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Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #350 –
Ivan you bad boy.

is there o way to encode some tags inside te mp4 file.
just liek with nero.

tracn number & total track number
Artist
Album
title

would be perfect
Sven Bent - Denmark

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #351 –
I think Nero is right in not exposing too many features. They have a name to hold up high and on the long run too many switches with unknown and probably negative effects can only hurt them. I thinks such things belong in a beta-test.

Furthermore, I, as a user, do not want to be thinking about lowpass, PNS and whatever kind of switches there are. I do not even want to know what they are and I expect the encoder to make such decisions by itself. This is after all a consumer product, not an experimental encoder. If with the help of switches better quality can be achieved than the encoders defaults in a large amount of cases, the defaults are poorly chosen and Nero devs are not doing their job right.

The only things I, as a user, do want to have a saying in are filesize (bitrate) and compatibility because these things directly affect the usability of the product for me.
"We cannot win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win."

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #352 –
I just tried out this on a Windows machine. Very pleased with what I have heard so far.

Man I wish there was better audio support on OS X for all of this cool stuff. Only negative about being on a Mac.
iTunes 10 - Mac OS X 10.6
256kbps AAC VBR
iPhone 4 32GB

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #353 –
This topic got so long so fast that it's pretty much unusable.
I hope somebody creates a Wiki of what's important to users.
Anyway, congrats to Ivan, Garf, Menno and the rest of the Nero people involved.
My one request is better ability to control size of HE-AAC output; q 0.225 seemed fairly close to 48kbps nominal, but averages have been at 54 kbps in some of my trials.
For musicphones storage room will be a constraint for a couple more years, so the HE-AAC size should be more closely constrained than LC-AAC.

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #354 –
Quote from: user on
AAC: What I've read here, you can encode aac music, but you cannot be sure, that every aac compliant hardware device can play it ?


Every AAC compliant device can play the files, however, a pure LC AAC decoder will decode a HE AAC file, but only the LC AAC part of the file. So you will get degraded quality, compared to decoding with a HE AAC decoder. For devices/decoders like that it is better to create LC AAC files instead of wasting bits (and decreasing bandwidth a lot) by using HE AAC.
Same sort of story applies for HE AACv2.

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #355 –
Can it be configured with EAC to create .m4a files directly when extracting tracks fom audio cd?
Open Source is the only source!

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #356 –
Could Ivan or Garf please tell us how to embed album art into the encodes?

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #357 –
Currently with Foobar - but command line tagging will come very soon.

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #358 –
Quote from: Ivan Dimkovic on
Currently with Foobar - but command line tagging will come very soon.


I just checked the site and you guys at Nero have updated it with a PDF manual, which is quite welcome.

Would it be possible, though, to provide a Linux i386 binary? If necessary, you could, perhaps, create the encoder as staticly linked, to avoid having problems with libraries shipped with the diversity of distributions.

Thanks, Rogério Brito.

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #360 –
Ivan, thanks for all your teams work and giving this out for free.

My only suggestion is that if possible, support ALAC with the same enc/dec -- while we know it's an Apple format, it would be pretty kickass you have to admit. Hopefully licencing doesnt get in the way of that potential road.

-Joe

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #361 –
Sorry if this has alrready be answered.
I just quickly passed by the 16 pages but didn't find an answer.

i can't playback the mp4 files in winamp.

first i tried with my original 5.12 with some mp3 plugin form audiocoding

i deleted it and reinstaledl a fresh copy of winamp v5.21 lite
got i new mp3 plugin from rareware.org (still from audiocoding but maybe newer)

but i still get the same errors:

"maximum numbers  og scalefactor bands exceeded"
"Gain control not yet implanted"
"Pulse coding not allowed in sjort blocks"
"Scalefactor out of range"
"quantised valie out of range"

i used the folloowing command line in CDex

-br %3 -2pass -if %1 -of %2

%1 = input filename
%2 = output filename
%3 = bit rate in bits/sec      
      
and i have not modified the file in anyway since the extraction


-- Edit --
has sombody teste if these .mp4 files work on a ipod?

I got some from the psytel encoder, that my ipods just skips by whenever it tries to play them.
Playback is fine in winamp though.
Sven Bent - Denmark

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #362 –
UPDATE

i triede getting the full winamp 5.21 with nullsoft's own mp4 pugin.
Didn't help
Still no playback, but now there is no error msg.

