Somebody with html skills please make a decent page for WavPack!
WavPack is great but that page is VQF worth.
Somebody with html skills please make a decent page for WavPack!
WavPack is great but that page is VQF worth.
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I've been trying to come up with something loosely based on rjamorim.com's home page.
I've been trying to come up with something loosely based on rjamorim.com's home page.
Ah, there is a God after all...
I nearly barfed when I first saw the latest Wavpack page, but didn't have the heart to say anything. (Sorry David...) I considered having a crack at it myself, but I just don't have the free time to give Wavpack 4.0 the attention it deserves at the moment, either in a listening test sense or other forms of assistance.
I'd rather David focus on the important stuff anyway.
Den.
Somebody with html skills please make a decent page for WavPack!
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Well, how complicated do you want? If you just get rid of the Paint graphics (no offense) and slap a menu on it, [a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack]it looks a lot better[/url].
Somebody with html skills please make a decent page for WavPack!
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Well, how complicated do you want? If you just get rid of the Paint graphics (no offense) and slap a menu on it, [a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack]it looks a lot better[/url].
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Well, that's a bit too simple imo. And WavPack still needs a proper logo. The current one looks like "Made by kids on crack"TM.
No offense really, I just want the page to reflect the quality of the codec.
How about now? (http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack) Slightly based off of the FLAC site... It still needs a proper logo, agreed, and I'm sure anyone has better taste in colors than me... So definitely let me know what can be done to improve it.
Here's a logo-example I made - it's still a quick thought
(http://www.spezifish.de.vu/wavpack_example.jpg)
Nice! Maybe try some variations with some other fonts. Though that one is not very common, which is good.
Wow! I really appreciate your unblinking honesty, guys....
I am going to be busy until next week with an 80th birthday party we're throwing for my mom, but I have no objection to an updated web page. Ariakis, I really like your page design (although I guess a design compliment coming from me doesn't say much)!
sPeziFisH, I really like your logo also, but I much prefer something close to what I originally did (even if the colors need to go). The idea is that it has to be something that looks okay very small and monochrome on the side of a DVD player box or the front panel of a car stereo.
My idea was to have the letters packed into the logo, get it? Here are some logos that I consider effective:
Here is my proposal for a monochrome logo.
As I don't have the time ATM, here are just some further quick layouts I did.
I like the font 'Airbus special' a lot (though there are a lot of nice fonts).
I don't like the layouts that much, but maybe someone is inspired by this quick & dirty designs - the wave is a bit to complicated and maybe it would look better if the wave would not be part of the text (but inside the box). Or to use a open box a wave comes in (e.g. outlined).
See you
(http://www.spezifish.de.vu/wavpack.png)
(http://www.spezifish.de.vu/wavpack_2.png)
I like the one of Roberto.
Here is my proposal for a monochrome logo.
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Nice logo!!
A couple of suggestions.
Current layout: can you make W and P bigger, or more emphasized?
Slight variation: same layout, but with W and V emphasized (WaVpack): WV would recall the file format extension.
Here is the second version, with a W and P a little more emphasized:
(http://www.rarewares.org/rja/logo2.png)
IMO, it didn't look good with W and P bigger, so I used more bold.
Nice logo, I'd like to see that one on my DVD-Player
You could also make a version without the "av" and "ack" and make it square. That would really be a nice icon Both versions could be official.
I like the first one of Roberto, it's simple but really nice. The C-wave is also a good idea , emphasing both the audio and dynamism of real waves, I can almost hear the sea when I lookat this logo.
But putting them together into one logo may be tricky. So Roberto's one could be the way to go.
How about now? (http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack) Slightly based off of the FLAC site... It still needs a proper logo, agreed, and I'm sure anyone has better taste in colors than me... So definitely let me know what can be done to improve it.
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Some minor thoughts:
I think the text in "files" shouldn't be centered as there is no fixpoint when browsing the files.
The colours are not too good to read. e.g. I can not differ bold from standard text easily. could be "less dark" overall
More contrast would be helpful. don't use as much "gray on black" (bad, old tft-monitor is a drawback here).
Leave a bit more space between the header and the about box.
Thanks for your efforts so far
Regards; ilikedirt
You could also make a version without the "av" and "ack" and make it square. That would really be a nice icon Both versions could be official.
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Good idea!
