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Reply #150 –
Quote from: Pepzhez on
Quote from: knucklehead on

I'm trying some perfect condition CDs now, and 10.2 paranoia does seem to be producing the same errors as I've been getting with the slightly scratched CD that I've been using up to now. Not audible, but enough to mess up the AR report. All I've looked at so far are nearly identical blips at just before the end of the track.


Update to 20080921 and try it now. I just tested this, and the issue has been resolved. !0.2 in secure test and copy mode is now working correctly. No more CRC mismatches.

He also fixed the enhanced CD issue. Works perfectly now!

Once again, very impressive support.

Thanks, tmkk!


It's still there for me with the Matshita.
If I'm at all right about this being similar to the problem I had with the old paranoia and my old Matshita, I've never seen any problem remotely like that with any other drive. This might just be related to this specific hardware, which is last falls generation of iBook.
I haven't seen any cases yet of this current small glitch issue with other drives, but I haven't been trying them much - all my time I've been spending with the program has been spent looking at this issue on the Matshita.
I'm moving on now to focus the much better/faster drives that I'll actually be using for ripping.

My Plextor 230 now runs at full speed with XLD! This is great. Before the only ripper it would work at all fast with was iTunes.

Another thanks to tmkk.
I'm can see we're getting very close to where it will be worth the time to re-rip my CD collection with XLD.

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For the old CDParanoia issue - How about label the box something like "Desperation Mode - Try only if CD cant be ripped, and can't be repaired. Might provide acceptable results"
That's about the only use I see for the old ripper.
If having the engine included is getting in the way of development, make the first small help file something to that effect, and provide a link to an old version of XLD with the old engine included.

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Reply #151 –
Quote from: The Link on
I can rip the hidden track 0 of "Songs for the Deaf" fine so I think it has sth. to do with the capabilities of your drive.


Thanks - I did suspect the drive was at play here too. I'll need to go back and check the specifics, but I recall a >2 second pregap, albeit smaller than the Songs For The Deaf track 0, being ripped okay on the drive - an internal Matshita UJ-85J.

Out of interest, what drive are you using that successfully ripped track 0 on SFTD?

Thanks.

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Reply #153 –
Is performing a burst rip really an optimal method for checking possible C2 errors??

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Reply #154 –
hello, macman. first and foremost, thank you for such an effective piece of software for the mac. your work will hopefully pay off soon.

i'd like to suggest a "total track" field among the tags, so that when importing to audio players it will detail, for example, "Track 5 of 17." i've also found that although there is a "disc total" field, the setting does not save correctly (at least in lame mp3.) if you have the time, would you please solve this?

also useful and time-saving would be the option to save to seperate folders when decoding to multiple formats. for example, it would be great to set "MP3" and "FLAC" subfolders within the album's main folder automatically and have the respective songs, cue and log go in each. this would make the entire process incredibly simple.

i'm sorry i've gone over my limit of feature requests, but i would also love to see the ability to export m3u playlists.

that's all for now  i'm so impressed by xld; i think you've done a wonderful job, especially since you're the only coder. keep up the excellent work!

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Reply #155 –
Quote from: hyro1 on
i'd like to suggest a "total track" field among the tags, so that when importing to audio players it will detail, for example, "Track 5 of 17." i've also found that although there is a "disc total" field, the setting does not save correctly (at least in lame mp3.) if you have the time, would you please solve this?

also useful and time-saving would be the option to save to seperate folders when decoding to multiple formats. for example, it would be great to set "MP3" and "FLAC" subfolders within the album's main folder automatically and have the respective songs, cue and log go in each. this would make the entire process incredibly simple.

The "comment" field also doesn't save for me when ripping to FLAC.  Haven't tested the others.

And I love the second idea.

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Reply #156 –
Quote from: brstp on
The "comment" field also doesn't save for me when ripping to FLAC.  Haven't tested the others.

And I love the second idea.

Neither does the Album Artist field (I don't know what it uses, though, BAND or ALBUMARTIST).

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Reply #157 –
Quote from: Pepzhez on
Is performing a burst rip really an optimal method for checking possible C2 errors??


Short answer: yes.

Medium answer: yes, that's what dbpoweramp does if you enable C2.

