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General Audio / Re: Vorbis better than opus?
Last post by bennetng -
People like you are the reason why we have stuff like MQA and 24-bit/192kHz downloads...
Those MQA believers/shills actually don't care about >20kHz performance.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/mqa-deep-dive-i-published-music-on-tidal-to-test-mqa.22549/post-808088

They worship the so-called time-domain performance, and think audio files don't follow the "rule" of triangular spectral decaying trend are not music.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/mqa-deep-dive-i-published-music-on-tidal-to-test-mqa.22549/post-802823
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/mqa-deep-dive-i-published-music-on-tidal-to-test-mqa.22549/post-803661

I don't know I've been listening to so many non-music for so many years, big thanks to those MQA shills teaching me what is music! LMAO.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/mqa-deep-dive-i-published-music-on-tidal-to-test-mqa.22549/post-802352
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/mqa-deep-dive-i-published-music-on-tidal-to-test-mqa.22549/post-807177

Of course, after losing the debate and thread-banned mansr, Amir locked the thread again, and continue to publish MQA DACs reviews with nice looking APx555 measurements.

Also a recommended thread for spectrophiles. Three pages to expose a liar.
https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php?topic=111736.0
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by Porcus -
dBpoweramp - from the creator of AccurateRip - operates roughly this way:
* Burst first. Checks AccurateRip, stops if verified
* Secure passes.
* If still issues: starts reading troublesome frames.

Because AccurateRip is tracks-based and omits the beginning and end, yes there can be errors where it isn't even included in the checksum. But if you verify both the AR database and the CUETools database, then we can relax our OCDs :-)
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by Cynic -
"Secure mode won't save you" - nor will Burst mode. But of the two I'd go with Secure T&C.

Secure mode is:
1. more likely to be fooled by consistent errors than Burst T&C and AccurateRip are
2. significantly slower
3. more stressful on the hardware

There is no justification for it to be the default ripping method. EAC's author, Andre Wiethoff, uses burst T&C by default with caching drives.

When there are no AR records to check against, it is often faster to do a Burst T&C in EAC, then another full rip with CUERipper and/or another drive and bit-compare the 2, than to wait for a full Secure mode rip.

EDIT: let alone a Secure T&C, now that's a royal waste of time.
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by JohnnySH -
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I'd be even happier if they only took 20mins).
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If you get a Plextor Premium II drive. a secure Rip is about 20 mins

just done 4 CDs that were hard work with the pressing / normal imaging ?, but managed a secure Rip successfully in about 20mins :-)
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by jaybeee -
Thanks for the info Cynic.

"Secure mode won't save you" - nor will Burst mode. But of the two I'd go with Secure T&C. But I don't have 1000s of discs to rip nor do I care about them taking 20-60mins (my drive tends to rip at 1-1.5x, so they take a while - and I'd be even happier if they only took 20mins).
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by Cynic -
So, with Secure Test & Copy you can be 100% sure of the result. With Burst Mode you cannot be 100% sure, even though many CDs will likely be fine if their AR confidence score is high.
This is false, Secure mode doesn't guarantee anything other than wasting time, consistent errors exist and even AccurateRip can sometimes be tricked by them, Secure mode much more so.

There is no 100% certainty in digital audio extraction. Defective and copy-protected discs will be troublesome no matter what, Secure mode won't save you.
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by JohnnySH -
JayBeee

Thank you for a very detailed explanation, I fully understand what you are saying...

And i am currently Ripping some Sounds Direct CD's from the 90s with a strange problem, they are taking ages to go through the Eac track gap analyst at the the beginning 15mins or so ? So there is something very strange with these pressings / disc rot etc,

So have chosen secure mode for these rips.

Thanks once again for everyone's input, its very much appreciated
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by jaybeee -
In Burst Mode it's possible to obtain a verified rip with an AccuratRip confirmation even though if you did a rip of the same CD in Secure Test & Copy mode you'd get sync and/or timing errors, because the CD has some manufacturing defect or is suffering from disc rot (like those CDs made by PDO UK in the early 90s.) I've some of those CDs and often the only way to rip them completely is in Burst Mode. If you're lucky the Test & Copy CRC will match and you may even get an AccurateRip confirmation. This is an extreme case and you will not get a high confidence, at best confidence 1 or 2, but this is just to say that with the Secure Mode you avoid that kind of cases.

So, in Burst mode it only means your results match those in AccurateRip's database. But if you're the only person to have ripped that CD, then you'll just get "Track not present" or a "Confidence 1" if you've already submitted the results of a previous rip. Or worse, you'll get no confirmation because you ripped a promotional pressing while other rips in AR's database are of the retail CD. In cases where AR's database doesn't hold much info I personally would prefer a rip done in Secure Mode and Test & Copy. But yeah, if you get a high Confidence result then it's highly likely the method doesn't matter much. Although you'll only know about that after the rip is done.

So, with Secure Test & Copy you can be 100% sure of the result. With Burst Mode you cannot be 100% sure, even though many CDs will likely be fine if their AR confidence score is high.

Perhaps the answer for you is to use Secure Test & Copy on CDs that are rare and/or lead to low confidence levels.

Hope that helps.
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CD Hardware/Software / Re: EAC, Plextor Premium II & CUE Sheet
Last post by Cynic -
Is image mode in EAC a more accurate Rip or is single Track more accurate

This has already been answered by jaybee but to re-iterate:
No, both modes are identical and can be converted losslessly to the other whenever you want with CUETools.

When ripping to tracks, if the disc has a hidden track at the start (HTOA), you need to extract it separately in EAC (if your drive is capable).
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