Quote from: Greenbeast on 2006-05-07 00:55:27

i don't know if this is something to do with wmptse or not but as a few of you have a lot of experience with flac and wmp

how can i get wmp to recognise flac files as media files when browsing my pc to add to the library?

It is the point of WMPTSE....If it does not work, you should report the problem and give :
1) what software do you use to encode the file in flac format (and if possible the flac version this program use)
2) what parameters do you use with it
3) what version of WMP do you use
4) what version of WMPTSE do you use

And then we maybe we could began to corner it

MaB_fr

Hum....

Back on track, boys, please  This thread is about WMPTSE if i do remember...

My point is more, how many people USE this...
Are every old "AIFF" users all using iTunes MP4 now ?
If so, i must say that i won't support AIFF without a very strong reason to do so (threating me to be forced to port it under vms maybe could be a strong one )
If not, how many users need this ?

MaB_fr

In a perfect world, a developper would take care of it for me (and i asked one already, who didn't answer) and it will be is responsability to do it (i've made WMPTSE pluggable just for this...it has not been a success so far  ). As we live in the real world, it seems i will be doing it...(and i'm not using MPEG4 files, so be happy  )

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I must add that WAV (and AVI, and so on) can be tagged with a RIFF info chunk...
It doesn't mean it's used and widely accepted...

Wrong - AIFF tagging is not only standard but widespread and used to handle all sorts of stuff.  AIFF (and other RIFF formats like WAVE) can be tagged using chunks or tagged using ID3 frames stored in a 'ID3 ' chunk.  I won't even mention that fact that AIFF or BWF (WAVE tags with standardized RIFF chunks used for tagging) are probably the most common audio files in professional audio. 

You are highly misinformed.  Most radio and television stations do exactly this, and it is one of the reasons why WAVE tags were standardized in BWF.  BWF has been an EBU standard for almost 10 years now.

I won't even mention the fact that programming for VMS is a joy compared to programming for Windows or UNIX, especially with descriptors and system call that make sense.  Let's not spread FUD and misinformation here.

1) i'm using EAC/MAREO with FLAC 1.1.2
2) scrON fileON mareo.ini %o %s %d "%a" "%g" "%t" "%n" %y "%m"
3) wmp 10.00.00.4019
4) how do i find the wmptse version?

it the tag propertyies in wmp it tells me it is not started yet, except that wmp is reading the tags and even supplying them to messenger correctly too

however the major issue i have is that when i click the 'add to library' button it doesn't show any flac files as 'media files', it only shows them if i select 'all files' in the drop down box

any help would be great

Like you I don't really have any MPEG4 files (I personally use WavPack (with APEv2 tags) and FLAC (with FLAC tags)) which you've already got support for - and I guess I'm too lazy as well biggrin.gif

Theres also the little problem that I don't have any Windows development tools laugh.gif

I won't even mention the fact that programming for VMS is a joy compared to programming for Windows or UNIX, especially with descriptors and system call that make sense. Let's not spread FUD and misinformation here.

...", so let's move on..."

VMS heritage may be old, but the latest IA64 OpenVMS release is newer than the latest Windows XP SP release.  OpenVMS 8.2-1/IA64 (production) was released in 12/2005 while OpenVMS 8.3-SDK (a developer) was released 03/2006.  If you are thinking about VMS 10 or 15 years ago (or you worked with a 10 or 15 year old release), then that would make as much as if I claimed that the 10 or 15 year old version of Windows was crap (which would mean I was referring to Windows 95 or Windows 3.0, respectively) so that means it still is crap.  VMS has undergone just as much development as other operating systems in this time.  Just because you might not have been using it or exposed to it does not mean it was standing still.

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And also, rja, I'll let you know that the AIFF/RIFF specifications have been pretty much unchanged since 1989 and have always been available.  If older applications aren't supporting it properly, it would be because the developers never bothered to read the documentation, available in what is essentially the final state since 1991.  I know that before the Internet revolution, this informatin was available from directly Apple, or via the Microsoft  dialup BBS (surely by 1993).  I won't argue that support is lacking, but it is NOT the fault of the format being unavailable.  Don't make excuses for poor programmers.

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Now, back to the subject at hand - tagging! 

RIFF chunk tags in AIFF files are extensively used by music production and mastering professional and their equipment, and RIFF tags in WAVE (BWT) is mainly used by "head-end" cable and satellite broadcast applications.  It is very true that they are almost completely unused for end-user playback applications. 

The RIFF chunk tagging specifications pre-date Unicode as well.  As such, this isn't the best choice for todays end-users to use to manage their collections of albums and music on home computers.

