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General Audio / Re: Strange frequency spike near 18kHz in song
Last post by Chibisteven -
That's certainly plausible, but again, it's how high this frequency is what seemed odd to me. It's in the range of frequencies where a middle-aged person probably wouldn't even be able to hear it, so it seems odd to me that a musical choice would be made involving frequencies that are barely audible or not audible at all to a significant part of the population.

One of my neighbors couldn't understand a high pitched vocalist on the radio but her daughter could and this singer was in her early twenties and the daughter was in her preteens.  The vocalist is one of the biggest names in the type of music she produces and has even been in a few T-Mobile commercials, the last couple of years.

The vast majority of people just listen to their music to enjoy it and don't even think about looking at the spectrogram.  Because someone is unable to hear certain high-pitched sounds because of their age doesn't mean that can't enjoy it.  If the music is produced by someone that is young, then it's likely that they weren't even aware or cared if some middle age person could hear all of it or not.

I tend to think of music as one's (or a group's) auditory art and crafts.
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CUETools / Re: Is Cuetools 2.1.7 working?
Last post by ssjkakaroto -
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This new forum area is where you are supposed to post.
See MOVED: CUETools versions 1.9.5 through 2.1.5 (current)
That should probably be the last post of the sticky thread then.

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CUETools 2.1.7 is in early development and requires new prerequisites, http://cue.tools/wiki/CUETools_Download#Version_2.1.7_Prerequisites. Make sure you have them installed.
This is what is installed in my system:
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Name                                                                                 Version       
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 Multi-Targeting Pack                                  4.5.50932    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.2 Multi-Targeting Pack (ENU)                            4.5.51209    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 SDK                                                   4.6.01055    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5 Multi-Targeting Pack                                    4.5.50710    
Microsoft .NET Core 1.1.0 - SDK 1.0.0 Preview 2.1-003177 (x64)                       4.0.3177     
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 Multi-Targeting Pack (ENU)                            4.5.50932    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 RC Multi-Targeting Pack for Windows Store Apps        4.5.21005    
Microsoft .NET Core 1.0.1 - SDK 1.0.0 Preview 2-003131 (x64)                         4.0.3131     
Microsoft .NET Core 1.1.0 - Runtime (x64)                                            1.1.0        
Microsoft .NET Core 5.0 SDK                                                          1.0.23902    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.2 SDK                                                   4.6.01590    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 RC Multi-Targeting Pack for Windows Store Apps (ENU)  4.5.21005    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6 SDK                                                     4.6.00081    
Microsoft .NET Core 1.1.0 - Host FX Resolver (x64)                                   4.16.1179    
Microsoft .NET Version Manager (x64) 1.0.0-rc1                                       1.0.11123.0  
Microsoft .NET Core 1.0.1 - Runtime (x64)                                            1.0.1        
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6 Targeting Pack                                          4.6.00081    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4 Multi-Targeting Pack                                      4.0.30319    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.2 Multi-Targeting Pack                                  4.5.51651    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 Targeting Pack                                        4.6.01055    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6 Targeting Pack (ENU)                                    4.6.00127    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.2 Targeting Pack                                        4.6.01590    
Microsoft .NET Core Tools 2015 - Visual Studio 2015                                  14.1.21111.0 
Microsoft .NET Core 1.1.0 - Host (x64)                                               4.16.1179    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5.1 SDK                                                   4.5.51641    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.2 Targeting Pack (ENU)                                  4.6.01590    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.7.2                                                       4.7.03062    
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.6.1 Targeting Pack (ENU)                                  4.6.01055    
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Microsoft Visual C++ Compiler Package for Python 2.7                                                            9.0.1.30729     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3 Performance Debugger Web Views                                            14.0.25420     
Microsoft VisualStudio JavaScript Language Service                                                              14.0.25527     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Performance Collection Tools                                                       14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Performance Collection Tools - ENU                                                 14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio Community 2015                                                                          14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio Team Foundation Server 2015 Update 3 CTP1 Office Integration Language Pack (x64) - ENU  14.98.25331    
Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 x64 Debug Runtime - 14.0.24215                                                        14.0.24215     
Microsoft VisualStudio JavaScript Project System                                                                14.0.25527     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2010  x64 Redistributable - 10.0.40219                                                     10.0.40219     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3 Diagnostic Tools - ENU                                                    14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2017 x86 Additional Runtime - 14.15.26626                                                  14.15.26626    
Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable (x64)                                                                 8.0.61186      
Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 x86 Minimum Runtime - 12.0.40664                                                      12.0.40664     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 SDK - ENU                                                                          14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2010  x86 Redistributable - 10.0.40219                                                     10.0.40219     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Windows Diagnostic Tools - ENU                                                     14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Devenv                                                                             14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio Team Foundation Server 2015 Update 3 CTP1 Storyboarding (x64)                           14.98.25331    
