So, the "tag" is mostly meant for use with the ipod only?
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topdown: i would propose to create a new page for the tag-standards topic in the wiki. The amount of info including explanations and example-code will just become too big to place it on the frontpage.

Better just have a link on the frontpage with a small description below it why this may be interesting for users and devs.

Also, it may make sense to rename "accepted tag-standards" to "recommended tag-standards", because as it is, it may sound as if this means that foobar itself supports no other tag-formats.
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@zurman:

Conductor and Performer are used by many people who listen to classical music. Thats not to say that i propose this scheme here - just something i noticed  On the other hand, you can always go the safe-route and put it into the comment-field
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@topdown:
Well, when i would read "Practiced Tag Standards" in the wiki as a newbie, i wouldn't have the slightest clue what this could be - could it be some kind of cult or religion? ;-)

first post updated with last_played
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@topdownjimmy: I agree with Lyx. And IMHO, "Encouraged Tag Standards" was quite good. But, "Practiced" is no worse than "HAK" and "Wiki" 
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[span style='font-size:13pt;line-height:100%']ALBUM ARTIST[/span]
Basics:
- the tag-fieldname used for declaring and describing albums/split-EPs or split-singles which contain various artists is "ALBUM ARTIST" (seperated with space, not underscore)
- tag should only exist if an album contains various artists. It should NOT be created when an album does not contain various artists.
- the tag can contain the overall artist of an album(like i.e. "the foo-bar collective"), multiple artists(i.e. with split-EPs) or if an album does not have a clear overall artist (for example with compilations) just "Various Artists". Simply said: you're free to enter whatever you like as long as it describes the overall album-wide artist(s).
- every track in a V.A.-album has to contain this tag with the same value
- the track-specific artist should be entered into the ARTIST-tag
- the TITLE-tag should only contain the track-title

Reasons for agreeing on this scheme:
- it solves all issues regarding albums which contain multiple artists with just one tag
- it is already in widespread use
- sortable and searchable with low effort
- keeping the ARTIST-tag trackspecific allows to find tracks in V.A.-albums as well when searching for a certain artist (DB-friendly)
- keeping the TITLE-tag title-specific allows sorting and searching of V.A.-albums by title (DB-friendly)
- allows meaningful determination and display of V.A.-Albums with a minimum amount of code
- avoids resource-hungry and unsafe "guessing" of V.A.-albums via the filepath
- easy to remember and type in manually
- does not disrupt existing systems when the ARTIST- and TITLE-tag are already trackspecific (easy transition)
- can coexist with additional directory-based sorting and marking
- can be used for split-EPs and split-singles as well

<Masstagger-scripts here>

Code snippets:

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// check if an album is V.A.
$if(%album artist%,$puts(album_is_va,1))

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// For sorting by artist in an album-context replace %artist% - %album% with:
$if2(%album artist%,%artist%) - %album%

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// singlemode display without %album artist%-support
[%artist% - ][%album% - ][%title%]

// singlemode display with %album artist%-support
// note: if your display supports both, albummode and singlemode, then you
// may want to use the above version instead in singlemode - depends on taste
[$if2(%album artist%,%artist%) - ][%album% - ]$if(%album artist%,[%artist% - ])[%title%]

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// How to easily integrate %album artist% into an albummode-display:

// in the albummode-column, replace %artist% with:
$if2(%album artist%,[%artist%])

// in the title-column, replace %title% with:
$if(%album artist%,[%artist% - ])[%title%]

Opinions?
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- remove the possibility to enter a custom format

- call the modified plugin "play_count_extended"

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- remove the possibility to enter a custom format

By this statement, do you mean not allowing a user to change the tag name or the tag format?

Either way, I think both options should still be supported, but with a caveat emptor kind of statement included.

Firstly (if you mean tag format), the encouraged LAST_PLAYED tag format offers the possibility for users to append additional information to the standard format if they so desire. Removing the custom option prevents this possibility.

Secondly, IMO, unless both the tag name and format of LAST_PLAYED are as standard as the ReplayGain format, it would be better to allow users the option to customise. After all, much of foobar2000 is about its customisability isn't it?

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- call the modified plugin "play_count_extended"

This is probably up to tboehrer or the person who is going to compile the source to decide, but perhaps the plugin should be called foo_playstats (or something similar)? After all, with the possible addition of FIRST_PLAYED, the plugin does not just count the number of times a song has been played.

But you do realize, that the fact that it was customizable and used a non-internationally-neutral format by default, was the reason that we had to create a new standard in the first place?

Thats right - and if this would be a completely new and unique plugin then i would agree - but what you're leaving out of your quotation is that the purpose of this plugin is to replace the play_count plugin - and that building on the popularity of the play_count plugin causes attention to exactly those users which we want for adoption. Thus, users who search for the play_count plugin will directly also find this plugin.

Besides, doesn't the word "extended" express that it is an extended version of the play_count plugin(which is exactly what would be the case if FIRST_PLAYED would be added to it)?

I do not disagree with the proposal to have a non-ambigious format by default. However, my main concern about the lack of customisability is how it might potentially render the component unusable in future. A perfect example exists now. With this new encouraged tag name and format, a user can immediately comply by changing the formatting his/herself, instead of waiting for someone to re-compile the component. While this is an encouraged format now, it may not be in future.

Furthermore, by setting the default to the non-ambigious format and having a statement to explain why it is in this particular format will probably deter users from changing it unless he/she has personal reasons to.

Perhaps the best option would be for tboehrer to update his component. Casual users of the component would then most probably upgrade when they know a new version exists.

We have a cause and effect problem here. The fact that it was customizable in that regard was the cause that customization became necessary for public use :-)

Another thing: guess why its now possible for everyone who knows C to change the plugin? Oh, and - from what i have heard a few days ago from a post by peter, it does not seem unprobable at all that a large amount of all current fb2-plugins may become unusable in the next fb2k-version - but again, thats no problem - because they're open-source.

Possible solution to make everyone happy:

Have two modes for the playcount plugin in the preferences:
[radioknob] Use new LAST_PLAYED and FIRST_PLAYED tag-standard (recommended)
<no options here>

[radioknob] Use old custom-settings method (may not be supported by public formattings and plugins)
<previous options with play_count and play_date being the default-fields>
- Lyx

edit: s**t, i forgot to make a screenshot, lol.

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