: No!

You're not right, Goland Audio DVD Creator IS resampling to 48 kHz.

So basically, your have three options:
- create DVD-Audio with dvda-author, from your flac files.
- create DVD-Video with Goland Audio DVD Creator
- some DVD players (I don't know what models) can play wav files directly from a DVD-Rom, just like as it would Mp3. Maybe Kiss or similar players can do that.

(I searched for a cheap DVD player, which can play flac files natively, but I didn't found any.)
My suggestion is to use the dvda-author. Check the link mentioned above by kjoonlee.
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OK. So I guess DVD-Audio it will have to be. :-\ Now, if I insert a home-made DVD-Audio disc into a random DVD player, what's the chances that it will run the disc? How much of these players are portable?

If I wanted to resample to just be able to listen on anything that can run a DVD disc (the majority of players just don't handle DVD-Audio and I don't think this can be proved wrong yet, due to DVD-A coming around almost a full 3 years after DVD-Video and the fact that it has a very small market right now), than I might as well go with an AC-3 encoding (like 640 kbps), as 44.1 -> 48 kHz is lossy anyway...

Is this possible?

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It looks like Audio DVD Creator demo is no longer available.
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Luckily, I have the full version since a few days ago...

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OK. So I guess DVD-Audio it will have to be. :-\ Now, if I insert a home-made DVD-Audio disc into a random DVD player, what's the chances that it will run the disc? How much of these players are portable?
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I don't know what is the percentage of DVD-Audio capable players on the DVD player market. The DVD player must support DVD-Audio if you would play it.
What do you mean by portable players?

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If I wanted to resample to just be able to listen on anything that can run a DVD disc (the majority of players just don't handle DVD-Audio and I don't think this can be proved wrong yet, due to DVD-A coming around almost a full 3 years after DVD-Video and the fact that it has a very small market right now), than I might as well go with an AC-3 encoding (like 640 kbps), as 44.1 -> 48 kHz is lossy anyway...
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Yes, you can do that. A DVD-Video compliant disc can be played everywhere. In the case of AC3, you'll have many hours music on one DVD.

Just one another thing to mention: if you would to play all your music on the DVD continuosly, without any intervention, then you should choose DVD-Video format, because as far as I know, according the DVD-Audio specification, playing always stops at the end of a group in the case of DVD-Audio.

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OK. So I guess DVD-Audio it will have to be. :-\ Now, if I insert a home-made DVD-Audio disc into a random DVD player, what's the chances that it will run the disc? How much of these players are portable?
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I don't know what is the percentage of DVD-Audio capable players on the DVD player market. The DVD player must support DVD-Audio if you would play it.
What do you mean by portable players?

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If I wanted to resample to just be able to listen on anything that can run a DVD disc (the majority of players just don't handle DVD-Audio and I don't think this can be proved wrong yet, due to DVD-A coming around almost a full 3 years after DVD-Video and the fact that it has a very small market right now), than I might as well go with an AC-3 encoding (like 640 kbps), as 44.1 -> 48 kHz is lossy anyway...
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Yes, you can do that. A DVD-Video compliant disc can be played everywhere. In the case of AC3, you'll have many hours music on one DVD.

Just one another thing to mention: if you would to play all your music on the DVD continuosly, without any intervention, then you should choose DVD-Video format, because as far as I know, according the DVD-Audio specification, playing always stops at the end of a group in the case of DVD-Audio.
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For 'portable players', I mean the kind you can take with you and are not the size of VCRs. These usually have a little screen that ranges from a size of about 8 to 32 centimetres.

Stopping at the end of a Group would make sense, if the group was, say, all of one artist's music, or an album.

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For 'portable players', I mean the kind you can take with you and are not the size of VCRs. These usually have a little screen that ranges from a size of about 8 to 32 centimetres.[a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=344921"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Ah, I see. I don't know is there such a model, you should search for it.

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Stopping at the end of a Group would make sense, if the group was, say, all of one artist's music, or an album.
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Yes, usually one group means one album.