The only tagging standard that has widespread "end-user" user is the "ID3 " chunk, containing an ID3v2 frame, which can support "proper" tagging that would coherent and make sense for end-users.  While iXML chunks can contain rich metadata, most of it would be uninteresting for end-users managing their collections.

If you can add support for that kind of tag, it would be fantastic, and many people would appreciate it, as many other end user applications (such as iTunes) supports such.  This would meet the demands of almost all end-users.

Please understand that I agree with you completely.  But I also don't want anyone to think that just because they don't know about a particular standard or don't use it themselves that it is "not widespread" or, worse, "unsupported" or even "antiquated".  That isn't the case at all.

hey Mab cheers for that

Quote from: TrNSZ on 2006-05-23 13:51:10

The only tagging standard that has widespread "end-user" user is the "ID3 " chunk, containing an ID3v2 frame, which can support "proper" tagging that would coherent and make sense for end-users.  While iXML chunks can contain rich metadata, most of it would be uninteresting for end-users managing their collections.

If you can add support for that kind of tag, it would be fantastic, and many people would appreciate it, as many other end user applications (such as iTunes) supports such.  This would meet the demands of almost all end-users.

Anyway, i'll have a go on the iXML doc. Seems interesting.
And folks, i am NOT saying it will be in future release, it MAY be, MAY

MaB_fr

P.S. : the registry entry to add any format in all MS media players file selection dialog -
1) First add the simple "file description" in :
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Player\Extensions]
Add a string type named with the description ("FLAC Audio files (*.flac)") and with the extensions as value ("*.flac")

2) Add the description with index  in :
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Player\Extensions\Descriptions]
Take the last index number...add one and add a string type with this new number as name ("14" in my pc). Then use your description as value or some customised one if you prefer ("Free Lossless Audio Codec file (*.flac)")

3) Add the multimedia ui description in :
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Player\Extensions\MUIDescriptions]
Take the same index that you had in 2) (it there's already one, you've got a misconfigurated oldie)
Add a string type with this number as name ("14" in my pc). Then use a friendly description as value ("Free Lossless Audio Codec Files")

4) Add the file extension type in :
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Player\Extensions\Types]
Take the same index that you had in 2). Add a string type with this number as name ("14" in my pc). Then use the file name extension as value ("*.flac") separated by semi colon if there's more than one.

Here you are, relaunch WMP, it will work now....And pass the word to the directshow codec developper, it will help if i'm not obliged to support every filetype misconfiguration in the future

However, if you are still interested in iXML, you can find the official specification at ixml.info.  The standard types are things such as "scene", "tape", "production", "tape", etc.  These tags are very useful for studio audio and video production or mastering work, but are not likely to be or needed in an end-user playback applications.

actually - i spoke a little too soon. i've noticed two problems so far, one is that i can't seek within the flac files (but this is probably a directshow filter issue, not wmptse). the other is that i can't get the year tags to work... everything comes up as an unknown year. i'd appreciate it if someone else with wmp11 tries it out and lets me know if it's just a tagging issue with my files!

Attn: MaB_fr

For what its worth, your WMPTSE plugin can read tags from Apple Lossless Audio Compressed format files (aka. ALAC or ALE). These files use the file extension .m4a and the same file format as AAC (but obviously a different codec).

I say for what its worth because unfortunately I have not yet found a solution to let WMP play Apple Lossless format files 

If anyone knows how to get WMP to play Apple Lossless files I will be very grateful.

Note: I have got AAC working in WMP but AAC is not the samething as Apple Lossless.

I have discovered that even the latest (beta) firmware for the Roku Soundbridge does not actually support Apple Lossless! This is compared to the SlimDevices Squeezebox and the Sonos Zone Player, both of which do.

I actually have a Soundbridge M2000 and until now have been using it to access AIFF files served by iTunes.

Therefore I now consider AIFF once more to be the one true universal lossless file format. (AIFF is supported by WMP, WinAmp, VLC, MPlayer, iTunes, iPod, Roku Soundbridge, SlimDevices Squeezebox, Sonos Zone Player, etc. etc. etc., basically everything) FLAC is not supported by iPod and WAV does not support embedded art.

So once more having tag support for AIFF is the holy grail.

I would be happy to pay a shareware fee for this.

By the way, Windows Explorer shows WMPTSE 1.0.1 as being version 1.0 and so does WMP. However Add/Remove Programs does show it as 1.0.1 and I did specifically un-install it and re-install a fresh 1.0.1.

how can i check that my files are tagged?

i've just swapped over from having all my mp3 in wmp to having all my flacs instead but only a handful are coming up tagged

now i'm sure they were fine a couple of months back and they've all been ripped exactly the same way with EAC and MAREO