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 XAML Visual Diagnostics                                                            14.0.25431     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3 Diagnostic Tools - x86                                                    14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 XAML Visual Diagnostics - ENU                                                      14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 x64 Minimum Runtime - 12.0.40664                                                      12.0.40664     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Shell (Minimum)                                                                    14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 XAML Designer                                                                      14.0.25431     
Microsoft Visual Studio Connected Services                                                                      14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual Studio Community 2015 - ENU                                                                    14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Shell (Minimum) Resources                                                          14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable - x64 9.0.30729.7523                                                  9.0.30729.7523 
Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable - x86 9.0.30729.7523                                                  9.0.30729.7523 
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Diagnostic Tools - amd64                                                           14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio Team Foundation Server 2015 Update 3 CTP1 Office Integration (x64)                      14.98.25331    
Microsoft Visual C++ 2012 x64 Additional Runtime - 11.0.61135                                                   11.0.61135     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2017 x86 Minimum Runtime - 14.15.26626                                                     14.15.26626    
Microsoft Visual C++ 2017 x64 Minimum Runtime - 14.15.26626                                                     14.15.26626    
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Preparation                                                                        14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2017 x64 Additional Runtime - 14.15.26626                                                  14.15.26626    
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Windows Diagnostic Tools                                                           14.0.25431     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Devenv Resources                                                                   14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Preparation                                                                        14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio Services Hub                                                                            1.0.25420.01   
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Preparation                                                                        14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3 Diagnostic Tools - amd64                                                  14.0.25431     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 XAML Application Timeline                                                          14.0.25431     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 VsGraphics Helper Dependencies                                                     14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 x64 Additional Runtime - 12.0.40664                                                   12.0.40664     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3 Diagnostic Tools - x86                                                    14.0.25431     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 XAML Designer - ENU                                                                14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Tools for Office Runtime (x64)                                                     10.0.60833     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2012 x86 Additional Runtime - 11.0.61135                                                   11.0.61135     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2005 Redistributable                                                                       8.0.61187      
Microsoft Visual C++ 2012 x64 Minimum Runtime - 11.0.61135                                                      11.0.61135     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Shell (Minimum) Interop Assemblies                                                 14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3 Diagnostic Tools - amd64                                                  14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 XAML Application Timeline - ENU                                                    14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2013 x86 Additional Runtime - 12.0.40664                                                   12.0.40664     
Microsoft Visual Basic/C++ Runtime (x86)                                                                        1.1.0          
Microsoft Visual C++ 2012 x86 Minimum Runtime - 11.0.61135                                                      11.0.61135     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3 Diagnostic Tools - x86                                                    14.0.25420     
Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 x86 Debug Runtime - 14.0.24215                                                        14.0.24215     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Update 3.1 Team Explorer Language Pack - ENU                                       14.102.25619   
Microsoft Visual Studio Team Foundation Server 2015 Update 3 CTP1 Storyboarding Language Pack (x64) - ENU       14.98.25331    
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Test Tools Language Pack - ENU                                                     14.0.23107     
Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 Profiling Tools                                                                    14.0.25123     
And according to this post:
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VC++ 2017 runtimes are binary compatible with VC++ 2015 and cover both VS 2015/2017 applications
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also Read First: a few posting guidelines.
Which program version? 2.1.7
Which tool were you using? Cuetools
What specifically were you trying to do? Convert a single .wav+.cue to multiple .flac+cue
What settings did you use? Encode (default), Mode (Tracks), Audio Output (Lossless, flac, flake)
What output format? Flac
Which encoder did you try? Flake
What were the encoder settings? -%M - -o %O -p %P
What did you expect to happen? For the single wav to be converted to multiple flac files
What happened instead? Encoder exited with error 1
Windows version: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_ldr.170707-0600)

Let me know if you need more info.

PS: I did install VC 2015 just to make sure, and the problem continued.
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General Audio / Re: Strange frequency spike near 18kHz in song
Last post by blurry_light -
I'm familiar with synthesizers, it could been how someone decided to bend a certain sample, either by the person that produced the soundfont or synthesizer used in the song or by someone tweaking the parameters of the said synthesizer in question and decided they liked how it sounded?  Producing music with synthesizers is different than recording instruments through a microphone.