Long answer:  Technically, C2 could be used for either burst or "secure" reads.

My understanding of the difference between a burst rip and a secure rip is as follows:

1. Both rip types can and usually do use the same read command and flags/options.
2. The primary difference in a burst read vs. a secure read is in the pattern of reads for a track.

Burst reads data in approximately same-sized chunks (groups of frames) from the first frame to the last frame of a track with no backtracking and it reads the target data only once (well, unless you tell it to perform two passes, e.g. with a test & copy approach, where everything is read twice).

Secure reads a certain number of same-size chunks (groups of frames), a subset of the track, backtracks and reads them again, overlapping a small (or large) amount of data when it backtracks to provide for synchronization (lining up the data).

So, if a drive provides Accurate Stream capabilities and the capability is not buggy, then a test & copy approach with two bursts should be about as reliable at detecting non-repeatable* errors as a secure pass.  And because there's only one non-optimal head reposition with burst (vs. dozens or hundreds with secure) it runs faster.

However, if a drive doesn't provide a reliable Accurate Stream capability (either it doesn't have it or the implementation is buggy), a secure rip can (or may) provide a more reliable read of the track, due primarily to synchronization when the drive doesn't align the data exactly where you asked it to do so.  Double however: it is unheard of for contemporary drives to not provide Accurate Stream...but there are a very small minority of contemporary drives that have bugs with the feature on some discs.

-brendan

* of course, repeatable errors might get missed, which is why it is nice to have a drive with good C2 support where they would be caught.

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Reply #158 –
Quote from: hyro1 on
hello, macman. first and foremost, thank you for such an effective piece of software for the mac. your work will hopefully pay off soon.

i'd like to suggest a "total track" field among the tags, so that when importing to audio players it will detail, for example, "Track 5 of 17." i've also found that although there is a "disc total" field, the setting does not save correctly (at least in lame mp3.) if you have the time, would you please solve this?

also useful and time-saving would be the option to save to seperate folders when decoding to multiple formats. for example, it would be great to set "MP3" and "FLAC" subfolders within the album's main folder automatically and have the respective songs, cue and log go in each. this would make the entire process incredibly simple.

i'm sorry i've gone over my limit of feature requests, but i would also love to see the ability to export m3u playlists.

that's all for now  i'm so impressed by xld; i think you've done a wonderful job, especially since you're the only coder. keep up the excellent work!

hyro1 the developer of XLD is tmkk.  tmkk deserves all the credit!    I only try to maintain the HA members suggestions for XLD in hopefully an organized format.  Please read the 1st post of this thread to familarize yourself with some the features that have been suggested and the responses from tmkk about them.

I checked the "total track" field for Lame MP3 and it appears you are correct that tag info is not being saved correctly.  I will place this issue on the list for tmkk to look at.  Please read the first post of this thread to learn about separate folders feature.  This has already been implemented in XLD.  The only issue with the feature is that if your were to select Save as single file(+cue) because you wanted to archive using a lossless format and use a lossy format for your digital  audio player you can not select Include pregap in the previous track to output individual files(Both formats will be created as a Save as file(+cue). 

The workaround for this is to 1st rip or save the lossless format with the following Format of filename setting located the Preference menu under the General tab to (%A/%T/%f/%T), also remember to Set the output directory to where you desire the file to be saved.  Next open the lossless format that you just saved with the cue sheet and select the lossy format you want and set the Format of filename setting to (%A/%T/%f/%n %t).  You should have both formats in separate folders Artist, Album, Format.  Note currently the log report is placed under where you specified using Set  Output directory under Preferences General tab. Just locate the log report and drag into lossless folder that you saved in the first 1st step.  The log report issue will be reported tmkk.

Ability to export m3u playlists has been suggested already please check the 1st post of this thread.

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Reply #159 –
WTF?!

I'm ripping absurdly fast now that the C2 option was made available and I enabled it (along with the new paranoia release).

In fact, I'm ripping faster than I have with any other ripper since I got my Mac. I know that this is supposed to be a good thing... but I feel like I'm doing something wrong!

Before I'd be lucky if I got to 5x, and now I'm averaging 10x.

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Reply #160 –
As long as you are certain that your drive supports C2 properly, you're not doing anything wrong.