-- edit --

Found te bug. is has nothing to due with the encoder.
If i extract the .wav and run the commandline myself, the files playbacks perfectly.
Sven Bent - Denmark

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #363 –
Quote from: sven_Bent on
i can't playback the mp4 files in winamp.

i deleted it and reinstaledl a fresh copy of winamp v5.21 lite
got i new mp3 plugin from rareware.org (still from audiocoding but maybe newer)

but i still get the same errors:

"maximum numbers  og scalefactor bands exceeded"
"Gain control not yet implanted"
"Pulse coding not allowed in sjort blocks"
"Scalefactor out of range"
"quantised valie out of range"

i used the following command line in CDex

-br %3 -2pass -if %1 -of %2

%1 = input filename
%2 = output filename
%3 = bit rate in bits/sec



The only thing that I'm thinking it might be is the %3, seeing how the nero encoder passes the -br parameter as bits per second, so 128 kbps would be -br 128000 .  You could be getting encodes that are at .128 kbps (128 bits per second), and winamp is puking.  Do the files play in foobar2000 or any other player?

My nero aac standalone encoded files play fine in winamp.

Oh, and getting a new mp3 plugin from rarewares shouldn't matter at all; this is aac / mp4 / m4a, not mp3.

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #364 –
Quote from: Erukian on
Ivan, thanks for all your teams work and giving this out for free.

My only suggestion is that if possible, support ALAC with the same enc/dec -- while we know it's an Apple format, it would be pretty kickass you have to admit. Hopefully licencing doesnt get in the way of that potential road.

-Joe


ALAC
  • is completely proprietary
  • is completely non-standard
  • is non-free
  • is very badly supported in general
  • has inferior performance and features compared to other formats which ARE completely free, non-proprietary and well-supported
Each one of those would be enough to switch to something else. There is exactly ZERO chance that we will ever support it in any way (not that we even could, because as I already stated, it's proprietary). Please, take a look at FLAC or Wavpack and leave alone the horrible abomination that is ALAC.

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #365 –
Quote from: sven_Bent on
Found te bug. is has nothing to due with the encoder.
If i extract the .wav and run the commandline myself, the files playbacks perfectly.

What version of CDex did you use?

I tried 1.60 from rarewares with different bitrates but couldn't get Winamp to barf.
 

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #366 –
If that is of any help,  our PNS and IS powered modes at 64 and 80 kbps are done, and they have been sent to tuning process

So expect maximum squeeze of LC-AAC for those bit-rates in the next couple of weeks

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #368 –
if this off topic let me know.


but i remember distinctly the lowpass in 16kbps hev2 being just under 15khz, what happened to this to make it a pitiful 10khz? they both sound pretty good for the bitrate, but i much prefer the higher frequency of the older nero.

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #369 –
Quote from: Ivan Dimkovic on
Currently with Foobar - but command line tagging will come very soon.
Great news! Thanks for the superb work! Can't wait for it.
WavPack 5.7.0 -b384hx6cmv / qaac64 2.80 -V 100

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #370 –
Quote from: Ivan Dimkovic on
If that is of any help,  our PNS and IS powered modes at 64 and 80 kbps are done, and they have been sent to tuning process

So expect maximum squeeze of LC-AAC for those bit-rates in the next couple of weeks

Awesome, thanks!  This is really appreciated 
Copy Restriction, Annulment, & Protection = C.R.A.P. -Supacon

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #371 –
Quote from: Ivan Dimkovic on
Currently with Foobar - but command line tagging will come very soon.

one question, maybe allready asked, why is it that it does nothing and then it suddenly finishes? would be better to see a sinning simbol, or something. or at least one:

"Working, please wait ..."

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #372 –
Any help with the album art? I want to encode all my FLAC files for my shiney new iPod!

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #373 –
Our very own "optimus" (Stanley Huang in Shanghai), whose home in HydrogenAudio has been http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index....topic=36870&hl= , has released a new version of his Media Coder, 0.3.9, with built-in support for this Nero encoder. View the changelog and click for a Sourceforge download mirror from http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/changelogfullpack.htm .
I think Stanley deserves his own MediaCoder home here in HA.
Ver 0.3.9 works beautifully for me; output is *.m4a.  The program places just the neroEncAac.exe file in its default codecs folder, but you can copy over from the Nero download the neroEncAac_sse2.exe and point to that file in "File>Settings" -- if that works with your CPU.
Thanks, Stanley!

Nero Releases FREE Reference Quality MPEG-4 Audio Encoder

Reply #374 –
Quote from: kwanbis on
Quote from: Ivan Dimkovic on

Currently with Foobar - but command line tagging will come very soon.

one question, maybe allready asked, why is it that it does nothing and then it suddenly finishes? would be better to see a sinning simbol, or something. or at least one:

"Working, please wait ..."


I already added a nice progress display a few days ago