That's certainly plausible, but again, it's how high this frequency is what seemed odd to me. It's in the range of frequencies where a middle-aged person probably wouldn't even be able to hear it, so it seems odd to me that a musical choice would be made involving frequencies that are barely audible or not audible at all to a significant part of the population.
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Scientific Discussion / Re: Help me understand why sound is one dimensional
Last post by Ed Seedhouse -
If a person has a picture of what they expect the sound field to be -- and then uses a singular real data point, aren't they really sustituting 'fake' (not necessarily invalid) effective data points for real ones? 
The more data points the better which, as I recall, is kind of why we moved from mono to stereo back in the 1950's. 

But please note that your ears have only two data points, yet you are able to hear a three dimensional sound field.  If two ears can do it, why can't two microphones?

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General Audio / Re: Strange frequency spike near 18kHz in song
Last post by Chibisteven -
I'm familiar with synthesizers, it could been how someone decided to bend a certain sample, either by the person that produced the soundfont or synthesizer used in the song or by someone tweaking the parameters of the said synthesizer in question and decided they liked how it sounded?  Producing music with synthesizers is different than recording instruments through a microphone.
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Support - (fb2k) / Re: 1.4b17 Field ITUNESCOMPILATION causes unexpected behavior
Last post by smkk -
Thanks for the reply. I see the point, but what initially caused my confusion was the opposite case. The album artist was set correctly (empty, since single artist album) but the files mistakenly had the iTunes compilation setting. Thus a bunch of albums wrongly got set to VA. The whole behavior is based on the assumption that (a) the compilation field is correct and (b) that you know about the connection of these two fields.

In any case, it's probably a pretty rare scenario and noone else seems to be bothered by this, plus I know what to look for next time.

Cheers
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Off-Topic / Re: Just doing my part: Trump is an idiot
Last post by fuflo -
I don't follow politics very much, but during these moments i take it as an exercise for my own mind.

Remember when everyone was hating bush, and he was reelected for second term? yep.

I guess the majority or people voted for him. This just strengthens my point that the majority of people are idiots. Not just the US, but globally.

When you look at other countries/regions, the people put in charge, sometimes it boggles the mind same as with US.

But then there's the other side. What if, just what if trump is testing the system for what he can get away with? Sure, you can call him an idiot, but he's a successful business man, so he did something right, at least in the past. 'Right' being debatable and another topic in and of itself, the shady business practices, capitalism and all. Still. He is considered successful in the current state of our world.

So he must not be a complete idiot. Maybe for him it's just a game. He achieved the highest possible position in the country, possibly the world, with the US military power.

Or maybe it's just me overthinking it.
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General Audio / Re: Strange frequency spike near 18kHz in song
Last post by blurry_light -
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Sonic Mania's FLAC soundtrack
I don't know what that is, but it's "artificial music" (digital/electronic/synthesizer) right?

That would seem to be the case for most of the album, yes. There's some songs here and there where a real electric guitar is seemingly used, but not this track; most of the album seems to use synths/VSTs. I would upload a 30-second sample but the wording of TOS9 makes me wonder if I'm only allowed to do so for the purpose of codec testing, and not for the purposes of this specific thread (which isn't codec testing, but so that you can see if it's "artificial music" or not).

Does it sound OK?

It's not continuous so it's probably not noise or interference.     I'd guess it's a (artificial) high-hat or some other intentional percussive sound on the beat. 

It does indeed sound OK, like, there's doesn't seem to be anything unnatural or distorted; it all sounds musical. And you're right about it not being continuous, most notably at the end when the track ends and the synths begin to fade out. This is coincidentally also when the percussion stops playing, so it being a hi-hat makes sense — but what hi-hat is concentrated close to 18kHz, even if artificial? I mean, most people over the age of 30 can't even hear that.

I guess if I can upload 30-second sample, it may help diagnose what exactly this thing is. If I can, let me know which segment of the track would prove most useful: the ending 30 seconds, or the first 30 seconds.
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Scientific Discussion / Re: Help me understand why sound is one dimensional
Last post by jsdyson -
IMHO the 1D point of view don't conceptualize the reality because all audio measurements are performed by people who have the sound field in mind.


If a person has a picture of what they expect the sound field to be -- and then uses a singular real data point, aren't they really sustituting 'fake' (not necessarily invalid) effective data points for real ones?  No matter what you are imagining, there has to be some kind of framework -- and in space, there are normally 3 dimensions.  One can abstractly create more dimensions for some kind of analysis purpose, but in reality there are three dimensions in space.   Adding more dimensions isn't just describing space, but rather some kind of hyperspace (no scifi here.)

John
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