If your drive doesn't support C2, then you're getting incorrect CRCs for every track.

Regardless, I'm not using C2 (my Pioneer drives don't do it) and I'm still getting speeds of 10x with cdparanoia 10.2 test and copy. That's twice as fast as XLD was before cdparanoia 10.2 was integrated.

It's quite nice.

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Reply #162 –
That's what XLD is doing with drives known not to support C2, such as the Pioneer DVR-108. I have no idea why XLD is doing that, but I'll be the first to admit that C2 ripping is an unknown area to me. Don't take my word for it. Here are some logs.

A proper test before copy rip, without C2:

Code: [Select]
X Lossless Decoder version 20080921a (93.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-21 13:25:44 -0500

The Beatles / The Beatles (White Album) [Disc 1]

Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-108 (revision 1.17)

Use cdparanoia mode     : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache     : OK for the drive with cache less than 2750KB
Make use of C2 pointers : NO
Read offset correction  : 48
Max retry count         : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  | 00:00:33 | 02:43:07 |        33    |    12264   
        2  | 02:43:40 | 03:56:38 |     12265    |    30002   
        3  | 06:40:03 | 02:17:67 |     30003    |    40344   
        4  | 08:57:70 | 03:08:63 |     40345    |    54507   
        5  | 12:06:58 | 01:01:25 |     54508    |    59107   
        6  | 13:08:08 | 03:05:50 |     59108    |    73032   
        7  | 16:13:58 | 04:45:15 |     73033    |    94422   
        8  | 20:58:73 | 02:43:45 |     94423    |   106692   
        9  | 23:42:43 | 02:28:52 |    106693    |   117844   
       10  | 26:11:20 | 02:03:20 |    117845    |   127089   
       11  | 28:14:40 | 02:18:23 |    127090    |   137462   
       12  | 30:32:63 | 02:04:27 |    137463    |   146789   
       13  | 32:37:15 | 03:41:18 |    146790    |   163382   
       14  | 36:18:33 | 03:42:05 |    163383    |   180037   
       15  | 40:00:38 | 01:41:35 |    180038    |   187647   
       16  | 41:41:73 | 01:46:02 |    187648    |   195599   
       17  | 43:28:00 | 02:54:15 |    195600    |   208664   

List of alternate offset correction values
        #  | Absolute | Relative | Confidence 
    ------------------------------------------
        1  |    193   |    145   |     77     
        2  |    -74   |   -122   |      8     
        3  |    746   |    698   |      8     
        4  |    898   |    850   |      5     

Track 02
    Filename : /Test1b/02 - Dear Prudence.wav

    CRC32 hash (test run)  : A77425E0
    CRC32 hash             : A77425E0
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 64E2BAA8
    AccurateRip signature  : 667DE9A8
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 16)
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

Track 03
    Filename : /Test1b/03 - Glass Onion.wav

    CRC32 hash (test run)  : 6AC2C412
    CRC32 hash             : 6AC2C412
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 172F1133
    AccurateRip signature  : 0573A933
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 18)
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report
 

Now here's what happens when I engage C2. (Yes, I know that it is widely reported that this drive does not support C2):

Code: [Select]
X Lossless Decoder version 20080921a (93.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-21 13:36:54 -0500

The Beatles / The Beatles (White Album) [Disc 1]

Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-108 (revision 1.17)

Use cdparanoia mode     : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache     : OK for the drive with cache less than 2750KB
Make use of C2 pointers : YES
Read offset correction  : 48
Max retry count         : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  | 00:00:33 | 02:43:07 |        33    |    12264   
        2  | 02:43:40 | 03:56:38 |     12265    |    30002   
        3  | 06:40:03 | 02:17:67 |     30003    |    40344   
        4  | 08:57:70 | 03:08:63 |     40345    |    54507   
        5  | 12:06:58 | 01:01:25 |     54508    |    59107   
        6  | 13:08:08 | 03:05:50 |     59108    |    73032   
        7  | 16:13:58 | 04:45:15 |     73033    |    94422   
        8  | 20:58:73 | 02:43:45 |     94423    |   106692   
        9  | 23:42:43 | 02:28:52 |    106693    |   117844   
       10  | 26:11:20 | 02:03:20 |    117845    |   127089   
       11  | 28:14:40 | 02:18:23 |    127090    |   137462   
       12  | 30:32:63 | 02:04:27 |    137463    |   146789   
       13  | 32:37:15 | 03:41:18 |    146790    |   163382   
       14  | 36:18:33 | 03:42:05 |    163383    |   180037   
       15  | 40:00:38 | 01:41:35 |    180038    |   187647   
       16  | 41:41:73 | 01:46:02 |    187648    |   195599   
       17  | 43:28:00 | 02:54:15 |    195600    |   208664   