(http://www.rarewares.org/rja/icon.png)
I had to put the P higher up the W to make the box more squarish.
I like this last one
I like this last one
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Thanks
Good idea!
(http://www.rarewares.org/rja/icon.png)
I had to put the P higher up the W to make the box more squarish.
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Great design, but it needs a splash of color. The all-black looks kind of dark and dull. It needs some contrast.
Great design, but it needs a splash of color. The all-black looks kind of dark and dull. It needs some contrast.
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Thanks.
Well, this was my design for a monochrome logo that can be engraved or silk-screened in the front of a DVD player.
Feel free to take the PNGs and adapt them to your idea
In case someone is wondering, I used the font "Trebuchet MS" at 150 points. The box outside is just a square with the stroke effect set to 13 points.
(img)
Good idea!
I had to put the P higher up the W to make the box more squarish.
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It reminds me of some other logo... Which had the W (or was it V...?) and P merged (last bar of W = first bar of P)... I can't recall where from though...
Monochrome logos are best because you can make all kinds of stuff with them. Put them on white in black, or on black in white or use colour instead of the black and put a colour inside, etc...
Roberto, could you mail me the font you used ? I'd like to make a Flash version, to scale it nicely. (that's what I did with the Matroska logo)
looking good.
i like the WP one.
one possible change (very slight). it would look better if the P were skewed more so it took the same angle as the last stroke on the W. seeing as these letters are joined, they should share the same angle too, or there's an unnatural corner that can be distracting.
of course, if the P is unnaturally slanted then don't worry
(btw, i don't like the "dbx" logo at all.)
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lol! i found the Atari font on my machine. i'm so making a logo with this
Some minor thoughts:
I think the text in "files" shouldn't be centered as there is no fixpoint when browsing the files.
The colours are not too good to read. e.g. I can not differ bold from standard text easily. could be "less dark" overall
More contrast would be helpful. don't use as much "gray on black" (bad, old tft-monitor is a drawback here).
Leave a bit more space between the header and the about box.
Thanks for your efforts so far
Regards; ilikedirt
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Okie, I fixed the "Files" table and added more space, but I'm about to have to head out for the day, so I'll have to work on the colors more later tonight.
If anyone has suggestions on colors, please let me know. I've always been one oriented for dark colors... would something resembling the [a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack]dignified pale blue of our beautiful IPB[/url] work, for example?
Thanks for the comments, and keep 'em coming.
If anyone has suggestions on colors, please let me know. I've always been one oriented for dark colors... would something resembling the dignified pale blue of our beautiful IPB (http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack) work, for example?
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I like it!
Okie, I fixed the "Files" table and added more space, but I'm about to have to head out for the day, so I'll have to work on the colors more later tonight.
If anyone has suggestions on colors, please let me know. I've always been one oriented for dark colors... would something resembling the dignified pale blue of our beautiful IPB (http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack) work, for example?
Thanks for the comments, and keep 'em coming.
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Really like it
I see you're working on it... I wouldn't put the text italic and bolt together, just bolt should do it IMHO.
Maybe you could seperate the "files" in subtopics; like main files, 3rd-party tools, sources.
Regards; ilikedirt
I wouldn't put the text italic and bolt together, just bolt should do it IMHO.
Maybe you could seperate the "files" in subtopics; like main files, 3rd-party tools, sources.
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Both taken care of. Any other suggestions?
Monochrome logos are best because you can make all kinds of stuff with them. Put them on white in black, or on black in white or use colour instead of the black and put a colour inside, etc...
I agree.
Roberto, could you mail me the font you used ? I'd like to make a Flash version, to scale it nicely. (that's what I did with the Matroska logo)
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Just sent it
A vector illustration (CGM, WMF) of the logo would also rock. Unfortunately, my Illustrator skills are a little too rusty, and I don't even have it installed anymore.
Okie, I fixed the "Files" table and added more space, but I'm about to have to head out for the day, so I'll have to work on the colors more later tonight.
If anyone has suggestions on colors, please let me know. I've always been one oriented for dark colors... would something resembling the [a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack]dignified pale blue of our beautiful IPB[/url] work, for example?
Thanks for the comments, and keep 'em coming.
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I agree, they look great.
I won't work on the page I was making anymore. Ariakis' is loking better, and it adheres to the standards (I am somewhat of a slouch about validation)
I made a few variants of Roberto's design in CorelDraw, so I can supply them in vector formats.
