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Hydrogenaudio Forum => General Audio => Topic started by: Anakunda on 2012-11-28 19:49:35

Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: Anakunda on 2012-11-28 19:49:35
This is snapshot of one of the tracks of accurately ripped original CD with Eac (LOG 100%):

(http://thumb.screencast.com/2/613cbd99-70e9-4b78-96a6-29bb5241d3cc/thumb.gif) (http://content.screencast.com/users/nobody5/folders/Snagit/media/613cbd99-70e9-4b78-96a6-29bb5241d3cc/keys1.png) (http://thumb.screencast.com/2/ef33ce7c-2cd8-40c8-95b9-624eae1e213f/thumb.gif) (http://content.screencast.com/users/nobody5/folders/Snagit/media/ef33ce7c-2cd8-40c8-95b9-624eae1e213f/keys2.png)

If I'm right this is 1st album mastered from lossy source.


..more snapshots:

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3883/tbyzeo.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/a/img834/3883/tbyzeo.png) (http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1707/yx1pkb.th.png) (http://imageshack.us/a/img62/1707/yx1pkb.png)
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: lvqcl on 2012-11-28 20:02:55
The lowpass at ~20.5 kHz doesn't necessarily mean that this track was lossily compressed.
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: greynol on 2012-11-28 20:04:56
I don't see anything in those spectral graphs to conclude with any degree of certainty whatsoever that the album was mastered from a lossy source.

Regarding whether this is the first album mastered from a lossy source, there have been reports in the past.
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: Anakunda on 2012-11-28 20:05:57
I don't get however why the hard cutoff. Never seen that on CD audio.
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: greynol on 2012-11-28 20:07:52
I've seen it plenty.  There is no issue here.
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: Anakunda on 2012-11-28 20:15:54
I don't see any good reason for doing this on lossless audio format. Curious what's the point of doing this when the space requirements are exactly same.
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: DVDdoug on 2012-11-28 20:54:11
As you may know, low-pass filtering is a required part of digitizing (to prevent alaising).    And, there are other reasons for filtering during the recording/production process.    It's fairly common practice to filter-out the lower frequencies from everything except the bass and kick drum, and to completely filter-out subsonic frequencies.  I assume some producers/engineers also like to filter-out supersonic frequencies. 

There are no perfect  filters so there are trade-offs in filter design.  No one can say why a particular filter was used, or why the filter was designed a certain way.    The recording/mastering engineer may not know anything about the filters in his ADC or downsampler...  He just knows it sounds good or that it has a good reputation.
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: C.R.Helmrich on 2012-11-28 22:04:32
I don't get however why the hard cutoff. Never seen that on CD audio.

Check any CD from the 80s. I don't recall any which does not have this 20-kHz lowpass.

Which in the 80s was due to a conservative lowpass during A/D conversion. In Alicia's album I'd guess it's because they used some analog processing during mixing or mastering (and then some conservative A/D converter for some reason). What scares me are the lines going to 22 kHz. This is solid gold digital waveform clipping.

Chris
Title: Alicia Keys: did the era of lossy mastering just begin?
Post by: soundping on 2012-11-29 00:09:02
What scares me are the lines going to 22 kHz. This is solid gold digital waveform clipping.

I've found clipping on Third (Portishead album). It's obvious and shocking.