Track 02
    Filename : /Test1b/02 - Dear Prudence(1).wav

    CRC32 hash (test run)  : 9AC60E89
    CRC32 hash             : 9AC60E89
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : EFF8313A
    AccurateRip signature  : D61FD2B7
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

Track 03
    Filename : /Test1b/03 - Glass Onion(1).wav

    CRC32 hash (test run)  : 17B37529
    CRC32 hash             : 17B37529
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 53106564
    AccurateRip signature  : 3DBDC490
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report
 

Note the entirely different CRCs. Also note how the second log informs you that no errors occurred ... but the second log is still wrong (and AccurateRip backs me up on this). I can easily repeat (and have repeated) this behavior with any disc on this drive and the two others I've tried it with. (None of the drives support C2, according to the DAE Database.)

ffooky pointed this out the other day, in this very thread:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=589395

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Reply #163 –
Quote from: Pepzhez on
ffooky pointed this out the other day, in this very thread:

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....st&p=589395

Not exactly.

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Reply #164 –
The suspect alternate offsets indicated the problem. If he would've looked a little deeper, he would have noticed that something was amiss with the individual track CRC hashes.

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Reply #165 –
As far as I remember the CRCs and Accuraterip confidences were all kosher, it was just those alternate offsets that were worthy of note. I'll rip the same disc, same settings again and check.

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Reply #166 –
I ripped the disc again with C2 utilised and without. The results were identical and, look as deeply as I can, I see nothing amiss with the CRC hashes.

Code: [Select]
X Lossless Decoder version 20080921a (93.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-24 12:57:07 +0100

The White Stripes / De Stijl

Used drive : MATSHITA DVD-R   UJ-867 (revision HA13)

Use cdparanoia mode	 : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache	 : OK for the drive with cache less than 2750KB
Make use of C2 pointers : YES
Read offset correction  : 102
Max retry count		 : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
	 Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
	---------------------------------------------------------
		1  | 00:00:00 | 01:50:45 |		 0	|	 8294   
		2  | 01:50:45 | 02:36:15 |	  8295	|	20009   
		3  | 04:26:60 | 03:06:62 |	 20010	|	34021   
		4  | 07:33:47 | 02:13:23 |	 34022	|	44019   
		5  | 09:46:70 | 03:09:72 |	 44020	|	58266   
		6  | 12:56:67 | 04:29:68 |	 58267	|	78509   
		7  | 17:26:60 | 02:51:62 |	 78510	|	91396   
		8  | 20:18:47 | 03:14:43 |	 91397	|   105989   
		9  | 23:33:15 | 04:22:05 |	105990	|   125644   
	   10  | 27:55:20 | 01:58:30 |	125645	|   134524   
	   11  | 29:53:50 | 01:53:45 |	134525	|   143044   
	   12  | 31:47:20 | 03:22:22 |	143045	|   158216   
	   13  | 35:09:42 | 02:31:68 |	158217	|   169609   

List of alternate offset correction values
		#  | Absolute | Relative | Confidence 
	------------------------------------------
		1  |   -565   |   -667   |	 31	 
		2  |  -1244   |  -1346   |	 20	 
		3  |   -562   |   -664   |	  8	 

Track 01
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/01 The White Stripes - You're Pretty Good Looking (For A Girl).wav