An overview can be seen here:
http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogos.png (http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogos.png)
The big logo is nice, but maybe it's an idea to use WV in the small/square logo. Afterall it's the official extension, and when put together in the right way it will look like a sine wave.
Just some thoughts.
My photoshopping skills suck, but something like this:
(http://digitalx.org/dump/wv.gif)
I like Roberto's logos (the second large one, and the square one for DVD players ), they're simple, but effective, especially the square one - it's good that the P's vertical bar forms a line with the W's. Being monochrome, it can be used anywhere, I could imagine it looking very nice adopted to the colours used on Ariakis' site.
Roberto: Perhaps you could try making a square one with the P replaced with a V? Since we want to emphasize "WV" rather than "WP".
Edit: My idea of a perfect logo would be a "WV" version of Roberto's square logo, with WAVPACK or something like that written next to it, just like the HDCD logo.
Here are some alternatives using the letters W and V:
http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogos2.png (http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogos2.png)
They're available in a vector format if necessary.
Here are some alternatives using the letters W and V:
http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogos2.png (http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogos2.png)
They're available in a vector format if necessary.
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i like the last one in the upper row (one the right side) very much.
i think it's better when the letters are not connected between themself and to the surrounding line, it's easier and faster to read.
my try:
(http://somestuff.org/images/galleries/wavpack/wavpack_flatten.png)
bw full:
(http://somestuff.org/images/galleries/wavpack/wavpack_full.png)
'mini' (experiment):
(http://somestuff.org/images/galleries/wavpack/mini_experiment.png)
(this are all 32 bit png files, and they wont show correctly with IE.)
and the last try for today:
(http://somestuff.org/images/galleries/wavpack/more_tests.png)
Hey guys, thanks for all the submissions! I really like a lot of them, and I also received some by e-mail including these nice ones:
)
Ariakas, I really appreciate what you've done so far, and I think the HA colors are fine (unless Dibrom objects because it might suggest some kind of endorsement by HA). The only things I noticed that should go in there are the link to the old pages and some credit for yourself. Thanks again.
I think the HA colors are fine
afaik there is no such thing, the colors are invision-board ©.
Here's my proposal for the logo.
The sine curve forms a W while the black/white design represents the hybrid abilities of WP.
(http://www.frozenbytes.de/web/images/wavpack3.jpg)
Transparent version:
(http://www.frozenbytes.de/web/images/wavpack-transp.gif)
That last one is quite cool.
Something with Wipeout-like fonts is always sweet!
I like High Fidelity's LOGO too. the others are weird.
I like smok3's logos.
The only things I noticed that should go in there are the link to the old pages and some credit for yourself. Thanks again.
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Alright, it's been [a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack]updated[/url] as requested.
I also decreased the font size 1 point, and made the site aligned/sized to fit very well in all browsers down to 800x600 resolution. This is, in my opinion, better that just setting the width to 75% of the viewport, but if you have objections just let me know and I'll change it back.
As soon as you approve, Bryant, I'll make all the links relative to the wavpack.com domain and send ya a zip. Thanks for all the suggestions too, everyone. If there are any problems, just lemme know.
I also decreased the font size 1 point, and made the site aligned/sized to fit very well in all browsers down to 800x600 resolution. This is, in my opinion, better that just setting the width to 75% of the viewport, but if you have objections just let me know and I'll change it back.
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Hi Arakis, I think the font got a bit too tiny. I think it discourages a bit from reading long pasages like about text and harms the quick impression of the text.
Regards; ilikedirt
Hi Arakis, I think the font got a bit too tiny. I think it discourages a bit from reading long pasages like about text and harms the quick impression of the text.
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Okie, I increased it back to 9pt, but it makes the Files table really squished. I then increased the width of the site to 760px from 720px, but it'll still hopefully fit on most 800x600 displays.
Okay, I'm happy with the page as it looks now. I appreciate all the of the sample logos (and I have kept them ), but I think that for right now we should go with Roberto's second one (full words, but with the bolded W and P) because it's simple and will look good very small. I'm not much of a graphics guru (as some may have guessed), so how do we reduce it to about 1/3 and get it on the page (in color)?