	CRC32 hash			 : CA34AA96
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 86DC9CC9
	AccurateRip signature  : F477171E
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 02
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/02 The White Stripes - Hello Operator.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : FE871446
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 6BDF1FE5
	AccurateRip signature  : 6F635A60
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 03
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/03 The White Stripes - Little Bird.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 4091B0A2
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 752FF5C2
	AccurateRip signature  : CA7A3022
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 04
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/04 The White Stripes - Apple Blossom.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : D03CAEDB
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 4EA05498
	AccurateRip signature  : E6A37FB5
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 05
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/05 The White Stripes - I'm Bound to Pack it Up.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 94C47B5C
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 851E1F2B
	AccurateRip signature  : 569997EE
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 06
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/06 The White Stripes - Death Letter.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 120BE9FD
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : F84AF65C
	AccurateRip signature  : F69A0358
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 07
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/07 The White Stripes - Sister, Do You Know My Name?.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 8D2EEA32
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 4E82E76A
	AccurateRip signature  : 99589B16
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 08
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/08 The White Stripes - Truth Doesn't Make A Noise.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 0804B104
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : B4E5671D
	AccurateRip signature  : 25A5FF7D
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 09
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/09 The White Stripes - A Boy's Best Friend.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : CAEC3274
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 9B85EB93
	AccurateRip signature  : 6DCDC5EB
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 10
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/10 The White Stripes - Let's Build A Home.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : C36A2820
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : F62C1A8A
	AccurateRip signature  : 324A9D01
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 11
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/11 The White Stripes - Jumble, Jumble.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 3E6034B0
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 9B9BE9A9
	AccurateRip signature  : 7B940611
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 12
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/12 The White Stripes - Why Can't You Be Nicer To Me?.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 17195713
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 9E830602
	AccurateRip signature  : CBF1A3CD
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

Track 13
	Filename : /Users/daniellinhart/Documents/Conversions/13 The White Stripes - Your Southern Can Is Mine.wav

	CRC32 hash			 : 10402539
	CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 8201D677
	AccurateRip signature  : 6BCB092F
		->Accurately ripped! (confidence 14)
	Statistics
		Read error						   : 0
		Skipped (treated as error)		   : 0
		Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)	  : 0
		Drift error (maybe fixed)			: 0
		Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)	: 0
		Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
		Inconsistency in error sectors	   : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report

Anyone else noticed that the log is now named after the last track on the disc rather than the disc itself ?

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Reply #167 –
Quote from: ffooky on
I ripped the disc again with C2 utilised and without. The results were identical and, look as deeply as I can, I see nothing amiss with the CRC hashes.

...

Anyone else noticed that the log is now named after the last track on the disc rather than the disc itself ?


Yes, I also noticed that about the log naming.

Hmmmm. Is the Matshita UJ-867 acknowledged to be a good C2 ripping drive?

I have two Pioneer drives, and both drives produce the different set of CRCs for each and every track whenever I enable C2.

What settings are you using? Test before copy? Verify suspicious sectors? Both?

I wonder why I'm getting these bizarre results?

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Reply #168 –
Quote from: Pepzhez on
Hmmmm. Is the Matshita UJ-867 acknowledged to be a good C2 ripping drive?

I don't know about good but EAC passed it as using C2.

Quote
What settings are you using? Test before copy? Verify suspicious sectors? Both?

I use Verify suspicious sectors and Test before copy only when track does not exist in AccurateRip DB

I've always trusted the Pioneer drive in my eMac over any of the slot loaders but it seems the rather crappy Matshitas are actually superior for at least some purposes. Never thought I'd see the day

BTW, does the log I posted above appear in a little scrollable box to everyone but me or have I missed a setting to make it appear so ?

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Reply #169 –
Just tried again using a Pioneer DVR-K05; this time turning off test before copy and verify suspicious sectors. Same thing again.

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X Lossless Decoder version 20080921a (93.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-24 08:42:49 -0500

The Beatles / The Beatles (White Album) [Disc 1]

Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-K05 (revision Q523)