I made a vector version of Roberto's logo (it's not completely identical, but it's pretty close):
http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.cdr (http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.cdr)
http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.cgm (http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.cgm)
http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.emf (http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.emf)
This way you can resize and color it any way you'd like (using a vector drawing program if you have it, or otherwise ask for something specific and I or someone else will be able make the necessary changes).
A PNG preview is available here:
http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.png (http://home.hccnet.nl/th.v.d.gronde/wavpacklogo.png)
That logo is a bit too simple IMO (actually I'm using the word "simple" as another expression for "ugly" ). I think smok3's logos are by far the best.
I suggest we start a poll and vote for the best one.
And please, please, don't give ANY decision power over the design/colors etc. to bryant! I respect the man so much, but I saw he updated his page again, and I'm really not sure if he isn't on crack. He must be colorblind at least, for sure...
2nd try (before i read that it is allready decided, was fun anyway ):
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and a vector version of them all (240k):
http://somestuff.org/images/galleries/wavp...wavpack_all.pdf (http://somestuff.org/images/galleries/wavpack/wavpack_all.pdf)
(editable pdf)
edit:
and the flash version (just for quick resizing tests - note: this is not to be used for production, use pdf instead):
http://somestuff.org/tmp/wavpack_flash.htm (http://somestuff.org/tmp/wavpack_flash.htm)
I strongly like the fourth from the top in smok3's post above mine. The right one of the small logos are pretty nice too.
Wow smok3, the fourth logo is really really good! I like it better than anything else that has been suggested so far, it's so much more stylish.
The small icons at the bottom are a nice start as well, but I think the W and the P are too close to each other to remain distinguishable at significantly lower resolutions.. this could use some more work, but it's still head and shoulders above everything else so far
Good job :thumbsup
W and the P are too close to each other to remain distinguishable at significantly lower resolutions
you could be right. (i did add a flash version just for resizing tests).
ok, i put 'kids on crack' out of its misery. it's not on par with stuff in this thread, but not bad for 10 minutes in paint.
i'm trying to get him to leave it until the real change happens.
the ideas in this thread are great and i look forward to seeing something actually up on the site.
-greg (david's brother)
ok, i put 'kids on crack' out of its misery. it's not on par with stuff in this thread, but not bad for 10 minutes in paint.
i'm trying to get him to leave it until the real change happens.
the ideas in this thread are great and i look forward to seeing something actually up on the site.
-greg (david's brother)
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Getting better
When will the "real change" happen? Any time soon? I expect wavpack to have a decent dynamic (php?) page... you know... A News section, a download section, a docs section, aswell as one of the impressive logos created by HA.org members
Maybe you could have a look at [a href="http://phpnuke.org/]PHP-Nuke[/url] or PostNuke (http://www.postnuke.com/index.php?module=Navigation) for your content management system, if you don't know php.
Keep up the good work!
I have added smok3's logo to the page to see how it would look like. Just a quick try to get things moving again .
http://burrrn.net/TehBukkake/WavPack1.htm (http://burrrn.net/TehBukkake/WavPack1.htm)
http://burrrn.net/TehBukkake/WavPack2.htm (http://burrrn.net/TehBukkake/WavPack2.htm)
On my system the fine print in smaller versions of smok3's logos is unreadable, especially the version with shadows as used on the website.
On the website I recommend putting links first and the longer description after.
In FireFox the underlining of the topmost links (next to the logo) looks broken and is inconsistent.
rjamorim: a small but simple black and white logo is a good idea, I like the first one
Try replacing the header table with this:
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" id="mainHeader" width="100%">
<tr>
<td align="left">
<a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack/#About">About</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack/#Features">Features</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack/#Software">Software</a></td>
<td align="center">
<img border="0" src="Images/02.gif" /></td>
<td align="right">
<a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack/#Files">Files</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack/#Archive">Archive</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://ariakis.cjb.net/wavpack/#Contact">Contact</a></td>
</tr>
</table>
To get the original formatting of the links back, add these two lines to the style sheet (this can be done differently btw, you could try changing the 'a' into a '*' and moving the font-size into that entry for example):
table#mainHeader { font-size: 9pt; }
table#mainHeader a { color: rgb(255,255,255); }
These changes will make this part of the site more conformant with XHTML and much more readable and maintable (unless you like messing with lots of font and span tags, checking whether they're nested correctly, etc.), not to mention smaller.