Use cdparanoia mode     : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache     : OK for the drive with cache less than 2750KB
Make use of C2 pointers : NO
Read offset correction  : 48
Max retry count         : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  | 00:00:33 | 02:43:07 |        33    |    12264   
        2  | 02:43:40 | 03:56:38 |     12265    |    30002   
        3  | 06:40:03 | 02:17:67 |     30003    |    40344   
        4  | 08:57:70 | 03:08:63 |     40345    |    54507   
        5  | 12:06:58 | 01:01:25 |     54508    |    59107   
        6  | 13:08:08 | 03:05:50 |     59108    |    73032   
        7  | 16:13:58 | 04:45:15 |     73033    |    94422   
        8  | 20:58:73 | 02:43:45 |     94423    |   106692   
        9  | 23:42:43 | 02:28:52 |    106693    |   117844   
       10  | 26:11:20 | 02:03:20 |    117845    |   127089   
       11  | 28:14:40 | 02:18:23 |    127090    |   137462   
       12  | 30:32:63 | 02:04:27 |    137463    |   146789   
       13  | 32:37:15 | 03:41:18 |    146790    |   163382   
       14  | 36:18:33 | 03:42:05 |    163383    |   180037   
       15  | 40:00:38 | 01:41:35 |    180038    |   187647   
       16  | 41:41:73 | 01:46:02 |    187648    |   195599   
       17  | 43:28:00 | 02:54:15 |    195600    |   208664   

List of alternate offset correction values
        #  | Absolute | Relative | Confidence 
    ------------------------------------------
        1  |    193   |    145   |     77     
        2  |    -74   |   -122   |      8     
        3  |    746   |    698   |      8     
        4  |    898   |    850   |      5     

Track 02
    Filename : /C2 test/02 - Dear Prudence.wav

    CRC32 hash             : A77425E0
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 64E2BAA8
    AccurateRip signature  : 667DE9A8
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 16)
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

Track 03
    Filename : /C2 test/03 - Glass Onion.wav

    CRC32 hash             : 6AC2C412
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 172F1133
    AccurateRip signature  : 0573A933
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 18)
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report
 

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X Lossless Decoder version 20080921a (93.0)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-24 08:48:56 -0500

The Beatles / The Beatles (White Album) [Disc 1]

Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-K05 (revision Q523)

Use cdparanoia mode     : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache     : OK for the drive with cache less than 2750KB
Make use of C2 pointers : YES
Read offset correction  : 48
Max retry count         : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  | 00:00:33 | 02:43:07 |        33    |    12264   
        2  | 02:43:40 | 03:56:38 |     12265    |    30002   
        3  | 06:40:03 | 02:17:67 |     30003    |    40344   
        4  | 08:57:70 | 03:08:63 |     40345    |    54507   
        5  | 12:06:58 | 01:01:25 |     54508    |    59107   
        6  | 13:08:08 | 03:05:50 |     59108    |    73032   
        7  | 16:13:58 | 04:45:15 |     73033    |    94422   
        8  | 20:58:73 | 02:43:45 |     94423    |   106692   
        9  | 23:42:43 | 02:28:52 |    106693    |   117844   
       10  | 26:11:20 | 02:03:20 |    117845    |   127089   
       11  | 28:14:40 | 02:18:23 |    127090    |   137462   
       12  | 30:32:63 | 02:04:27 |    137463    |   146789   
       13  | 32:37:15 | 03:41:18 |    146790    |   163382   
       14  | 36:18:33 | 03:42:05 |    163383    |   180037   
       15  | 40:00:38 | 01:41:35 |    180038    |   187647   
       16  | 41:41:73 | 01:46:02 |    187648    |   195599   
       17  | 43:28:00 | 02:54:15 |    195600    |   208664   

Track 02
    Filename : /C2 test/02 - Dear Prudence(1).wav

    CRC32 hash             : 9AC60E89
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : EFF8313A
    AccurateRip signature  : D61FD2B7
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

Track 03
    Filename : /C2 test/03 - Glass Onion(1).wav

    CRC32 hash             : 17B37529
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 53106564
    AccurateRip signature  : 3DBDC490
        ->Rip may not be accurate.
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report
 

I can only conclude that these Pioneer drives and C2 really don't like each other.  Why the different CRCs, though? Doesn't make sense to me. Oh, well.

ffooky, could you try comparing a track (C2 and non-C2) with your Pioneer drive? I'm wondering if all Pioneer drives do this.

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Reply #170 –
Just noticed something. All of these C2 ripped WAVs are screwed up. It's the XLD endian problem again.

XLD Requested Features List

Reply #171 –
DVR-106D DVD-RW    
DV-107D    DVD±R/RW    
DVR-108    DVD±R/RW    
DVR-112    DVD±R/RW

According to DAE Drive Features Database the Pioneer drives listed above do not support C2 Error Correction.  Pephez your drive is an earlier model not listed.  Your drive appears not to play nice with C2 like these other Pioneer drives.  Note the next Pioneer model listed is DVR-115 and it breaks ranks with other models in that it is listed as supporting C2 Error Correction.