Also, I'd suggest doing yourself a favour by not using FrontPage. (X)HTML isn't very difficult to learn and creating a page by hand can save you a lot of trouble (=time).
There are some nice editors out there, that generate reasonable code, will leave your code alone if they can and provide a convenient way to access the underlying (X)HTML, but I haven't used one in years so I don't know what is recommended these days. Something like Emacs or anything else that has syntax highlighting will probably also work fine (depending on how easy you find it to work with the raw (X)HTML).
You may also like to run your page through a validator once in a while, especially if you want to use XHTML (it would mostly be a matter of properly closing tags to make it compliant, as far as I can see, as well as changing the DOCTYPE of course).
It's funny the page has "XHTML 1.0" in the bottom, but claims itself it's HTML 4.01 and isn't even close to pass the validation tests for that ;-)
On my system the fine print in smaller versions of smok3's logos is unreadable, especially the version with shadows as used on the website.
true, the 1st version is better, but still the text is a bit smallish, also i would position a logo on the left side. anyway, if the logo will be actually used - a note to myself: fix that damn borken P.
After a lot of delay, I came up with an updated page for WavPack, based mostly on Ariakis' code and design.
I'd like to invite people around here to comment and give suggestions for improvements.
http://www.rarewares.org/rja/wavpack/index.html (http://www.rarewares.org/rja/wavpack/index.html)
I'll get David to upload it to wavpack.com once it's finished.
It's funny the page has "XHTML 1.0" in the bottom, but claims itself it's HTML 4.01 and isn't even close to pass the validation tests for that ;-)
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fixed
There are some nice editors out there, that generate reasonable code, will leave your code alone if they can and provide a convenient way to access the underlying (X)HTML, but I haven't used one in years so I don't know what is recommended these days.
I personally use Allaire Home Site 4.5, and I love it. No wysiwyg, of course. Pure text coding.
Looks good and clean. One thing, it doesn't center in smaller browser windows (800x600) although it should fit (width: 760px).
To center page through css:
- Don't set left and right margins in body
- IE: body { text-align: center; }
- FF: .container { margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; }
I'd like to invite people around here to comment and give suggestions for improvements.
read some basic stuff on how to use fonts, how to use colors and about color theory, about layouts (ok, that should be enough for few months.), alternatively you could produce a simple, nodesign page - something like foobar without any aditional ui's.
p.s. what iam saying, if coding or audio is your main hobby or profesion, you better forget about design.
edit: oh, btw, it is not decent to just rip off someones color setup.
Looks good and clean. One thing, it doesn't center in smaller browser windows (800x600) although it should fit (width: 760px).
To center page through css:
- Don't set left and right margins in body
- IE: body { text-align: center; }
- FF: .container { margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; }
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Thank you very much for your advice, I'll fix that.
I'd like to invite people around here to comment and give suggestions for improvements.
read some basic stuff on how to use fonts, how to use colors and about color theory, about layouts (ok, that should be enough for few months.), alternatively you could produce a simple, nodesign page - something like foobar without any aditional ui's.
p.s. what iam saying, if coding or audio is your main hobby or profesion, you better forget about design.
I agree, but that doesn't mean that audio-related pages must look bland
edit: oh, btw, it is not decent to just rip off someones color setup.
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Well, I'm hopeless at picking up matching colours, so if you or someone else have a suggestion for another color scheme, please mention it here.
I'm hopeless at picking up matching colours
i use this lil js app a lot lately, but you will still need to understand the basis of color theory to actually use it:
http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html (http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html)
God, it's been months and there isn't a single one capable person to revamp the page?
Roberto's version is allright but that logo is still as ugly as rpop in a bikini...
Roberto's version is allright but that logo is still as ugly as rpop in a bikini...
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Why don't YOU provide an awesome logo then, instead of distributing criticism as if it was going out of fashion, sir?
And you must have some weird tastes. I have never seen rpop on bikini, and I pray to God I never will... :B
Creating logos is not my field of expertise, so I don't try to mess with things I'm not good at. Besides, smok3 already provided some kickass logos...
Is there any news on whether a new site is going to happen? The current site could really use an overhaul and Roberto's layout is a lot better.
And for the fun of it I threw together a logo. Here's a png of it(original is svg):
(http://img62.exs.cx/img62/5403/wavpacklogofin6du.png) (http://www.imageshack.us)