Pepzhez are you using a PPC?

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Reply #172 –
I only just noticed that all of these C2 rips are producing WAVs with the wrong endian. There was a similar endian problem with certain discs with a previous XLD build. It was due to a libcdio bug that only affected PPC G5 machines. I'm thinking that this is related.

I just sent tmkk an email letting him know about this.

XLD Requested Features List

Reply #173 –
tmkk just released a new XLD version Version 20080924:

    * Fixed a problem that produced endian-swapped audio files on PPC machine when using C2 pointers
    * Updated LAME to version 3.98.2

Try this version!

XLD Requested Features List

Reply #174 –
And to think he just got my email 2 seconds ago..... How's THAT for a quick update?

Just kidding. He's obviously one step ahead of me.

EDIT: The update fixed it.

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X Lossless Decoder version 20080924 (93.1)

XLD extraction logfile from 2008-09-24 09:35:30 -0500

The Beatles / The Beatles (White Album) [Disc 1]

Used drive : PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-K05 (revision Q523)

Use cdparanoia mode     : YES (CDParanoia III 10.2 engine)
Disable audio cache     : OK for the drive with cache less than 2750KB
Make use of C2 pointers : YES
Read offset correction  : 48
Max retry count         : 100

TOC of the extracted CD
     Track |   Start  |  Length  | Start sector | End sector 
    ---------------------------------------------------------
        1  | 00:00:33 | 02:43:07 |        33    |    12264   
        2  | 02:43:40 | 03:56:38 |     12265    |    30002   
        3  | 06:40:03 | 02:17:67 |     30003    |    40344   
        4  | 08:57:70 | 03:08:63 |     40345    |    54507   
        5  | 12:06:58 | 01:01:25 |     54508    |    59107   
        6  | 13:08:08 | 03:05:50 |     59108    |    73032   
        7  | 16:13:58 | 04:45:15 |     73033    |    94422   
        8  | 20:58:73 | 02:43:45 |     94423    |   106692   
        9  | 23:42:43 | 02:28:52 |    106693    |   117844   
       10  | 26:11:20 | 02:03:20 |    117845    |   127089   
       11  | 28:14:40 | 02:18:23 |    127090    |   137462   
       12  | 30:32:63 | 02:04:27 |    137463    |   146789   
       13  | 32:37:15 | 03:41:18 |    146790    |   163382   
       14  | 36:18:33 | 03:42:05 |    163383    |   180037   
       15  | 40:00:38 | 01:41:35 |    180038    |   187647   
       16  | 41:41:73 | 01:46:02 |    187648    |   195599   
       17  | 43:28:00 | 02:54:15 |    195600    |   208664   

List of alternate offset correction values
        #  | Absolute | Relative | Confidence 
    ------------------------------------------
        1  |    193   |    145   |     77     
        2  |    -74   |   -122   |      8     
        3  |    746   |    698   |      8     
        4  |    898   |    850   |      5     

Track 02
    Filename : /C2 test/02 - Dear Prudence(3).wav

    CRC32 hash             : A77425E0
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 64E2BAA8
    AccurateRip signature  : 667DE9A8
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 16)
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

Track 03
    Filename : /C2 test/03 - Glass Onion(3).wav

    CRC32 hash             : 6AC2C412
    CRC32 hash (skip zero) : 172F1133
    AccurateRip signature  : 0573A933
        ->Accurately ripped! (confidence 18)
    Statistics
        Read error                           : 0
        Skipped (treated as error)           : 0
        Edge jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Atom jitter error (maybe fixed)      : 0
        Drift error (maybe fixed)            : 0
        Dropped bytes error (maybe fixed)    : 0
        Duplicated bytes error (maybe fixed) : 0
        Inconsistency in error sectors       : 0

No errors occurred

End of status report

So now the question is: if these Pioneer drives are reported not to be C2-compatible with EAC, does that necessarily apply to XLD as well? A shame that there's no way to actually test C2 compatibility with XLD (or with anything else on OS X).